Joan knew about MD but mentioned it in a interview by Bob Thomas. Conversations with Joan Crawford. She said she disciplined her children to show that life is about being on your own. And to prepare then for adulthood.
Re: B.D Hyman's comment at around 11.55, "I wrote the book to get my mother out of my life & away from my children" ... Come on what BS.!! She wrote the book to hurt her mother. B.D Hyman could have done what other daughters do (ie, not visit, don't call,etc). She wanted to take advantage of her mother's stardom & make money & hurt her in the process, which she did. Bette Davis had a stroke not long after the book was published.
I think of BD Hyman wanted to take advantage of her mother's money she would have befriended her before her death and be put in the will but that was not the case
From my understanding, Bette had a massive stroke and it didn't look like she would live, so BD pursued the book. Bette lived and that is where it got ugly.
@Letty Lynton You are wrong about the time frame of Bette Davis’ stroke. It happened years before her daughter began writing the book My Mother’s Keeper.
Remember: Gary Crosby later refuted his story and conceded multiple times (in private and during and on a sound tape interview) that he had lied in his book and that his father wasn't more strict than any other fathers of his time.
It was a cash grab attempt, Bing’s second wife Kathryn has talked about it in a couple of interviews. He consulted with her about it and why she wished he hadn't written it she understood why he did it. He needed the money.
@@shashaduke8700 ShaSha: a lot of folks feel that way. Christina had a legitimate reason for writing MOMMIE DEAREST whereas B.D. loved the money & sensationalism; her "abuse" from Bette was minor in comparison.
@@scotnick59 dam I never really looked at it from that side of it...you gotta realize I'm 50 so when this was originally aired I was in my early teens so it was like ' grown folks gossip' but now that I'm older I can gather a more informed opinion...ty for the reply☺️
@@scotnick59 maybe you could answer this for me I think BD was in the movie Whatever happened to baby Jane (as the neighbor girl) but why wasn't Christina given a part too?
Especially with the part where, Joan asked BD to give occurrences of Bette “destroying” her children. The only plausible thing she said/did is admitting that she is a Hollywood brat
Absolutely!! B.D. was/is a horrible person. You only have to watch this video to see what a vindictive, spoilt, immature attention-seeker she is. Looks like her kid is a chip off the old block.
It sounds so rehearsed and I don't get it, because her testimony (B.D Hyman) is so full of contradictions, but at the end of the day she came across as somebody that was spoiled rotten by Bette. Then when mom decided to withdraw all financial support as a consequence of family problems that had to do with her hubby (!) she jumps on the Mommie Dearest bandwagon. Not the most intelligent move on her part. It's just very sad when you're only claim to fame is to be the ungrateful movie star daughter that wrote a nasty tell all book on her mom for cash
Holy shih tzu ! I haven't started it yet, but I'm thanking you right away for posting this. I hope I can get through it. There's 1 woman on here that I absolutely cannot tolerate. Not gonna mention which, don't think I need to. Hint: the only person that could ever kill Bette Davis.
Jeeze BD is a vindictive angry egomaniac. I had an alcoholic father I know where her anger comes from. But......I never enjoyed talking about it like this. BD seems to enjoy regurgitating to the audience.
I believe all of them. If Gary Crosby recanted I think he was probably driven to do it; maybe he was vilified and unable to find work and had to recant just to survive. All four sons by Bing Crosby's first marriage became alcoholics. Two of them committed suicide. Something was really wrong in that family.
What I find discussing, is we hold our celebrities on a pedestal, and when someone contradicts what you perceive the Caleb to be, when the truth comes out they get all upset as if they need that person behind walls.
No wonder Bette Davis took a fire poker to her grandson! He is a brat even on this television show. By the way, she didn't burn him but it was made to sound like she did burn him on the show. The love of money is the root of all evil. None of these children appear today to have ever been abused. In fact they lived much better than most children in the World. These are as Faye Dunaway put it, "Children of plenty" and only God Almighty and the mother, father and child will know what really happened between the parent and the child.
Ahh B.D. Hyman (she's a manic one isn't she?) -- is it just me or does she seem extremely well-rehearsed in what she's saying here. Interesting when Joan Rivers asks Justin if he can remember his grandmother and she answers for him with, ''Oh yes he does -- vividly''. He then replies with, ''vividly'' to Rivers - then recounts all the horrors (that his mother may have imprinted on his 'memory' perhaps?) like he's reading off a prepared script -- then latches on to JR's comments as if they were his own. That poker story sounds a little contrived doesn't it (he certainly doesn't seem to have been affected by it -- mother and son find it funny). Strange that wasn't mentioned in either of Hymans' books (and doesn't appear to have been spoken of since). The first volume, we were told at first was, ''To get through to mother'', now it was so she'd go away. Wonder what the purpose of the sequel was -- Christian charity? No mention of Bette's satanic figure either (Christian B.D. later said she and Justin watched her transform into one - and then went to bed - the last time she wanted her family near Bette) Like I always suspected, she seems quite bitter that she wasn't in Miss Davis' will, and neither were her grandchildren (can't blame Bette at all -- and B.D. - if you wanted her to go away - you can't expect her cash darling). If only Bette had died when her daughter expected her to, there would have been none of this. Here, B.D. just comes across as a spoilt, immature little brat -- like her son. Still no mention here that Hyman's husband owed local people a lot of money and had to flee their home to the Bahamas as they couldn't pay people back (and never did). Still, the audience seemed to believe her -- her last five minutes of TV fame -- why not bring her son along I guess. Her inspiration was Christina, wonder if she gave B.D. some tips on how to continue to make money off the back of her dead mother after this show?
