I mean if you put Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime in the room they would both look like beta males. I can agree with Adams point even if it’s poorly executed. I think even Rogan agreed with that part. Where Adam was insanely wrong if on the fact that men prefer women with hour-glass shaped women. They proved it with meta-data that included thousands of years of artworks from cultures all over that world that depicted the ideal women. Every time in every culture women with hour-glass shaped bodies were depicted.
Alpha and Beta doesn’t mean anything. I’m way bigger than both these men and probably more aggressive, but it’s possible to be a genetic Alpha and a financial Beta.
Im here thinking how the fuck could he think this, being a man and all but, regardless of the sexual orientation but some men would cut off their dicks because they dont feel right and i would kill myself if i just woke up someday with suddenly peeing through a hole with not even having a tiny dick 😀 so i guess thats two entirely different type of genders not just a different man and not all women like the strong masculine tall mother fucker but that only happen after a horrible relationship with one, then she starts finding what she wants in a smart guy with no masculine side and she would be okay with it , heck, women could even date motherfuckin ugly guys, but for me i would never want to be an Adam typa man stuttering and saying something is not when it is actually is, look at these two men and ask men who would they want to be!
@joli7948John has actually dealt with all that and then some. Adam wouldn’t be able to put up with what he’s survived. And how dare you make assumptions about my guy over here. I guess you betas have to stick together huh. Now calm down and go sit in the timeout spot to cool down
Exactly!! This reminds me of the part in the podcast where Adam said “the only reason men are better at sports is because they were designed for men” and then was flabbergasted when joe simply disagreed. I think that the effect he’s talking about happens when people identify with their beliefs, which causes them to want to be right rather than want to find the truth, which is exactly what Adam does. He majorly lacks humility especially in comparison to joe, which is necessary if you want to actually find the truth.
It's true that it depends. There is confident and comfortable people that are total idiots, that attract women in contexts that favors it. A professional athlete can't attract the same amount of women for example in a Justin Bieber concert or an American Football concert
The point he was making is everyone is confident and comfortable in one thing and not in another. The "Alpha" football jock in high school would probably be a "Beta" to the captain of the chess club if they were playing chess and vice versa. And so the girls in the chess club would probably be more attracted to chess nerd and see HIM as the "alpha" while the girls who like football players would be more attracted to the other. Humans too damn complex to fall into all encompassing categories my dude.
Playing dungeons and dragons is a all round work out for him.... Guess you never rolled a 36 sided dice until drop drown from too much exercise to get the perfect beta male body
@@eaStudioHD I don't know what Rich did so I am not going to get him and if he is working out in the gym he could be dangerous unless he drinks soya milk
@@eaStudioHD How about both, you fool? Plenty of rich people go to the gym, in fact most of them do. It's the smart thing to do. How about quit making excuses and improve yourself?
an alpha is something when something in their life is not satisfying them they work towards improving it. They are acutely aware that the time is now to fix the things that arent right in their lifes. a beta is someone who wallows in self-pity and blames the world when something in their life is unsatisfying, because its easier than working on yourself and admitting you have faults that must be fixed I don't know why people overcomplicate it by adding dating dynamics towards it.
@@MovieGuy666 There's a major flaw in that thought process: There are far more athletes than there are boy bands. Numerically, athleticism far outshines anything else in terms of female attraction.
@@MovieGuy666 Fame and Money are up there 2, but the one thing these things have in common are that they all allow, the man to exhibit power over others.
The ideology of alphas existing are flawed and cute to say the least guys are not getting the bigger picture. Sure you might be bigger or stronger and look more like a girl with you're cute ass genes but no alpha male is going to stop a skinny dude or woman slitting his throat wide open in his sleep or from behind. The principles of an alpha is so flawed and that's if we think exist, an alpha would be one who is smarter regardless of size and looks and uses his brain not a dumb comparison to a big animal who cannot think when it comes to the 21st century Mr joe and allot of girls will in def choose the guy with a brain in the long run who can actually provide trust me. And in terms of woman it's the exact same scenario, sure she will look pretty but if your kids are DUMB AF regardless of how good they look you're going down the FOODCHAIN and IQ levels will drop in def, Mr alphas rofl...
