Kratom is highly addictive. I used kratom to come off methadone, I than stayed in kratom longer than I was on methadone. The withdrawal suck, not as bad as methadone, but it still sucks I never heard of anyone dying from kratom alone. I was doing two hundred gram bags in 2-3 days. It did make it extremely hard to swallow food though. Things like bread and meats, if I swallow a piece to big I would feel it stuck in my throat, it hurt a lot. go to the bathroom trying to puke it up. But I also experienced this from pharmaceutical opiates at times. Even water was hard to swallow at times. If you use kratom to come off opiates. You will wake up one day and feel fine have the will power to stop.
Meth got me off that nasty habit! Now I'm digging my face apart and feel so much better. When I tweek out and steal my mom's purse I think "thank goodness I'm on meth now"
I started doing drugs since my teenage, got addicted to opioid. Spent my whole life fighting opioid addiction. I suffered severe depression and mental disorder. Was actually diagnosed with cptsd. Not until my wife recommended me to psilocybin mushrooms treatment. Psilocybin treatment saved my life honestly. 4 years totally clean. Never thought I would be saying this about mushrooms.
I love hearing great life changing stories like this. I want to become a mycologist because honestly mushrooms are the best form of medicine (most especially the psychedelic ones) There are so many people today used magic mushrooms to ween off of SSRI medication- its amazing! Years back i wrote an entire essay about psychedelics. they saved you from death buddy, lets be honest here.
Can you help me with the reliable source 🙏. I'm 56 and have suffered for years with addiction, anxiety and severe ptsd, I got my panic attacks under control myself years ago and they have come back with a vengeance, I'm constantly trying to take full breaths but can't get the full satisfying breath out, it's absolutely crippling me, i live in Germany. I don't know much about these mushrooms. Really need a reliable source!! Can't wait to get them
Thanks for sharing your story. That's rough I sympathize. Save your health save your mind. Life is better without heroin, cocaine, alcohol and cigarettes. And you have more money in your pocket. God bless everyone who has rejected the devils intentions to be addicted to alcohol and cigarettes etc which can cause so much damage to health. I will pray for you all.
Cody Stewart I've had that same thought. Everyone stfu about Kratom already!. When I first discovered Kratom no one knew about it, therefore I didn't tell anyone about it, 12 years later... Bam!... it's all over the internet!. It's like telling everyone about this great high paying job you're applying for, you're just shooting yourself in the foot.
That is the best way to put it! Big pharma gets antsy about losing 1% of sales for painkillers and detox drugs, and the alphabet soup of government agencies ride in to save us from safer, effective, natural and cheaper kratom! So glad we've got the best government money can buy! I guess we got quite the bargain by electing Trump - that probably cut out a few (hundred) middlemen
Cody Stewart Hello! And they are banning it as we speak in Wisconsin. I wonder what state is next? We have a Out-Of-Control Government with a bunch of Wacko Politicians who are drunk on Money & Power! Really Sad.
A robed jack-skunk visited my dream, told me to fertilize grass soil with warm liquid plastics. He instructed me to take the grass and burn it, smoke the dinosaurs, and win the war on drugs. You sir i choose to breathe this first. Your were prophesied, not by the robed jack-skunk, but by a beeming-curr. It's ordained. Send me location or else.
hal900x Thank you for your Common Sense attitude. I hope & pray that only people who stand up for Kratom will speak. Not anyone who wants to support it in a Negative way. All this does is feed our Hateful Tyrannical Government.
Illegal? The government can't control nothing, people always find a way to get it, the same way they claim there are no cures for certain diseases ironically there is if you stop believing everything they say, and find out for yourself.
And THAT'S the way to do it. ***(if possible ) cold turkey, get all that shit out your system. Unfortunately prison is the only way some people do get clean, not this Kratom everyone's raving about, sorry but YOU'RE NOT CLEAN if you're taking kratom
@@JaneCooper190072 and what's your perspective? Someone who has never been addicted to any substance? Someone who hasn't tried painkillers or Kratom? People die from quitting opiates completely. And if someone is taking kratom rather than heroin, they are clean. They aren't taking a substance that threatens their life with every injection. They aren't purchasing a drug illegally and risking being put in prison. Fuck off, some people are less fortunate and find themselves in bad situations. And it's people like you who make it seem like it's their issue for being addicted.
@@christopherharris8312 I've had opiate addiction for over 30 years, so I do know what I'm talking about actually, and concerning the Kratom you still need to withdraw off of that too, so no you're not clean. My friend tried kratom a few days ago and had the worse allergic reaction, she had a fever and was very ill. All I'm saying is you now have a Kratom addiction. The same with methadone you're at less of a risk from overdose, infection from injection sites e.t.c. ; but you're still addicted to an opioid and have a hell of a time coming off cold turkey. There's just no easy way to come off of opiates, you're going to go thru some discomfort regardless of what you take. The best way to do it is reduce as low as possible and then get something for about a week to get over the worst part. It IS their/our "issue" for being addicted. Who else's?