I may have a Maria Riva interview coming up about her relationship with her mother, Marlene Dietrich. I think these relationships between celebrities and their children can be very complicated at times.
I'm not sure what reputation you're referring to other than the ones they ruined themselves; Betty Davis and John Crawford. Betty Davis was known as Historionic and difficult, hard to deal with per her co-actresses ... how do you think she would treat her children seriously.
Certainly it's contrived. All they want to do is make money from the greatest movie stars of all time. Surely, there may have been problems. Who doesn't have them? These people make me puke!!
@@trishaustin4101 , BD says that her mother treated her like a queen. She loved her. You are wrong. Bette was correct about the grandson being gay. (He seems to be)
Better watch out Joan, as your daughter Melissa might write such a book about you! Shirley MacLaine's daughter has also written such a book about Shirley allowing her to be sexually abused and how her life was totally ignored by her mother. Thank goodness such books don't make much money any longer. The love of money is the root of all evil.
Without considering whatever motives drove these people to write their books, I believe Gary Crosby's story completely. Christina Crawford's account of her own life seems plausible in the face of corroboration from Natalie Schaeffer, Kirk Douglas, and Junsuspect.e Allyson, but I find everything said by B. D. Hyman to be suspect. She and her husband seemed to be financially dependent upon her mother, and that fact can color any relationship. Add the Hymans' religious beliefs, and you have a very complicated and judgmental personality.
Betty Davis was considered very difficult to deal with her personality spoke for itself even on camera when she was giving interviews, You think she treated BD Hyman any less than what she says? Pulease
Bette Davis was a well-known mean drunk. She despised her son in law and many people who worked for her over the years corroborated what BD'S wrote in her book.
I do believe Christina embellished a bit, and I vehemently believe that Joan Crawford knew Christina was in the process of writing a book, therefore she cut both Chris and Christina out of the Will. I have seen the interviews with Natalie Shaffer about the chocolates and June Allyson on Dick Calvert, so I totally am convinced Crawford was a violent alcoholic. But B.d,, she’s just a nasty bitch
@@trishaustin4101 could be . But from all accounts I’ve heard regarding B.d and Bette, all the first accounts I’ve heard through the years deflects B.d accounts and defends Bette. Now , B. D own children do not speak with her . Listening to this interview too, kinda makes me cringe with B.d quoting her own mother saying the word “ fag” to gain some Reaction to the audience , yet in B.d own ministries, she has no problem condemning homosexuals into ultimate hell .
My reply to a comment "Former caretakers, friends, employees, ex-boyfriends, people in public places where they made fools of themselves quite often (notoriously for Bette Davis), vouched for their horrible behaviors"
Very disappointing that Joan Rivers had Christina and BD on this show. She later made fun of both and said she hated their kind of book. She threw BDs book into a garbage can on UK TV, and when Reagan's daughter brought out her misery memoir, Joan likewise trashed it and said she could not stand privileged children of famous parents writing such rubbish. Christina and BD have changed and elaborated their stories so many times over the years - according to a much later revelation of Christina's, Joan Crawford actually murdered her husband Alfred Steele (l guess that had slipped her mind when she wrote the original book!) whilst BD says Bette Davis was a witch - literally! Untalented, unattractive daughters of famous, hugely talented mothers must have a lot to cope with, but cashing in by ruining the reputations of their parent is a disgusting thing to do.
Were you present in both households? Former caretakers, friends, employees, ex-boyfriends, people in public places where they made fools of themselves quite often (notoriously for Bette Davis), vouched for their behaviors.
I completely agree -- I was disappointed that Joan had Hyman on her show after making such a fuss of Bette when she came on her programme and stayed overtime for her. If she believed Hyman's son, I think she was very naive, he used her words like they were his own (''Grandma your nuts'') and that poker story was never mentioned in Hyman's book nor in her ''testimony'' video. I do not believe B.D. at all (I think her motivations have always been obvious), I think Christina may have told some truth, but exaggerated a great deal and as you say, the things she's said have only got worse as the years have gone by. Gary comes over as believable yes. I didn't know Joan threw BD's book into a garbage can on UK TV -- thanks for that.
Notice how BD says “vividly” and then the son says “vividly”. I’m sorry but they definitely had a huddle before this tv appearance and went over what they were going to discuss and the buzzwords to use. She clearly coached him to an extent and I bet made him dredge up disparate, foggy memories when Bette acted “suggestively violent” but accentuated that to beef up the allegations. It’s pretty obvious
Which craft?! She was one of the greatest actresses of all time...that was her craft. BD's craft is a fear based conservative christian pastor. Bette Davis was exceptional...BD is sadly common.
