He murdered a prison rival - if he hadn’t been sent to prison in the first place, there wouldn’t be any rival for him to murder. it’s a real catch 22 edit: for people who might’ve got the wrong impression, this is a joke *
The judge treated him like he was worthless. He treated his victims like they were..? If you are willing to kill someone for their belongings you are a menace to society, and you be excluded from society.
And honestly the main way the US has to try to rehabilitate people is the jail system, where this guy would go in and then maybe get drug treatment if he needed it, and get a chance to get away from a bad crowd if he was hanging out with a bad crowd. That's not necessarily treating you as if you're worthless. You did a bad thing and there are consequences for that. It only reflects on you as a person if you let it.
I’ve actually met this man and heard him speak last summer in NY. He kept getting over emotional during the speech and was lashing out at the audience like it’s our fault he ended up a felon. I got the worst vibes off this guy, it’s insane that less than a year later he’s in jail for murder.
@@MattZaycYTit honestly wasnt a puzzle to make out his whole perspective is victim mentality but giving 50 years prolly just made him more in that perspective and unable to sit with remorse and instead with resent and hatred for the system. But when you robbing people violently, its up to you to fix that perspective cuz aint no one gonna do it for you, and if you realize what you did, youd also realize that everyone wants you locked up, and shit, youd even be able to reflect on that change of mindset from being a victim with no remorse to realizing the victim mentality prevents you from changing no matter how many years you get. Didnt see that self criticism in him, he spends his time focusing on prison reform like he was wrongfully convicted, rather than displaying anything about his own accountability against the odds and the importance that has as well as the system. They were sugar coating his persona, “a great human being” like the realism of critical thinking must be avoided at all times, but when you have moved on from something you did wrong in your past, you dont need people to resist negative criticism because the truth speaks for itself. If you gave changed you will naturally understand this because your empathy will remind you that your a different person now. See that confusion in a lot of people who cant admit their wrongdoings. Knew he was cap as soon as i realized that. But the biggest thing… I know what its like to lie. Havent been so truthful in my past. And been around these bad people and drugs. You can just see his baggage and numbness through his rapport and affect. Instead of enjoying his time out, he wasting it on respect. People’s trust and respect in him is obviously a big deal for him. So much so to where I GUARANTEE if you questioned his authenticity, especially as a gang member, he would lose it to the idea of people not thinking hes hard (hard as in robbing people, getting money, all the bs he should be in jail for), rather than realizing thats not the character he should uphold. He cant take accountability for the monster he became because of his ego, his skill at manipulation (being “top of the food chain”), and his inability to listen to what anyone else has to say other than himself (because no one gets it). Although some traits come to the surface unfairly (giving 50 years for 2 stitches), I am only analyzing the product and dynamic of his response to his predicament to validate his release, to see if hes changed at heart. And from what I see, he’ll kill somebody again if you let him off the hook.
Imagine going from convict facing 70 years, to Joe rogan guest and still letting a petty prison dispute drag you straight back to the place you escaped. Genuinely like winning the lottery just to go broke 1 year later because of bad decisions
1 year... 1 week later sounds like a more apt comparison considering he's not only going to be broke, he traded freedom for the rest of his life for something that was tickling his ego.
Being locked in prison, rivalries like that become a lot more important to your life than some dispute. It's not like having a bad interaction in the supermarket.
Definitely not comparable to lottery winners. That’s more like athletes. You’re never taught financial literacy and then you get millions off of chance. You’re losing it because you’ve never conquered those bad spending habits. Pro athletes, come from HS with the majority coming from middle-class families, so no one has financial literacy generally in that class or lower. And then they go to college where they are broke or have some money but financial literacy isn’t taught in school, it’s classically been generational secrets until the internet. Now, you give those same guys with no financial literacy millions of dollars. The owners of teams don’t care to kick back knowledge to their players… It’s an endless cycle unless one is taught, or they’ve learned on their own volition, which is rare. Knowing what you should be learning, is harder than learning the thing itself.
he was top of the food chain in the gang, which means he probably killed lots of people to establish that role you don't just become a gang leader and become reformed nice guy... these type of guys dont' get reformed they just try to kill better. Using blonde wig just shows he was not a very smart pyschopath and probably got to leader status by brutal killing and grapes. seems like the judge could sense in his actions and demeanor that something was off a lot of these woke clowns lake that abilities specifically common sense. It would be common sense not to trust a guy who is at the top leader in a gang , because you have to think how do you get there.