I like how Joe Rogan is a semi-informed, relatable guy, that brings on very knowledgeable guests and asks the questions that most people would want to know the answers to. He also puts forward the ideas and stereotypes that most people have, brings them to the table, and allows himself (and us) to be informed properly.
Kratom got me off of pain medication in the past, and then I stopped taking thd kratom and then has no withdrawals. Kratom saves lives, it is no killer. Besides if you start mixing stuff anything can kill you. Like idiots that get drunk while taking oxycontin. Since that happens on a by the minute basis now...Should we make booze illegal because people love to mix that with drugs of all types, or should the oxycontin be illegal because it wipes out about 40,000 people a year. Yet, it remains legal. Should it be banned? 🤷♂️ Nobody has an answer. But it is a proven fact that Kratom can help you get off of heroin or oxycontin without letting the withdrawals butcher and maim you. Peace.✌🙏👍
@@Ikari777 Two kratom pills is almost nothing. Probably wouldn't even feel it unless you weigh 90 pounds or something. 6-10 is more like a normal dose.
@klaus 420 True but if you take Kratom in capsule form you are just wasting it. I guess its ok since its so cheap anyway. If you actually split the capsules open and swallow it, then its about twice as potent. Most of what gets you high is when its absorbed in your mouth and such. In Capsule form a lot of it just passes through your system.
@spiderbaby203 highly addictive. After a while it doesn't do anything for u and u take it just to feel normal which sux because u were just normal before u started taking it. And it's expensive to top it all off.
William B. Keck thats not a more than likely it’s a flat out 100% impossible 😅 A gram can put you on your ass how the fuck are you gonna smoke 80kg of weed that’s impossible beyond impossible. However I would like to know how they calculated that figure... cause with concentrated thc oils now you could absolutely consume a large amount of thc that could equate to multiple ounces or pounds I couldn’t possibly estimate it but no fucking way you’re gonna od haha
Sugar Tits I think its referring to thc overdose so yeah that’s what I was thinking, resins and oils are crazy potent so you could potentially consume a shit load but I don’t think you’d come close to actually od’ing. Remember you’re gonna be getting more high the more you consume! It’s a never ending battle that continues to get harder! I don’t think I could consume my body weight of anything, least of all weed 😂
im a retired medical doctor.i went to thailand to do rehab after my total hip replacement.I also had many other problems including that my other hip will probably need a replacement and could be looking at spinal surgery.I treid other pharmaceutical pain meds which gave me come downs and made me irritable.I used kratom at 6 grams twice a day to get me through my strenuous rehab workouts.i did this for 3 months and stopped the kratom before travelling to australia where its illegal.I was reading about all the addictive properties and the withdrawals.I felt absolutely fine with zero withdrawal symptoms.the fact that governments ban plants will one day be looked at the same way people thought the earth was flat and burnt people for being witchs.This is a natural plant medicine and I hope this helps someone whos suffering now
Where can i get it please help me im on xanx my anxiety is horrible please i went off for 7 days and day 3 took a turn for the worse i couldn't walk sleep talk my nerves where off the chart it was hell on earth please help me where do it buy and what kind help me please
Had a bit of a cycling career in mid-West Fla, and a lot of the guys I rode with were ex-runners who all had their hips replaced by 50. That you as well?
Everyone's different there's some people that experience heroin like withdrawal but obviously with less intensity because it takes effect on your opioids receptor
@@1neAdam12 I'm a regular gym goer,was a wrestler in high school and started Brazilian jiu jitsu in my forties and trained regularly in that for 16 years up to black belt so not sure what caused it but probably overuse
@@MrDocboz Good for you.. It catches up quick though, huh. I don't mind so much the pangs of getting older. I spent my entire life tuning this body. I'd rather have creaky achy bones from being an athlete, than I would from living a sedentary life.
Famous Forever I take 3 milligrams per dosage as many as 4 a day and having Kratom is the only reason I could get off bupenorphine (Suboxone) which I had been on for 5 years after i decided to kick heroin and other opiates. I have been clean for a whole year in August and I thank God everyday.
Idk man, i tried kratom to kick opiates. And it didnt do anything lol and i took ALOT of kratom lols just felt like strong coffee. After about 30 min, affects were gone, and i was hella craving opiates again. Glad it works for some people. Only thing that worked for me was cold turkey, and Jesus Christ 🙏🏻. Thank God, ive been 100% sober from heroin, fentanyl, alcohol, and coke for 3 years now and going strong! My prayers go out to all the addicts out there.
