I love how this Dan fella is trying as politely as possible to break it to Joe that tripping on pot cookies while taking a salt bath in the dark isn't meditation.🤣
It astounds me how Sam just drops this complete 5-minute bomb on the nature of the mind and does it so eloquently and they don't even engage him on it whatsoever.
Though I wish they all could have engaged with what he said more, I thought that it was absolutely fucking hilarious that joe just starts talking about "apps" immediately afterward.
@@leonardogeorgecarrai9476 The tank is a sensory deprivation tank which is a dark, soundproof tank filled with salt water, it is designed so there is no external stimulation when you are in it. Apparently being inside it is very relaxing and decreases anxiety and depression
We gonna act like sam Harris mid video monologue wasn’t the most insightful and clear definition of the benefits of meditation and understanding the perceptive nature of the self
@@peekaygaikwad4117 actually I think that the whole purpose of his explanation was to help people with no experience gain a basic understanding of what meditation can do for you. That's usually the hardest part, explaining what it is and what it does. That was my issue for the longest time. People who didn't really know what it is were trying (and failing) to describe it to me, so it's benefits were lost on me. Also, why bother making an explanation that's intended for people who already know what it is. I think he did an excellent job.
@@MuhammadAliGOAT I think 10:40 is good, but watch the whole thing. It's not that long. I've been trying to meditate at least every day (my goal is 20 minutes after waking and 20 minutes before sleep), but it's probably been more like every other day lol. But that's fine, it's always a work in progress no matter where you are. It's for sure helped me deal with the whole shelter in place situation. Don't make it a chore or a thing to stress about though (you probably will at first but that's ok). The meditative state itself is as much the goal as all the benefits that result from it.
@@michaelfranciotti3900 thank you for your detailed reply, you should start off small though.. setting yourself 20 minutes becomes a chore.. start off for 1 minute and do that for a few weeks and then when you feel its not enough, spend longer and increase over time.. do you roll out of bed and meditate? because meditation is the same as prayer and sometimes I will roll out of bed into prayer (meditation) and I am still all hazy because my body is adjusting to the 'reality' I have now awoken back into and while my body is adjusting my thoughts, I am praying/meditating.. I don't know if this is more powerful than doing other things first, but I like to believe its when we are most connected to the source (also like to think if you have fasted all night and have not eaten, that the connection is more powerful and pure)
I've meditated for a few years and I'm not super articulate when I'm talking, usually only when writing but I don't think meditation has changed that. I'm only 23 so maybe in a decade or so, I swear people who are like 50 are always articulate and say what they mean.
@@ravishingravi started probably in 2015 or 2016, usually do it daily for 10 mins or so, or just spread out through the day in 20 second bursts of just bringing my attention to my breath and that's it. Sometimes I've gone a few months without doing anything so that's not great! Lol
I kinda saw Joes reaction of more like "he just shut up and let the guy talk" cause he sensed something good. Most interviewers would have interupted or interjected, shows his experience.
Sam: *drops 5 solid minutes of enlightened dialogue about the mind, pain, suffering and the goals of meditation* Joe: "So, you guys have like, apps, right?"
@@Competitive_Antagonist It was my understanding that this is what Hindus, Buddhists, and other Eastern religions have been teaching for ages. I'm not any of those, so I'm not super sure myself.
@@Austin-on4zr This is what is bad about Sam Harris. Just because some old religion said it, doesn't make it true. Mindfulness is mostly just modernised relious teachings.
Thanks for this. Becuase listening to Rogan talk about using meditation to work on stand up and jujitsu - and by meditation, he means drugs - was really beginning to make me cringe.
I Was never really open to the idea of meditation. Thought it was for weak people or something but after practicing it for a couple weeks Im noticing a huge difference in my ability to control my anger and block out a lot of negativity I encounter everyday. Thanks for the awesome conversation!
Meditation is not an easy thing to do as I imagine most would presume, once you attempt it it's really amazing how difficult it is to sit still and calm your mind from all the ambience of the day.