Every single person that the Innocence Project represents is like this. They are never wrongfully convicted, they just try and set free the worst of our society
"He got hit in the head" "He got two stitches" "She got robbed as well" "His jewelry got taken" "He decided I don't count" "He threw my life away" "He rejected my plea deal" "He got in a fight with my son" "He stepped into traffic" "He got hit by a car and he died" This dude literally has no sense of responsibility. He just sounds like that stereotype of the prisoner intellectual who has become a genius doing nothing but pretending to follow rules all day for 25 years. Only thing missing is "gave my life to Jesus and he forgave me" 🤮🤮
Noticed that use of the passive voice immediately and wondered if anyone was going to point that out. Haven't seen the actual podcast, but if nobody corrected him during the show and just let him go on talking as if none of what happened was his responsibility, then nobody on that show deserves their platform.
Not anymore. He not only showed his willingness to harm others for personal gain in his earlier life before prison but also showed how he's 100% willing to take someones life and cut up the body...... Put him under, hes like 50, he won't change.
I remember that episode. Sheldon Jonson kept making remarks like “he got hit in the head,” “she got caught up in it” but never said that he was responsible. He did say he “robbed” the guy, but he totally minimized his responsibility.
Yes! I instantly stumbled over that. "He got hit in the head? No, you gigantic pos hit him." Zero accountability - one might be tempted to call him a menace to society.
4:43 Love the use of passive voice here. '.. his girlfriend happened to be there, so she got caught up..' and 'he got a gun to his head', as if this is simply something that happened to her and not something they did 😂
I said it in another comment but I'll say it here too. It's called psychological distancing. When someone has done something wrong but they don't want to admit it, they'll say things like "she was hurt" instead of "I stabbed her."
@@Connor-zz8zf Mf stfu. This is the most generic thought/comment anybody could come up with that came to mind after I watched the video. I don't even know what comment you're referencing that you're accusing me of copying.
In the Joe Rogan interview, he doesn't come across as remorseful or truthful. He deflects the blame onto his victims. He says that the victim's gf got caught up in his robbery, and consequently, was robbed by his friends too. Then when talking about the victim, he says the guy got hit in the head with the gun, making it sound like the guy ran into the gun with his own head. I don't agree with 50 years, but clearly, the judge saw something in this man that wasn't right.
This x a bajillion- anyone watching that podcast that didn’t immediately walk away with the impression that Sheldon is, at the very least, walking around with extreme/persistent antisocial personality disorder, with a psychopathy bent towards extreme sociopathy wasn’t paying attention. I’ll say it again, most people will reveal their true character/intent to you almost immediately if you’re willing to pay attention. You don’t have to be a linguistic expert or have a PhD in psychology, just two ears, two eyes and a functioning brain to recognize the truth. The most skilled manipulation tactics can be a little harder to detect, but Sheldon is absolutely not in any way skilled at this. He laid bare exactly the monster he is; no empathy, no remorse, anger towards others (especially those who see through him like the judge) he’s bold, he’s disinhibited, and he’s got to have severe back pain from lugging around that oversized ego. IMO he found a willing dupe in Dubin, and Josh needs to take a good look in the mirror and recognize that he was absolutely and completely blinded by his own narcissism.
I believe judge try to do something like "Minority Report", trying to arrest the person to not committed future possible crimes, since the judge have seen many cases and see a clear signal of a sociopath.
50 years for two stitches? No, 50 years for armed robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, traumatizing the victims, and years of therapy needed for victims. Not just two stitches
@ThePowerMoves quite an emphatic statement. All of Europe is safer and happier than the US, but you're sure their system is flawed and not yours. The best systems focus on education and rehabilitation instead of long incarceration while treating convicts like slave labor.