If you drank it in a tea I do wonder if it would have also been a routine that promoted healing...idk been clean 12 years I just quit cold turkey and maybe would have tried this had I known about it.
I had the exact same experience trying to use it while coming off of Heroin and benzos. They didn’t do a thing to help me. Cold Turkey is the only thing that works. And THC
First, I got Kratom from a friend and it changed my life, later I was also getting the same brand as you from headshops, later I found a better alternative online - New Dawn Kratom (it costs like 5 times less and its way better. Kratom saved me from an alcohol addiction of 22 years. Haven't had a drink in 3.5 years and life has nerve been better. I tried rehabs, meetings, been in jail, lost jobs, lost marriages and I just couldn't quit. Thank God for kratom.
Incredible herb, kratom saved my life, can't be thankful enough for it! Thanks for sharing your story, I'll also look into your recommended vendor, they look really legit. I am currently also buying from head shops, I did not know you can get it online. Stay safe brother
What strain you are taking to avoid tolerance? I'm taking it for 1 year now and I'm good, but I'm trying to play it safe. Thanks for sharing your source, they look promising. Let me know your fav strain if possible
Kratom has certainly helped a lot of people with harm reduction from opioid addiction, but for me, I'd never been an addict until I started taking it. The physical and mental issues that come with it after years of use is something more people should be aware of. The quittingkratom subreddit isn't just fear mongering.
Delta9 gummies help me with booze cravings. And I don't really like weed. They just make me not want to drink. Tried kratom once and I either didn't take enough or just already had too high of an opiate tolerance.
I see people asking about kratom use all the time, and my answer is: if you don't NEED to be on it, don't start it. Edit for clarification: I have used it for 15 years to control pain. It works great, but I can't recommend it for recreation. That's what *real* drugs are for.
@@chompachangaswould you say it is possible to use it occasionally ? For example as an alternative to alcohol if I were to use it a couple times a month
@opiliones 420 Well, I'm never going to try amphetamines, but I do occasionally drink alcohol. I know my limit, and NEVER drive drunk because I'm not an idiot. Alcohol is addictive, but what you said about wanting another drink until you pass out is not so much the addictive element, rather that's just the alcohol screwing with your better judement.
u jest, but about 15 years ago, they did an extensive study of all the name-brand, top-selling multi-vitamins... and they found that the FLINSTONES had the most bio-availability, combined with a good range, and appropriate dosage; it came in #1, over Centrum, 1-a-day, and the equivalent generics
I got hooked on Oxy's after I separated my shoulder, I had a friend who owned a medical cannabis shop in Washington who put me to work and gave me all the pot I wanted on the condition that I didn't touch anything else. Been opioid free for over 10 years now not to mention what a difference it made with my ADHD.
I dated this weire chick once. Well it wasnt really dating, she just came over to my place a couple of times, but that is another story. Anyway I met her on some type of social media app and she posted a photo there with a bowl with this weird looking brown stuff on top. Some ppl commented "what is that?" She called it "moonrocks" but I made a comment that it was "black tar caviar" But she deleted my comment, lol. Eventually deleted her account there entirely. As did I. Btw she was also a former meth head and told me she quit using it years ago but that she could sometimes "smell it" while she was asleep. Girl was cra cra.
@Jim Cornette I am not sure what you are referring to because slang is different in different areas but from where I was at moonrocks meant bud that had been rolled in kief (look up kief if you need to) I never heard of anyone ever smoking MDMA. Molly is a pill. Although I am sure some idiots probably tried to crush it and smoke it or even snort it but I don't think they got any buzz from it. And any idiot who did that probably also thought chewing on tide pods was cool or funny
I've used kratom for the past 15 years or so to manage my nerve and arthritis pain. In that time, I stopped consuming alcohol, street drugs, I've kept the same desk job for 10 years, been happily married for 12, own a house and paid off the car. There seems to be a real disconnect between what people think a kratom user is and what we actually can be. This is largely due to the ongoing opioid crisis hysteria. There isn't a viable option for pain management available for a lot of people in the USA anymore. Pain patients are often treated like criminals and junkies and either turned away or monitored to the point of weekly piss tests and strict medication use guidelines. Prescriptions for opioid pain medication has dropped yet deaths from overdoses continue to skyrocket despite restrictions. Why? Fentanyl has filled that demand for relief. What exactly is the point of these restrictions when street fentanyl is cheap and plentiful? Anyway, I'm glad I got out of that racket. I feel like a beat the system and I'm lucky to be alive.
I’ve worked an honest lifestyle, work, don’t drink, don’t smoke, but my job choices are brutal to my body. I deal with so much pain and have no relief, I was at a shop asking questions and it’s supposed to help with pain and energy. I feel like some people can overdo anything- but the right person and the right dose/intention I think this can really help a person without it being disabling.
