Joel Baden: The Bible Doesn't Say What You Think it Does 

^^^ THIS ^^^ And The Library is Closed.

So true.

Typical Dunning-Kreuger...

@@SNORKYMEDIA How do you know this? If you're a non-believer, you don't understand it . If you are a believer, then I"m sure you can explain your statement.

@@E.K.2003 Was your comment meant as a joke?

And sometimes it used to explain God's plan for mankind

and sometimes it is used as a suppository

But it is always used to inform us we were created to enjoy God.

And sometimes its used as a shield.

@@jimmyross4352 And yet so many of things (100%) show us that we're just another animal. We're 99%related to chimpanzees yanno? The Earth is 4.5 billion year old. The crude oil that your gasoline comes from, is 180 million years old.. and so on.

They go to church.....take Bible quotes out of context.

@@haroldz2323 Most of them don't even understand the relationship between Christianity and Judaism - it's like in nomine Patris et Filii is nothing more than eenie meenie miney moe.

Heather Spoonheim - You look uninformed by wearing that mask. Re. Bible- it's pretty well known these days about how much was distorted, misinterpreted when put into other languages, not to mention the majority of the books being confiscated (stolen and hidden) by the wicked Catholic church/Vatican

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@@judyhickman5831 I guess you didn't pick up on Heather's use of "nomine Patris et Filii". This is her way of flexing her Bible wizardry by speaking Latin, the language of the anti-christ Catholic Church as you just stated. Her roots are obviously in that God forsaken cult. Your first observation that she was uninformed was spot on.

Every Christian DENOMINATION about every Bible VERSION, edition, and translation.

And if either of you read the Bible or listened to this, you’d have gathered the crux of the dialogue, therein. Re: dia-logue. I’ve assumed you’ve not based upon your criticism. My apologies if that is an incorrect assumption. I only veer into getting contentious because what you’ve gathered from not reading it immediately renders your opinion regarding it as...well...ignorance, not to mention arrogant. The Beauty of the design of the Bible, one of its many IMHO, is quite eloquently shared here. If of any worthy assertion ascribing it to a higher power can possibly be imparted it’s easily not going to be from any opposition to reading it. Haha. Ask those guys who didn’t read it. Ironically, the message in the gospels is that it’s written for those who’ve no merit in following some prescribed Law as spiritually divined or of some sacred merit or doctrine adhered to faithfully. “What you said”...says every know it all fool ever to criticize a Bible. You’re not one-up on “believers,” right or wrong, because you can’t know what you don’t know...Just in case you don’t know in addition to not knowing. It really is as profound as what this guy says. It’s also as good as any historical text of the Times. Criticizing things w/o knowing the things isn’t what you think it is.

@@joshuasiefring5810 Why do you assume people who criticize your bible haven't read it? Ask around atheists, and you'll find that the quickest path to atheism is to actually read the bible…

@@jursamaj Why do you assume it’s my Bible? To answer your question I was addressing the the comment we are replying to specifically because it heavily alludes to it and that the comment takes that side of the argument w/o overtly stating it. I’ve read it twice and didn’t use reductivism to determine there’s no God. Actually atheists probably believe what I do and do many others who in God. It’s about effectively discerning each word and then effectively communicating we each are on the same page with our def’n of each word. Case in point: I was specifically addressing those who judge before reading it anyway.

@XICODECOPA That’s great. The point is that you’re describing the literal perspective of the Bible. You may not realize what you just stated is also referring to a spiritually correlated message at the sane time. Jesus was attempting to share a universal teaching. You just have to be at the awareness level required to grasp the implications of his transformation. Realizing the spiritual implications of the archetypes as we evolve consciously one becomes aware of the progression from The Satan > Lucifer > Jesus > on into the next levels of growth are key.

And you believe them more? You will never witness the power of God or his miracles as we who believe on him do.

@@mgwgeneral6467 I never said I didn’t believe in god. Quite the opposite. I was saying that people need to dive deeply into their religion and not blindly accept what their pastor tells them like a herd of sheep. Jesus was not a Christian (remember that) he didn’t worship himself. He preached Jewish law. Understand the Hebrew bible as well as the different offshoots such as the Kabbalah - and you will have a deeper understanding of the true Word. (Not to mention reading other religious texts from other religions to see the commonality). Also, the book I mentioned has a beautifully documented analysis that explains, for example, why there are two entirely different dimensions given for the Arc, or why we see God as a benevolent fatherly figure in some texts but a vengeful being in others. Personally, such information only enriched my experience with God - but there are so many people who would chastise me for seeking my own truth - because it doesn’t agree with their own dogma handed down from self proclaimed experts who have never probed and gone beyond blind acceptance.

@@13Ambro I'm agree with you buddy 🤙🤙🤙🤙👍👍👍👍

The DOcumentary hypothesis has been around almost two hundred years .

What is the name of the author?

