Joan Rivers in Conversation With Henry Bushkin About the Dark Side of Johnny Carson 

Hearing that about Joan, makes my heart sing. Thank you.💯🙏

Nice to hear about Joan ☺️

​@@NikiBechusWTFshe was the absolute best.

Amazing. Where and how can we see more of you.

Thank you for sharing ❤

I’m not sure why there was a fallout between Carson & Rivers because it seemed like Carson expected Rivers to not advance and or try other things in her career unless of course there were other things involved. He set others up for life by allowing them to appear on his show so what did he expect from Rivers? Carson himself advanced in his career as does any other is able to so why shouldn’t Rivers?

Good show

@@revrotunda3206 he was mad at her for having her own talk show

@@stephenedgecock No, he wasn't. He was mad for her going behind his back and running against him. He had every right to be pissed. Joan Rivers was a cunt, that's why she didn't do jack after because she had screwed over too many people.

@@stephenedgecockon a competing station

That ended in 98 permanently.

Trump 2024

We were proud of him. He was our guy. - Thanks for sharing.

Very well put and I entirely agree with you.

Candies up his nose

i think he wanted to be alone in the end

J xx

Truth Pazuzu

Thank Michael obama

I agree. Not only was she funny, but amazingly brilliant and Truthful! Rip Joan !

King of All Buttocks You are the looser buttocks!!!

The adventures of Letterman. Lol!

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@@annmariesantorelli2332 Right? Joan was the first one to tell us Michelle Obama had a penis

@@larryvanbarriger6670 Really? That's what got? Yeah for you I guess?

Joan got offed for exposing big Mike one half of the homosexual Obama team.

She didnt pass away she was murdered

She was killed. Didn't just pass away.

He asked Sally field for a date on a certain day. She couldn't make it on that exact evening but suggested another day. I suppose he took it as a no and never had her on the show again. When Joanne phlug (pflug?) Appeared on his show ( he had her on several times) she credited her life and success to Jesus Christ. There was complete silence on the show. There was an uncomfortable vibe probably even from religious people in the audience. Joanne never appeared on the show again. I believe he had a hatred for religious people and believed them to be stupid. Perhaps that's why he would have athiest Carl Sagan on all the time. His son impregnated a black woman who considered herself a Christian. The little girl is the spitting image of Carson's son who looks just like Carson. Johnny went out of his way to make sure that little girl would never be acknowledged. Sinatra's son did the same. That child was not acknowledged but when Sinatra Jr impregnated the housekeeper he included the child in his will. Carson's sons were all irresponsible which is why Carson's sisters son ( his nephew) runs his production company. I consider Joan Rivers to be exceptionally talented but paid her secretaries poverty wages. I don't believe anything she says. She tried to steal Peter LaSalle from the tonight show who not only worked for Carson but was loyal to him although bushkin In this interview says the opposite Johnny's last wife wasn't a gold digger. She was highly educated with a career. She did place herself on the beach yards away from Johnny's home. Sort of like Marla maples a Baptist placing herself at Trump's church. Lastly I worked as an intern at NBC for the tonight show. I saw Mr Carson staring at me but never once said hello. Jay Leno would not only greet me but started conversations with me.

​@@danettewelborn5577lmao SAUCE ?

​@@christinanielsen1917wife beater Just like Steve McQueen

No one used to do that, it's a new thing. Divide and conquer

Sure he did. He always brought up politics. You just think so because you agreed with him. He was a big Reaganite even when he was a Governor (Blech!), a Nixon man (oh brother) and then stayed fairly quiet through Carter.

@@beachgirl48 Enjoy the Biden WW3

We will miss her forever. She was lovely.

@@denisepaulsenful - Lovely? Ugly as sin.

Speak for yourself. Joan Rivers was a bitter, jealous, angry woman, full of self-hatred and hatred of others. She can never get through an interview without cutting others down.

She was addicted to that cosmetic surgery, when you reach her age, it's just not wise to be put under anesthesia unless absolutely necessary.

@@Valkonnen She was addicted though, again, because she hated herself. Thought she wasn't good enough, pretty enough. Yet she trashed others for a living. Oh, the irony...

Sunny Magnuson did you star on an episode of Highway to Heaven with Michael Landon?

Omg youre so lucky

Lucky dog!