I’m grateful your 15 years into success it sounds to me and I’m glad to hear it could help me as well considering I deal with something -like- arthritic and nerve pain. Having no good drs around and x rays no one among other GI issues that can be very upsetting I’m hoping my first time today will be a blessing.
Does anyone answer please im on xanx never told how evil they where ween hahhaha you cant ween off xanx never day 3 i couldn't walk my legs where jello my mind gone my heart beating i jump at any sound please i need help i had no choice but to take them again 😢please any one with a heart help me please 🙏
I was an alcoholic for many years. Drinking cost me everything. My wife, my house, many jobs and even my kids stopped talking to me. Then I found Kratom and I have been sober for a year and eight months and have regained some of what I lost. The most precious thing is, I've reestablished a relationship with the kids.
@Fah Qtube Yep. Much better and more manageable than the old addiction. I suppose you have no flaws, huh. Must be awesome to be perfect. Tell me all about it
@@GeidRimla couldn't do the twelve steps. It's either take the Kratom and be sober more so than I was or go back to drinking and being an intolerable ass clown that does stupid shit and loses everything. I'll stick with the Kratom. Do you consider people who take coffee to be sober?
If it means anything I totally understand and am happy that you found a reasonable substitute for the alcohol Only alcoholics can appreciate what you’re saying Much love brother take care
I need to find out where and what to by to stop the 7 years of Subutex. I've told the doc long time I want off. He just says when myself. I cannot. I'm at 6 mg a day. Tiny pieces a day I take few times a day rather than whole pills. I cant handle the sickness it gives when I take it. I've been too long taking it. I dont need it anymore. I wonder if this kratom would work for 1 month plan. Or two weeks.
@@labba36481 withdrawals can last for a while particularly from synthetic opiates..Discomfort after the withdrawal have ended can go on for months. Finding your natural rhythm again without the habit is the new challenge and ultimate goal.
Exactly. There were only 32 deaths deaths w kratom reported and ZERO were kratom-only related. Every single case were poly substance associated. There were 52 caffeine-only reported mortality cases last year and 458 acetaminophen (APAP) deaths with >100k APAP poisonings. No one blinks an eye at that. Laughably ridiculous.
There have been cannabis deaths, aspirin deaths, and water deaths, really. We cannot take a life changing healing botanical away from the 1000s that have broken the chains of hard drug addiction because a few unfortunates had a reaction usually with other substances. There is a reason I never heard of kratom for the years of agony i spent hurting my family and myself and its not because nobody knew. Big Pharm is of course threatened by this viable and inexpensive opiate addiction cure but its our responsibility to those ahead of us who fall victim to heroin and pk torture to keep this legal and available.
I'm a disabled USMC Vet and I've had 12 knee surgeries, including 3 Knee replacement (2 on 1 knee)...and I've been on Tramadol since 1998....needless to say, i was addicted; not bc it felt so good, but bc the WITHDRAWALS ARE ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY THE FN BOOGEY MAN!!! Well, i heard about Kratom (O.P.M.S. Gold) and I'm glad to report that I've been Tramadol clean since Aug 2019.....Oh shit, i just realized its my anniversary Hahahahaha! Congrats to me!!!! It Works Fam!
@@Slipmahoney21 yeah tramadol is hard to WD from and It's not even a opioid.. but worst feeling is WD from Clonazepam . at least with opioids you know it's going to end with in 2weeks cold turkey benzos took me years to feel normal and never will . Benzo are the devil
Congrats man! I was addicted to pain pills and had to go to rehab for it. I have been clean for 5yrs now and take Kratom weekly. Its such an amazing plant and really helps with anxiety, pain, sleeping.
I am a recovering heroin addict and I take Kratom to curb my cravings. My husband got off methadone with it. That is the hardest thing to withdraw from. Even worse then heroin. He has been clean for 2 years and I have been clean 18 months. Both of us were addicted for half our life. Kratom saved our lives.
I was hurt very badly on the job and was prescribed heavy doses of narcotics by doctors for 20 years and the pharmacy filled it without question in high numbers and then the day came that the doctors didn't want to prescribe it and the pharmacies called me a drug addict for something they started and did without problem for 20 years. It is a screwed-up world we live ion.
man good for you. im currently taking both. but steadily moving on to kratom only. ive tried a few days of only kratom and i end up just not doing well. i get super sick. i was taking about 150mg-300mg of oxy a day. now down to about 20-50 and 3x 5g doses of kratom. god opiates are rough.
@@newp0rt you have to take it like every 3 or 4 hours every single time for the first few days after that space it out and continue to taper. That's the only way to prevent the severe withdrawal.
