Jo Berry and Pat Magee 'Building Bridges' Interview by Iain McNay. 

What a lovely person Jo Berry is. She does honour to her father.

Jo Berry. I think many people could take a leaf from your book.......I grew up in west Belfast in the 70’s/80’s & can totally relate to Pats way of thinking. I lost two first cousins to the troubles in 1989.

What remarkably brave and similarly insightful people they both are.

Deep bow to Jo Berry and Pat Magee. 34:43 Stunning and profound. This line holds so much. Jo's insights about forgiveness v empathy / understanding--beautiful. Thank you for this magnificent interview, conscioustv.

This is one of the most beautiful things I have witnessed in my entire life.

Thanks Iain for this interview....very sensitively conducted..and thanks to the two participants.It was hard not to shed a tear while watching this interview.

Heard her among callers to James O'Brien, had to look up about the situation afterwards cause could not believe it. Very inspiring.

what blows my mind about all this is how the two parties are portrayed in any discussion. this one seems more fair, but if you look this pair up it's always "how she learned to forgive her father's killer." the mindset of the conqueror is the default; we took this, we own it now, how dare you stand up to us? so the people that stand against ridiculous odds to try to defend themselves, they're the killers, the brutes, the mob. she had to be taught real empathy that she couldn't read in some guru's book with a bomb. that bomb gave her father's legacy tangible meaning and gave her a journey to walk on through which she gained knowledge. the IRA had been feeding their lives to some greater awareness of Ireland's struggle for lifetimes at that point; was his life so much more important that it shouldn't serve the same purpose? this is the logical tipping point of a world that sees it perfectly reasonable for a privileged few to rule over the many with no concern or thought to the population involved. a few people in the cabinet could decide tomorrow to pull England out of Ireland. but for money, and pride, and whatever other silly justifications they concoct, they stay. if more IRAs existed, so called leaders would behave very differently.

Very important. It may create difference of opinion, but important.

So inspiring, thank you so much for for this!

Why present such an enlightened talk in the dark. Turn on the light 🕯️☮️

The transcript of this interview is available to view here. www.conscious.tv/text/104.htm

I think Jo led a very sheltered life and had much time to dwell on herself by travels to India etc. Calling herself a spiritual person. Most people are very busy working and making a living. As far as Patrick is concerned he should have faced the death penalty. These type of people are nauseating.

While I do respect the work that this pair do, I think it was wrong of Jo to bring Pat to the House of Commons for the memorial of the Brighton Bomb.

Wonderful! This video is so inspiring... I wish people who don't speak English could watch it with captions!

I remember patchily about this. They certainly found the achilles heel a security net had been placed around the hotel so it was assumed the bomb must have been planted weeks earlier. Too Little Wisdom Kills.

I remember patchily about this. They certainly found the achilles heel a security net had been placed around the hotel so it was assumed the bomb must have been planted weeks earlier. Too Little Wisdom Kills.

Pat magee mate you need to go to confession mate asap

Forgiveness is weak!

Fair play to both Jo and Pat. Extremely hard for her to sit with the man who ended her fathers life, equally as difficult for Pat to witness and listen to the hurt it caused. People write off those who participated in the conflict in the North (on every side) as murderers, thugs, terrorists, instead of actually trying to understand what it was like for people like Pat growing up in a war zone and living under systemic oppression and daily degradation of his people. Violence should always be the last resort but unfortunately it was the only option after peaceful civil rights marches were beaten off the street, alongside the programs of 1969 which were facilitated by the police force who were meant to protect its citizens. In saying that I find it hard to feel any sympathy for those who served in thatchers cabinet during that time, aiding the British War machine and being complicit in the atrocities carried out under orders from the very highest positions in the British government though i do have sympathy for Jo, an innocent woman who's life was torn apart as a result of a conflict she knew nothing about