Joe & Jon: "THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED" & Overuse of "TOXIC MASCULINITY" 

"Andrew Tate thumbnail cause I really didn't know what else to use" - You know what you were doing. Click bait is still click bait.

Chill, intelligent guy. Appreciate you having Jon on Joe.

A healthy relationship with violence. Love it. What a conversation. Thanks for having Jon on.

Jon is one of my favorites new actors. From Walking Dead to Wolf Of Wall Street. His performances are raw and captivating. So glad he finally got on JRE.

Broke my leg like mcgreggor 7 months ago and have been through 3 surgeries and am still on crutches and painkillers. Life’s been tough. Needed this thanks joe

This is so true. When I think about my life and the things I did in my life, and how pathetic of a person I was when I was younger, its actually a miracle that I came out of it even relatively unscathed. For so long thinking I was cool selling coke 100 miles an hour doing drugs, partying, getting into fights with other crews and people... All it would have taken was for me to get busted back then for my life to have potentially gone down a road that it would have been nearly impossible to come back from. Instead, I ended up with an assault causing bodily harm charge and 6 months house arrest... and thankfully I was able to climb out of that life and realize there was no future where I was going.... I look at how many of my friends died from overdose and I think about the drugs I have done and the states I have been in. I could have been just another statistic. Instead, I am now at the absolute pinnacle of my field as a computer storage architect. I travel all over the world and am the lead architect at one of the fastest growing compute and storage companies in the world. I was able to go back to university, get my computer science degree and begin absolutely thriving and blazing a trail because it is something that I truly love. It is astounding at how good you can be at something, and how far and how fast you can go when it is your passion. For anyone that might be struggling, in a terrible position where it looks like there might be no way out, I promise you there is a path. I'm not going to sugarcoat it and say everyone will be able to do it, because it's just not true... but you owe it to yourself to try.

My man The Punisher. Class actor from big roles to small roles, nails it all the time. Seems like a decent and stand up guy who is humble enough to admit mistakes and learn from them.

"Having a healthy relationship with violence, having an understanding of it..." probably one of the most important points in this segment, and a desperately needed teaching point for an increasingly agitated and fractured American culture. Such a mind state is not an advocacy for, or acceptance of, psychopathic behavior, but neither is it a denial of human nature; it is an evolutionarily necessary function when understood in context and used properly. For us to be here watching this, for those two men to have had their discussion--violence has driven us forward as a species just as much as peace, making our world possible; it is not an act or series of actions to be taken lightly, and should only be used with the utmost respect for what it has done, can-and-will do. Those who over-identify with one extreme socio-political view or another (some war-mongering MAGAt, or bleeding-heart leftie) fail to understand this completely.

Two men cut from the same cloth. It makes my heart happy that they finally met. Great conversation.

Jon is literally my favorite actor ever, he is down to earth and very sincere

This is the Joe Rogan that I was drawn to many years ago. Someone that can see both sides and understand a situation as multi faceted.

It all boils down to respect. Respect each other. You don’t have to agree but be classy and wise about it. Avoid allowing others to dictate your emotions. Stay healthy and safe inside your body😉🤙🏼

I'm sick of having this conversation with my partner and my family and I just wish they ALL see this and HEAR it, I agree 100 percent. I would not be happy if my children grew up like I did and with the environment I was in.

All the money in the world will not change a neighborhood as much as a an intact family will change it. Fathers need to be present, working, honorable and available to their children.

This why I like Joe, you can be as far left ,or right as you like ,but at the end of the day most of us want balance in our lives ,family ,work ,and pleasure/relaxation. And shouldn't be afraid to speak up and push back and not be pushed to bring more of the toxic things into our lives .

Seeing this side of Jon, makes me appreciate his ability as an actor. Some of the rolls I've seen him in, couldn't be any further from the man before me now. Lol. It's really quite incredible!

Jon is a man we need more of nowadays

I liked how Michael Franzese put it. He said, “it’s not toxic masculinity, it’s just bad behavior.”

Damn, Shane has really came down to earth these days. Good guy. 😁

I listen to this conversation as a guide almost everyday. Thank you Joe and Jon.

I’ll admit it, my biggest failure is self discipline. I’m thirty one and I’ve been an iron worker for 10 years. Single, no children, no responsibility outside of my career. So what do I do? Drink, party, hunt and do nothing for my future. Working on it daily, yet I admit I fail often.