And roughly 200 people kill thereself each day also i feel like drugs are a way out but a gun is too banning something does not mean people wont use it or get it if you think that your very dumb slick all banning it does is gives plugs somethin else to sell for huge profites look at every drug era if you think im incorrect literally goes the same way every time if you want a diffeent system check out portugal they have made drastic changes in drug addiction in the population unlike the us which brands people as bad people and shames them which helps noone
I'm short a few days on my suboxone and I wasn't feeling well last night I bought some kratom and ate 4 pills felt ok today I took 5 2hrs later 5 more I feel great no more suboxone withdrawal I'm about to go buy more tonight thanks for sharing this Joe/Hamilton much appreciated
Yeah it usually takes 10+ to really knock down withdrawal. The only issue is (with me anyway) 2 or 3 days of taking 10+ kratom every 4 to 6 hours can make you sick in and of itself...let alone the withdrawal illness.
I was 22 haven’t touched drugs in years then I stumbled into kratom/kava bar had some friends there and was not properly informed of the addictive properties and boom 2 years later I can’t work or function w/o kratom and don’t know how to stop
If I were you, I would get a gym membership and take one or two weeks off of work. The first couple days just stay in bed. That feeling will pass eventually. Then go to the gym everyday, lift weights and do light cardio. You might just get addicted to the gym life but its a lot better than being addicted to a substance
@@punani_slayer4209 -- The only reason I ever wanted to try kratom was because the DEA wanted to ban it a few years ago. When I saw that I thought, "Oh this must be some good shite!" It was. I used the green or white variety (not the red, painkiller leaves) because it was like an amphetamine. Got me speedy and I liked using it for when I was working.
Jonathan Velder, Yeah, if you didn't add water to mix the highly water soluble opioids up in case of hot-spots, use the buddy system & use micron filters if you administered via IV, sure, but only junkies don't do that shit.
True Kash, Typically red vein is what opi users use. The rest are brands essentially, but I've heard good things about Mang De red vein kratom. One teaspoon is approximately two grams of powdered kratom, and most take 8-16grams per dose, IIRC. Hit up 420chan's opiate board if you wish to ask & inquire more.
Michael Hodgden people who defend opiates are always lying to themselves that they aren’t on their way out the door. You’re not gonna have some miracle realization that you’re about to od before you do. Smoke grass tweaker
Bruokoli, You won't know that you're psychologically addicted to cannabis until you are either. Opioids are HIGHLY water soluble, meaning simple water will distibute it evenly - There are four cornerstones to prevent opi OD's: 1) Don't fucking mix or add any other respiratory depressants. 2) Add water to distribute all opioids evenly in whatever you're taking, as there are even pressed pills out there. 3) Measure out one-eighth of said solution as a tester dose via prefered ROA and juxtapose strength through said volumetric dosage. 4) Use the fucking buddy system with naloxone at hand. I've hypothetically been using for over ten years and only OD'd once when I used a completely legal fentalogue RC. Never happened with any morphinan. Not to mention EtOH (Drinking Alcohol) is more lethal than all illegal, recreational drugs combined annually. Opioids don't damage the brain or liver like EtOH does nor does it produce excessive insulin which is also damaging through excessive amounts of carbs like EtOH does. Oh, did I mention how cancerous EtOH is? I'd rather OD and die and be done with it than loose my mind, need a new liver and/or acquire cancer or diabetes. Also, tweaker or tweeker is for stim users. And just for future reference, there's a major diference between junkie & addict, and it ain't what drug they use either; what do you think you strive for? - Not an accomplishment but the release of endogenous chemicals, the accomplishment is just the drug to release endogenous neurotransmitters.
"Man who fell off a bridge, got hit by a cement truck, and had heroin and meth in his system and a blood-alcohol content of .28 died of a Kratom overdose Tuesday."
@Jim Crow clearly kratom turned him into a psychopathic zombie and made him do PCP and LSD which then made him run onto a highway and get hit by a car which resulted in him overdosing on kratom. BAN KRATOM /s
@@calaclullaalaflulla5285 Ethanol is hydrophilic. Meaning it is fond of water. 200 proof ethanol is only possible in a vacuum. 194.7 is the highest yer gonna get.
I injured my back a couple years ago and kratom helped me a lot. Now that my back pain is gone I no longer take it but I’m glad it’s still legal and is helping other people like me.
Which one do you take? I’ve had 4 spinal surgeries and was just approved of getting a spinal stenosis inserted in my back to help with the pain and I tried the Bali Red Vein Kratom to see if maybe it would help, I keep trying different meds and different therapies.