With her looks, how could she be picky? Anything you do would be an improvement.

@Spanish Ramon - You think Rivers is hot you are a sick individual.

Beautifully put! Yes we do!

She's dead

For what

No we don't. She was bitter, angry, and jealous of almost EVERYONE -- hence her put-downs. Plus, she could dish it out, but never take it. Good riddance.

​@@DDumbrille I don't want content comedians. I want a bitter one.

Wow!!! What a novel idea!!! The current talk shows should adopt this model...LoL

@@wardharrah55 🙄

Sandyman45 I know it’s sad and sadly these folks that are past will be forgotten by this generation that are just ridiculously stupid and they are college educated as well! Just sad!

We still have greats like Norm MacDonald. There's a few around.

Killed by the obamas

I still have Roseanne, Joan would have defended her for sure against the progressive cancel culture.

@@Ran-33 Rosanne, for sure. Norm stood up for her and that other male comedian that had the masterbating fetish. He stood up for both of them and Hollyweird just about cancelled him just for not condemning them and talking about them like they were real people who lost everything and could maybe comfort each other. But he'd already been blackballed and doesn't care about stuff enough to care, so he survived. He's a fairly decent guy considering the cesspool that Hollyweird is. So is Rosanne. Glad she's coming out of that far left mentalitiy.

There is a video on The Growing Awareness channel inferring it possible Joan faked her death. No opinion here but they have an older Joan on video.

Amen. Well said Lynn.

Starsbless

Killed for her jokes of truth.

They murdered her !

I never liked Joan very much as a comedian when I was young, but every interview I've seen her conduct has been brilliant. This one with Henry Bushkin is insightful, intelligent, and I learned some things about Johnny Carson that I didn't know before. All my teenage years and twenties and thirties were spent tuning in to The Tonight Show from time to time. My dad was a musician, getting his start in radio in the 1930's, and in Hollywood in the 1940's and 1950's. In 1997, we went to an industry luncheon honoring Freddie de Cordova and I briefly met him. Some of what Joan and Henry were saying took me back, i.e how shifting loyalties can turn on a dime and people are all of a sudden afraid to speak to you. These two people actually had something to talk about!

​@@lemorab1So true. She changed alot after Edgar passed. Left broke from his business practices and not on top anymore she went on QVC and clawed her way back. Her daughter was a good egg and by her moms side . Joan grew up so much and her comedy got better from it. 😊

@@lightmarker3146 In hindsight, I wish I had seen Joan Rivers, post-Carson breakup, in person. I did get to go to the Carson show once, in the audience at NBC in Burbank. I can't remember the year (early 1970's? Late '60's?) but I hope I thanked my parents' friends, Mary and Buzz Carlton, for getting us in. All I remember is that Carson looked and behaved as you would expect him to, assured and smoothly in control, and publisher Michael Korda was a guest. I had read magazine articles written by him, and had an image of someone distinguished looking. Then, this blonde, young guy, about 5'2" tall, looking about 12 years old, comes bouncing out from the wings. I find myself wondering what Joan would say.

Very well put!

What a kind thing to say!

Absolutely. Letterman's lack of this gallant trait, and willingness to make his guests look bad or stupid, in selfish attempts to make himself appear more witty & to get more cheap laughs kept Letterman from reaching the heights that Carson reached as a talk show host. Imo

@@TrungNguyen-zj1rz Letterman never did anything like that. His guests were allowed to show whatever talent and good qualities they had. You seem to be thinking of Howard Stern.

M. M. , Hahahahaha

I believe that is why she is dead...she knew too much!

K Earl I love this comment so much

@@jeannehageman3198 LOL !!! If only she had known not to have plastic surgery over and over.

@@Bigbadwhitecracker 😲😂

25:27 - And she's got a great staff. But like you say, they need a lead as good as she is for them to shine. When I saw the guy in the background nodding his head with that look on his face it made me think of other shows where everyone has a mic and a simple line like that becomes some "unforgettable knee slapper." But they keep the spotlight on her, pass her notes and let her do her job. Plus it's obvious she's read the book.

Joan Rivers was Johnny's guest host until she left The Tonight Show in 1986 to star in her own late night talk show at a new network called Fox. Leno replaced her. Johnny never spoke to her again.