Why do family's of stars write books about their parents when there dead ,shame on them,no matter what is said I remember them for their acting,rest in peace to Joan,God bless you amen,🌹🌹🌹💖💖💖💖😘😘😘😘🌸🌈🙏🌹
Bette Davis's daughter is off center. I never believed Christina and still don't. 🎄 🎅 🎁 Cosby had his children ride in the trunk of the car? omg why did he put the boy on a diet?? 😥
I watched white xmas tonight one year ago today...I fell the next day and was bed bound..it was white christmas with bing..never again will I ever watch that film...bad omen
BD seems so dramatic. Her mother was one of the greatest actors of all time. No matter what the truth is, she should have kept her mouth shut. BD’s “story” always stuck me as a shitty cash grab.
@@LoganLavery In CHRISTINA'S "Mommie Dearest" she wrote of an incident whereby she ALLEGES Joan Crawford strangled her after she returned home from boarding school for summer vacation in June 1953. When Christina wrote of this allegation, she stated Joan had "a look in her eyes that will never be erased from my memory." After this ALLEGED altercation, Christina was sent immediately back to boarding school. Christina published "Mommie Dearest" in October 1978. Nearly simultaneously to her writing this FRAUDULENT memoir, Christina was court ordered to be questioned in an UNDER-OATH deposition by Joan Crawford's estate in February 1978. During her UNDER-OATH, court-ordered deposition, Christina is specifically questioned about this incident, to which she responded: "I don't know what you are referring to," and continues to evade the questions regarding this incident. In addition to Christina's complete, on the record, CONTRIDICTION of this event, the EYE-WITNESS to this event came forward in 1981 to confirm Christina LIED in her book. That EYE-WITNESS is Billie Greene, She was Joan's assistant at the time. Greene stated in her unpublished interview: "I believe I'm quoted as saying 'Stop, you'll kill her."...I can tell you that I've never seen any discipline towards Christina or the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night." (Greene's full interview is in-depth and REVEALING) **CREDIT to CHRISTINACRAWFORDLIED facebook.**
For all the people criticizing BD Hymen: You didn't grown up with a Narcissistic Mother!!! Its even harder when your mom is a well loved public figure and you know no one will believe you're being abused while growing up! Its VERY complicated. Especially if all your material needs are met.
Bing crosby's son died some years after this special! I read he also made a book about his father ( a kind of Daddy dearest!) but not had success at all
Remember: Gary Crosby later refuted his story and conceded multiple times (in private and during and on a sound tape interview) that he had lied in his book and that his father wasn't more strict than any other fathers of his time.
The first 3 editions of Christina's book were turned down as they were not full enough of "The Bad". It was only after the 4th book that Christina's book was officially published. As it was the first exploitation book to be written, Christina made the most money. This was especially so because of the movie. Such is now "old hat" and there is not enough money for such books. Sasha MacLaine has more recently written a book about the abuse she supposedly endured under her mother Shirley MacLaine. There is just not as much money in such books today, and therefore fewer are published.
Probably because nobody knows for certain whether they’re actually telling the truth or that they’re just a bunch of spoiled, entitled, ungrateful, vindictive Hollywood brats who are trying to capitalize on their famous parents names.
@@kcirtapelyk6060 You hit the nail on the head especially the statement "they’re just a bunch of spoiled, entitled, ungrateful, vindictive Hollywood brats"
Sasha MacLean lived with her dad in Japan so she could not have been abused by her mom, Shirley. Shirley wanted her daughter to do what her and her brother Warren Beatty did and that was to work hard and not use her for contacts and a leg up. These kids are so entitled and jerks.
@@24Wynn Sasha was left with Shirley's partner in Japan who sexually abused her on multiple occasions. In addition Shirley never attended Sasha's school graduations or showed much interest in her own daughter as she was too absorbed with her own career. A mistake many Actors make and why many refuse to have any children. The sexual abuse by Shirley's partner was psychological damaging for any child to endure, entitled or not. Sasha did not write in her book that Shirley sexually abused her, it was Shirley's partner living in Japan that Shirley left her with on many occasions at a very young age.
Sashi MacLaine, Shirley MacLaine"s daughter is another one of the Hollywood children to also write a book about how bad her mother was to her. I doubt she has made much money off the book, as such books have has "old hat"! I wonder if any other books will come out?
Shirley is a rude arrogant person. My mom was treated like a slave to her. Mom worked at Waldenbooks in 1985 and Shirley was book signing and she was rude to my mom and bossy. I wish Shirley didn't have a daughter She didn't deserve one. Many children don't deserve to have narcissistic parents.
I supported Christina for years until I spent months & hours down a rabbit hole. Christina lied. She wants attention. If it was all true,I wouldn't blame her for putting Joan on blast but I don't believe her anymore. But some parents & people in general give money,not love.
I totally believe Bette Davis’ daughter. Mrs. Hyman has her mother’s defiance characteristic; and good for her she has and had strength of character to stand up for herself.
There are other children of Joan Crawford that say otherwise … no parent is perfect … but , I’ve read to many stories about Joan and her kindness .. just saying
It's called target-child selection or the Cinderella phenomenon when one or more children are abused and others are not. Some do not even witness the abuse of their siblings or are traumatized in other ways and don't remember it. Joan Crawford's younger children were brought up during a, for lack of better words, better time in her life. She was working away from home more, not drinking as much... But none of that really matters. It always seems to be valuable to the public that Joan's youngest say nothing happened. It's not valuable evidence to me and it shouldn't be to anyone who understands how child abuse works.
