Exactly. And of course being the source for TMZ, then taking the kids out, conveniently where paps could get clear pictures, like they are just rag dolls, just to look like a good father. So disappointed in him. IF the rumours ARE true.
@@npats550 exactly. it’s so odd that we’ve never seen him with the girls until he tried to paint her as a not present mom. now we getting pap shoots of joe with both the girls. like come on now joe you’re making it way too obvious you’re playing dirty
I've seen multiple people who didn't even know they had kids because of how well she protected them from the spotlight and he ruined it all to get paparazzi take pics of him looking like a "good father"
let’s be clear, he deliberately planned this. suggesting to take the kids because he knew she was filming in the UK, probably thought she wouldn’t catch wind of what’s swirling in american gossip when his team implied she’s not a present mother. filed for divorce in the US because the kids are to remain in the location they are at when filed, which is with him. his team was so quick to put out narratives back to back
What gets me is that during his Disney channel days his family band was made out to be “deeply religious” they’ve shown themselves half naked, sang sexually suggestive music, and now this dudes trying to lie publicly about his wife in order to gain custody of his children AND justify a divorce. All shameless sins.
Exactly my thoughts. Truly on point comment. The perfidious planning is so obvious. Distasteful and disgusting. I don't know how, but I'd like to see him being punished for all what he has done to Sophie and their daughters.
I just hate that news outlets care so much about celebrities. They’re real people too, i feel bad for their poor kids. If anyone has ever experienced their parents divorcing you know how heart wrenching it is. Hope they’re all ok.
Well depends on where you live. Even UK has mass stabbings in schools. But I doubt these rich people has to worry about anything because their kids would be in the best private schools and low crimes areas.
@@Wilbur-mj3fqcities in the US are ghetto. I live in a beautiful small town where it's safe for children to ride their bikes down the middle of the streets. A few assholes but overall a wonderful place to live
He's literally so gross. She was talking about the issues privately in her own home and he went and blew it all up. It feels so unplanned and unhinged. I feel like there's so much more to the history of Joe Jonas's villain story that we all just don't know. I pray that this coverage of him and general dislike will make others feel better about coming out about their stories of mistreatment.
That’s why he filed in the USA because he knew (even without denying her the children’s passports) that while divorce proceedings are ongoing….the court will order the children remain where they are currently located. Very calculating how he did things and tried to smear her at the same time as a bad mum 🤦♀️ he just dug his own grave, because yes though he will win temporarily by forcing them to stay in the USA but ultimately it will go against him in final proceedings…judges don’t like such underhanded ish in family courts.
Let's be clear for one moment: his team could've easily said that she was badmouthing him but noooo. They chose to keep it vague so people can speculate and the worst scenarios could be trending. I even thought she did something to the kids but then again he would've used that against her. My conclusion is: this was planned since the day he took the kids back to the US knowing that she'll be filming and that he was going on tour. And the smear campaign was a plan to get him full custody but it backfired.
I agree. I bet he pressured her into letting him take them with him, then picked a fight to use as an excuse. For all we know she could have been venting to a friend about the fight and that’s his “ring” video.
He's not doing anything wrong. He's literally just keeping the kids in their primary legal residence (the States) and Sophie is claiming "international kidnapping". Lol. For what? Keeping the kids at home? That's literally his legal obligation. Like you're not legally ALLOWED to move kids around the world DURING a divorce case. When Joe agreed to move to England before... he pictured them living as a married couple in England. But the marriage broke down. Now he doesn't want to move to England anymore. So he doesn't consent to changing their joint kids primary address anymore (it has to be a unanimous agreement by both parents). So what is he doing wrong? The Mother doesn't have any extra "control" of the kids than the Father. They are equal. And Joe Jonas is NOT moving the kids to Australia or Canada (which would require Sophie's consent). He is simply....... not doing anything. He's just staying put with the kids in their old home, not changing anything at all... (which does not require Sophie's consent, obviously.)
that being said, I met Kevin Jonas at disney world. He noticed my sister and i (19, 23) trying not to look at them and his body guard came over and asked us if we wanted to meet him. He was extremely nice and down to earth and they didn’t have to do that :)
Soo creepy he was listening to the footage of her and her friend. I don’t think the first thing they’re going to talk about is him, so I don’t think he got a notification someone was at the door at check to see who visiting. He was watching them sitting down having a convo. That’s probably not the first time he’s done that too
It’s sad. They’re two people who fell out of love and lost respect for each other. It happens. It’s so much worse when it plays out in public. I feel really sad for the kids who have to deal with the whole world knowing all the messy and painful information about their parents divorce. If Joe or his team were really the ones feeding stories to the press, they are truly shit people for turning this into a spectacle.
i still find it so weird and gross that joes team (allegedly joes team) spent weeks slandering sophie and he didn’t even speak out about it. like regardlsss of your relationship that is the mother of your children. it’s insane that he didn’t even try to say something like “even tho me and sophie are going through things rn i don’t agree with what’s being said about her” letting your team or even the media shit on her was so weird
Slightly off topic, but the idea of writing a homeowner to ask to purchase their home seems wild to me. Idk. It sounds like the house wasn't for sale to begin with. That's rich people shenanigans
You’d think but it’s become more common my friend just had to do it because she couldn’t offer more money but she could only match an offer and it made the person like her more
my guess is that it was likely already for sale or their realtor told them it would be on the market soon and they were hoping to stand out with this letter. it’s actually fairly common.
