Judo is hands down, one of thee most underrated, underappreciated Martial Arts. Judo deserves more credit because it's highly effective in self defense, sport & MMA. Plus, Judo isn't complicated to learn & you can be adequate at best in a short amount of time. I do it & I love it. Its one of those minimal effort produces maximum results methods. If you know Judo, then the transition to learning BJJ, Sambo, Submission Arts Wrestling, etc will be a piece of cake because Judo is the parent/foundation of those martial arts. That's how valuable & essential Judo is in Martial Arts & Self defense. Can't go wrong with Judo.
Yep. the biggest misconception about judo, is that judo just teaches you how to throw people. There is a lot more to judo, than just learning how to throw people.
@@SteelRhinoXpress Yes I agree. Judo does have groundwork & submissions (although not heavily featured as much than the throws). Chokes & armbars just like BJJ. All the fundamentals, rolls, falls, drills, etc in BJJ & Sambo are the same in Judo (just a little bit more added to it). Also, just like BJJ, Judo doesn't require any strength or power, just leverage & proper technique. I've seen a frail, 93 year old man do some gnarly judo throws & submissions on ppl much, much bigger, younger, stronger than himself. That's what makes Judo soooo awesome!! Judo really deserves much more respect & recognition. I love that I'm a Judoka.
@@cesarcanete3402 I absolutely agree with u, I hate the whole, "KOSEN JUDO IS BETTER THAN BJJ" or "BJJ IS BETTER THAN KOSEN JUDO". I much prefer to appreciate all arts for their inherent capability in the street, even my bjj teacher says there's no harm in being open about doing multiple. Big respect man, love how much u guys and I aren't just tryna get into a massive circle jerk dick measuring contest. Lol
@@societybelike Thanks man. I really appreciate that. I always try & keep an open mind & explore various martial arts that best compliments my personality. I don't believe one martial art is superior than the other, I believe its more about finding the ones that you connect with the best, combining it & integrating it all into one. For me, I started off with Boxing, Judo & Catch as catch can wrestling. That was my foundation & felt that best complimented my personality & learning style because I 3 different learning disabilities (dyslexia, ADD & dyscalculia). Once my foundation became second nature, I started experimenting & integrating other martial arts similar to those like Dutch Kickboxing, 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu & Russian Sambo (both Combat & Sport). In the future, I absolutely would love to integrate some of the more self defense martial arts into my arsenal such as Filipino Martial Arts, Kenpo Karate & Jeet Kune Do. To me, Martial Arts is a spiritual journey of character development through the disciplines. Its more than just learning to defending oneself, its about finding oneself though the martial arts path. Its a never ending pathway because you truly never ever become a grandmaster on many disciplines or master certain disciplines, but forever a steward of the martial arts disciplines because of how much the arts have helped you progressed in many areas in your life. That's how I feel about martial arts based on how much its done for me & my life. I love it.
Alexander Supertramp “Japanese jiu jitsu” is the most clear and common way of describing it to avoid confusion between it and BJJ. BJJ does come from Japanese Jiu Jitsu as does Judo, so I factually do know what I’m talking about smartass. And how does making a typo mean you are not knowledgeable on the subject clown
Judo saved me when I when I was struck by vehicle while riding a bicycle. Hours of break fall drills as child. As soon as I was airborne I curled in the air and rolled out of it. Gravel in my palms and forearms and a minor wrist sprain. Without judo I would have flown 5' through the air and landed on my face.
Break falls are probably the best technique for self defence statistically speaking. How often do you ever get into a fight in public? I never, but I can tell you i’ve tripped on curba before, motorcycle accidents (i live in thailand), my dad slipped in the bathroom good thing he knew wrestling and how to break fall.
Yes. I learned this from my days of parkour. But after not climbing or jumping in years it's still there and saved me during falls. I've rolled out of falls np. Falls that ive seen other people break wrists or smash their face in.