In general I agree with this sentiment as a ex-con myself.... But, fuck anyone who carries that sentiment into drugs. I got 8 years for sellin weed earlier in life. Victimless crime. It's a crime and I still feel no remorse on a moral level. Fuckin bullshit
@@gmbane384exactly which is why this criminal justice porn in the comments needs to stop. If you don't like what someone did and want to punish them so be it but you have to call out what they did specifically you can't just say they committed a crime
why do I feel like this isn't even far off from something this guy would say? "she needs to surround herself with better people" "I hope she chooses a better partner next time" or some other such bullshit @@sambmortimer
He was a serial armed robber whose 25-year sentence was on the conviction of attempted murder. It's absolutely baffling that Rogan thought it wise to have this guy on the podcast at all.
Apparently he just has a commitment to the innocence project and has this guy on a few times a year to support them. My understanding is this guy josh just brings someone and goes over the story but I think it's usually overturned convictions. That's probably why he felt the need to flat out acknowledge this guys guilt in the introduction. Not to minimize his responsibility, I just doubt he looks into it at all. I'd be absolutely furious with that guy though.
Rogan's whole career is platforming morons, bigots, scammers and white nationalists for views. Bread and circuses for the hoi polloi is his whole brand.
I noticed in his initial story he uses a ton of passive voice, which, when you've come to term with the wrongs you've done, shouldn't happen. Like "his girlfriend found herself involved..." "he was hit by the gun..." Not, "I/we held up his girlfriend..." "I/we hit him with the gun..."
It's called psychological distancing. When someone has done something wrong but they don't want to admit it, they'll say things like "she was hurt" instead of "I stabbed her."
I'm glad you brought this up. Someone that can't bring themselves to say "I did that," is someone who isn't holding themselves accountable for their own actions. It's disrespectful to the victims for him to try to play it off like he did.
True, some nuance, but overall the mere idea of taking a life is an evil action, even if done for 'good' reasons. Gypsy rose for example, or war when a soldier kills another soldier. Those are still 'evil' acts.
This dude even said in his interview that if being good doesn't work out he could always go back to being bad. I think that was the biggest indicator right there he didn't give a fuck about spending 25 years in prison.
I’m wondering if the ”might” is to prevent himself from making a libelous statement or to drive click traffic. I think it’s the latter, I’m much more interested if it’s an open question than just hearing a sanctimonious rant.
He probably thought he could head to one of his aunt’s cribs and borrow some makeup and one of her blonde wigs and tell her that he needs a place to stay and he’d be safe for days if he shaved his legs with Renee’s razor blades
@@JimbobfromoklahomaI was thinking that, but “evil” is such a generic adjective/pejorative like “mean” or “dumb” that I don’t know if it can be considered libel/slander if it’s not a noun/claim like “murderer” that- even with evidence- has to be stated as speculated. That being said, I’m sure Coffee is just being safe and doing his due diligence
This guy has the mind of a child. To shout, “I’m innocent” after being caught literally red handed is so unbelievable considering all of the public speaking he did talking about how he was given too much time. The judge was right.
OK, the wig is fascinating. It doesn't work as a disguise; it doesn't conceal any identifiable part of him - e.g. his face; and it draws *massively* more attention to him and what he might be doing than if he'd just not worn a wig at all. I think the reason for this, and the reason why he went on Joe Rogan, might be that Sheldon is not very smart.
He actually wore like 3 different disguises which was one of the things the neighbors found so suspicious about him (aside from the fact that he kept going in and out with a key and didn't live there). And then he left most of the body parts in the dude's freezer anyway for the cops to find in the apartment... so hardworking and smart, both.
@@bubba99009 And the cops allegedly found Sheldon in the apartment with the victim's body parts, so he made it even easier for them to link him to the crime.. I'd love to see his lawyer's face when they see him in that security footage. Bet he didn't realise how good CCTV cameras got over the 25 years he was locked up.