This guy WAS The Punisher. one of the most brutal and graphic shows ive ever seen and it was so perfect for 2 straight seasons. And it appears he's a great guy and a great dad. And that's perfect :)

I think it’s easy to talk about things while sounding intelligent but people need resources. The orphans, people who had abusive upbringings. The problem with our society is the fact that there isn’t free solutions. Everything costs money. People, especially men can spiral so far down into negativity and there’s help but it doesn’t usually change minds unless we can connect with people and not feel ashamed or alienated. Personally I’m fearless but I beat myself so much for how I act or what I say. I try to be mindful yet sometimes it’s hard af to break out of a downward spiral. Thanks for reading if you do. Love

His Shia interview was heartfelt and so good

"Have to be exposed to a certain amount of assholes to see the full scope of human beings." They do come in different flavors, can't really understand till you've seen most of it

This conversation is definitely needed!

Everything he said about the differences and the major one sidedness of what we as a country put our funds into and support is something ill totally agree with. As someone who has mostly always been the provider in my relationships ( as a women), and also having been with abusive men, both physically and verbally, ill tell you that having some kind of outlet definitely is something that is needed. Especially when it comes to building back up your self esteem and self worth after the fact. Friends and close community groups, or even therapy has always been something that has made dealing with the trauma a little less painful, plus being around other people that have been through similar situations makes you not feel so lonely -isolated.

this is the kind of conversation that makes me remember why i liked JRE in the first place - thanks!

I have been saying this for years. I came from a tough area and develpoed drug addictions spent half my life in jail. And now when i look back they do nothing for these types of areas. All that needs done is education from a young age about the situation that they are in and give them statistics of where there life is going to lead if they follow a certain path.

Keep speaking Joe and Jon, you understand the balance of both. Thank you for sharing. 🇺🇸🌹

I grew up in a loving supporting family, but when i got to junior high, i was exposed to wanna-be gangsters, typical bullies, racists and assholes. Definitely a harsh time, but it forced me to learn to push back when needed.

The Punisher has come a long way. Proud of him.

This was a very informative dialogue featuring strong and positive advice. Men and women must work together to continue to build and grow. Regardless of class, gender and political differences(the list goes on) unity goes further than division.

Love you joe dropped a tear listening to this all most ask for is acknowledgment and compassion ❤️ 💜.

There is such a thing as to much struggle. Overcoming, is over achieving.

I would definitely buy a book from Joe Bernthal.

Been watching punisher this week while I’m off work. And this comes out. 👌❤️

My first major career move was without credentials, but the man looked at me after the interview and asked, "Did you play sports at a high level as a youth"? I just smiled back. Discipline was bred into me young, many kids fell off in sports with participation ribbon attitude, which was one way of looking at it. I was taught you earn your spot on the line-up/team. Hockey training was intense, small town Canadian hockey involved carrying your bag halfway across town in minus 15-30 celsius, but the love of the game made the harhness sweet.

As a man at the age of 33 I'm just realizing so many things. I have made it through more shit than most and feel Im a good man because of it. Kinda like they said on the podcast, I was one who was forged as a good one thankfully. But the shit ive seen and gone through I'd wish on no one. But i finally realize that's what makes me strong not weak.. it's what we've gone through that defines who we are. So overcoming obstacles constantly is who I am now. I just wish I had more guidance, now and when I was younger.

I wrestled for 12 years. My household was loving but it wasn’t ideal. I didn’t live with mom and dad. I lived with whoever needed the check that month, if that makes sense. I got in trouble. But that discipline you (L)earn from an individual sport is something you either comprehend or you don’t. When you can shake the hand of the: people, place, or thing, that beatt you? Means you have it. But there comes a flaw. Not having fear is more detrimental than anything.

What Joe gets wrong: He’s going based on the assumption the throwing more money at poor neighborhoods will automatically equate to them being more prosperous

I love listening to Jon just whispering “that’s right” every few seconds whenever anyone else is talking. I know he’s actually listening to the person talking to him but it’s still funny once you notice it.

1:25 hits home all that he says hits so hard. If you ever built a home, sold your art work, getting ripped like Cbum, landing your first bar spin, back flip. Gone broke and hit rock bottom yet manage to get back up and keep on keeping on. No one there to help. It’s so tough some people will only feel that once. Got to always keep on going and growing. Got to be a Top G

Classical masculinity, I like that term.

Where can I watch the full podcast episode?

Finding "IT", through struggle. Right on point Joe.