Break fall saved m'y life: fall of bicycle, torn ankle... I Even Break fall in a fight once, i was pushed in the back, i felt rolled on the street and got up ready To fight. Break fall is your best tool To get back on your feets
Ideally Jiu-Jitsu guys would know Judo, Wrestling, Sambo, Aikido, Sumo, lift weights, do Calisthenics and Plyometrics and advanced Yoga but guess what I'm still struggling to learn some basic Jiu-Jitsu man 😂
@@reiniervanramshorst1031 I'm just about to start Jiu-Jitsu classes and looking online for some beginners tips I found myself falling dowqn this rabbit hole, all the things you mentioned Judo, Wrestling, Sambo, Aikido, Sumo, lift weights, do Calisthenics and Plyometrics and it's a bit overwhelming lol
@@conorthompson943don't get invested in the rabbit hole. You'll get overwhelmed and not try it. Use the energy you use to rabbit hole and join one. You really just have to jump in
@@saucetacular6092 dude it was an obvious joke how tf did u get so offended Doing a karate style that has real full resistance drilling and sparring is very good for self defense. They emphasize learning how to throw a hard accurate punch to end a fight quickly before you risk taking damage, and they teach you how to do it with no glove without breaking your hands. And they emphasize in and out movement to again, avoid damage. They also teach some kicking techniques that take into consideration the fact that you're wearing shoes and you might be wearing tight pants that limit your mobility. Very practical for self defense as long as you actually learn how to fight and don't just do katas and "if he does this, then I do this, and I hit here" type of stuff, but actual sparring and hitting the pads and bags
Khabib did the same thing recently in a discussion with Cejudo. Khabib being a pro in Judo as well said " wrestling is good but Judo is next level, more of an elite sport". Im paraphrasing. It also adds so much to his fight game, most UFC fans don't realise it but he uses Judo very often.
We have a Judo Black Belt at my school and some Judo lower belts. Having good Judo will skyrocket your jiu jitsu. I personally feel the modern Jiu Jitsu and grappling should be everything (Wrestling, judo, jiu jitsu)
The advantage judo guys have over wrestlers is that they are hard to submit. A lot of wrestlers get caught in a lot of submissions: kevin lee and chael
@@sz42781 You would have loved Pride Fighting in Japan during it's days. You could 100% soccer kick guys on the ground. The Gracies did not do well over there, with the exception of Rickson. But Rickson didn't do Pride, and he ducked Sakuraba
Anyone that says judo isn’t for self defense has never had a proficient judoka (even yellow belt) throw them. That o-soto-gari will absolutely trash you.
@@jorge.rubiales bullshit, there is no resisting it , especially if the guy is shorter than you. You can only dodge it...once the hold is in place there aint no way you are stopping it without a counter. Dont flatter yourself
@@SWard-oe8oj Try resisting an osoto gari from Aurélio Miguel. That guy would reach your leg from a mile away and wouldn't let go for shit. I've done judo and became really good at it, if you can resist a throw then either your opponent wasn't in the best position to throw you and let go in fear of a counter move or you just no-sold the shit out of your opponent's attempt like a mf, which is more unlikely but happens mostly with low belt grades. Receiving an uchi mata is basically the same thing, sometimes you think it wasn't well applied but you go down either way.
What I love about Judo is that it almost comes out of nowhere. Like, with normal wrestling takedowns people usually see it coming and do some sort of maneuver to stop it, and the wrestler has to move around and really struggle. But with judo it's like "we're clinching, I'm gonna try keep it standing" and suddenly - POW - you just hit the floor. Very sneeky.
That's completely variable to be honest. I travel for work and when I trained BJJ I visited about 25 gyms in that time. The level of takedown skills taught or used in each club was totally variable. Some of them were had okay Judo/Wreslting takedowns. Some of them had zero takedown ability and almost never trained it. In theory I agree with you, old school BJJ had these techniques in them. But with the modern obsession with competitions, and people favouring things like pulling guard, getting a BJJ school that shows you good takedowns can be harder than you think.
I've been a law enforcement officer for 20 years, and throughout my career I have practiced judo and now Ido BJJ, and more than once I had encountered bad guys that have wanted to take me down and the one thing that has saves my butt were the judo throws.
I do both bjj and judo. I have only been in two fights in my life. Both times i instinctively fought judo style. It made sense in the moment. I think bjj is superior in a controlled and safe environment. However, if outnumbered, or on concrete, Judo's efficiency and sense of urgency enabled me to finish it in 2 seconds. With your experience, what's your opinion?
Back in the day, in my BJJ practices we always knew if someone had a judo background. They're built different. It's just not fun. It's like they're literally a different species.
@@jamesplease1980 also law enforcement here. I think it just depends what you're more used to and what the context of the fight is. I found myself using both in different real life altercations , each scenario was very different from the other(ive done both for an equal amount of time)
I seem to recall in my comp days (the 90s standing chokes were allowed - I suppose they can work if you are the bigger guy but they put both tori and uke in dangerous positions. Example: Fought a BJJ guy at an interclub comp who had started Judo. First, he tried a flying armbar then standing lapel choke (Nami Juji) with his arms crossed when he tried to pull in I instinctively turned for Harai or Uchi. We both went down in a heap I got shitty yuko and he dislocated his shoulder bad ... made a mental to never attempt or teach standing chokes for comp.