@@rpvenomrp You forgot to put the money and fame into the equation... Nobody cares if the male is smart or dumb if he has 100 mil deposited in his bank account (In the case of the manlet Joe) and he is famous
This WHOLE video comes down to THIS - the alpha stays calm, confident and letting the other speak while the beta is emotional, all over the place and talks fast to seem more confident and knowledgeable.
While I don't believe in alpha and beta, there is a clear hirarchy in society and social situations, its absurd to say it isnt. I was always a pretty insecure dude and since I broke up with my ex I started working out and facing my fears. Its really strange what formal clothing, a few muscles and a confident smile can do for you, people now very much respect me and dont take advance of the good guy in me. What is more strange is that I had horrible anxiety and OCD and it is gone because my self worth and convidence is way higher. My advice for all the guys in the 'beta' situation: 1. Go do something your pasionate about. 2. Work out, eat healthy. 3. Practise to stand up for yourself, against stronger people than you think you are. 4. Don't show your insecurity in social situations, learn to cope with them in a healthy manner and try to see them as nothing more than an insecurity and not reality. 5. Believe your worth is, because you are like everyone else. 6. Fix your finances. 7. Treat woman with respect but never ever simp.
bier when small men talk well, are good story tellers, and are entertaining and have charisma, and are successful comedians,are they alpha or beta? is Danny DeVito a beta? .....when someone leads the conversation and everybody in he group listens to him, is he alpha? what if some people listening are bored and just don't want to tell him that his talking is petty gossip... is he still alpha?when some people stay quiet and confident and don't feel any need to join gossipy shallow conversations, are they alpha or beta?..When athletic tall muscular people stutter and not talk much and are shy, are they alpha or beta?
There is a hirarchy in many things but, if you read my comment, I don't believe in the alpha or beta thing. You can be dominant in a lot of situations but not in others. I am a short guy myself haha. I think it is better for people to focus on becoming a better version of themself in stead of the whole alpha or beta thing, we are not a group of wolves, humans are complex. But some people don't aknowledge that there is a hirarchy between men and to that I would say, go to a bar, club or any other social situation where people have more primitive behaviors and observe for yourself.
Yeah but it has nothiong to do with a fixed ideal like Joe was trying to say out of his own insecurity. This guy was trying to explain but Joe was too triggered and kept talking over him. No Joe, being a confident failed college athlete will not make you more socially dominant than a introverted millionare who owns a massive company.
As a woman, I am attracted to strong, conservative minded men. I want someone who wants me to be a strong, feminine woman. Old school values, without control struggles. It has more to do with mindset and a sense of balance. I want a mentally balanced man.
Women are attracted to confidence and strength, timidness and weakness aren't attractive at all. To men those things barely make a difference. Adam desperately wants attraction to be equal across sexes.
As a woman, I am not attracted to that and love the thoght of an equal parter who'll take care of half the housechores gladly because that's the type of relationship they want. Who likes my food and isn't on some extream diet bc I am one of the people (who men and woman do that) love cooking. I like cuddeling and idk if you've noticed some body fat is way more cozy. And all of that dosn't really matter bc I still fell in love w a men I was writing w on the interent who I had no idea how he lookes or anything, just that he's smart and attentive and in some strange way saw some things like me that made me feel seen. What's to say Aplha males are so much fucking bs
In the same way an alpha ain’t gotta brag on himself, if u an alpha, other ppl will brag on you for you.... that’s even biblical... don’t brag or boast on yoself!!! That’s super beta ish
I don’t think introvert belongs on the negative list. Obama is an introvert. Tom Hanks is an introvert. Just to name a couple of famous people. Also, introvert and shy are two different traits. There are introverts who are not shy.
@@berserk972 Bullying is a process of character development. You have to face your inadequacies in order to develop yourself as a better man (money, muscles, and courage). What someone like Adam would do is use rationalization in order to hide from their inadequacies rather than face them. This is the easy path of cowardice.
@@alexbarnes9364 People are always gonna have inadequacies stand out and adversity in life without bullies. Most people develop character If they have a bully as a kid or not. If anything you guys encouraging giving into bullies shows how little character you actually have.
Wtf dude! Are you seriously justifying bullying as character building and say rather than stand up to it or ignore you should look at your own inadequacies or you’re a coward!? I really hope you don’t have kids and if you don’t do us all favour and don’t have any 👍
He seriously went on a weird path defending his post. Yeah I agree "alpha" and "beta" are basic and false. But Joe is absolutely right about attraction.