@Jamie Miller Many of the commenters say a lot of things that aren't backed up by facts. Joan didn't want a lot of people around her children. But what you're referring to took place when Christina was grown and wasn't even present. Joan and BD met on the set of a movie. Joan didn't say BD was a horrible influence on her children. She said that BD seemed to be a woman of the world and compared to Joan's going on 13 year old twins who were sitting in Joan's dressing room in matching overalls and lace blouses knitting, I'm sure BD did seem like that. She was almost 17! Joan did ask that BD not influence her twins but she had no reason to socialize with them given the difference in their ages. This was before BD even began having troubles in her relationship with her own mother. Christina has never said that she lied. Ever. You can find many autobiographies from actresses of Joan Crawford's time who give first hand witnesses accounts that of the abuse Joan inflicted upon Christina and Christopher along with many recorded and filmed right here on RU-vid. You know, fans love to dispute all of this because Bette Davis and Joan were gorgeous celebrities with money who put on a good show. Fine. They were wonderful movie stars. No one has to hate their movies. But we can't judge what went on behind closed doors because we don't like the sound of it. BD always said that she did have a wonderful childhood and her story shouldn't be compared to Christina's. The real turmoil in her relationship with her mother started in young adulthood. And Christina had every right to tell her truth and be believed. And if her mother wasn't Joan Crawford. People would.
Remember: Gary Crosby later refuted his story and conceded multiple times (in private and during and on a sound tape interview) that he had lied in his book and that his father wasn't more strict than any other fathers of his time.
In CHRISTINA CRAWFORD'S memoir "Mommie Dearest" she wrote of an incident whereby she ALLEGES Joan Crawford strangled her after she returned home from boarding school for summer vacation in June 1953. When Christina wrote of this allegation, she stated Joan had "a look in her eyes that will never be erased from my memory." After this ALLEGED altercation, Christina was sent immediately back to boarding school. Christina published "Mommie Dearest" in October 1978. Nearly simultaneously to her writing this FRAUDULENT memoir, Christina was court ordered to be questioned in an UNDER-OATH deposition by Joan Crawford's estate in February 1978. During her UNDER-OATH, court-ordered deposition, Christina is specifically questioned about this incident, to which she responded: "I don't know what you are referring to," and continues to evade the questions regarding this incident. In addition to Christina's complete, on the record, CONTRIDICTION of this event, the EYE-WITNESS to this event came forward in 1981 to confirm Christina LIED in her book. That EYE-WITNESS is Billie Greene, She was Joan's assistant at the time. Greene stated in her unpublished interview: "I believe I'm quoted as saying 'Stop, you'll kill her."...I can tell you that I've never seen any discipline towards Christina or the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night." (Greene's full interview is in-depth and REVEALING) **CREDIT to CHRISTINACRAWFORDLIED facebook.**
Remember: Gary Crosby later refuted his story and conceded multiple times (in private and during and on a sound tape interview) that he had lied in his book and that his father wasn't more strict than any other fathers of his time.
Joan Crawford herself was terrible abused, abandoned by her family, and molested by her step father at age 11... and she spoke beautifully and was wildly successful. Your point?
@@CoryMatthew87 Exactly what you stated. Joan Crawford was all you mentioned in your comment. The "Mommie Dearest" book made a fortune for Christina. It was as Faye Dunaway stated "an exploitation book dealing with Hollywood and their children". She also stated the book was basically about a child of "want" and a child of" plenty" and also stated she doubted if much of the book and later movie were true, but both sold and sold "Big Time".. Many later books came out as apparently these children did especially well Especially well for Liza Minelli. We all know Judy had her problems but at least her children loved her and stated so all of their lives. Such books have become "old hat'. The latest one to my knowledge was written by the daughter of Shirley MacLaine. Hardly anybody knows about her book. People were tired of reading bloated and exaggerated books about children of Hollywood Stars. Christina Crawford made the most money from the sales of her book and then the movie as the book and movie became "cult". It was the first in a long line to come later. She got the money but I doubt the other Hollywood children got much money off their books as people were just simply tired of reading such books.
@@richardmcleod1930 the only ones who really know what happened is Mother and child. I believe there is truth to much of the abuse aligations, given how many people have back them up, along with her short fuse and sometimes violent tendencies. But at the end of the day, I was just replying to your original comments. MANY abused children grow up to be successful individuals, in spite of the childhoods they came from. I know this personally...
Remember: Gary Crosby later refuted his story and conceded multiple times (in private and during and on a sound tape interview) that he had lied in his book and that his father wasn't more strict than any other fathers of his time.
Hello......This was broadcast in September of 1991. BD's mother (Bette Davis) passed away in October of 1989.....so a little less than two years before.