I used to cringe at the thought of meditation. But i also suffered depression, adhd and ptsd almost my whole life. Ive been doing it for almost a month, and i find myself not getting angry or depressed at the same shit anymore. Also ive gotten so much better sitting still. My adhd is slowly going away and im fuckin happy. Better memory, being able to sit still, being able to focus.
Sam's explanation was beautiful. Mindfulness lets you perceive thoughts as movements into consciousness in the same way that sounds or sights are. You perceive them as states of awareness, not as part of your identity, just like how you would feel with feeling the air against your skin. Once you disassociate yourself from your thoughts, you are able to experience reality in a way that is more observant, and your thinking becomes clearer and more purposeful. Meditation isn't some religious cult. It's just a reformation of the mind in a way that is more conducive towards one's psychological well being. I think everyone should give meditation a try. It's requires no money and very little time, and the effects are profound, as research has shown. I haven't even been at it that long and I've already begun to escape the grips of depression.
Nathanael you can find plenty of sadhus in some northern Shaivite hinduism that smoke copious amounts of ganja in their bhakti yoga practice (though plenty of other traditions within and without hinduism would oppose this). Even some sufis use ganja
I have/had severe debilitating OCD and have almost completely overcame it with mindfulness..... feel like I'm living in a completely different world now... have not felt so present in years and years...... I'm glad its helping with ur depression
I've been a regular meditator for more than 7 years. This is so great, there's so much distilled meditation wisdom in these 23 minutes. Completely worth rewatching this now and then to remind yourself of the basics
that thing Sam Harris said about pain makes so much sense. Maybe that's why you can't tickle yourself? within the conceptual framework, you know when you are going to stop, and so when the feeling stops. so you actually get no feeling at all. mad.
@@Nathan-tg4gu not necessarily true, if ur going to hurt urself most of the time you would think about two things: what action are you going to do? and at what intensity level? you can choose how intense the act is but not when the pain (physical and emotional) will stop, consequential pain as well is something to consider. The pain caused by the consequences of the action (for ex. parents divorce, someone you love died, etc.) versus an instantaneous feeling you have full control and ease to make stop
I simultaneously laughed and facepalmed at just the inelegance of that statement after such a powerful description of the key aspects of proper meditation
I meditated for 30 minutes and then saw this video to learn more... and now, the incorrect spelling of meditation on this 3 year old video is bugging me a little. Funnily enough to make a comment... that no one might ever read... hoping someone might read it and relate or... you know what? Have a good day.
"Gerbils are naturally found in the sandy plains of Africa, Asia and the Middle East. The gerbil was originally known as a desert rat until they were commercially introduced to North America and bred as pets. The gerbil is a small rodent, similar in many ways to by the mouse and the hamster." Googled it.
You ever heard of Myamoto Musashi. His philosophy when it came to fighting was to fight as if you were already dead, so that you can strike with zero inhibitions. The point being that if you do not fear death and accept it as if you already were dead, that you would fight to your fullest potential without fear. I believe it’s safe to say that he was enlightened.
@@TheRealHerbaSchmurba 'Brahman' means 'expansion', used to denote the way in which the Universe was created, to denote absolute reality, and to denote abiding joy. Joy feels like expansion. Maybe Brahman is where I was, the first time I had a breakthrough in meditation (by accident). It felt like my self expanding to fill the whole world, and joy growing in proportion. Everything I had lived until then was satisfied, there. I saw no reason to continue living in this world, except for the challenge to see if it was possible to live in the world and yet have that joy. After that time, I've learnt and have been thankful for much, but it seemed to me like it would not be a tragedy if I died. Everything after was like surplus time, a post-game. The life that sought justification ended there.
Yamikaiba123 hmm interesting. I know what you mean when you talk about dying, coming from a place of contentment. However it would be a crime not to share that joy with others. Kudos.
There's a very real stigma around meditation and mindfulness under the assumption that it does not equate to any REAL results or changes in one's life, and I know this because I once subscribed to this stigma. I can say 100%, though, that anyone contemplating the effectiveness of mindful meditation, or anyone who is contemplating giving it a try, should give it a try (and keep trying, because no one can pick up a guitar and instantly be a virtuoso). Given enough exposure and practice, I believe that anyone can reap its benefits (and there are many, hidden benefits). It's had a real, profound effect on me, and I'm still only a novice at it.