Assault with a deadly weapon, grand theft, organized crime... like, maybe not 50 years but yikes, not freedom. Agree with the 'should have still been in jail' comment.
How do you envision him still being in jail while criticizing his sentence. If his sentence was shorter he would not be in jail until he committed another crime
Its hard to say, but whats ussually done is that there's a whole huge list of modifiers to determine the suggested sentance for a crime. Things like a repeated history of crimes, multiple crimes commited in a short period, and the relative severity of crimes as well as how the person has acted since they got arrested / in court all can affect the suggested prison sentance. Theres also the thing of concurrent vs consecutive sentances, sometimes commiting multiple crimes has a concurrent sentance, where 5, 2 year sentances are served concurrently results in spending only 2 years in jail. Consecutive sentances are one after the other, so 5, 2 year sentances consecutively are 10 years in jail. Im not a lawyer, but im willing to bet he wasnt given 50 years for a single crime, but numerous consecutive sentances that added up to 5p years. So armed robbery might get 2 years each, agravated assault 5 years, exc.
There was zero remorse in how he recounted that story. He still sounded angry and showed no remorse for also harming the innocent girlfriend. Then, he BRAGGED about his place in the crime world. Like...this guy has recitivism written all over him. Speaking as a black person myself, yes, I know that harsher sentences have a precendent of being given to non-violent or less violent crimes to black and brown people, but it seems the judge knew what he was doing. This wasn't a case of needing to make an example out of this guy or that a black person has to be harsher to other blacks to avoid accusations of a bias from white peers. If this guy already had a criminal past and just hadn't been caught for some of it, and only due to luck had someone not been killed previously, this man was a ticking time bomb. Sadly, that bomb still went off, even after being in jail. He's proven he's a career criminal and is too dangerous to be on the streets. I hope this time, he's given something like life without parole.
This is a common thread amongst the Innocence Fraud Project. That's who got him out of jail. Most of the killers they represent are 100% guilty but they are an anti-prison/anti-death penalty advocacy group.
Not only did he show no remorse, he barely took any accountability for his actions. He kept using language like "she got caught up in it", "he got hit", and "he got roughed up", as if it was just a force of nature that caused these things to happen. A remorseful and accountable person would say "I hit him and I'm sorry I did that". He said nothing even close to that. The only thing he admitted was doing the robbery which he justified because the guy owed him drug money. Even that was probably a lie because who gives away 5k worth of drugs without demanding payment right then and there? That's now how drug deals usually work. I can't believe Rogan listened to this guy's BS and didn't immediately call him out on it.
I had a coworker that I used to drive to work and he would always talk about how he’s gonna do good things and succeed despite his past. He disappeared eventually and 2 years later I found out that 2 weeks before I met him he robbed and murdered someone as well. I drove around with a murderer. It’s crazy how evil and guiltless people can be.
This isn’t really your point but people that need to constantly convince themselves and other people that they will succeed in life are fighting demons. Just be successful no need to talk about it
He got 50 years not for two stitches but because by his own admission, he was at the top of his gang, not just any gangster. You give a guy 50 years like that you can't expect him to act like a normal person after leaving too soon...
How do we demonstrate that the system is corrupt? I know! Let's bring on a guy that 100% should have gone to prison and should still be in there. Genius!
@kingsadvisor18 you just got to remember human nature. We are all humans and make mistakes. But I get it, idk how some people just believe ppl bc of how they talk... it seems to me that people like calm people no matter what they are doing 😅
@@dannydanumbaVery personal, not everybody will take it as well. And neither did she, most likely, just putting up a strong face for her bitch of a son.
The immediate red flag for me watching the clips in this video was that he mentioned the result of what sounds like an assault (2 stitches) but didn't go into what he was actually charged with. It's like, what if someone gets life and didn't kill anyone, only to find out they were found guilty of conspiracy to murder.