C. Crawford didn’t inherit a dime from her mother. Her book was always known as fake. I remember BD Hyman in that scene from Baby Jane “ I think Julie would know…”
Actually, she fails to ever mention it, but Christina and Christopher contested the will, and they each received around 50,000. If you disinherit or want to exclude someone from your will, you MUST leave that person with $1.00 and not a penny less. If Joan had done that , they wouldn’t have been able to contest . I learned this vital information from reading about Hattie McDaniel who left her ex husband a dollar in her will .
I think Bette was born being confident, intelligent but also a little narcissistic and in love with drama. I think her daughter inherited some of her traits. They both probably are not perfect people. I think Joan was extremely similar, but maybe a little less confident as a person and had more insecurities which she took out on her children.
My mother was no angel, but we were fed nice meals, had new clothes, a clean house and I'm thankful for that. Whenever I can, I praise her for all those things because love covers, it does not expose
Praising your abusive mother for covering your basic needs, while covering up your mother's abuse of you? Who taught you that "love covers, it does not expose"? That's a VERY handy "get out of jail free card" for a perpetrator of abuse!
@@janettewebster2151 my mother had BPD. She was never physically abusive. What came out of her mouth toward her children was through a filter of a feeling of fear, abandonment and inadequacy in oneself. I forgave her of that because I am not a perfect person myself. I guess I was just trying to give the meaning of love itself. When your body is injured, say by a cut, God gave the body the ability to form a scab "cover" over the wound until the body can knit itself back whole again. True love will "cover" that person's is imperfections until that person is made right again. Just as when Jesus was being crucified, He called out to His Father to forgive them, for they know not what they do. He also was "covering" for them, because that is perfect love. Even though love may cover the bad behavior of someone, that someone is not exempt from judgement from the Most High at the end of one's life.
@@sametoyoutoo8509 I had friends who did not even receive the basics and they still love their mothers. We are all imperfect. She made me adept at understanding others feelings and moods very keenly.
You're welcome. I've always appreciated hearing her side of things also. Regardless of what one thinks about her, she is an intelligent and articulate woman.
Fascinating subject however Joan Rivers is the worst interviewer! Just when one of her guests are about to say something interesting, she interrupts them & changes the subject. She talks so fast & mumbles, most of the time its hard to figure out what she is saying.
Christina is great. She really cares about survivors and was trying to connect with all the survivors on the stage to make them feel more comfortable and let them know that they're helping others.
This is fascinating to watch, it's really sad to watch the control these celebratities had on their kids, it's sad they really couldn't have a normal childhood,...I used to dream of being a movie star's child, happy I wasn't...lol
@Jarred Knox-Neyhart-May watch this video specifically at the 37:08 minute mark where Christina wrote that she was quoting the woman that was Joan's caregiver at the end of Joan's life. If Christina lied about this what else did she lie about? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-x2r52dInbV4.html
Remember: Gary Crosby later refuted his story and conceded multiple times (in private and during and on a sound tape interview) that he had lied in his book and that his father wasn't more strict than any other fathers of his time.
@@ep8324 I'd never heard his recanting. I've said before that child raising was different in Joan and Bette's time, physical punishment the norm then, spankings with hand, belts and switches and a slap across the face was common and no one would have thought to call it abuse. Many of Christina's accusations against her mother have been refuted by people who were actually there at the time such as the incident where Christina claimed Joan tried to kill her by strangulation. One of the women who was there that day said Joan in a rage at a lie Christina had told slapped Christina on the neck but did not choke her. There are such things as bad children.
Greenwich Village, Manhattan. 1992. I went to see my friend perform his one man show on a small venue stage. Sat about a 100. I'm in an aisle seat. Across from me is Joan Rivers. Opposite aisle seat. This play was a comedy. Laughing throughout the 2 hour (with intermission) show.. Rivers was by herself. Not once did she laugh with us, as an audience. Not once. Very odd, indeed. I never told my friend that she was in the audience.
I'm shocked at how many people are calling her a liar. I grew up with a mother very much like Christina describes her mother. Believe every word she's saying. I watched Mommy dearest with my sister as a child we both couldn't believe how much she was exactly like our mother.
I had the same experience watching Mommy Dearest and realizing in shock that I was being abused. The crazy thing was that I was watching it with my abuser, my mother. I remember sitting there just frozen in shock not knowing what to say. You could have cut the air in the room with a knife. I believe Christina and the Crosby son too. That movie help me face my own trauma
I think they're all full of shit. Especially Christina Crawford. Talking about she & Joan being so close. I've never heard or read anything even remotely similar to those claims.
Whatever! Read her book again. Her mother WAS abusive. But they had a period of time where they became friends. That friendship was abusive in its own way.
Joan's other children all say Christina was a troubled child and suffered from a Bipolar condition. Joan knew Christina was writing this terrible book full of lies that is why she was cut out of the will. Shameful, ungrateful daughther.. I am sure Joan wished she NEVER adopted ungrateful Christina.
@@johnny9477 Yes she did. She knew Christina was writing a book about her but Joan became sumptuous of Christina because she never asked her about her up bringing and working in silent films, as dancer etc....... She was NOT a stupid woman and knew the kind of person Christina was as she was such an awful daughther, ungrateful etc.... From that she took action to speak beyond the grave and cut both the son who was often in trouble with the law and the jealous brat child she plucked out of an orphanage and adopted her. Shameful! Bette Davis also had an awful daughther. Joan cut Christina and terrible son out of her will. Now her other good children disagree with Christina's lies. . .