Slavery was common in the ancient world in all nations, and it's still around today. Doesn't make it "right", but it's just a reality and the Bible acknowledged that--as it did for other practices of the period. God didn't change Israel's traditions on that matter before using them for His purposes. A few years ago, you wouldn't ever have said that a "man" could become a "woman." It's now the "received truth." The point is, no one lives in the future, so what was accepted as normal in times past, and isn't now, has to be evaluated in light of that. Fifty years ago, the husband was the breadwinner and the wife the homemaker. Today, to insist on that is considered sexist. Times change, and what's considered "acceptable" also changes--which is why taking down statues of past figures because they owned slaves is ridiculous. Doing so is tantamount to saying people living 200 years ago should have held today's standards. Do you still hold every belief that you held even 20 years ago?

@@L5player So what you're saying is God didn't have enough power to change things, so he let slavery go on???? You mean God couldn't have had a commandment like Thou shall not own other people???? By your logic (more like lack of) God should have let murder go on too because people are just going to do it. Then why did GOD say, Thou Shall not murder? Yeah, time for you to get your GED.

@@dmimcg God understands the human heart, and part of the gift of free will is choosing what to accept and what not to accept. The largest empire the world had seen until then was based on cheap labor through slaves, and no one would accept the suicide of the state, even if God had commanded it

@@RealAugustusAutumn According to youR logic then there should not be 10 commandments because, "People have free will anyway". ROFL. I think God could have said, THOU SHALL NOT OWN OTHER PEOPLE instead of don't covet your neighbors wife- but I guess, a wife is more important than a slave. PRAISE THE LORD!@ ROFL.

@@L5player That's actually the point. The idea that a law given by God at that time would not prohibit slavery makes sense under a naturalistic view in which the law's human authors would have no ability to conceive how immoral owning humans is. It doesn't make sense for a perfectly moral being to give these instructions to his chosen people.

The Bible has been changed in the long period of time, the true Bible was with Jesus Pbuh himself in his time, Quran is the last book to humanity and Islam is the last religion to humanity, in Quran you will find the truth about this life and what is our purpose in this life and what will happened in afterlife.

John 20:17 New International Version 17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers(A) and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father(B) and your Father, to my God and your God.’” Matthew 24:36 New King James Version “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. John 5:30 New King James Version I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me. Mark 9:37 New King James Version “Whoever receives one of these little children in My name receives Me; and whoever receives Me, receives not Me but Him who sent Me.” John 9:3/9:4 New King James Version Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him. I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work. John 7:33 So Jesus said, "I am with you only a little while longer, and then I am going to the One who sent Me. John 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

@@MD99111 I would love to debate this. I've seen a lot in the old testament that seems to predict Jesus, as God in the flesh. He was the son, but he is one with the father. I'm on the fence about Muhammad, either a prophet or a victim of evil spirits.

@@travissharon1536 you can check these verses from the Bible Is Jesus and Father are one? I don't think so, who sucrificed his only begotten son to save humanity, is the one who sucrifice is same as the one who sucrificed, When Jesus died for 3 days, the Father and Holy spirit were alive, so they are not same, who put Jesus in Virgin Mary womb as baby and stayed there for 9 month until bearth, and the Father was the one controlling everything when Jesus was baby, Jesus did some mericles by heeling sick, by reviving dead, by creating bird from soil, but the father created whole universe, all creatures all matters, he created everything from beginning there is no comparison in power, the Father sent Jesus, the one who is sent is not the same as the one who send, John 17 :3 King James Bible And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. As per Jesus here the only true God is the Father that he sent him Jesus pray to the Father, so they are not one God and not same, the father is most superior. No one knows about the hour except the Father even the son Jesus doesn't know, so they are not same.

COOL STORY, BRO.

Yep…that’s how it works with most of them.

They don't read it.they pay a man to lie to them.

Good one!

Throwing something contradictory and which has caused so much harm to the garbage doesn't sound as bad math actually. Just like the right thing to do.

@@josecartin825 What?

Let him who walks in sin, walk further still - and he who walks in Righteousness walk further still. Those who consistently refuse to seek the Lord with a whole heart will be damned with annihilation. Those performing the Law of Christ will be saved into the next life, traditions be damned (as they are worldly at best).

@@johngraham1274 malapropos

That's what all theology is: mental gymnastics.

I thought he explained that idea fairly well. The authors/compilers of the Bible included conflicting accounts because they valued different ways to explore or talk about “the truth”. And well... And anybody who can help the zealously religious to take the Bible less literal is doing gods work.

The only useful way to talk about the truth is to tell the truth. Multiple conflicting stories can't all be right. And in the case of the bible, they're usually all wrong. As for zealots, they consider all of this to be heresy.