I AM SURPRISED! HER TONGUE IS SO SHARP I THOUGHT SHE WOULD RUN PEOPLE OVER; SHE IS A REAL LISTENER

Shame Carson was a jerk. Joan was great though. Very professional as always.

Joan was .. not is

I had to stop and think why your comment struck me...then I remembered it was probably the only time I saw my parents enjoy each others company.

jaim haas my parents fought all the time when we were little it’s got pretty bad even at Christmas 😔

thats weird i thought the same feeling

Not me. Of course, I'm Danny Torrance.

@@RicardoAGuitar from The Shinning !

Johnny Carson had a pattern..he had self protection ..he projected onto anyone he perceived to betray him...slights... Spiritually..he had bitterness of soul.. he had not received Love of his Mother ( or Father ?) As a child or adult.. He reacted to others imaged slights by projecting HIS Distorted View onto people he chose to dislike instead of seeking love he neede...all carried from his childhood. He did not forgive Neglect He received caused his deep inner issue... .took the form Of " I'll fix you" Attitudes He saw all offenders as his Mother ...held a grudge against her all life? The root of his problem was rejection experienced as a child ...he chose his job for the adulation He received from the audience...affirmation he constantly wanted..so he liked always being at work..reportedly Rejection left Johnny with brokenness..a broken heart only Jesus Christ could fill up that place in the soul and heal 💔All else is emptiness; without Jesus we go through life with our baggage ..Jesus knows all about our brokenness Longs for us to come to Him All else is emptiness... Call on.Jesus today..while today is today. Time is short.. God loves you.. John 3:16 KJV 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

Sounds like Johnny could've and should've benefitted from mental health counseling, maybe to the point of being hospitalized.

And she has a great face for radio.

And he's probably burning in Hell.

Did you know him? That's very sad. Wow

Leave his atheism out of it.

she's alive! walkin' around, in disguise, haha!

Absolutely!

I remember my mom laughing late at night at Jinny Carson. I’d get up and watch by my bedroom door. Mom would catch me, “Get back to bed!” 😂😂😂 this was ‘her time’ no kids, just laughter and peace quiet.

Lmao, so movie stars aren't stars anymore? Nothing changed. You just got older, and more negative and cunty.

Whenever he was Tarnak or whatever he called himself when he wore that damn genie hat always made me laugh as a kid. Definitely will never ever be another Johnny Carson

When I spent the night with my granny she would let me stay up and watch Johnny Carson with her, now I'm 64 years old and I'm so glad she did cause I was hooked and watched him till he retired, I would ask all people to what all the reruns, it will1 give you pleasure and alot of insight into today's world with his monologues

Same. It was gripping. It was almost 11 hours audio book. But i couldn't stop listening!

You can buy the Carson DVD sets so you can play them at your nursing home and not even need youtube

I agree....he was brilliant. He could say things with his facial expressions where words would never convey the same things.

@@Teeveepicksures - that is good to know and will pass that along by landline...

Stuck in the 70s.

YES and YER Mike Fromberlin ~~ I'm whit you on that one!! 7/23/2019

He could talk to an old lady with potato chips that looks like celebrity like she was the only one in "room".

Until she turned into a backstabbing prick - and Carson fixed her ass good when she did by telling any potential guests that if they landed on her show forget about ever coming to mine again.

@@justafanintexas7913 She had him on her show often in the early 60s. They were great friends, but I think she thought he was to give his show over to her. RIP Joan!

@@EagleArrow - What are you taking about? She had no show in the early 60's and Carson seldom appeared on other shows.

@@justafanintexas7913 Yes she did! Research it. I watched them myself in previous years on Jewish network as it was interesting to see what topics they talked about then. It was based in NYC. Johnny was on her show a few times and smoked most of the show. It was probably a local NYC show.

Rie Rie 7 - You're talking about the 1966, short-lived, local "That Show"? She got that as a result of her appearances on Carson's show and Ed Sullivan. Carson was her first guest and only appeared on it once. 1966 is not early 60's.

mine too only thing I say about dying is i hope i get to have fun with her lol

Letterman came the closest

@@pellajoe Agree, and Conan gave it a good run as well. Leno was a watch, but nothing special. In the new generation of talk hosts it's all Hollyweird sanctioned politics with Kimmel pandering and crying on cue for his overlords. Fallen Tries too hard and gushes like a childish fan boy over everyone which is off-putting to me, however at least he's not insufferable like all the others

All the late night guys are nasty and political. Jimmy Fallon isn’t quite so bad, he just likes to have fun. He was interviewing Trump and they were having a good time and the other night guys gave him so much flak he had to toe the line from then on.