My grandfather wrote me a letter for my 16th or 17th birthday that read something similar. "Only give friends 2 strikes because a third is soon to follow"😮
I absolutely lost all respect for the innocence project when they tried to release Julius Jones with a whole lot of deception, lies and race baiting. It was honestly incredibly infuriating to see what TIP said and then learn the truth about the whole case. Even when they got an extra DNA test (that AGAIN proved Julius Jones was guilty), they kept trying to release him. They don't really care about releasing innocent people.
Not to conspiracy bait- but we’ve all heard of the fema ~ “offer violent offending criminals a reduced sentence or even a cleared sentence for agreement to join private military training operations” ~ thing, right? This couldn’t be somehow, someway, wrapped up in all that, could it? 🤔 (I don’t do the conspiracy stuff, I don’t research stuff or watch the news anymore- too damn stressful. But who knows, it’s all one big sweater, connected by the same threads? 🤷)
@@owlmostdead9492 not if that loser had a previous record. Severe punishments are never handed to people without previous record (unless it is a violet, and obvious crime)
@@Sig509 It would still be preemptive punishment and therefore insane, there is a reason why the FBI needs to wait for the actual deal to happen before apprehending someone in a bust.
This is extremely bad for prison reform advacates and innocence project. This case will be referenced by judges for a long time as a cautionary tale for them to not go easy on people tbey see as a threat no matter how much advocacy the convicted person has.
Well fuck prison reform advocates and the innocence project till someone proved they are completely innocent from aforementioned crime they don’t deserve shit as a suspect also why should you give mercy to people who don’t care about harming others like it’s not a wrong doing
One thing that stuck out to me that happens a lot in modern day is that he mentioned that the judge was “African American.” As if because he shares a skin color with you means anything. He said it in a tone like he was being betrayed by him. That mentality is so crazy to me because as a mixed person raised by my white adoptive parents, I was taught not to see people by their skin color and that just because someone is the same color as you, doesn’t mean they have your best interests or that you should automatically trust them.
Him leaving with a blonde wig on = the scene from family guy where peter is dressed as a clown during the vietnam war "they'll be looking for army guys"
"I committed a violent crime with my friends in which one of my victims ONLY needed a few stitches. Why is the judge such a dick? I'm sooooo opwessed."
While I agree in some aspects what about the fact most people get away with way worse for almost no time but he robbed someone and got 50 years isn't that crazy
@bleath2111 he threatened to kill these people and pointed guns in they face. As he happily admits: he is the leader of a criminal organization. He is a repeat offender. He is COMPLETELY unrepentant: he had 25 years to think it over yet he still thinks he was justified and he didn't do anything wrong. Clearly the Judge was correct, because he went on to mur dah
Only a matter of time before something like this happened. The podcast community seems to love giving space and time to former criminals, mafia bosses etc. We seem to love rewarding them for no longer being a bad person
This is literally a daily occurrence in California. One guy was arrested 3-4 times in a 24 hour period , stole cars, grand theft and was still let out just so he could hold a paraplegic lady hostage in her own apartment because god told him to come there. Even then I think he was let out after the weekend.
Finally we can agree joe is a problem himself. Use to look up to him and now he brings guests that are racist and spread misinformatiom.He replies “if it is true, then it makes sense” which his way of saying “This guy is BS” to the guest.He has become no better than news channel who does not care about the truth.He could have at least question the wild racist & misinformation statement the guest has spouted.Yet he remain in silent.
@@iman-c5fit’s not joe Rogans job to tell you how to think, he has people with differing opinions and pretty much shuts up and let’s them talk. Most of the time he just lets people rants and that’s what makes it good.
@@13illyxmazewell, he can also invite people that is an actual criminal just to make a self-justification... What is more dangerous is not the opinion, it is the platform for them to say it
And one more thing did they assume because the judge was black he was supposed to have some sort of sympathy for another black man? Even if he is a criminal? They assume the judge should give him a pass because they are the same skin colour?
This is a great example of someone being genuinely racist. "he, you'd think the black judge would help the black criminal!" lol It's insane how racist some of these people get away with being as long as it's in a certain context.