@@Ubernaught012 Joe's only half right though. Society and media absolutely manipulate what we find attractive. You can Google a chart depicting Ideal Body Shapes throughout the ages. And wealth and social standing probably count for more now. If a woman had to choose between Joe Rogan or Jeff Bezos as a partner, Joe would be like "But wait! What about my muscles?! And my need to dominate others?! I'm so lonely!"
If men aren't attracted to women with small waists large breasts and women arent attracted to men with height and large muscles, then why do advertisers use them to sell unrelated stuff? Someone should tell them this is incorrect and that they could sell so much more product with short, fat men. That protein supplement would sell way better.
@hyeboi Being 5'7 is a small sacrifice for being confident enough to be a top commentator, knowing how to fight, being in shape, generally does not stutter, etc.
The ideology of alphas existing are flawed and cute to say the least guys are not getting the bigger picture. Sure you might be bigger or stronger and look more like a girl with you're cute ass genes but no alpha male is going to stop a skinny dude or woman slitting his throat wide open in his sleep or from behind. The principles of an alpha is so flawed and that's if we think exist, an alpha would be one who is smarter regardless of size and looks and uses his brain not a dumb comparison to a big animal who cannot think when it comes to the 21st century Mr joe and allot of girls will in def choose the guy with a brain in the long run who can actually provide trust me. And in terms of woman it's the exact same scenario, sure she will look pretty but if your kids are DUMB AF regardless of how good they look you're going down the FOODCHAIN and IQ levels will drop in def, Mr alphas rofl...
I spent my 20s as an introverted, socially awkward geeky type. I quit smoking at 29, moved halfway across the country, kick started my career, and got in the best physical shape of my life at 35. I start earning 6 figures at 38. Even if Alpha and Beta designations were scientifically applicable to humans (they are not), the designations were never applicable for life. I've seen plenty of women who were fine af in high school wind up fat af by 35. Life circumstances (and classifications) are a reflection of choices, environment, & genetics.
An alpha is the leader of any given social hierarchy. It's dependent on context and therefore the fact that it changes over time or the social group one is in is not an argument against its existence in humans. I really don't get people's twisting logic into pretzels to deny the fact that leaders, dominant people, apexes, heads, alphas, (or whatever word one uses) undeniablly exist within groups of humans.
@ranman7688 I never denied that leadership exists in personal or professional hierarchies. I simply state that the term "alpha" should never have been applied because the scientist who originally coined the term and applied it to wolf interactions later in his life realized and admitted that his conclusions were erroneous due to his observation subjects being wolves in captivity. There are, in the wild, in the real world, no alpha wolves. So, again, restate it makes zero sense to apply that specific term to any human interactions. The connotation of the word "alpha" is false because it is based on observation of an unnatural, controlled environment wherein the wolves were effectively forced into their hierarchies.
Adam should have just left it as "The social construct of alpha and beta isn't based on science. Women are attracted to confidence, a trait often attributed to stronger men, but a physically weak, but smart man, confident in his field, would generate the same attractiveness". Instead he was just trying to argue physical features of both men and women we evolved to find attractive don't exist, is just absurd.
the hourglass thing Joe speaking about is not an inherent evolutionary preference e.g. in ancient greece big boobs were considered fugly, there are some african tribes where long saggy tits are the shit, and somewhere on a planet there is a male beauty pageant where biggest dadbod wins all the pussy. and i bet throughout time there were lots of weird preferences coming and going like fashion, hell, even like 20 years ago no one (except black americans maybe, dunno) thought of big asses as hot, and now it's all about the hips, babe (or its just me getting older and attracted to milfs, lol)
Yup and the experiment is done on RU-vid. The difference between a couple thousand views to a couple million is a girl with nice tits on a thumbnail lmao
The confirmation bias and the beliefs that form ones identity is an interesting topic especially when it comes to science. As recent years have shown, that creeps into what we once though was an unbiased, facts-based area and has made us all skeptical of how unbiased and trustworthy many people in the scientific community truly are.
@@FrappuccinoAlfredo I am referring to this video. That is why I am commenting here. As do you. You literally said, that there is an alpha male and a beta male in THIS video.
@@DaniilShevelev Adam didn't make any points. He kept making absurd assertions then tried to run with them. Joe only challenged his nonsense. He tried to claim women wouldn't find an athletic man attractive. Yeah, watch how women react when they see an athletic man & tell me he's not full of shit.