this definitely happens!! especially the way the market is now, it gets to the point that a few buyers are willing to pay top dollar so the homeowners (especially ones selling a house with a lot of sentimental value) will often try to chose people who will live in the home for a long time, a raise a family in it, and not make too many renovations rather than someone buying it as a vacation home or a rental property
I dont like weighing in but the safest place for the kids is the UK. Im sorry id never in good conscience raise my kids in the US ever. Free healthcare, free education, schools are safe, like the UK isnt without its flaws, but it is sm better than the US
@@Binstabih The UK learns about world history and that includes US history, and they can name capitols, countries, and continents. And agreed, they are less likely to get shot by a disgruntled student. If you break a limb or have to have an appendectomy, you don't have remortgage a house to do so.
I heard that on the doorbell cam, she was caught saying that the Jonas brothers actually was not that good and that Nick was the better Jonas brother of the group 😂
It’s precisely guys like him who complain the most about family court and then they try and pull underhanded shit like this that violates all prearranged, written agreements, in order to spitefully control their partners and children. The loudest “victims” in society. And then they peg the Mother as being the one doing it. Anything to get out of your responsibilities as easily as possible.
i saw so many people saying that this is proof of "gaylor" but like what a gross time to assume someones sexuality, i would do this for any friend if i had the means necessary. Its kinda scary that it implies yall dont care about helping your friends unless they are your partner
So tired of this little princess! And no, I’m not talking about Sophie. This MFer broke up with his wife and mother of his 2 children through social media and is desperate to look like the good parent? Gross! Despicable behavior!
That part about breaking up with his wife on social media is an obvious lie because they had a fight that triggered the divorce on his birthday few weeks before hand and she literally made an Instagram post on social media less than 24hrs to the divorce filing that she posted she mutually and amicably ended their marriage as a united decision. You don't post something like that if you didn't agree to the divorce. Plus based on the divorce documents it literally said it was mutual decision. If she actually believe her husband wrongfully abducted her kids and wrongfully filed a divorce process she could literally filed the Hague lawsuit in UK forcing the kids and Joe to travel to the UK for the court hearing. She only filed the Hague lawsuit after she was in NY talking with the lawyers and how the lawyer literally told them both there is a court order that prevent the kids from leaving the country while in the process of a divorce and the lawyer was holding the passports to prevent them from breaking the law. If the divorce was filed in the UK the same thing would had happened. They would be charged with international kidnapping if they attempt to take the kids out of the country without settling their divorce and custody agreements. Plus Joe made a statement agreeing to share custody and responsibilities and doesn't mind kids living in both UK and US. Sophie hasn't agreed to shared custody and she also made statements about how Joe promised her the UK property and how he put down 10% down payment on her dream home and wrote a real estate love letter to make the purchase. The house is under contingency until December and if Joe backs down on paying for the house Sophie will be responsible for the property if she stills want it. And based on her networth she can't afford the €9 million UK home because her networth is only $12 million. She also signed a Prenup so she won't be able to get any money from Joe. This whole case sounds like she want full custody so she could get Joe to pay for her living situation in the UK through child support. It's also really hard to enforce payment for alimony and child support through international divorces.
what makes this so sad is how the kids are being pawns throughout this whole thing Sophie never wanted her kids out in the media and it takes one second for joe to show his kids it shows his attention to this whole lawsuit everything for a publicity stunt to make his argument sound better then Sophie
My grown son said his first thought, when the news broke, is that Joe Jonas has another woman. That’s why he filed and that’s why he tried to smear her, so she’d look like the bad guy and not him.
Seems on the surface that Joe calculated this move in a sneaky way and his team was very deceitful. They were obviously going to live and raise the children in England. That should be what happens. Not cool Joe 😒 I hope Sophie gets custody and the girls are raised in the UK as it will be much better for them. Sad Joe’s team chose to put this out in the public. Poor Sophie as she is usually not about the media being in her business. So sad.
when it comes to public figures and theyre kids and court cases. they really should be protected more if thats the wishes of the parents and yeah, I hope there is change for that
Here you can get almost anything on a state case through the freedom of information act. Marriages and divorces are usually public record tho. In the UK the privacy laws are different
I don't think he ever planned this to be settled privately. He wanted to blast her in the media. At least from my point of view. What happened to a human decency...?!?🤦🏻♀️
Oh dear I am so sad to hear their kids got exposed. I am not sure if UK is like us where court documents are public, but I would hope with any trials whether celebrity or not kids names should not be public.
I really feel for their daughters (names should have stayed private they’re minors for fucks sake.) to watch their parents like this in the media, I hope they are able to hide some of this from them. It must be so hard on them 😢
Very true observation. One could argue that she has no obligation to say anything because it's not her marriage. At the same time- she too used to cover up her baby's face on social media too, for privacy- as Sophie did, but Joe didn't respect the mother's decision on that, if it proved that he was a better parent. This whole situation has icky, messy vibes, and despite liking and thinking the guy was nice and decent before...this makes me question that.