I feel like it’d be kinda hard to genuinely argue you’re redeemed and a changed man while simultaneously going on a podcast to complain about the consequences of your own actions.
I wouldn't have even cared if he had 50 years is too much, that's fine, I think 25 would be more than enough but the guy went there to complain about the court being mean lmao
For people like him, that's actually quite a short rap sheet. Gangstas and thugs think they deserve to be like Darrel Brooks - a criminal record as long as the penal code itself, only finally resulting in a conviction that sticks once they commit a HUGE crime that even the most bleeding heart activist judge can't ignore. This guy didn't get that, his judge wasn't so easily hoodwinked. They're so used to avoiding accountability that they think they're entitled to 50 second chances.
@@nothing4mepls973 Yea if a criminal has a long criminal record do you know what that ACTUALLY means? It means that the legal system has failed and allowed a DEGENERATE back onto the streets too many times. Thugs like him should ONLY have 2 charges on record before we just throw away the key once we put them in their cage.
@@willybe6427Yea you don't get to be a high level gang member in a major gang when you are new to this whole crime thing and just curious to give it a try. He's certainly got other murders under his belt too that he was just never connected to.
@@peersie9519yep. i remember when kim kardashian was advocating for a literal murderer to be taken off of death row and everyone was just going with what she said and signing petitions. of course when they put up the petitions they don’t mention that his crime was attempting to murder and burn a young couple alive in the trunk of a car. i however am not about to help someone on death row if i don’t know why they were given that sentence, and low and behold i find out his crimes were the aforementioned. and people love to say that death row should be abolished bc it’s barbaric. but i find it absolutely insane how everyone is ready to remove actual monsters from death row just because of their skintone, lets be real. no one is going to advocate and petition for dylan roof to be removed from death row, but suddenly if perp is darker we have to pretend they’re harmless and don’t deserve DR. i’m a black woman and i see through the delusion.
Around 2008 I used to work with a guy named Ross Wolfinger. One day he got to work super early at like 3 am (normal start time was 6:30) acting really weird. At lunch time, word got around that he was selling a bunch of random stuff out of his van in the parking lot. The next day the police showed up to the plant asking for all those items back. Apparently the morning before, he got into a dispute with his drug dealer, killed her with a hammer, filled her van up with stuff from her house and brought it to work. Crazy to think that I walked past that guy hours after he brutally murdered someone with a hammer. He ended up hanging himself in jail a few years ago
Not me but one of my best friends starts work at a similar time, in the winter it's still totally dark at 6ish. His (18-19 y/o) coworker comes into work a couple minutes late, frantic, talking about he's afraid he hit something on the way there but he didn't have time to stop and check. Later on the news they're trying to find someone that had hit a 65 year old guy who was just walking going like 70mph. The guy pieced it together and freaked out, left work to turn himself in. He got like 10-15 years iirc. Crazy how people can kill someone and just go right back to their normal lives, worrying about their jobs and stuff.
He speaks like an inmate, zero reformation. The one time Josh brings on a rightfully convicted he turns out to, rightfully so, be a criminal. Go figure.
@@unnamed1479This is true and I wish more people thought this. As much as I try to hope the best for people and wish they could change for the better, I have firsthand experience with people who will never change no matter what. Once you accept that, it makes some things a lot easier.
you think being in an environment where violence is expected and is the norm, where you are treated like an animal, wont have some sort of negative psychological effect on you? he wasnt a good dude going into jail, but in such conditions i cannot fully blame him for coming out worse
I have worked in the system for much of my adult life. I have met people who were serving a year, I have met people serving life sentences, I have met people who were arrested and released the same day. Most of them would tell me that just serving time is enough of a crime deterrent to never go back, and they don’t go back. Some of them are in county jail every other month until they eventually get sent to prison for a year or two, then they violate parole and go back to prison. Criminal justice is a complex social issue that cannot be explained away with any theory I can present here, but I will say that this guy was a violent criminal before he went in, and he turned out to be a violent criminal after getting out, despite claiming to be reformed.