@Historical Icons he's talking about japanese jujustsu. It's a form of martial arts used by feudal samurai's when they were armed and or disarmed in battle.
Just to be clear - although strength is definitely an element in Judo, technique is often what makes the difference. As Joe said, the idea of torque (an element of technique) is crucial (plus, of course, training various combinations). One of the mistakes that almost everyone makes when they start Judo and have not learned technique is to try to use their strength.
drutgat2 the power is misunderstood as it also involves an interesting technique most overlook, the ability to explode your whole body with max efficacy and efficiency
A perfect Judo throw feels "weightless", but theres a lot of strength involved in manuvreing the opponent into the position that nullifies their resistance to the throw.
Another underrated thing about judo is just it’s that there’s so many great players across the world. I’ve met people who have fought in the olympics and internationally across the world and learned a lot from them. Probably the sport with the highest access to top rated athletes to learn from.
@smelly_meat boss thats why its so dangerous, you might end up seriously injuring someone and that could result in jail time even if you weren't the aggressor
I have done BJJ for twenty years. At the age of 50, I had the crazy idea to start training Judo! Boy was I humbled. Judo is so freakin' HARD. I love it, and in my opinion, it is more effective for self-defense in the street. If I'm attacked in the street, no way in hell I'm pulling guard or shooting a double - Osoto, Kouchi, Ouchi Gari ALL DAY. Much love and respect to the Judokas.
Wait, but I did BJJ in 2 schools and they both taught them. Like I remember when I was like really skeptical about some of the stuff they taught like prawning and stuff. But the biggest one was the hip techniques- like I remember being like "does this even work?". Unless you mean you were taught very basic wrestling and Jiu Jitsu?
@@mervinjohnorozco9864 You have to practice relaxing when you fall. The problem is your natural reactions are really bad for when you get thrown (reaching out with your arms, getting stiff in the shoulders) Practice a -lot- of break falls, and forwards rolls. Eventually it becomes second nature (6x national Judo Champion with 25+ years of experience)
I did it in the reverse, trained Judo, got a bit old for 500-600 throws a week, so went to bjj, the bjj black belt was so easy when i compare it to my judo black belt, Judo works
I practiced judo with my father who learned judo as a shore patrolmen in the navy. But then when I got into the army I was introduced to Brazilian jiu jujitsu and I looked at both styles and their history as I learned them and realized. Both of them can effectively cover the other’s weaknesses in grappling. Because bjj doesn’t have as good stand up grapples and self defense on your feet. But when that fight goes to the ground I feel like judo is not as aggressive as bjj in form so I took what I knew from both and mixed it with the kali and boxing I practiced on my own time. (I am no master I’m more self defense non mma oriented in my training.) and made a style that was fast protective and proactive in focus no matter where I was.
Iam a judo player most of my life, a throw comes automatically, its dangerous especially on the street when hitting concrete, your skull will get cracked, a brilliant sport for self defense.
@@christopherostoyic5079 Kimura himself said he would have lost that fight if they were the same size. Sakuraba was a catch wrestler. Both arts are fantastic, who wins usually depends on the fighter.
Judo is so underrated. I only have some Judo training, and I grew up in a bad neighborhood, and was able to completely protect myself in every fight because of it. Judo isn't usually a super violent art, but it is almost always a fight stopper. It ends things really quickly.
@@Samperor not worth aikido isnt effective in fights, judo is more a one hit KO on the streets but good throws are hard to get but one hit on concrete is a KO for sure
My dad is a 5th degree black belt in Judo and ran a dojo most of his life. Everyone I ever saw at my dad's dojo was generally huge, but most of the masters were kind of short and small because they have leverage and often rocked the big guys.
I studied Judo for 4 years and competed in my youth. I enjoyed it a lot and was taught by a 7th Dan black belt named John Panessa at Pacific Judo Academy. My Sensei made learning Judo fun, interactive, and it taught me a lot about discipline, fitness, and mental toughness. It also saved my life once against 2 attackers.
Im 45 what should i pick JUDO or Pankration. Im 5'11 225 benching 340lbs. Obviously only interested in self defense and last last but very last resort to use it.
