It is funny. But i think its more about admitting to your ignorance and not pretending that you know history as if you know it to be 100% factual or that you have all the knowledge and others don't.
I think he’s the ignoring it lol. The guy was constantly making puns and plays on words... hi (high) shaman... squeeze the charmin (shaman) ... then hit him with wheelie hard... joe prbly couldnt take anymore amateur popsicle stick jokes.
As a history geek and a Mexican who’s obsessed with his indigenous ancestry, I’ve been dying for Hollywood to make a perfect film on the conquest of Latin America. Mexicos entire history, dating back to pre-conquest, is it’s very own entire series of Game Of Thrones, I shit you not! It’s intense, bloody, corrupt, betrayal, filled with redemption, honorable, remarkable - all in one.
Im from Colombia, and speak Spanish. I went to Cancun 2 years ago and noticed a lot of the locals were speaking a different language I had never heard before. When I finally asked a merchant I bought a necklace from what language was he speaking. He told me "Maya". I was blown away. Amazing how hundreds (if not thousands) of years later people are still speaking an ancient language.
I’ve always wanted a sick Netflix series about the Aztec or any of the empires … made just like thrones… imagine how legendary that would be! Season upon seasons …
@Luis Reyes nobody would be able to do it justice. So much of the culture and stories were lost when the Spanish colonized that region and forced Catholicism. Natives of North America were more able to preserve some of their culture and stories because of the reservations.
Do you realize how hard it would be to emulate or even figure out their lifestyle back then? They didn't have books or paintings like we had. The history is so sparse. It wouldn't work at all like game of thrones. That's such an arrogant white westerner thing to say. It would be like a bunch of white people making Aztecs look like medieval white people.
The Aztecs didn't live in Teotihuacan, that city had been abandoned for centuries when the Aztecs existed. Aztecs lived a few miles away in a city called Tenochtitlan (which is buried under Mexico City's Downtown).
Es la primera vez que escucho este programa y me encanto. Hablan y hacen preguntas tan interesantes que nadie se ha hecho en un salón de clase... Wow que padre hubiera sido que así me enseñarán historia cuando estuve en la escuela.
As a man of Mexican descent this is good to hear people's perspective about my ancestry I did a DNA test and 53% of my ancestry is from the Iberian peninsula and the rest is from Mexico
Joe really needs to do a documentary like Parts Unknown but for ancient civilizations. It would be awesome to see Joe travel, converse and analyze all of the incredible ancient works like pyramids and what not
I don't know about that. Joe don't know much in depth. Amazed that Mexicans speak Spanish bc they were conquered by Spaniards like he just heard it or realized it for the first time ever. 😆
@@mayc8674 I don’t think the host needs to know much about it. If anything it’s better that they don’t know much as it’ll be a learning experience for him and we get to see the reaction on film. It would be annoying if some know it alll went around the world acting like they knew everything about different cultures and societies and it would also be disrespectful to the people of those countries especially if it’s an American dude acting like he knows more than the people themselves
I am Mexican. I live in the north part of the country but I do admire the Aztec culture from the center of Mexico. However I must admit that the Aztecs were actually pretty brutal oppresors. Theirs was an empire of nightmares and wonders....
The Romans killed people in a stadium and enslaved people as well but everyone talks highly of them without mentioning their brutality. What's the difference from what the Mexica did. They were an advanced civilization if you looked past all the other things.
Josh just goes over it, but when I found out about the usage of ponds to look at the stars through their reflection, it just blew my mind. It's such an ingenious way to study the sky.
Awesome interview! I been in Teotihuacán and Puerto de Palos, Spain where they have replicas of the boats (carabelas) and the only thing that I can say is that I had some weird feelings. Btw, the Aztecs have beautiful poems, especially the ones wrote by Nezahualcóyotl.
Los aztecas era bastente odiados por todas ls demas tribus , eres delenzables hacien cientos de sacrificios de bebes , cortes solo pudo conquistarles porq se le unieron todas las tribus y grupos q estaban sometidos por los aztecas
just for the record, when the Aztecs arrived to the Mexico Valley, they found Teotihuacan LONG forgotten and in ruins. the time between Teotihuacan's construction and the Aztecs arrival is larger than the Aztec's arrival to this day.
It was probably built by ancient ancient Mayans before they migrated further south and before they were called Mayan. Mayans had pyramids all over the place.
@@marcusbrody8002 thats not confirmed, its just a theory, and like the commenter above stated they probably were not even called mayams and identified themselves as a completely different culture. We are talking thousandw of years here.