The unfortunate thing is that sociopathic criminals take advantage of mechanisms that exist to serve wrongfully convicted or overly punished prisoners, and then that is used as a justification to rob genuine people of their right to a second chance. They're very good at emotionally manipulating people, and that leaves the manipulated individuals feeling burned and far less willing to give people the benefit of the doubt in the future.
"Reformed" xD. You know who can be reformed? A person who tried honest life, but failed at it and was forced to commit crimes for a livehood. Most of these "to be reformed" folks are not that. They are thugs that did not have a day of hones work in their life, because crime is easy money for them. Such people do not even have the mentality to handle a normal, every day job, because they are too lazy and spoiled for that. They want fast cash.
Man life must be so simple being black and white like that. Also its insane you dont think 90% of people tried to live a normal life to start out, everyone starts out that way lmfao. The actual thing to be talking about is if someone is too far gone down the rabbit hole of being mentally fucked to actually be helped.@@Sig509
I mean you could make the argument that it was "only two stitches", which makes it seem harmless and show us how much it can be about the framing. another way to frame it would be the following: He robbed someone and was willing to apply force doing so, maybe even willing to use lethal force if not being able to aquire his victims possesions.
he doesn't think he is dumb and dull lost in his own sociopathy being a kleptomaniac is just symptoms of a rotten brain! surprises me he is even capable of talking as someone less intelligent than a bird
@@user-ee1fn4vt8b to what end? He used a gun in an apartment building. Does he think no one heard a guy screaming for his life and a pair of gunshots? Dude's lucky the cops had crap response time or he never would have got the chance to put on his wig. Ok, maybe that's not that lucky.
@@jamesrule1338Yea - also he left most of the body in the apartment so he didn't even finish the job. I can only imagine what a half assed job he did of cleaning up what must have been a massive amount of blood. He should have just threw on the wig and bailed.
They got Al Capone for tax evasion. It sounds like this man was already a gang leader before he was caught for armed robbery. It may not be just in the strictest sense, but it's possible the judge was aware of many other things he was suspected of doing and took advantage of this opportunity to remove him from society for as long as possible. He certainly didn't reform while he was there.
Right there with you. After he says I want to be clear that he did what he was accused of, I thought alright well this deviates a bit from the wrongful convictions formula but let’s give it a shot. I got half way through listening and stopped. The guy sounded like a scumbag who doesn’t own up to his doings and is probably gonna make it real weird or hard going forward with having anyone else on going forward lmao.
Adam is a moron and he couldnt even debate Joe Rogan on something Joe didnt even know anything about, like he gave several very strong opinions and couldnt defend any of them. I think your the first person iv seen actually complement him@@Redactstrength
Joe's not everyone's cup of coffee and i seldom finish his full podcast but sometimes Joe can bring that one guest who's so interesting I listened the whole thing for example : Robert Downey Jr and The Undertaker
We get duped when we retain the hope for redemption but lose the understanding that evil does exist. As the old saying goes, the devil's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.
So I'm not at the big reveal yet, but I gotta say... we're combining two important elements here: 1) the kind of thing that people tend to lie about - e.g. why I got fired, why my ex left me, WHY I WENT TO PRISON. 2) a podcast where the host is notorious for both not factchecking things, and factchecking things live on air but then acting like they could still be true. Soo... yeah, gonna guess that the whole "Got 50 years for two stitches" thing is a bit of a lie?
They conveniently leave this part out of his story. Buzzfeed article from 2016 (Three Sheldons) says he shot someone in the back during one of those robberies. "One by one, he tracked down his debtors and robbed them at gunpoint of their money and jewelry. When one man tried to run, he shot him in the back."
What really sucks about this is that it's a major setback for prison reform and rehabilitation. I've seen so many people swearing the concept off because of this guy. Rehabilitation is good. Our justice system is flawed, and our prisons inhumane. We need significant change.
What are we supposed to do?? If the criminals don't want to reform then that is all pointless! I've met plenty of people who actually used the resources to better their lives. You can lead a horse to water...