3:35 this happened to me when I was on lsd for the first time and it taught me how to stop being anxious. I seen myself acting out within myself, essentially actively attempting to change who I am, and how I do things
The example Sam explains about our interpretation of pain or the “framework” we put around pain is such a key concept to understand. For example, Goggins talks about how he used to let all his pain and suffering be his reason for being stuck at where he was at. And it wasn’t until he changed his framework around that pain to be a motivator that he changed his life. Perspective is key!
I love the awareness that Joe has brought to floating. I own a float spa in redondo beach and I can tell you Joe is correct in what he says, but floating can also allow for profound meditation which is what many of our members do and what he appears to allude to as one of his goals in the tank depending on what he is working on. Think of the tank as a powerful tool that can be used for various things. We have athletes go through visualizations and sequences, creatives exploring ideas and letting other ideas manifest from deep within, etc... and my favorite - pure unadulterated meditation. By reducing the distractions and external stimuli, meditation can be enhanced, especially for those who have limited meditative experience. To be able to learn how to dissociate from your ego, escape the pattern of compulsive thoughts and constant thinking, and access a larger collective consciousness is indescribably liberating. This intrinsic awareness that allows you to be interconnected and merge with anything and everything is truly profound. An infinite ocean of knowledge and deeper truth. Hope this helps and doesn't sound too woo woo! Find a float center and let go. Just be =)
Some of my best meditations have been while I’m high. That’s when your state of mind is at peace and it’s just easier to extend your energy out into your surroundings.
Once years ago, I was really struggling with sleep. I had been about two weeks with hardly any. I'd fall asleep and wake up shortly after, unable to go back to sleep. Well one night I'm at my gfs apt, which had good internet (this was back when not everyone had it, I didn't), and I decided to look up meditation. I spent the next 20-30 mins following a meditation guide on a website. It felt great, and afterwards I felt really good and finally relaxed. I laid down and kinda kept that mindset, soon falling asleep and I slept soundly the entire night. It was great. Ever since then I've really valued the impact of meditation, though I'm pretty inconsistent about doing it.
In my experience and research personally, I've noticed a common ground in anyting from the East, that all say to meditate "on" something is a westernized assimilation of meditation. Although I'm sure it is useful just as Joe is explaining. But the Divide between Joe and Danny's perspective on meditation is just further evidence of the case
I like Sam Harris' friendly smirk starting at 6:10 when he inquires into whether Joe does drugs while floating. Like, Sam is a longtime friend of Joe's and already has a pretty good idea of what Joe does in the tank :)
"The center of the bullseye is not suffering unnecessarily." Very good. For instance, going into an isolation tank for the first time while being high would be causing yourself to suffer unnecessarily.. The isolation tank speeds up the meditation process because we are trying to get past the five senses...the tank already does that for you...mostly...so don't go into that new unexplored territory high your first few times.... Nobody gives medals for stupidity. If you enjoy freaking or want to risk wondering on the side of the road homeless with an irreversible psychotic break...it's up to you. Be kind enough to yourself to build a solid foundation.
Did an iso tank last week..first time. All I can say is I ever run into money, I'm getting one. If I did a float once a day I would be an entirely different person. Did it once..I'm hooked. That's it.
I had an experience one time. It was the 1st time I meditated,and I felt like I was outside of my body,then it got bright. The light was a golden color. I suddenly started seeing people walking around me. I was sitting in the center of all this and they started looking at me. I panicked and opened my eyes. I could hear their voices,see their faces were clear. It scared the shit out of me. I do alot of guided sleep meditations now
Meditation is what/how Sam is describing. It is awareness of your being; awareness of your chattering self and thereby taking control of it; observing your chattering self going through its emotional tantrums; not blocking it or ignoring it; just knowing its there and gently ignoring its bidding's.