Joe Rogan is a hell of a lot wiser than people give him credit for. His take on the value proposition of teaching children the importance of discipline at a young age cannot be overstated. Overcoming adversity in a consistent way is an ability that comes with hard work, persistence, and practice.

Loved this whole interview. Jon is a great guy.

Listening to this baked asf with my eyes closed and it sounds like the video is skipping when ol mate is talking 😂

Great perspective Joseph. Jon is a fantastic guest.

This was a great podcast. I encourage everyone to listen to it. Great lessons for young men.

Fantastic podcast. This conversation was most enlightening

Each day I respect these 2 guys , more

I’ve been waiting so long for Jon Bernthal to be on with Rogan. My favorite actor just because of how down to earth he is

One of the most profound things to ever be spoken by Joe.

I've only seen Bernthal in Sicario and I thought he made a huge impression for such a small role. These interviews with him sincerely make me feel like I need to watch all of his work he seems like a very interesting human being

Unfortunately my oldest son was around me when I was 21…I’ve had a monumental shift as well though and our relationship is stronger than ever now. My youngest son has no idea his dad was once a reprobate criminal

The wisdom on display here has been acquired by hard-won life experience. The tragedy of life (mine included)... is that young men do not listen to old men. Oh...we hear...but we don't listen. But later, years later, we remember those words...after we prove with our f- ups...we literally hear Mom and Dads voice in our heads like they are behind us whispering uncomfortably close to our ears...and we think... " I know! I know!", but "Are they going to listen to ME!!"

Through God's grace I made it through Iraq, losing my Brother, almost losing my left leg, breaking and having my right hip replaced, ended up homeless and ended up in Kensington. I turned it around I had to learn the hard way the best thing that could happen in the future is if I can help someone else. I had to accept responsibility for where I was in life. Anyone can change it requires temporary pain the births growth and permanent peace of mind.

3:21 Joe has some strong perceptiveness, especially considering he explains the problem so well while not being affected by it. As a middle class black teen about to go to college, knowing other young black men in these in environments, understanding how different their world is, it really hits home.

the human struggle part was marvelous

Very real and strong points touched on in the first 5 minutes of this episode. I highly respect the critical thinking honest objective conversation held here. Thank you.

I think the initial statement that Joe makes about his children seeing him at his most disciplined stage of life is HUGE. I’m lucky to have grown up with my parents who mainly had their shit together. But I’ve seen friends and now that I’m older more people my age, having children in times when they aren’t at their best. I think that makes such a big difference. I know it’s not realistic for 100% of couples, but when he said that it really made me pause and think about it

Great conversation

"Kind, ethical and honest." Really wish Rogan practiced that, most especially the last 2.

Being accepting, emotional intelligence, patience, honesty. Those are traits of being a good person, not just being a good man. Too much focus on what men should do, need focus in what all humans shoukd do to be better humans.

This talk is the very reason JRE is such a success. Speaking truth.

I'm a minute and a half in, and I can already agree with Joe about fiding potential in yourself after surviving some sort of struggle, it's definitely true

Said it before but who Jon Bernthal is today is one of the best examples of a man, or role models for young men that there is.

Jon seems like a Joe Rogan in training. He has the insights, intelligence, and charisma. Could see him taking over JRE one day.

1:39 well said. "Boundary can be moved"

So many good points crammed into this bit but my favourite was when Joe says that some people succumb to adversity. That's profoundly true, but it's not "some people." Sooner or later the majority does, and it's being broadcast to us every day.

For anyone who didn’t realize it’s. His point about “having a healthy relationship relationship with violence” is literally taken right out of Jordan Peterson’s book. “Men should be monsters but have the discipline to control those tendencies. It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a Gardner in a war. How else would one be able to protect his loved ones when it comes down to it?”

I was born and raised in the projects in NYC. I HAVE 20 years law enforcement experience. I was able to do the right thing in the midst of living in a crime ridden neighborhood. There’s NO EXCUSE.

Passion leads to suffering. . But it's pure positivity that the system doesn't wanna see ppl enjoy

Your boundaries are movable ...love it

"There is very little effort to improve those neighborhoods." Unfortunately, that lack of effort is matched or exceeded by the people in those neighborhoods. And THAT'S why the problem is so difficult to solve. And although money can help, no amount can overcome that improvement indifference.

he is speaking facts i love jon i always learn somthing new from him i love his movies great actor and great guy

Classic masculinity is definitely NOT toxic masculinity. And I have to say that kind of protector warrior energy doesn't just belong to men.