@@angellosmalefakis1321 No, but her daughter was and I'm certain she knows her Mother better than the commenter. Bette Davis was an actress. Do not confuse the performer with the actual person. I don't understand how people can be so stupid and buy into a celebrity's persona, especially if they're an actor or actress. It's their job to convince you they're a certain character. That's what they do for a living.
People don't want to believe their favorite actress is a monster behind the scenes, but it happens. My mother was very much like Crawford, but unless you were at the house often you'd never guess. Believe it! Christina Crawford goes into way too much detail and her presence is very believable there's no phony there. Crawford Didn't leave either of her kids anything in the will and now everybody complains because Christina's out in the open talking about her? As Joan would say, grow up.
It's awful that you had an abusive mother. However, working in the TV and film industry l have seen the other side of this situation. Two of my long term clients were glamorous, highly talented and successful actresses. Sadly both have now passed away. Both had daughters who were less attractive and less talented, but who wanted to get into the business. Their mothers did everything possible to try to help them, but no amount of help can get an untalented actress a job. I watched these girls grow from children into adults who resented the success and popularity of their mothers. I saw at first hand the despicable way they treated the women who had raised them and loved them and been fantastic parents. Both girls literally broke their mothers' hearts. When hearing her mother had been diagnosed with cancer, one girl sent an email saying "I'm glad you have cancer and l hope you die". Not all children love their parents. Luckily l have never suffered child abuse but l have witnessed with my own eyes appalling parent abuse, and l know it contributed to the early deaths of two ladies whose daughters had turned on them for no reason and broken their hearts. Christina has constantly changed her stories and always made them worse and worse. If you are interested in hearing the other side of the story there is a long video by The Concluding Chapter of Crawford in which dozens of people who knew Joan and her children refute Christina's stories - among them Joan's twin girls who successfully sued Christina over lies she told about them. Watch ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_2oUSy9x0Qw.html
@@barrylangford3276 Oh I Understand that some people had wonderful parents, some not, And just fot the record my mother was great too she just had some issues. My point is we don't really know what happened and there are going to be people that have not seen it because it's not disclosed, it's hidden for obvious reasons...just like sexual abuse. Behind closed doors people just don't know. You would be shocked to know the entirety of my childhood nobody would believe it either. I don't know 1st hand nor does anybody what happened, but I know it can. Anyway, I understand what you're saying.
@@trishaustin4101 Hi Trish, thanks for your reply. It must be an emotive subject for you and l appreciate your measured and thoughtful response. I only wish everyone commenting on this video were as considerate in their responses to one another. Keep well.
@@barrylangford3276 Thank you very much for the compliment. I try hard to see other people's perspective and not to offend anybody. That made my day! you stay well too. 😊
@@trishaustin4101 In CHRISTINA'S "Mommie Dearest" she wrote of an incident whereby she ALLEGES Joan Crawford strangled her after she returned home from boarding school for summer vacation in June 1953. When Christina wrote of this allegation, she stated Joan had "a look in her eyes that will never be erased from my memory." After this ALLEGED altercation, Christina was sent immediately back to boarding school. Christina published "Mommie Dearest" in October 1978. Nearly simultaneously to her writing this FRAUDULENT memoir, Christina was court ordered to be questioned in an UNDER-OATH deposition by Joan Crawford's estate in February 1978. During her UNDER-OATH, court-ordered deposition, Christina is specifically questioned about this incident, to which she responded: "I don't know what you are referring to," and continues to evade the questions regarding this incident. In addition to Christina's complete, on the record, CONTRIDICTION of this event, the EYE-WITNESS to this event came forward in 1981 to confirm Christina LIED in her book. That EYE-WITNESS is Billie Greene, She was Joan's assistant at the time. Greene stated in her unpublished interview: "I believe I'm quoted as saying 'Stop, you'll kill her."...I can tell you that I've never seen any discipline towards Christina or the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night." (Greene's full interview is in-depth and REVEALING) **CREDIT to CHRISTINACRAWFORDLIED facebook.**
Sorry, but I don’t believe all sh.y the two daughters wrote. To get their books published, they was ask to add more drama to it. If someone really followed the story of Joan , she was bankrupt, no new rolls, the only valuable was her house and that was not glamorous. Her daughter was upset not to inherit something. I also a lot of interviews, even short before Bette Davis dead, she always said she loved her children, I think she tried to be a good mother, but she worked till her sad end , from cancer in a hospital in france, one day after she was honored in Spain. They both was legends, why destroy what they worked so hard for, just for money with the book sells. The daughter from Bette Davis said, she wanted to see the family, why not go. We all had some stones in our childhood. This two actresses paid a high price for their carrier!!!
Same goes for Garu Crosby. He himself later refuted his story and conceded multiple times (in private and during and on a sound tape interview) that he had lied in his book and that his father wasn't more strict than any other fathers of his time.