I was on pain meds for 4.5 years because of spinal injuries. I was taking 200mg of morphine a day. Kratom plus CBD and medical marijuana got me off all of that for the past 2 years. When I was on pain meds it took my pain away but I felt like shit all the time. Especially in the morning when I woke up. With kratom I have been able to work out again consistently I'm stronger than I have ever been in my life at 32 years old. I also don't feel like shit every morning. The withdrawals of kratom is nothing in comparison to pain med withdrawal.
I've been taking Kratom powder for 5 to 6 years now. Other than getting naucious from taking too much at onnce I've never had any signs or episodes revealing that it was dangerous. Being an ex opiate addict I can tell you 100% that the Kratom plant helped me get clean off all street and pharmaceutical opioids! Thank God for the Kratom plant.
Just an FYI: You may not feel like that forever! I had a hard time getting off kratom and it's nasty! Made me feel awful...Hopefully, you won't have the same experience! Good Luck!
@@shannonbeee3760 I was just stating that Ive never felt as though it was dangerous. Now I'll be the first to admit that long term over use most certainly has negative side effects. It certainly is not pleasurable to come off of either. The first 3 days were of course miserable. I didn't start to feel normal or even slightly happy until days 7 through 10. Thank you for your comment though. Any accurate knowledge of this stuff is always good to share.
Better STAY AWAY from it unless you have strong chronic pains! The addiction is REALLY REALLY STRONG! I wish I NEVER touched it in the first place! It has also a LOT of downsides! 😪
I just tried it yesterday, out of desperation for back pain. I have failed fusion and spinal instability. It actually worked wonderfully. I slept, for the first time in months. In my bed! I didn't wake up from or with pain. No one has died from kratom alone. There has always been another substance involved. I was pretty much at the point where I was considering just ending it. The pain was so bad and had been unrelenting for years. I said fuck it. I'm trying it. I'm glad I did.
"People should be allowed to take drugs so long as they are educated about the risk" is about how I see it. We take that approach with skydiving, so why not drugs?
Because they can't justify spending millions of taxpayer dollars fighting skydiving like they did with the drug alchahol but they figured out something way more peofitable 80 years ago.
Drug users will stop at nothing to justify their abuse. I've yet to meet one person who has taken drugs responsibly. They always want that mile when all they needed was an inch. Responsible drug use is meant to just get the job done and make you feel normal, it's not supposed to make you feel amazing. I.e. Joe taking 8 pills instead if two. It is 100% in our nature to abuse drugs. There's nothing to justify.
Screw up on skydiving your died no skin off the government budget. Mess up with drugs you could be addicted and then put on government programs costing money or brain dead and on life support costing the system again. Ppl don't understand about their shitty actions tax the system we are all apart of. Something's just cause more issues down stream and ppl don't get it. Fuck socialism but a lot of ppl can't handle freedom because when they mess up they expect a hand out from the government. Balance shit out by force in a Democratic way. You have to get rid of the hand outs so ppl can't fall back onto the system which I think that net is to broad for fuck ups.
@@descripto2586 many drugs will rewire your brain to justify taking it. Your own mind will work against you to convince yourself its okay to take the drug In order to deal with the cognitive dissonance of being an addict drug users will lash out at anything critical of their usage of the drug or the effects of the drug. They get extremely defensive They'll push it onto other people without even realizing what they're doing because their brains are subconsciously thinking if someone else is doing it then it isnt so bad for me to do it. Everyone overestimates their own willpower and when drug users try to argue moderation theyre talking about some utopian user that might hypothetically exist, but it isnt representative of their actual usage. There is no moderation. People who say they use in moderation are usually just addicts in denial, and if you pay attention to them it becomes very obvious. It's scary stuff when you learn how to recognize the addicts defensive response.
I really am not trying to be a downer, but is that 2 straight years of using it? By all means, harm reduction is a strategy and I’d say better on kratom than methadone. But your son isn’t clean until he has nothing interacting with his opiate receptors, and time makes breaking a habit harder. The brain also learns, so to speak, and gets used to things - meaning going without after 2 years would be torture. If he’s still young and simple harm reduction isn’t all you’re going for, I’d look for a therapist familiar with kratom and talk out an exit strategy with GOOD SUPPORT in case things get hairy. I know it probably feels safer as is but the question becomes, is this what you both want for the rest of his life? Because it’ll only get harder, and as tolerance builds the risk of switching back grows also. As well, unlike say suboxone, kratom does not block the effects of opiates whatsoever. Just don’t think being on kratom is a cure all. It’s great for chronic pain sufferers, but for those that have addiction issues, it’s still a drug being used to alter one’s mood. Therapy is also worthwhile because usually there’s something underlying - for me it was anxiety and of course, opiates take care of that. So would kratom but I know it’s not a long term solution so I had to deal with some less wonderful days, worth it in the long run. In all seriousness, even if you never see this, I wish you and your son luck. Hopefully you also know the huge difference a supportive family can make in recovery, sounds like you have that part well covered.