Thank you for this Joe, it is refreshing to here people talk about judo in such a positive light. Over recent years with the few on popularity of BJJ people were very negative about judo. However, I think alot of BJJ athletes are recognising the value and the relationship between the two arts I love so much. The most damage caused to judo was the sport aspect once these systems of combat become a sport with points, and rules they change the system. E.g. ground work in judo was negatively affected when they put time caps on athletes so they were just stood up as a result coaches just taught judoka to turtle long enough for the referees to get board and stand them up. If that's all that happens why coach the ground aspect which causes it to die off. I myself was lucky as my coach loved ground work so we got to do loads of it. I also agree on the coaching advice my experience of judo coaching is a new guy walks into a club, they are given a rough idea of how to breakfall and few basic throws then it's on to sparing (randori). I'm not saying all judo coaches are like that but they are in my experience in the majority. FYI One of the reasons judo players are so strong is a drill they do in groups of 3. Uke (the guy throwing) tori ( the guy being thrown) and 1 more. They would select a throw (let's say a hip throw). The 3rd guy would go on his knees behind the tori and hold onto the tori's belt. So when the uke performs the throw he is doing so with the weight of 2 people. This is just one example of these drills. Thanks again Joe.
@@moonbull3137 Aikido does it a lot more, but as a judoka I can tell you it works very well when someone is pushing on you. The first of three elements in a judo throw is kuzushi, off-balancing your opponent. If they are being recklessly aggressive, 1/3 of the throw is already complete.
Yup, you definitely sound like Aïkido... And I'm a big judo guy. In judo, although you try to use your opponent's movement (and strength) at your own advantage, very often you need to use your own speed and strength to throw a guy. And the more you've got, the better. Just see Teddy Riner, he doesn't precisely look like an Aïkido master...
Totally disagree. I trained Judo for 6 years and I hate to break up the illusion but the harder someone with even a modicum of Judo experience fights, the harder it is to throw them. Its a painful, exhausting process of grip fighting and grip breaking, of moving someone who is fighting not to be moved. The last thing it is is easy. Unless they are pretty clueless.
@@iorekby You're right. But at some point your opponent will be forced to move, that's when you must be able to take advantage of his movement. But this requires a lot of technique.
Thanks Joe! It's great that you are acknowledging the strength of Judo. A lot of people know how BJJ was created and Maeda's hand in its genesis. A lot of people who watch MMA or practice BJJ forget or don't know that Maeda was trained in Judo by the creator of Judo, Kano Jigoro. In the early days of Gracie Jujutsu there was video footage of them performing Judo throws. It really does sadden me that a lot of those throws aren't practiced by a lot or most of the BJJ or MMA gyms. Well at least the ones to which I've practiced.
Anonymous Reviewer I’m not sure how the belt system works in BJJ but I’m currently only 15 years old and have been promoted to my 1st Dan based on my achievements in international competitions. So I have no idea how to compare judo and BJJ
Thats quite impressive. If you ever have the time, drop-in at a BJJ gym (usually $25) and take a class. At the end of the class you can roll (randori) and try your luck with a seasoned white belt (1+ year) as well as a blue belt to kind of gauge your newaza abilities. Let me know how it goes. And congrats again!
Anonymous Reviewer thanks! But I live in the Netherlands and BJJ is not really a big sport here and not a lot of people practice it. But I’ll do some research and try and find a good BJJ school
That is such a good point that many BJJ schools don’t teach or know from a safety perspective. I’m a 1st Dan in Judo and have mid Japanese JJ Dan rank. I was rolling with a blue belt at my BJJ club and I was letting him work. We started standing and he reached across and behind me to grab my belt. I was going to let him throw me but work for it. He switched to a guillotine but didn’t lock it in. I pinned his arm to my chest in case he tightened it. He lost his balance, tightened up the guillotine and tried to throw me with Osoto Gari. I turned as I fell to protect my neck but I was still messed up for 3 weeks. I explained how dangerous of a throw that is but he didn’t seem to care.
In my Jiu-Jitsu academy, we learn both. Foot sweeps, tosses, and the ground game of Jiu-Jitsu 😁 Our Professor's best friend is a higher belt in Judo. That part of the training, are some of my favorite classes!
Learn Judo for self-defense, jujitsu for defense against it, and kickboxing for defense against it. You don't want to be on the ground in a fight or punch someone you could break a hand. But throwing someone COULD end the fight right there on concrete or a hard surface. Judo is the best for self-defense IMO. But you need to know how to defend on the ground.
I was born with one arm so my parents put me in judo at age 6. Love it. I was at a tournament in Cranbrook Canada and I watched a brown belt get shoulder threw and landed wrong. Broken back.. sad. And it's not we are strong we just know how to use your weight and momentum against you.
Go Fish just look at khabib. Most of his take downs come from judo sweeps and throws. He also has a very strong clinch because of judo. He is black belt like his father. He uses his wrestling Throws when behind a target and his wrestling to keep them on the ground
I did Judo for 5 years back when I was in college. It's an awesome martial art, standing and takedown techniques are more practical and refined than BJJ while it has very limited Newaza techniques. People should definitely train in both to become a complete grappling specialist. Add Boxing to the mix so you can learn to close the distance against striking techniques.