Because I really like Bette Davis, most people assume I must like all actresses of the same era, but I don't really. I have seen little of Joan's movies (I have 'Baby Jane' of course) but loved her in 'Possessed' (it was a great film and she was wonderful in it). I know very little of her besides that. To me, it's blatantly obvious that B.D. Hyman lied (I have done extensive research) and used Christina's book as inspiration for her own. However, I just want to say I enjoyed reading your well-informed posts on your FB page, very interesting and opened my eyes a lot. Congratulations on your work. I think this chat show was awful, none of these stars were there to defend themselves and Joan Rivers appeared to believe every word that make out of their mouths (although I'd be very surprised if she actually fell for that Justin and the poker crap), she should have sat on the fence more and asked better questions. Anyway, if Christina did lie (and I have read many things on your page to seriously suggest she did), good for you for exposing it. Joan wasn't there to defend herself, it wasn't fair.
Joan Crawford was a horrible mother. Period. 💯%! Christina Crawford is so right. Work your own issues out before making the choice to become a parent or you'll pass your unresolved issues, plus your anger and frustration over them, onto your innocent children.
In Christina's "Mommie Dearest" she wrote of an incident whereby she ALLEGES Joan Crawford strangled her after she returned home from boarding school for summer vacation in June 1953. When Christina wrote of this allegation, she stated Joan had "a look in her eyes that will never be erased from my memory." After this ALLEGED altercation, Christina was sent immediately back to boarding school. Christina published "Mommie Dearest" in October 1978. Nearly simultaneously to her writing this FRAUDULENT memoir, Christina was court ordered to be questioned in an UNDER-OATH deposition by Joan Crawford's estate in February 1978. During her UNDER-OATH, court-ordered deposition, Christina is specifically questioned about this incident, to which she responded: "I don't know what you are referring to," and continues to evade the questions regarding this incident. In addition to Christina's complete, on the record, CONTRIDICTION of this event, the EYE-WITNESS to this event came forward in 1981 to confirm Christina LIED in her book. That EYE-WITNESS is Billie Greene, She was Joan's assistant at the time. Greene stated in her unpublished interview: "I believe I'm quoted as saying 'Stop, you'll kill her."...I can tell you that I've never seen any discipline towards Christina or the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night." (Greene's full interview is in-depth and REVEALING) **CREDIT to CHRISTINACRAWFORDLIED facebook.**
Billie Greene -Former secretary to Joan Crawford-unpublished interview 1980 “I believe I am quoted [in Christina’s book regarding the LIE that is the strangling incident] to have said something like, “Stop, you’ll kill her.” There was a point where they were having an argument. What precipitated it was possibly one of many misunderstandings. Or where Christina had lied to Joan, and the hostility was getting greater. Joan came towards her and gave her a good swat, and hit her towards the neck area. I remember at one point taking Joan’s arm when it was in midair and saying, “I want you to stop. You’re going to hurt her.” This was not for Christina’s sake. This was for Joan’s sake. No one wants to see anyone out of control. I can tell you that I’d never seen any discipline towards Christina or towards the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night. Possibly there was rage. I can’t conceive of the distortion, unless Christina had a deep-seated plan, a vendetta that was present even when she was 14. Christina lied often for absolutely no reason. [The book] was a pack of lies that made your hair stand on end. I have utter contempt for Christina." "When Christina was at Chadwicks, she would tell some lies. Like the lengths Joan would go through to see that she had everything to get back to school. Shoes, dresses, etc. I don’t know what Christina would do with them between Brentwood and school, but she would arrive with a couple of beat up, old dresses and the call would come from Chadwicks. “Couldn’t you send this girl one decent thing to wear?” I got Christina in my office one day and said, “Christina, what did you do? All those things we picked out and packed and got ready for you that you chose?” She said, “I gave them to my friends,” and I said, “What does this do? Make you a hero with your friends?” and she said, “No, I just wanted to.” I said, “Don’t you know what you do to your mother when you make her look cruel and evil and selfish?” and she said, “No, it’s just something I like to do. I like to give my clothes away.” On more than one occasion I found Christina to be an opportunist, dishonest and distorting everything, every single actions of her mother.” **Credit to ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@Garsons-oq4lh she evaded the question in court. So what! She was probably not wishing to testify in court about it because her upcoming book was releasing that information exclusively.