And if you go to Uxmal, you can say stuff in front of one of the pyramids and the sound comes back out at you through a tunnel as if someone inside is speaking. Must've really wowed crowds when shamans got the gods to speak from inside the pyramids lol
@@benbowland I guess its possible where we get the common folklore or stories that have a talking building or sculpture. I would love for engineers to design a place like this in the modern age.
Studying our own Polynesian civilisation has lead us back from the South Pacific Ocean to this land mass and civilisation and people. Our astronomy's are similar, religious beliefs (our gods before christianity) and we have structures (pyramids) build all our our islands that would have been a mimic of the Aztec structures. Would be awesome to have joe do a take on Polynesia.
..it would be subject to academia of the day and whose version is being promulgated as the current narrative. Rapanui, with its statues and written language throw a different perspective on Polynesian settlement patterns compared with other island groups, and add to the milieu of origin and influence. With Cook and other Eurpean explorers being discredited and vilified for their incursions into the Pacific, a Pacific perspective is welcome, but is subject to tribal and regional prejudices that may be detrimental in establishing a clear and honest appraisal of the situation. So who is Joe going to have on the show? The Rock? Manuia.
Ditto!! 100%! I would love to talk with this guy. He almost explains shit like he's high af. Who's about to stop at any point, mid thought, and say " ugh, ya know what I mean?" Lol. I can follow this dudes thought process, and he had me cracking up!
I was at Chichen Itza in 2011. I was standing where they had there games and the the sound was travelling was so precise and calculated. Out of this world !
Typical anglosaxon bs propaganda. The spaniards were not the ones with extermination fetishes unlike the anglos and dutch. even Charles Darwin's grand dad admired the Iberian system. “In my study trips I have been amazed at how the Spaniards treat the Indians, like similars, even forming mixed families and creating hospitals and universities for them. I have met indians that were mayors, also bishops and even soldiers, wich results in the social peace, well-being and general happiness that we would like for us in the territories that, with so much effort, we are taking from the Indians. It seems that the London fogs cloud our hearts and minds, while the clarity of sunny Spain makes them see and hear God better. My lords, you should consider the policy of depopulation and extermination since, clearly, Spanish faith and intelligence are building not an empire of death like us, but a civilized society that will eventually end up imposing itself as a divine mandate. Yes, it is painful to recognize that Spain is the wise Greece and the imperial Rome, while we, the Kingdom of Great Britain, look like the evil Turkish corsair, eager for plunder”.
@@DCM88 Actually the initial colonizers were a bunch of criminals which is what the spanish crown lent to Columbus. Their disorganized settlement has even been traced back as one of the reasons of why corruption is so prevalent across Latin america. The anglos might have come with a more straightforward "cleansing" plan because they needed it to clear way for farming, latter industrialization, etc. The iberians might not have had that intention, but did it anyways through the diseases they brought which on their own killed millions.
Legend has it that if you say TeoRoguacan 3 times in the mirror at midnight Joe Rogan will appear with a DMT pipe and give you hand job while you smoke it.
The Aztecs had wheels, it's just that they're not very useful when the terrain is mostly rivers and mountains. Heavy transport took place by boat. They didn't have horses or oxen to pull heavy carts, so a wheel has limited utility. They were used mostly for toys.
@@truthmonster3290 well, bridges in this case. And they'd need much more of them, and better, than Europeans would. Also, it's tough to move all that stone without oxcarts. No cows, no horses. Llamas and alpacas just aren't as strong. EDIT: llamas and alpacas were an Inca thing. The Aztecs didn't have them. My bad.
@@truthmonster3290 with horses. And oxen. And donkeys and mules. And after advanced road networks and construction methods had been developed in the lowlands by other civilisations, who also possessed these resources. The Aztecs were pretty damned smart, building a major civilisation with a fraction of the resources Europeans had. If they didn't use wheels on a large scale, it wasn't because they hadn't noticed they go round and round and stuff.
@@unclescipio3136 they didn't even use arches, it was a long rectangle rock on top of the doors. they couldn't sail to Europe because they didn't know how. If they did sail to Europe their disease would have spread, they would have showed no mercy. There were plenty of animals here to pull carts, including humans. So, give Europeans credit. Thank You Europe, say it with me, Thank You White Man.