Both men made some interesting points. I don't completely agree or disagree with either of them and i have a few reasons for that. While i do agree with Joe that men and women are attracted to a certain body type, i don't think that's set in stone for every member of the species. An athletic build is attractive to almost every human, but there are exceptions. Where i have a problem with Joe is that i think he can't see past that. That athletic physique will get you noticed but there's a lot more to attraction than just physique, i.e. intellect, social skills, etc. I agree with Adam when he says we cannot just say 'evolutionary psychology' everytime we find a behaviour trait that's common in current society. Where i find a problem with Adam is that i think he's denying the fact that people are generally attracted to an athletic physique. However, the bottom line is that we try to boil down a very complicated subject like sexual attraction in humans to a very simple theory of alphas and betas. But we've heard alpha and beta for so long from so many different sources that now we often vehemently oppose anyone who questions the legitimacy of that theory.
I can't help but feel that the view of no such thing as Beta and Alpha, is just another part of our modern way of thinking, when we're trying so hard not to hurt anyone's feelings. There may not be strict Alphas and Betas, but there certainly are more dominant individuals and more submissive ones. That's not a bad thing, it just is. To argue against that makes one sound ignorant of reality.
That's exactly what they are both saying - scientifically there's no such thing as alpha and beta males in the evolutionary hierarchy of humans, but they both agree that more dominant and more submissive individuals exist. However, Adam is also making the point that if you change the environment that those individuals are in, then that may have a dramatic effect on those individuals' dominance and confidence. He doesn't articulate it well, but I get the point he is making.
@@FostuRKid He was saying that people who believed in Alphas and Betas in human society are backed by bad science. This bad science justifies their untrue beliefs of there being a social heirarchy. Bad science also justified slavery. Science at one time said that black people were less than white people and genetically inferior so them being slaves wasn't bad. They were made to be servants. Again, this bad science justified racist ideas.
@@Creeshawn "being in good shape and confident generally makes people more attractive." "AND THAT'S WHY AFRICAN SLAVERY HAPPENED!" Wait, what? One is an observance of the general population's tendencies to sexual attractiveness and the other was bullshit propaganda to gain forced cheap labor. There is almost no smooth transition from one to the other. Its just pointless straw man arguments. Why make it racial? Adam is a moron.
Listen don't attack Dungeons & Dragons players. One is married to Sofia Vergara. She isn't as young as she use to be. But she still can melt a stick of butter in the middle of a blizzard by looking at it.
Sean Hannity actually doesn't believe in climate change tho. And while Adam didn't know for sure (which is never 100% possible), it was a pretty safe assumption. He just changed it to an example of someone who's career had an emphasis on climate change above all else.
franklinbadge1215 actually hannity has admitted it is happening he just doesn't know if it's because of human impact. We don't have solid data to make a conclusion that it is directly because of human impact.
10:08 “When someone is told a fact that contradicts a really deeply held belief, it can cause them to disbelieve it, even if its true, and fight back even harder” The lack of self awareness is incredible
The ideology of alphas existing are flawed and cute to say the least guys are not getting the bigger picture. Sure you might be bigger or stronger and look more like a girl with you're cute ass genes but no alpha male is going to stop a skinny dude or woman slitting his throat wide open in his sleep or from behind. The principles of an alpha is so flawed and that's if we think exist, an alpha would be one who is smarter regardless of size and looks and uses his brain not a dumb comparison to a big animal who cannot think when it comes to the 21st century Mr joe and allot of girls will in def choose the guy with a brain in the long run who can actually provide trust me. And in terms of woman it's the exact same scenario, sure she will look pretty but if your kids are DUMB AF regardless of how good they look you're going down the FOODCHAIN and IQ levels will drop in def, Mr alphas rofl...
@@rpvenomrp Buddy what are you on about? With your same logic what's stopping anyone from slitting the guy with a big brains throat when he's not looking? An alpha is just a social position held generally by attractive confident men who are fairly smart and they tend to "win" in social situations and attract more women as a result. You sound like you have some coping to do lol.
He says that men are indoctrinated to what to be attracted to as a kid, and people like him also like to push these certain storytimes in schools and libraries.....
Lmao the whole video I'm like how doesn't this dude realize he's living in a real life example of an alpha vs beta. Joe had to have had that thought cross his mind.