@@kristopherwilhite6113 Very interesting stuff here May 17th, 1977: Joan Crawford's Last Will & Testament is read. Christina and Christopher Crawford discover they are disinherited. June/July 1977: According to Christina, she begins writing "Mommie Dearest" as a personal journal, which consists of 20 pages. August 1977: According to Christina, she gives her 20-page "Mommie Dearest" journal to a friend, who then gives it to their literary agent to read. The literary agent contacts Christina expressing interest in publishing the journal as a memoir, and asks Christina to complete 100 pages by the first week in September. September 1977: According to Christina, she completes the first draft of "Mommie Dearest" and mails the manuscript to her literary agent in Manhattan, New York. October 1977: According to Christina, she is contacted via telephone by her literary agent in Manhattan, New York with an offer from William Morrow & Co. for "a lot of money" to publish her manuscript of "Mommie Dearest." October 24th, 1977 (#1): According to Christina, she has a two-hour meeting with her literary agent, a book editor and the president of William Morrow in the Plaza Hotel in Manhattan, New York. The meeting is regarding the sale of her "Mommie Dearest" manuscript. According to Christina, she was told the manuscript needed "work," and that she was receptive to "revisions" and "changes." A deadline of April 25th, 1978 is scheduled for Christina's completed manuscript with revisions. According to Christina, after leaving the meeting regarding the revisions and changes to the "Mommie Dearest" manuscript at the Plaza Hotel, she travels to her attorney's office, where she reads and signs her legal Objection To Probate Joan's will. After signing the legal documents, Christina claims she left the attorney's office and was suddenly "overtaken by a sensation of panic" after she boarded a bus. Then, after getting off the bus prematurely, she was "feeling like a crazy person." October 24th, 1977 (#2): Christina and Christopher file legal Objections To Probate Joan's will. February 9th-10th, 1978: Christina undergoes a two-day long under-oath legal deposition in regard to her legal Objection To Probate Joan's will. The main subject discussion of the deposition is Christina's relationship and experiences with her mother, Joan Crawford. March 20th, 1978: The deposition of Christopher Crawford regarding his Objection To Probate Joan Crawford's will is scheduled on this date. However, Christopher Crawford does not appear at the scheduled time. Nor do his attorneys. No prior notice was given that Christopher would not attend the deposition. Later in the day, Christopher's attorney file a motion to the court for a protective order to prevent deposing Christopher in regard to his October 24th, 1977 Objection To Probate the will of Joan Crawford. April 7th, 1978: A hearing is held regarding Christopher Crawford's attorney's motion for a protection order to prevent Christopher from being deposed regarding his October 24th, 1977 Objection To Probate the will of Joan Crawford. May 9th, 1978: Christina submits a court-ordered sworn Bill of Particulars, which is an explanation of her October 24th, 1977 Objection To Probate Joan's will. May 1978: It is reported in the news that Christina will received $750,000 for the paperback rights to "Mommie Dearest," and $300,000 for the film rights. In addition, Christina is to receive $250,000 for writing the film's screenplay. May-June 1978: Christina and Christopher Crawford's attorney propose settlement options to the Joan Crawford estate in regard to their October 24th, 1977 Objections To Probate the will of Joan Crawford. May 18th, 1978: Christina and Christopher Crawford attempt to alter their original Objections To Probate the will of Joan Crawford. Through their attorney, Christina and Christopher claim that Joan Crawford suffered from monomania, which preceded her prior wills dating back to 1964 that excluded them as beneficiaries. The original Objections To Probate contended Joan was not of sound mind and was influenced by undue influence by Jerome and Cathy LaLonde when she signed her final will dated October 28th, 1976. July 1978: According to Christina, Paramount Pictures threatens to sue her for breach of contract regarding the film rights to "Mommie Dearest." July 12th, 1978: A hearing is held regarding Joan Crawford's estate's motion for Christina Crawford to appear before for a second deposition in regard to Christina's October 24th, 1978 Objection To Probate. July 19th, 1978: Following a hearing, Christina Crawford is court-ordered to appear for a second deposition in regard to her October 24th, 1977 Objection To Probate the will of Joan Crawford. The deposition is scheduled to take place on August 17th, and August 18th, 1978. The date is later changed to August 31st and September 1st, 1978. August 31st, 1978: On this date, Christina is scheduled to appear for a second deposition regarding her October 24th, 1977 Objection To Probate Joan's will. The deposition is schedule to begin at 10:00 am at the law offices of Joan's estate attorneys. It is scheduled to take place over the course of two days; August 31st and September 1st. Christina does not appear at the deposition. At 10:30 am, Christina's attorney telephones Joan's estate attorneys to inform them that Christina would not be attended the scheduled deposition because she had "suddenly" become "violently ill," and that she would be seeking medical attention. Later, Christina's attorney states Christina's sudden illness was "chest pains." When Joan's estate attorney asks if Christina would be attending the deposition on September 1st, Christina's attorney states that she would not be attending the deposition. Shortly thereafter, Christina boards an airplane, and flies from Manhattan, New York to Los Angeles, California. September 4th, 1978: An article entitled "Mommie Dearest" is published in "New York" magazine. The article is written by Christina, and contains excerpts from her manuscript of "Mommie Dearest." September 6th, 1978: Through written correspondence regarding the September 4th "New York" magazine article, Christina's attorney states to Joan's estate attorney that Christina "assumed that this [Objection To Probate] trial would have been completed prior to its publication." September 19th, 1978: This date is schedule for the trial for Christina and Christopher's Objections To Probate the will of Joan Crawford. October 1978: Christina's memoir, "Mommie Dearest," is published by William Morrow. October 12th, 1978: The second attempt for the estate of Joan Crawford to depose Christopher regarding his Objection To Probate the will of Joan Crawford. Initially, Christopher's deposition was scheduled for March 20th, 1978, however, Christopher failed to appear, with his attorney filing a motion on March 20th requesting a protective order to prevent the estate from deposing Christopher in regard to his October 24th, 1977 Objection To Probate the will of Joan Crawford. October 23rd-24th, 1978: Christina undergoes a second two-day long, under-oath, legal deposition in regard to her legal Objection To Probate Joan's will. The main subject discussion of the deposition is Christina's relationship and experiences with Joan. #ChristinaCrawfordLied