I have over 2 straight years clean off opiates and amphetamines, I have been using Kratom every day. And while my kratom habit is getting heavy.. I'm still not using illegal drugs
Newname I agree that support is very important but I have support and it still gets hard. I also have chronic pain.. I'm 23, have a hip replacement, several broken vertebrae, and a broken tailbone. So I need something for pain
Agree with this. Kratom simply isn't powerful enough to replace the sucker punch of your opioid receptors that heroin provides. Its a tickle compared to a punch. But its good for getting off other weaker opioids, including oxycodone.
“It isn’t an opiate it’s an opioid” - things addicts say to make themselves feel better. Look if you want to take Kratom - do it. Just don’t go around saying it’s not addictive. That is dangerous. It is helpful for some people to get off opiates. However - staying on Kratom is not being “opiate free”. You are still addicted and reliant on a drug. Is it better than being addicted to Morphine - I think it is. It seems far less inhibiting. However if you are being honest you will admit there still have not been enough legit scientific studies on how this drug effects a human with prolonged use.
Christopher Echo I’m not an addict and don’t use Kratom, I was noting that they’re different. I never implied that it’s not addictive or dangerous so stop projecting.
Legal here in Florida as well. Such an amazing and helpful substance. I literally would not be physically able to do the job that I do without it. 3 grams once a day and I am able to live my life without painkillers or dangerous surgery.
I have had a severe mental dependency on pot for years (I know that sounds stupid), my new job requires me to pee clean and for over a year I couldn’t quite stop, Kratom has successfully got me off pot. It’s not the same at all but the slight calming and relaxing head buzz and the undeniable pain relief was what all it took to allow me to keep my job and sanity.
Tell me what to expect..I have this same issue but I use thos disposables from the cbd store here in Nebraska where some delta products are legal to consume. I don't use the real stuff as it's not legal here..any way, I would like to kick it and go get that job..pros cons give me your best Kratos 101 course. Serious ask.
He actually looks like my high school drug dealer who did in fact synthesize drugs in his basement and would buy tons of legal experimental drugs online, test them on himself, dial in the dosage and give out samples lol He is now a biochemist working in pharmaceuticals. High school was fun lol
@@austinmatthews6689 he's published stuff before and had an episode where he visited a chemistry mentor of his who was a legend in developing different psychoactive drugs so he probably does both
Kratom just helped me finally get off painkillers after 6 years of abusing them. 6 years of every day use and crippling anxiety and depression, I got off them with almost no issue thanks to Kratom. Didnt even go through withdrawal. Took it for the first month of being off painkillers and after that stopped the kratom and I have my life back. It truly is incredible if you are stuck in drug addiction
Use Kratom for pain med withdrawals , then cbd oil and aspirin to leave kratom. Then eat an antifungal diet to finish bringing good health back. Kratom after a few months will wreck your bladder , and kidneys by the way.
Congrats man... As someone that took painkillers and was shooting heroin for years I certainly don't understand how this was better than a really good 5 day subutex taper or even just a cold turkey cut out.. I found Kratom an awful solution that isn't effective enough to actually take away serious withdrawals and also just suffers from the lack of legality and therefore also the production of quality kratom. For me. Subutex was the savior. Long term Suboxone use is AWFUL. Just as bad as methadone and harder to come off than Oxy's or heroin. But if you're using oxy/heroin you can literally come off in 5 days with very little withdrawal and very little pain with a good smart sub taper.. i also know many people that got sober with kratom 3 times, subs 3 times, and methadone 3 times, only to then make themselves detox with nothing so that it would stick in their brain. Everyone is different. That's awesome it worked for you but I really hope people don't just jump on this. There's a reason it's not the go to.
@@josephgood2704 Every user I knew/know has a kratom stash right next to their sub stash, I have yet to personally meet anyone who it didnt work for but I am aware its not a solution for everyone. It can also become another addiction. But for me I felt literally no withdrawal and only used it for about a week. Used subutex and suboxone in the past and they worked decent, but seemed to make my rabid anxiety worse. Kratom however helped with it a lot. Just my experience. But thank you man, congrats to you as well
yeah but youre still going to have people abuse it and give the entire drug a bad name..As someone who is prescribed benzos for severe GAD from PTSD, i have to say it has changed my life, i used to go up to 2 weeks without sleeping to the point i would be out of my mind with delusions. I have been on it for 5 years now, i have never abused it, but than you have the select few that do abuse it and they give the whole thing a bad name as a result. Kratom will be no different the abusers will give it a bad name even for the people who take it responsibly and for medicinal purposes
I take it often and have never considered it something to party with. I mean, its less intense than weed. I can't imagine a bunch of frat Bros being like, "yeah man...got a keg of beer, an eight ball, some girls coming over, oh yeah and KRATOM."