We don't quit ✌❤ Loaded and Locked here we come with the BEST we Got #enjoythejourney #Thankyouall BB

I needed to hear u say my boundaries are moveable. Thank you Joe Rogan.

IT AINT LIKE IT WAS BEFOOORREE RICK!

Joe talks about the importance of being a stand-up father, but he consisntently fails to put any accountability on all the deadbeats that perpetuate the quality of these neighborhoods...his solution is always a government handout

The "struggle" is one of the schools of Life, is necessary, we need it to grow as humans beings.

and to think this guy was just "shane" or "the punisher" too me just a few days ago, mad respect for keeping it real as an actor jon!

I think they need to look up what toxic masculity is. It is the notion that emotions or being vulenerable is weak or something to be made fun of. Being uncomfortable sharing anything deeper than sports or hugging each other or saying i love you without the bro. The egging on or calling someone a pussy for not jumping off a cliff or whatever

This is an excellent conversation. You must have strong parents and family relationships to get the most kids through to become healthy adults. Childhood is not the time for liberalism.

Nicely said... Sweet like 🍷 wine

This thumbnail slaps today LOL

Did anyone else notice he “stutters” a lot? I love the guy but I couldn’t help notice it. Once I did, it started to become super apparent.

Toxic masculinity is belittling others to show off masculine traits. What ppl don’t understand is those actions are traditionally masculine in nature however show a vast amount of insecurity which isn’t masculine. In reality, if someone shows off using toxic behavior against a strong advisory they crumble. People highly respect a person that doesn’t downgrade or trash others to show their own importance or value. Respect/integrity is the highest form of being perceived as masculine, you never question the masculinity of a person you respect

As an Appalachian Ohioan who made it out, I can attest to how growing up there really limits your possibilities. What you see is all there is. You never leave your hometown. Most everyone is poor (by American standards). There’s nothing to inspire or drive you. You can’t even see your own limits because they’ve been there your whole life. You inherit them, and you hand them on in an ugly cycle of limited possibilities. Outsiders sometimes want to help, but Appalachians are suspicious. Why not? We’re exploited for our valuable resources (coal/oil) and watch them looted by big companies who laugh all the way to the bank… poisoning our people on the way. People back home don’t need handouts. They need hands-up. They need INVESTMENT. They work exceptionally hard, but the jobs are low paying. They ARE disciplined, but they aren’t exposed to ideas that give them the ability dream up a better way. It’s not all bad. You want to talk about people with love and integrity? Talk to us country folks. You want your kids to grow up with kindness, empathy, and understanding of grit? Send them to live with a Southeastern Ohio family for the summer. Then send them again. And again! It’s not quite like when I was growing up, but everyone needs to experience the hardship and happiness of low income living, in a slow, sleepy small town. Everyone needs to experience the good and bad of “if-y”cell phone signal and sometimes non-existent Internet service. Everyone needs to experience the isolation and QUIET of the country. Everyone needs to see the “ripple-ly” farmlands and rolling green hills scattered with horses and cows. Everyone needs the belonging and love of a small community. Even adults need it. (So go visit and see what it’s like for yourself.) My parents did an amazing job raising me. And luckily, I was a reader, so long before I ever saw a different part of the country, I’d already traveled the world! That’s why I made it out. But I’m soooo glad I grew up where I did, it made me the good human being that I am! Though… like Dolly Parton says: “No amount of money could buy from me, The memories that I have of then, No amount of money could pay me, To go back and live through it again”

Saying masculinity is "toxic" is equivalent in calling right "wrong." We knew this would happen, as it was written, but we did not know how perverse and backwards it would be. Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death."

Jon is The Punisher for life, he was awesome in that role. Seems like a genuine good dude too.

Much of what is characterized as "toxic masculinity", by modern feminists, are traits like aggression, competiveness, the subduing of emotions to get a goal accomplished. When put under the proper constraints, these things are not "toxic". Rather, these traits are the very bedrock upon which innovations and civilization grew. Its these very traits that led to the very comfortable world that allowed women to thrive.

It’s been so difficult to shift into a disciplined person throughout the years. I will not raise my children the same way.

wheres the full podcast pls

Jon is a real man. How he ended up in Hollywood I’ll never know. Dude is disciplined and talented. He’s no joke. It comes across in everything he does. A real person a real man.

I really like this guy. Smart and talented.

Amazing episode