So ironic, I literally started Judo a month ago and I’ve only taken a few BJJ classes. I may be stating the obvious, but I feel like people who only learn BJJ without Judo are really missing key components of the complete aspect of grappling. Judo is really underrated imo.
Oh I just saw the misleading video title, I didn't realise they were talking about BJJ since they dropped the 'Brazilian' to confuse people into thinking this video was about real ju-jitsu, not BJJ.
@@mrman2415 Wrong, you idiot. First off, Japanese (that is, real) jujitsu was very popular. That's exactly why the fraudster creators of BJJ and the fraudulent teachers ever since then tagged into the popularity of jujitsu by calling their new sport "Brazilian Jiu [sic] Jitsu" then intentionally dropped the Brazilian, to trick and confuse people. Many people practice Jujitsu to this day - many judo teachers and judo students practice jujitsu, whereas, conversely, BJJ students are encouraged to do judo (notice how they're not encouraged to do jujitsu, because then they'd find out the truth about BJJ's rip off of a martial art - so they're encouraged to do judo in addition to BJJ, not jujitsu in addition to BJJ). A legitimate martial art: - Has some sort of standardisation, at least amongst a particular style - Doesn't need to tack onto the name of an existing martial art to gain students - Doesn't need to then trick students by intentionally dropping the first word so students think they're practising real jujitsu or watching videos on real jujitsu - Doesn't have cheaters at major competitions (or if they are, they're punished rather than supported with excuses) - Doesn't need to attack other martial arts (aside from those that are fraudulent) - Doesn't make utter nonsense claims such as "80% of fights go to the ground" - Doesn't make false claims (a reason I also do not like BJA judo, as, although it's been deleted now, it long claimed to be the most effective martial art for self-defence at close quarters, which is nonsense as it relies on grips and, like BJJ, has limited techniques (though not as limited as BJJ)) - Doesn't promote itself as a brilliant self-defence art then say "Oh, we were only teaching sport BJJ, you need to learn combat BJJ to defend yourself So stop being sore and just accept that your "art" is a fraud, just judo's groundwork with some modifications.
@@Jordanthecool7 And that would not have happened if the BJJ teachers and fanboys hadn't been intentionally dropping the B to trick people into thinking BJJ is real jujitsu. Watch any judo groundwork - all BJJ is judo's groundwork, modified somewhat. BJJ is a fraud - from the fake statistics ("80 percent of fights go to the ground"), to dropping the B, to ridiculous ways of getting belts.
Judo is so effective I did it for one year in elementary school and when I was in highschool I would trip my friends who tried to wrestle me with such ease they'd get so pissed.. never done bjj even though I'm Brazilian but after watching UFC back in highschool as well I started sprawling off double legs with a guillotine... I wasn't fending off mma practitioners just regular guys but the point is knowing a little bit of judo and bjj can help you against a regular civilian trying to take you down... Just the basics is enough
I have introduced several people into BJJ/MMA. After a couple of instructional sessions, one person replied, "I know I should always carry my .380 now"... They realized within 20 minutes how vulnerable they actually were... If one is serious about self-defense, they should (in addition to MMA training) always have other options available other than "empty hands". "Empty hands" is the "last resort" option. Oleoresin Capsicum, expandable baton, kubaton, edged weapon, lock in a sock, bike lock, impact device, firearm, etc. should always be available depending on the legality and the situation. "Fights are won by training, planning and preparation." JLM circa '03 Greece.
Stephen Monroe Primarily father of 80% grappling is catch as catch can wrestling. Even Gracies trained with catch wrestlers and collected techniques from them, puttingthem into their art.
@@justathought7421 yea well when theres a shooting in my area every other month with someone with an illegally obtained firearm I'm glad i have my legal one to protect me and my lil boy
Did judo and jiujutsu at Roger Gracie Academy in London. Great people. Tachi-waza (stand up technique jj) is much harder and scarier for most people (and remember this has removed atemi -the striking- of jiujutsu). Judo is more well rounded as a base for a martial artist. BJJ will refine your ne-waza (ground technique). Judo will teach ne-waza too (and how to apply pressure rather than just be passive/soft) and stand up (throwing AND ukemi) and make your body supple, hard and crazy strong. Plus it refines your balance to a razor's edge. My Judo teacher showed quickly how to do judo without a dou-gi on. Easier than some would have you believe. Do both under the best teacher you can find. That's my experience. Find yours.