One thing that's always bothered me about alpha/beta deniers is that they always stick to the wolf comparison. "Well actually wolves organize into family units and the so-called 'alphas' are really the parents. Then the children move away and start their own packs and become their own alphas." Okay, sure. I question that declaration, but I won't argue with it. But do you know where you _can_ see a clear alpha/beta social structure? In our closest living relatives. Chimpanzee clans always have leaders and subordinates. That's an observed pattern. Why wouldn't we be like chimps?
1. It doesnt matter if you see a clear alpha/beta social structure in chimpanzees, do you see that social structure in humans? 2. You wanna know why we wouldn't be like chimps? Because our evolutionary lineages have diverged millions of years ago. Chimps have not made their own language and writing system, nation-states, or a rocket that can fly to the moon, so we can assume that there are some big differences between how our brains work.
Firstly it doesn’t matter if you “question that declaration” lol, it’s been proven false, and discredited by the scientist who originally posited the Alpha-male pack theory amongst wolves in the first place. It does not exist. Embrace it and move on. Chimpanzees social hierarchies are complex and aren’t simply about who is the strongest and most aggressive. Some alphas maintain leadership via fostering alliances through grooming and other social interactions, they lead because they are the most intelligent, not simply because they have the biggest muscles or listen to the most podcasts. So we are just like our closest relatives, complex.
People are not attracted to the sports stars simply because they're in good shape it has a lot more to do with them being popular famous and rich as well. Many farmers are in phenomenal shape but you don't see the women lining up
Adam is right though, this Alpha beta ideology doesn't account for how humans ostracize overly dominant and demanding character traits as being anti-social. Joe is mostly right about the hr glass figure being consistently the beauty standard, however different circumstances call for different beauty standards, in times of conflict, women with more masculine traits tend to be seen as more attractive, and there is a correlation between social class and male preferences for boob size and women's body fat percentage. Your dominance changes all the time, go to the gym and you'll see people benching 100s of pounds, while you struggle with just benching the ba, then you go to work where your a mid tier manager. Adam is right but he's fucking terrible at defending his arguments Also all the top tech companies of the world are run buy people with beta traits. Bill gates doesn't exactly exude dominance
@@Ozzyisunavailable adam isn't right at all. He tries to come at it from a "scientific" standpoint but most of the people i have heard talk about beta males and alpha malss say that it is sociological, meanwhile he is strawmanning the idea and arguing something that isn't being contested
Well he shouldn’t, Adam himself buys into that intersectional sudo science ideology, I liked some of his videos in the past but it’s clear that a lot of his videos are driven by ideology and not actual scientific and statistical facts, I’ve seen episodes where he makes massive statements based on race and completely ignores statistics probably because he doesn’t want to look racist 🤦🏻♂️
Any alpha automatically become beta in presence of hierarchically higher individual. Would Joe be an alpha in presence of President of USA? He is not an alpha even in presence of Dana White.
Like the perfect woman 100 years ago would be too chubby for the standard of today, and I mean TOO chubby. The antopologic truth is that homo sapiens evolved to life in society by killing the alpha males in the groups, hence broading the collaboration to live in bigger tribes and then nation.
I agree witb Adam, Ive literally had multiple times were people think im gay because im hanging out with a close friend. Do people dont have best friends anymore??
Adam- "Women aren't hardwired to be attracted to strong muscular athletic men" Me- "if you were a strong, muscular, athletic man, you wouldn't be saying that, guaranteed.
Zephyr is right! A woman will marry a beta, or a rich guy, because of security, but will be sexualy atracted to a masculine man, she might get pregnant with that guy, if are not on the pill, women tend to pick more masculine man...we tend to scan the body of a man in 60 seconds, and after we can sence his personal smell, we know if we want to have sex with him or not...the shoulder to hip ratio is important, the shape of the jaw line, the size of the hands and the teeth...
@Zephyr In the case of humans, this isn't always true though. That's why in the beginning of the video Adam said it's not a scientific statement. A scientific statement cannot be true if even 1 evidence is found contradictory regardless of how much supporting evidence you have. The fact that homosexuality exists contradicts that statement. The fact that some people are in love with people with disabilities/illnesses contradicts your statement. And so many more. That statement is only 100% true to non-human species because unlike humans, those species are more simple and bounded by nature. Humans are very complex, free willed, and have consciousness.