Agree completely... Johnny was just very unique guy

@@iamthatguy1169 Fallen is hard to watch you think you are with a kid.

Exactly..he was an equal opportunity satirist, did not matter the party or person. His wit could cut, yet it was subtle and never directed as personally mean spirited.

He was more interested in ratings than in Americas future.

He was a Republican but wasn't a biased hater like Colbert, Kimmel and the rest of the lefty bots.

@@kindnessfirst9670 It wasn't his place to dictate Americas future. He was a true entertainer unlike those rats who weaponize thier platform for the left. He voted faithfully and donated to the party of his choice.

@@soniag4516 Republicans back then were nothing like the ones today. Nixon, for example, was a social liberal (whatever his views in private). Colbert and Kimmel are geniuses, I don't think anyone's ever called them haters with justification.

And the jeroff there now is beating a dead horse.

Yes

No, they say he got drunk and nasty like many do. He was insecure, although you wouldn't know it on the air. Mean sometimes, so they say, but definitely good at his JOB! I always enjoyed him, I didn't care what he did off air.

@@MJLeger-yj1ww YES very good at job.

even consuming human flesh?

Who you saw on TV was not the real Carson. The real Carson was a cheater and player and darn near an alcoholic and a vicious drunk. People only want to believe what they see on TV.

There’s always a difference between the Man vs. his talent in most cases. There are some entertainers/musicians that seem to be balanced all the way around where nothing bad is really ever reported about them.

Carson is on another level, but Conan is a brilliant comedian.

right on

I miss Letterman.

I used to watch Johnny every night he was on. I haven't watched any of the late night talk shows since Leno was fired.

i dont like arrogance and each late night host have a ton of it

HE WAS A USA MARINE! JOHNNY WAS A WIMP IN COMPARISON IN THAT REGARD; ED HAD HONOR, VALOR AND INTEGRITY!

This is a very nice comment and also sounds pretty accurate.

it's really too bad she took a gamble on her own show. it's tough to make it going up against JC. if she'd waited, she may have had it made. but some say NBC didn't care what Johnny thought about who replaced him.why should they? they made him a multi-millionaire who took Mondays off.so, Joan gave it a shot. but why didn't someone else give her a try? she claimed she was blackballed from ALL late night TV.

I had no idea he and Johnny ,in the early days, would close down bars after taping. til' I saw 'American Masters'.

Semper fi, Mr. McMahon.

+lighthouse44 You are right, Sir! There's no question that Johnny Carson had problems coming out of his relationship with his mother. Would it have been better if he had overcome those problems? Of course. An amazing thing about the man, though, was how many lives he touched for thirty years. How do you calculate that, and might we agree (or not agree) that so much good that he did might far outdo the bad he did? For example, how many depressive nights, for how many people, did he turn into enjoyable evenings, simply because of his ability to make people feel good? Another amazing thing is that even though he apparently had trouble with close relationships, he was able to function on a vast public stage. In "It's a Wonderful Life," Jimmy Stewart is told that because of his insurance policy he is worth more dead than alive, so he tries to kill himself. If Johnny Carson knew that he was better for people on stage than in personal relationships, who am I to say that he was wrong in his choice to be more personable on stage than in private?

What was the problem with his mother?

ok.

lighthouse44 not true letterman and early Conan were brilliant and so was Jay.. Guess it depends want era?

Letterman was quick and Conan too. Still Johnny was something extra IMO. Jay....NO!

I read the book too. He got basic things wrong: his birthday and death date. It was bizarre.

Her jokes gave you chokes..

tydelwave Classy? That's a stretch

I don't think you know what the word classy means. She was funny though.

She's trash compared to the person they're talking about in the video. Get a clue.

talenta

@@KaneRobot JC was nothing compared to Joan

Not really a meaningful anecdote. "Rich guy tipped well"

@@Onigirliyoud be suprised how many rich guys dont

Silenced? Who supposedly silenced her?

lol365 amen

She is alive. Out if sight.