Judo is amazing. I found it on accident at a community college. It's probably the strongest I ever felt aside from working on a farm for a summer. Judo and skateboarding taught me how to fall and not break anything.
i remember he did that to Ricky the Dragon Steamboat on concrete outside the ring back in the day. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qLzHTVd1Qcs.html
Going to the ground in a street fight is suicide. Your not fighting one person, your fighting them and their friends. Stay on your feet. Toss them to the ground and be prepared to fight more than one person.
@@pederpedersson8951 The people who don't care or don't know tend to be the ones who failed English in highschool. You should know the difference if you're old enough to be on the internet..JS. I usually don't correct people and be an asshole though.
but you as to be close to the enemy and he can punch you . the more practical arts for streeth fight are: boxing ( because the problem with kicking is balance and in the street 1 second you are off balance you are dead) judo/ wrestling for fast throws, and finally jiu jitsu but jiu jitsu not work against multiples attackers
@@k9m42 Dude that is just nonsense. This is simply more "grappling > everything else" ideology. I trained Judo for 6 years. A guy came in to class one day with a shiner, Turns out he got in to a row with a guy at a party and the guy clocked him before my buddy could react. And this guy was a 1st kyu at the time and had been doing Judo for a few years. Judo didn't help him from getting punched, Judo is great but its nowhere near as simple as saying "Judo beats boxing". It's not rock-paper-scissors. It's far more complicated than that.
@@natekelly770 Let me rephrase that: National level Judo champion and wrestler against not-very-good journeyman boxer.. Seriously, Savage was not a serious boxer. He lost *46* fights as a boxer. He was a tomato can. Skillwise it was like sending a 4th kyu Judo player in to fight a world ranked pro boxer. And like I said you are ignoring the fact Labell wrestled too, he did not rely just on Judo. It's not a great example for a bunch of reasons. You would need a pure Judoka vs a pure boxer, who are at the same skill level.
Blade Master95 the more dangerous things you add to your life the higher chances you have of getting injured by one of them. Just sayin. And jujitsu would be more of a hobby for me. Never riding in a car is almost impossible.
It is very helpful when Jiujitsu schools that don't teach throws have students or black belts that know either Judo or Wrestling. I used to train at Marcelo Garcia at Dallas and we had guys who knew wrestling so we had Wednesday take down classes taught by a student and it helped us a lot at least not to be afraid of take downs and throws.
In my jiu jitsu class they would begin with teaching us a specific take down technique or toss and it was almost always judo. We would run drills of that for about 10-15 min then go into working ground for sometimes the rest of the class, other times we would split off into partner drills and sparing just depending on your partner. We had specific gi and no gi days. I hated getting choked with my own gi more than anything.
After watching the fist ufc in the mid 90's I knew i had to change my traditional jiu-jitsu. I was already skeptical about the effectiveness of traditional jiu-jitsu because all my friends were brawlers and I knew 90% of my crap would not work. I dropped a load of curriculum, removed katas etc. everything that was useless. I combined wrestling as my friends and I were all high school wrestlers. I changed our striking from wado-kai karate to kick boxing. Our sparing was full contact with takedowns etc. I did this so we could compete with BJJ. We would enter the BJJ tournaments and go to all the seminars we could in Ontario. We trained with GSP, Couture Henderson, etc. These guys would do training seminars to make money in the late 90's etc. There was a grate awakening in the 90's. Traditional martial arts were highly ineffective. The one thing that was effective from our traditional jiu-jitsu was our throws. Similar to judo. From what I was taught, Japanese jiu-jitsu (traditional) was the original art. BJJ and Judo came from this.
GSP also mixed a lot of Judo throws in with his wrestling. Look at his fights with Matt Hughes, he had some great Judo throws in there. In one of his most recent training videos he also shows sumi gaeshi as a technique he likes.
I started Judo in 67 and retired in 98. Judo doesn't work because of strength, it works because of technique. T takes a very long time to become effective at it, but in a street fight it works very well..foot sweeps in a fight are so overlooked and work so well, as do throws toward opponent's rear as opposed to shoulder and hip throws, which are effective but more dangerous to try because of turning your back to opponent. Glad you mentioned my art.