Still had withdrawals from kraaaa tom. But I’ve also used it to detox from harder drugs. Saved my life. It’s a step down the ladder. You could also say it’s a step UP the ladder. Drugs make you feel great, everything needs to be used in balance or consideration
why is it a stupid comparison? The point is you shouldn't just jump to conclusions about whether something is worthwhile to take or not based on whether a few people among a population of billions have died
My friend's mom crushed her spine in a car accident and lives in constant pain. They had her on opioids for years so she could function like a normal person. Because of the "opioid epidemic" outcry they passed laws which cut her pain medication. She has been taking kratom to help with the pain and addiction. Now they even want to take that away. 500,000ish people die every year from cigarettes? If their reason for banning it is the death count, then they are either wildly hypocritical or have an alternative reason. Knowing big pharma, this is happening because they don't want to you to be able to treat yourself. I think we should have the freedom to ingest what we want. Do we not own our bodies?
It's legal where i am now and smoke going up for mom. I use Kraytom powder and it's a much healthier alternative than opioid pills. I agree with what you said and cigarettes and in my opinion alcohol should be more regulated than anything. How many people die from drunk driver's and liver disease? And it lead's to domestic assaults and in some cases murder. I'm a survivor of domestic abuse and will date anyone who drink's.
Josh from Duncannon but people are impressionable and your comment could be interpreted as negative. Currently the DEA wants to schedule Kratom. That would be devastating for millions of people who want an herbal and safe alternative to opiates.
I used to take 17-20 kratum shots a day. OPM’s. I started with 1 to get off of pain meds from an injury. I died and was in ICU for 10 days. Kratum is just as addictive as oxy in my opinion. Be careful Joe… It will grab you and physically grab you as well. Just my experience hoss. Have a great day!!
@@revan_247am6 well, we better stop doing that then, based on their argument of kratom being deadly. I rule, based on their logic, that humans must all be dead so that they will not die from living. This is a priority as living has a 100% death record.
After fentanyl patches and oxy from 2 spinal surgeries and a shoulder reconstruction, kratom saved me. Been taking it for 7 years for pain and it REALLY helps. Yes, there are mild withdrawal symptoms if you suddenly stop taking them, but they're laughable compared to coming off the pharmaceuticals. A walk in the park. Highly recommend, I get it at the smoke shop. They helped me get off the pharmaceuticals, and I'm STILL waiting for my money from the Tackler family
@no se Never said the water was toxic it's called water toxicity. It's a condition where drinking to much water upsets the electrolyte balance and can be fatal. Learn to read.
I lost 9 friends/co-workers in a helicopter crash and it destroyed me. I slipped into alcoholism and further wrecked my life for 4 years. One day my buddy gave me a couple kratom capsules to help with motivating me at work one day. I’ve been taking it daily for 5 years at this point. Had it not been for kratom, I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t be here. I’ve been slowly reducing my doses and I’m now down to about 4 750mg capsules per day and I am going to be off of it completely soon. All without a doctor. If you don’t use it like an idiot, it can be an invaluable tool. This plant saved my life. Edit: You all are insanely kind. Thanks for all the generous words and thank you for showin' up for a homie. ✌
Did you quit finally? I am trying to. The withdrawls are nowhere near heroin but it still sucks, I just need to man up and put up with the restless legs and snot lol.
@@skipstodder8996 I haven't completely stopped taking them yet. Currently, I take one capsule when I wake up and one in the evening. I definitely felt the withdrawals that you're talking about though because I would take one of my days off and fight through it without taking any or very little. When I would resume the normal routine, each dose would be a little smaller. Example: If I was taking 5 capsules every 4 hours, 7 days a week, then after my "purge" day the normal routine would be 4 capsules every 4 hours etc etc.. Little bits of weed helped when I had problems sleeping but if I didn't have access to weed I'd probably just do Tylenol PM or something like that. I also ate a little healthier and started taking complete vitamins and it seems to help quite a bit energy-wise. I know it's annoying af but you'll get it. 💪
@Lord john of castle johndle What do you mean by that? Do you mean that if your drug of choice is heroin, Kratom is the drug for you? I don't get your reply.
Can relate with you guys, was on pain killers, then suboxone for years ! My biggest demon was always alcohol for some reason tho ! I don’t give a fuck what other people say , I take kratom over all that other shit any day !!!!!!!
@Guy It completely destroyed my emotions and made my life dull and gray, in addition to having lower sex drive, lower motivation, less energy, and hair loss.
Kratom legit give me a second chance at life I was living the nightmare of relapse after relapse after relapse was very seriously considering committing suicide because I couldn't beat the demons then kratom came into my life 2 years clean after 20 years of literal hell