I’ve had times of consistent meditation and when I do that I’m convinced it could be among the most important and healing / helping things in existence for all mankind. Amazingly I still have a hard time getting back to that daily routine (for me transcendental meditation, 20 mins, twice a day). Joes should have listened more to how those guys meditate. To each their own but I think there’s a lot of misunderstanding about what meditation is. I agree it’s not a switch to shut off the mind. The head chatter is there but by meditation (TM uses mantra) it does seem to quiet down a bit. Thoughts come and go, and that’s the point as I understand it. But thoughts should be let go naturally. If you’re holding onto a thought use the mantra (or whatever your meditation is) and that thought will pass. It’s like your brain has bubbles that are thoughts. They need to come out and surface, where the bubble bursts and that’s the end. Allowing that to happen does indeed calm the mind overall. Pretty much our brains are carbonated with thoughts and we need to just open the valves a bit.
I actually started a new thing called “meta-tation.” It’s a heightened form of meditation where you become of aware of the fact that you’re aware of the fact that there are thoughts going on inside tour head.
For anybody looking for deeper explanation on meditation types and practices, look up Allan wallace and go down the rabbit hole. "Religious people believe, philosophers think, and scientists look."
I ate some edible pot once and after 20 minutes I felt nothing so I ate a good amount more. It wasn’t pleasant. All of a sudden I’m way to high and my anxiety kicked in and paranoia. I eventually went to sleep and woke up the next morning high. I couldn’t believe it lol. For anyone out there be careful with edibles. Seriously
Just wanted to say that I am grateful to have Joe Rogan and his podcast. Always fun and I learn some new interesting stuff. Instead of wasting time with some other dumb shit in TV or Netflix I rather waste it here.
I've managed to clear my mind completely for a few weeks. It happened after I heard the audiobook by Eckhart Tolle: The Power of Now. What he was saying resonated with me so strongly that it shot me into the present immediately but also into a manic episode at the same time. Its ine of the best/worst experiences I've had. The bad part came after my mind crashed from lack of sleep caused by the mania. Thats when I realized I was bipolar for the first time. But I dont regret the experience because it made me realize that there are states of mind that can be reached that I wasn't aware of.
so joe believes in sober psychedelics states, i sound crazy when i talk about my experiences that i can only describe as “ like i’m on drugs”. it’s nice to see someone else bring it up more normally
I feel like one session in deprivation tank allowed me to fully understand what meditation is supposed to feel like. It's easier in there. It was the only time I felt my thoughts truly stop racing. I have never achieved this meditating in my room. It's a hack for sure and I feel like Joe talking about psychedelics turned his guest off about meditating in the tank.
What i feel Sam is trying to get across the board at around 13:22 is (Trying to separate & identify anything & everything including your thoughts; To try & gain a better perspective of yourself & the environment around you. Any noises you may hear, anything physical touching agents you, your thoughts, try to notice & identify you thoughts/thought process as well. Take a deep breath, & do it all over again) In what ever meditation pose works for you.
This is one situation where Joe Rogan knows nothing about the experience of mediation and the way it makes you see the truth. One thing these guys didn't mention is that meditating brings you into the present moment. You start to really see things as they really are. You either understand this or you don't. The best way to learn to meditate is to do a meditation retreat. Here is where you will awaken and gain a technique you can keep for life. When you hear people talking about outer body crap and drug induced experiences you know they are not there yet or haven't even attempted to learn to meditate properly. Joe, clearly got caught out making up crap in this situation. Maybe he has learnt to meditate after this interview. :)
I like the 3:00 mark where Dan explains what he does. I haven't heard the rest yet so not sure if he'll explain how he does it, because that's not my experience of meditation AT ALL edit - I like 4:50 - 5:00. every time you do that it's a bicep curl for the brain.
Thinking that one is bad at meditation because they notice that they have intrusive thoughts while meditation, is like thinking that one is bad at exercise because they feel discomfort or exertion while exercising.
A good argument for them about why their apps may be very useful is that people do spend a lot of money and time on yoga and meditation classes where they are told more or less the same. I don't dismiss getting those group experiences tho! But being able to get instructions in the same manner a monk or guru would give, on demand, that's actually incredible to think about, and a real leap in making mind tools universaly available!
Sam is brilliant. He spoke for a few mins and Joe's response. Apps? 😅 that's why sam needs to go to interviewers at his level that can keep the deep conversation going and then bring it to a beautiful place