I actually done judo between 1981-1986 and Wtf tae kwon do 1981-2000 and on those rare occasions when I've had no option but to defend myself judo has been good to me. Very good. I'm not saying that I'm always walking away winning but I felt its been a good way of getting to know how to manipulate the opponents balance and get him down and control the "crazy swinging". It's like learning to ride a bicycle. It never really goes away like today at 48... Couldn't use taekwondo at all. But judo still sits there somehow
As a long time judo black belt and a recent jiu-jitsu black belt, I can attest to the fact that training in judo markedly augments my jiu-jitsu. Strength is important in both martial arts. However, there is no substitute for good technique and taking the time to become proficient in the fundamentals. Please remember that both competitive jiu-jitsu and competitive judo are sports; players competing for medals, trophies, social recognition, etc.. Unfortunately, many of my jiu-jitsu and judo brothers/sisters naively or mistakenly conclude that the techniques are preparing them for combat off the tatami. This is a conclusion that has resulted in many players not performing well in street fights or in self defense confrontations. We are creatures of habit. Compliment your sports judo and sports jiu-jitsu w/ learning compatible self defense techniques. Peace and stay safe. [P.S. Mr. Rogan.....Stay Amazing].
I trained with a Judo trainer years ago. We were learning traditional Judo with decent amount of joint locks, submission techniques, even some strikes combined with throw technique. Even the olympic Judo is something I'd prefer to be good at in a street engagement than BJJ. Traditional Jututsu though has decent throw techniques. Naturally, as Judo originated from the traditional JJ.
I’ve been doing no-gi grappling for many years and BJJ for the last two, and started doing judo literally three weeks ago, after watching Andrew Wiltse’s video on street fight advice. I was also tired of sitting down the moment I realized somebody had takedown skills. Funny enough, I was able to take down two or three of my peeps at BJJ class, after only three weeks of judo. Highly recommended!
Gotta love Judo. Brown belt here, going for my black in a couple of months. I still have a lot of love for Karo Paresien (probably spelled wrong, but I can't be arsed checking). So underrated....
Most fights start on the feet. Learn judo so that, after one fighter goes to the ground, you're still on the feet. Judo was invented to be used against armoured opponents that could withstand strikes all day (because you're not punching through iron and steel), and its still used in very similar fashion in modern army combatives. The original goal of judo was to throw your opponent on the ground and then finish him with a weapon. Back in samurai days, that was a sword, but nowadays soldiers are trained to judo throw people to the ground, disengage, and shoot them. Anyone who says judo is ineffective in a real fight has never been thrown onto pavement and then soccer kicked in the head a few times.
That's Jujutsu you're thinking of, aka Japanese Jiu-Jitsu, the predecessor of Judo. Judo was invented in 1882 by Kano, due in large part to Jujutsu's negative reputation at the time which it got from a history of different clubs brutalizing each other with it (afaik, there's other things too), as it's an actual warrior art that includes killing/paralyzing moves, as well as striking as supplement. So you can think about it like Judo was created as a softer sport-version of Jujustu which focused & developed on the throwing aspects of it and removed the more dangerous stuff (as Kano was a visionary, and thought of it as more than a way-to-kill which Jujutsu was), and then from there BJJ focused & developed on the ground-grappling aspects of Judo as Helio Gracie wasn't strong/tall enough to do many of the throws which his brother Carlos could (iirc).
To Joe's point, people forget that you' won't typically be wearing only a pair of shorts when you get into an altercation. Learning to grip up, tie someone up, and later trip or throw them is very valuable - 90% of the time if someone attacks you, you'll be in at least a t-shirt, jeans, etc but could be in a winter jacket, scarf etc.
The dojo I go to here in Alberta, Canada. I study Brazilian Jiu-jitsu and the head Master Behiring of the 19 "Arashi do behiring" clubs we study under. He's also a black belt in Judo. He wanted his clubs (Degree Black Belts) to teach Judo with our Brazilian Jiu-jitsu. Im fortunate to be learning both. I recently found out not all clubs mix in the 2. I totally agree with Joe Rogan. Learning Judo really helps if your club doesn't mix it in. Its so much easier for those that do study BJJ to get your opponent on the ground quicker.
Judo is practised pretty close to full tilt for most of the session which does help build strength and stamina. Being flipped vertically above the head of someone smaller than you is a great reminder not to go around getting into fights. Some of the most awesome 'human weapon' judoka I train with appear easy pray to an untrained eye. You're just lucky they are nice people with great self discipline partly developed through the culture of learning, friendship and respect fostered in the sport, otherwise you might not have woken up to realise and learn from your error. Lastly, you make an error in judo, your partner will teach you how to avoid it, even if that means you learn to defeat them. Many jujitsu players like to roll with judoka. It's always fun having a novice judoka that can put up a challenge on the ground. There's a lot we can learn from each other.