Same here🌹💔

RIP

lol365 she’s. Still alive YT Joan rivers alive

The era of that kind of talk show that Carson made a success has probably gone. Society has changed so much - Bushkin puts his finger on it when he says choice is so diverse now and Carson probably couldn't exist today.

Johnny joked about the politicians of his day, but he stayed away from outright cruelty. In fact, when one pol he joked about turned out to be an alcoholic, Johnny backed off from him. The furthest he ever went was joking about Wayne Newton, back when he and Newton were both trying to buy a casino. Johnny found out too late that the bank he partnered with was backed by La Cosa Nostra, and backed out, but took out his frustrations on Wayne, who by all accounts is a pretty decent guy. Wayne walked into NBC Burbank, into Johnny’s office, told Freddy De Kordava to leave, and told Johnny he was to cut out the gay wisecracks or he’d punch him out. Problem solved! Comes the 21st century, and we saw Colbert run off to Russia to cavort around gleefully in a hotel room where the President supposedly paid hookers to perform disgusting acts, yet not one word of contrition when it was exposed as an outright fraud paid for by the other candidate. Too bad the President couldn’t just walk into the Ed Sullivan Theater in NY and dangle Colbert out the window by his ankles. 😄

You look like Dennis Rader .

@@th8257 Well said, TH. I think this would be a tough environment for all of the generalist broadcasting stars. Carson, Dick Clark, Larry King, etc.

a mess as a human? like you know

You cRaZy.

Lovely , she was a racist and like Don Rickels made her money disrespecting people, ANYONE can do that , THAT is NOT talent !

Can you define the word racist?

@Bill Wilson - How funny was she when she backstabbed Carson? Of course, he got his revenge by virtually drying up the talent pool to go on her show and then get waxed off of his if they went on her show.

. "Backstabbed" Carson ??? She tried to parlay her success, by launching her own show, hoping to take her career to the 'next level', as most show biz people REGULARLY do, once they've started building a career, and begin having some success. People don't look to stay where they are in life.....especially in their careers. Do You?? They are ALWAYS looking to better themselves, by moving up, whenever, and however they can do it... No......Johnny Carson, for some reason (Maybe, partly, because she was a woman? Would he have done this same thing, if Joan Rivers had happened to have been a man?), thought that since he helped her career immensely (which Joan Rivers has ALWAYS acknowledged!!), he "owned" her, and because she made the "mistake" (at least, in HIS eyes) of not asking him first what her next step should be, instead of just going out and getting a deal done for her new show (which, of course, is EXACTLY what she did), and THEN letting him know, he somehow saw this as a friendship-ending betrayal.... .

james crowe and v

He was a jerk. He was lucky that it wasn't a thug.

You have a taste for shit. You must respect disloyalty - a lot because Joan owned it.

@@justafanintexas7913 You may want to re-read his post. All you had to say was "Texas"...we get it.

@@UberLummox - I stand by my post and so do countless others. Rivers violated her agreement with Carson Productions - pure and simple and pissed away a great opportunity, that's why she's mad at everybody. She's also the same piece of shit that went around selling people on the idea that Michelle Obama is a man - real class by Joan. I live in Texas but not from here. Nice attempt at a snarky shot across the bow. Next time make sure there's water in the pool before you dive in head first, eh?

Joseph Von Sternberg, baby.

@@justafanintexas7913 If you believe Michelle Obama is a woman then you've got problems the size of TEXAS hun. Sorry not sorry!!!!

Al Wood It wasn't real. In real life, her refused to be a friend.

i do too it helps this me in this world no one ever or ever will make me laugh like her and just feel good she was a gift and the world sucks without her

He could've benefitted from psychiatric counseling. His mother apparently had issues as well.

He would be so pleased with this. It would have been what he wanted.

@@brookehanley3659 It's tragic that almost all his tapes from his show's first 10 years were destroyed. On the other hand, the shows that are available online and in reruns are just a fraction of what aired in the remaining 20 years of his show. There is a ton of material out there that should be made available on demand.

Thomas Murphy that’s the statement that did her in.

Thomas Murphy I very much agree

Agree.

@@b.gallina1769 BIG MIKE, PASS THAT ON, I STARTED THAT, ITS GONE CRAZY

Defiantly and if you search you see him,= Michael in his true image,

her face rejected her body.

Lol