They had wheels they just didn’t really use it for building it was for toys. And Teotihuacán is not Aztec at all it’s like almost a thousand years older than the Aztecs
People tend to forget that when Cortes and his small group of Spaniards conquered the Aztecs in Mexico City, they also brought about 100,000 other armed Indians with them that were just a little bit ticked off at the Aztecs.
my family owns tons of land around teotiuacan, my mom told me that back in the 80s she went on a trip over there and discovered caves that went underground close to the pyramids, she said that she and her friends went in and found orange/pink pyramids below in the caves and that some of them where upside down. they went back a year later, and the govt locked it up so nobody could go there
One thing, Teotihuacan was not built by the Aztecs/Mexicas. By the time they entered the valley of Mexico, Teotihuacan had already been abandoned. Aztecs were nomads, and settled in current day Mexico City. It is believed that the Aztecs were among people that migrated from Arizona and were the modern day Hopi. Other than that, I really recommend everyone go to Teotihuacan and if they’re around Mexico City visit “El Templo Mayor” which was actually built by Aztecs/Mexicas.
I understand that they were trying to settle and were kind of mistreated by everyone already there. So they got to become tough and militar so they could be respected. And they gain their respect, building a city on a lake, and subjugating other through militar campaings, but also gained their fear and resentment.
@@MrErickloli yes that caused their ultimate downfall. The Spanish found tons of rival nations and moved to work together with them as they were originally outnumbered 10 to 1.
@@stevn7489 Yes, Templo Mayor is in La Plaza de Las Tres Culturas. It is still in ruins, however visiting the museum is worth checking out. I also really recommend visiting the Museo Nacional de Antropología.
@@antoniotellez8461 if it’s the one across from the Chapultepec grounds, I’ve gone already. In other words ya fui compa. Great stuff, I went after taking a Modern Mexico History class so I was my own tour guide.
The mesoamerican cultures knew about the wheel. They have found toys in ruins with wheels. There just wasnt a massive domesticated animal in the americas to be able to pull things.
Yeah but they didn’t use the wheel the way that would have been most useful. I don’t buy the idea that you needed beasts of burden to have the wheel be applied. There were all kinds of human pushed and pulled carts around Europe and Asia and Africa and I feel like being able to push and pull stuff as a human should have reason enough to apply the wheel as a tool to say the wheel barrow or human powered carts. What you’re saying is like saying Leif Erickson discovered the Americas which yeah he landed here but did not know the significance of his landing.
I think Aztecs initially, having never seen horses before, believed that an armored man on a horse was one large animal. Perhaps a godlike fusion of man and beast. "Aztec", a novel by Gary Jennings, is an epic and well-researched historical fiction novel and should be read by anyone interested in Aztec life and culture. That is, as we understand it...
Joe just ignores his pun jokes the whole interview, the whale did it on 'porpoise', building without wheels must have been 'wheely' hard. Joe 'just keep talking' Rogan
@@6obert-905 without the white man colonizers I and many other mestizo Mexicans wouldn’t exist. I for one am proud of my conquistador ancestors and my indigenous ones.
@Robert Cavazos Theres plenty of evidence for human sacrifice and cannibalis in Europe. Viking ancient Chinese and other Civilizations have committed these acts.
@@damianlopez9855 The historical concensus is that human sacrifice was much more prevelant in Meso-American civilisations compared to other ones that existed in the same period. If you want to argue human sacrifice on a large scale in Europe, you would have to go back to waaay before the Romans.
For anyone interested there is a book called: "The Broken Spears" that talks about the spanish conquest from the side of the Aztecs and the other indigenous people around the time
The acoustic capabilities are fascinating, I wonder in what other ways they applied this knowledge. It’s a fact that water is also invoked in Egypt, directly to the Great Pyramid and the recent void discovered above the grand gallery relates to one theory that says the pyramid was used as an advanced observatory for the stars and originally their was an opening at the top, hence the cap stone almost like a lens cap.
I visited the Monte Alban ruins in Oaxaca Mexico thinking it was gonna be a boring assembly of ruined temples, but wow I was overwhelmed with the design and geometry of the place. I felt like I stepped into a geometric vortex.
glad to hear u guys talking about this. mexico speaks spanish because it was the rule of Spanish. but all mayans ans Aztecs descendents we still here. and we speak even your language. we still here :) just waiting
Joe isn’t laughing because he’s so intrigued about what Hommes is talking about. Hommes says something, joe grasps it then his mind wanders off during the clever dad jokes
@@RizztrainingOrder depends on who he has on the podcast. These are entertainers. I wouldn't expect them to have many details about historical content.