I have to agree with Joe. I have always said and believed the same thing. When I started Judo back in the early 60's (I'm 72 now). We also practiced Hawaiian JuJitsu (was original AJJI but then morphed into Kodendan and eventually JuJitsu America under Wally Jay & Willy Cahill). Right from the beginning it was apparent that Judo was needed to make JuJitsu useful. Back in the day, Jujitsu was not done at 100% where people would go all out. It was more akin to Karate of the day with no contact sparring/tourneys. Judo was 100% all the time either going for throws and if it went to the mat, control holds, armbars or choke holds, as well as learning escapes from the latter. I was taught under Willy Cahill (a great instructor and person) where I attained the rank of Godan in both arts. When I opened my own school back in the 80's, I always made sure my students where competent in Judo while learning self defense (I had also studied Praying Mantis Kung Fu from Brendan Lei and Kenpo from the Castro Brothers, but Judo was always my love and "go to" art.
@charli c- Thats awesome. Mr. Cahill is a great man and pioneer of judo/ju-jitsu. The training i got at his academy was invaluable. Awesome place to train👍
@@danielb5171 Someone from Willy's. That's cool. I was his first white belt to Shodan in Judo. He had other Black Belts but they had already been promoted by his father. We had great times there and we did things that they could never do now due to the litigious society we live in. He was like a father to me and I am still occasionally in touch with him and his daughter Karen. I have had many of my students tell me that I am a great instructor. I always correct them and tell them I am a good instructor, I learned from a great instructor. You take care. You learned from the best!!
The most important aspect of judo is learning how to take a fall. Not just break fall, but when you get thrown enough that in the split second of air time of the throw, you become aware of your body's position as it travels through the air, and you instinctually correct to put yourself in the proper position. I've always likened it to Spider sense, or the gymnastics "air awareness" that gymnasts develop. It's fascinating because that time frame expands and it feels like time slows down for a moment. You also get the variety, from trips to summersaults to being thrown off someone's shoulders after a Kata Garuma. So much resides on protecting yourself and your head.
Real talk, of you want to learn judo, learn traditional judo instead of competition judo. 4-8 moves vs 30+ in same time frame. If you want to move like Mifune, traditional judo . You want that red/white or white/red belt. Don't stop doing it. One of the greatest honors I ever head was meeting several of these masters. So effortless yet gentle. Watch videos of Mifune doing moves. AMAZING
Sport Judo is probably better than traditional Judo for overall fighting ability. Traditional arts tend to focus a lot on not pressure testing skills, whereas in sport Judo, even though there aren't leg attacks (its only small weakness as a grappling art imo), you can train at a 100% intensity a wide range of grappling skills against fully resisting opponents
I’m not really to much of a Judo guy, I know the simple stuff and I know a few more advanced take downs but massive respect for showing Judo the love it deserves.
When I was in Kempo, my Sensei taught a Judo based self defense class on the weekends. I only took the Judo for 2 months but that’s the reason I arm-bared everyone who tried to bully me!
That’s why I train traditional Japanese jujitsu, I would feel I have double the skill set than if I did bjj purely because of throws and sweeps etc aswell as all of the ground game and some striking too, but I mix it all with mma training too so it’s great
All fights start standing. Shuaijiao, Sumo and Inner Mongolian Bök are standing jacket wrestling styles and they throw you on the ground and remain standing. Mongolian Bök allows hand touching ground and Judo allows ground fighting. All these five styles were used by hereditary military classes. The term Judo was used by some Kito Ryu samurai in the 1700s and Kano Jigoro adopted it.
Back in the day when I was a bodyguard I had a jujitsu guy that trained us in submissionholds and defense. He was 5'10 190lbs strong as hell. I'm 6'8 at the time 320lbs and he taught me so much. People go for my knees or lower body head on. Your going to have a severely damaged face and choked out. Jujitsu is great!
When I started judo, I noticed my and other white belts's knees took the biggest beating. All the rotational and twisting movements - even for the basic throws like ippon seoi nage - required a degree of connective tissue strength I just didn't have, even from years of squats and deadlifts.
Frank Mabry What kind of mobility work can held strengthen your knees for Judo? My right knee is really bad with this and I’d like to prevent the need for knee surgery in the future...
I'm a Judo Black Belt and BJJ brown belt and I really appreciate your words here Joe - we don't reach out in Judo for promotion or marketing very often so this is refreshing you've put some love n respect for Judo! I talk about this exact thing in some of my "JUDO FOR BJJ" YT vids also... always good to TRAIN BOTH! Respect...
Joe your forgetting about Khabib who is a black belt in Judo (along with being an international master of sports in sambo which originated from Judo and is very close in style to Judo). He regularly uses trips and throws and also has great balance