This whole divorce has nothing to do with feminism. It's just 2 rich adults can't agreeing with each other and they want what they want. Just shared custody already, she can live in UK with her kids half the time and He can have the kids live in the US half the time. Both of them literally made public statements on social media agreeing to the divorce as a mutually decision. Back tracking now and lying is just a contradiction. Anyone getting involved in other people's petty disagreements are just fueling the drama for the public especially making it so high profile and obvious PR stunt. Priyanka Chopra just isn't getting into other people's private affairs because it's not about her and she won't make it about her. Unlike someone else who literally make anything a high profile drama just being involved.
I mean it’s none of her business. I don’t involve myself in my sisters relationship details because it’s not my business. They’re adults. It’s also bold to assume that she hasn’t said anything behind doors, why would she announce that out loud when it’s something that shouldn’t even be public.
I think Sophie is keeping her issues with him close to the vest. To me it appears Joe does not look healthy. He looks gaunt and very thin to me. His skin looks a little sallow too. I would not be surprised to find out he is spiraling.
That's normal. We met the couple who preo-wned our house a few times. Even for dinner. Not that we liked them so much, we just did the best to get our dream house
There are strict child protection laws when it comes to court cases involving children in the UK that restrict media from publishing any identitify information about a child. so in the UK I'm quite sure it is illegal for any media outlet to publish a name of a child from a court case unless the court allows it. Media publishing a name with out consent from a court document would definitely be a scandal. (Its also important to note that countries in the UK all have their own legislative framework on childprotection and safeguarding but I think it's the same in England)
My whole this is why can’t they be civil!? It’s CHILDREN INVOLVED. Somebody should be the bigger person for the sake of the kids. It’s annoying as hell.
It’s weird asf too expose their baby name the disrespect is real and the obsession over this divorce I couldn’t imagine going through this in the public eye
As someone who also has a 1 and 3 year old right now myself (around the same ages as their kids), I can tell you they are too young to decide this right now 😂😅
I’m not a celebrity, not a person with major wealth. But I have a child. I’m sorry both of them failing! Father on tour with his band, mother filming a movie or series. So what Nannie’s raising their kids come on. Even to say relatives raising them isn’t cool! Aside from the divorce I’m sorry for their kids
Someone who uses the children as pawns should not have custody. Their best interest is not in his heart. He is using them to be in control and have the power over sophie.
This is gonna work like I don’t understand why Taylor Swift his ex girlfriend is giving her an apartment Clearly, somethings going on, because why would she accept it if she is a successful actress ?
Taylor is letting Sophie and the girls stay in her extra apartment (which is an investment property for Taylor) because Sophie and her daughters were staying in a hotel for the time being, due to the fact that she had planned to take them back to the UK instead of staying in New York. Since the plans changed so abruptly with Joe filing for divorce behind Sophie’s back and Joe withholding the girls’ passports, Sophie needed temporary accommodations while this custody and living situation is figured out in the courts.
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Man who cares, he doesn’t want his kid living that far from him and we all know how u.k court works, look at amber heard. At the end of the day they’re rich and they’ll keep living and they have support from their rich friends.
I can understand how joes opinion changed on living in england. I wouldn’t want to move to my exs native land when my support system in in the United States. I would only want to live in the uk if I was with my partner. I don’t think the note should hold weight to be honest. But I also think one should live in ny and one in uk and just travel
I don’t get how you think it’s weird that people are fascinated by celebrity baby names? Your entire career revolves around reporting useless celebrity news
i’m not in favor of joe at all but with that being said, i’m not a fan of sophie thinking the kids should STILL alive out their lives in the uk after they separated. that might have been the plan when they were together, things changed and it’s not fair to joe nor those kids to have them live full time in the uk.
@@caketropolis that doesn’t really matter tbh and from what I’ve seen/heard, they haven’t been in the uk for awhile, they’ve been in the us while their mom was working in the uk. I’m not saying they shouldn’t ever go back, but the custody should be equal. They’re both financially stable and present in their children’s lives, one parent shouldn’t limit the other parent in this situation. As a child of divorce, it’s only going to mess with them
For everyone sad about their “poor children” … they will be fine. Everyone experiences trauma and strife to some degree. The difference is their children will still have money to bail them out.
Taylor needs to mind her own business and not get involved with an ex and his ex wife that’s so petty and problematic she’s using Sophie to upset joe but it’s fine cuz Sophie is in the news more. Mutually benefiting
No she don't. Both Taylor and Sophie are litterlay freinds since forever so NO and also how is she getting involved. She's just hanging out with Sophie that's literally it. It's not that big of a deal. But also Joe started all the reporting and saying shiht to the media so do yall just expect sophie to just ignore it. Like cmon now😂
I don't think she's trying to upset anyone here, she can be Joe's ex AND Sophie's friend simultaneously. I mean it is perfectly fine and nice of Taylor to help a friend out in such a difficult time though. She hasn't even commented on anything since it isn't her place.