I believe the "whistling pots " of Peru were used in these places. Several whistling pots blown at once created a state of euphoria 💜 Joe, please do a show on this!
Teotihuacan wasn't built by the Aztecs. It was built a thousand years before the Aztecs migrated to that region. The Aztecs saw it as an ancient mystery they could explain no more than we can, though they did name the site, Teotihuacan. Joe is correct about the thousands of sacrifices - the Aztecs were bloodthirsty in that respect; but that had nothing to do with Teotihuacan.
Teotihuacan was a multi ethnic city of a population of 200,000 plus. Cultures in the city were Zapotec, Tarascan, Maya, Shoshonian ethnic people as far north as the US Southwest and had goods as far as Brazil and mica from the Great Lakes region.
That's right. Although Teotihuacan is a name given by archeologists, not by the aztecs. Olmecs were the real civilization, everyone else took beliefs and knowledge from them. Aztecs were one of the many cultures living at the time, who imposed themselves over others already there with their organized military structure.
The Spanish had MASSIVE help from other tribes who HATED the Aztecs and couldn't wait to get back at them. Cortez was a master politician and had little to do with military skill or ppl thinking he was a God. Other tribes hated the Aztecs. This idea that the Aztecs were benevolent rulers and the Spanish were just that smart or militarily skilled is a myth.
Native allies were a big part of it, but Cortes and his lot were definitely capable soldiers. The Tlascala only joined with them after the Spanish fought them in battle, and Cortes defeated a larger Cuban expedition sent to stop his conquest of Mexico.
That's some what true but the Spanish were enslaving certain tribes and forcing them to work and protect them from hostile tribes. What we call Aztec were people that migrated from Polynesian area's throughout the Pacific into the Americas that encountered a conquered certain civilization's 1000's of yrs ago. There's ruin's in south America that predates any thing that Aztecs or Inca people were building or constructing plus Spain had to bring black moor's in as guide's because they were encountering certain civilization for hundreds of years before any white Spaniard set foot in the Americas.
@@stoneloc8979 you're a racist sir. Was it brown ppl???? No, it was black ppl who did it!!! Was it brown ppl??? No, it was Polynesian ppl who did it!!! Ppl like you can't give ANY credit to native Mexicans who immigrated from asia 1000s of year's ago. No!!! it HAD to be black ppl or Polynesian ppl. I can tell by your name that you're a racist.
Fucking awesome..Joe going deep with QOSA frontman..those first encounters from the Age of Human Exploration.Historical accounts of these meetings are fascinating.As Joe was saying to be a "fly on the wall" when Cortez met Montezuma would be mind-blowing.Also the moment the Native people saw these massive Spanish Ships Approaching,and then there actual arrival with horses, and armored men riding them... mind-blowing for the native people,I'm sure...very entertaining and thought provoking discussion...bravo boys!! .
12:16 No, Joe, Mexicans were NOT conquered by the Spaniards...the Aztecs were. Mexicans are the result of Spaniards absorbing and mixing with whatever remnants were left of the indigenous population of Mexico. This happened in the course of three hundred years (1521-1821). In some areas in Mexico, particularly in the South and Southeastern regions of the country, indigenous communities became isolated and kept their language, culture, and traditions to a high degree. In the Central region, the intermarriage between the indigenous people and the Spanish settlers occurred at a much higher rate. In some other areas (i.e. Northern and Western Mexico), there wasn't that much mixing between Spaniards and indigenous people because there weren't that many indigenous people to begin with...which is why the European admixture here can go up to 70% or more, on average. Nonetheless, I would like to thank you for at least bringing Mexico and its history up for discussion in your show.
The ancient Polynesian navigators used the stars to guide them while on a moving canoe by looking up and memorizing what they saw and passing that information on solely through oral tradition.
After the formalities, Moctezuma: It seems some members of my council believe that certain obscure prophecies are fulfilled with your arrival, *General* Cortés. But I see a man before me, not a god. Cortés: Belief is a powerful ally, Lord Moctezuma, although I share your skepticism about my godhood. However, your mortal enemies, the fierce Tlaxcalteca, with an army 200,000-strong, now believe that myth. Of course, enlightenment came to them only after we decimated their army. Moctezuma: Yes, I have heard of your exploits and adventures in the provinces. Please be my honored guest so that we may further discuss the political future of the land; perhaps we can reach some sort of arrangement. Cortés: It would be my great honor to be your... guest, Lord Moctezuma. (to be continued)