You are talking about what the rabbis did, which was to *not* talk about the truth. Thus it is completely irrelevant to what I said about talking about the truth. The arts are very nice, but they aren't about truth either. If everybody's voice is heard, but they all say things that conflict, then most, if not all, of them are wrong. That isn't truth either. If the 3 creation stories conflict, then their "different purposes" aren't about truth. I'm seeing a pattern here. You use the word 'truth' a lot, but you aren't actually interested in truth…

Jonathan Herring I couldn't agree more. It's like he lost the courage to go the extra step and say "its ancient myth & superstition, let's file it away as such, and move forward in the 21st century with a collective discussion about values, tolerance, boundaries etc based on reason and evidence." I have never understood the argument of some people who clearly show and understand that the bible is full of contradictions, unhistorical information, scientific absurdities, and shouldn't be taken as literal truth, but then want to attach words like inspired or authoritative to it?? It boggles my mind. I can think of all kinds of other adjectives to attach to it (influential, poetic, ancient, etc) but I cannot accept that its both highly innacuate in fields of science, history, anthropology, etc and yet it's still authorative or inspired somehow. I think it's his sentiment attempting to somehow still salvage the book but it is unreasonable, in my humble opinion.

Monotheism was an idea that evolved over time. The early parts of the Bible support henotheism. The first unqualified statement of monotheism doesn't appear in the Bible until Isaiah 44:6.

I mean, not big news for all of us. A lot of the kids that went to like... catholic school and bible study classes are actually pretty well informed about a lot of these things. I already knew about it. In fact I already know part of the Jewish explanation that has long been passed down in the oral tradition from teacher to students. The first creation account refers to the creation of Adam Kadmon, primordial Adam who exists at a higher level of the soul and of creation. The second account refers to the creation of Adam HaRishon from the dust of the earth. Also that term is more accurately translated as "side" not rib.

Can you help me see this piece through directing me toward the Protestant verses you are referring to? Please.

Not sure, but I do know Israel was divided into TWO kingdoms, Israel & Judah..and my recollection is that each story from both kingdoms is included in Genesis…see cosmologist Hugh Ross for a scientific affirmation of Genesis

When we got religious instruction, the Catholic priest would collect the Catholics. Since there were fewer of them, my sister thought, since she is normally special, she must be part of the crowd that left. Needless to say, my father was very proud. My grandfather was a missionary's son, of the persuasion that succesive Catholic rulers have been trying to exterminate since 1415. But yes learnt that also as a young man.

That's not true. One is a synopsis of the other. All of that other stuff is just later Jewish mumbo jumbo.

No we are not....he is ignorant and his speech is filled with errors

@Kokichi World Order it doesn't take a scholar to see the errors go study yourself

@Kokichi World Order I am not watching it again ....I cannot list everything in bible he needs to correct but it's COMMON KNOWLEDGE..YOU CAN CALL YOUR OWN CHURCH LEADERS ANDCHECK.....THE BIBLE DOES NOT TEACH POLYGOMY OR HOMOSEXUALITY.....even non Christians know this...you can google words straight out of the mouth of Jesus and he condems Sodomy and Jesus said out of his mouth marriage is one man one woman......the old testament condems this too....the Bible shows the culture of the day not just God's commandments....culture back then some men had more than one wife...but bible says marriage is one man one woman....God told the kings to not get multiple wives but they did it anyway some of it was political.....Yale is part of the deep state it is not the place to get good info on bible the deep state pushes homosexuality on everyone...

@Kokichi World Order prove it dear....it's in ten commandments it's in old mosaic law it's out of Jesus mouth in NT.....everyone even non Christians know this...

@@ruthietreselan You would be wise to educate yourself beyond the 8th grade level. You are a very ignorant person who knows nothing of the Bible…let alone politics. Get over it…there is no deep state and your orange headed nut is a loser 1

wtf is the point of doing that?

@@madsquid9943 So you don't waste your time with a pseudo academic getting woke-funding through grants

@@lauroandrea3241 Sounds like somebody doesn't like their story book being questioned. lol

Yep this guy's a moron... He has no idea what the Bible's telling us 🤣🤣🤣 but it ain't what he thinks!! Absolutely astonishing how many stupid people there are on this planet

@@adamlangton1967 ah finally... A decent, if not sincere, challenge...🤣 No I know you're being sarcastic... No need for me to lift myself up above my station.... If you get a genuine question about some portion of the Bible though give me a shout... I know Someone who knows it backwards and forwards.... Or is that forwards and backwards ...I forget... Oh yeah, bring cash 🤣

Ironically, the fact that the bible is notoriously difficult to faithfully translate makes it all the harder to believe that it is the inspired word of god. Actually, it makes it quite absurd.

Yeah I was wondering about that Because of the phrase "back in the day..." and how even in English, it can be less than literal.

@@Elite7555 , sorry I can interpret your comment several ways so it must therefore be absurd. :) Every language has its level of precision. It is absurd to try to be more precise with the ideas mentioned than the precision that the language allows.

@@allenrhoades8482 Elite's comment isn't the implied basis of morality for an entire group of people. If you write a text that you expect people to live by, it's absurd and cruel to make it in a way that will inevitably cause confusion and violence among believers and non believers. A religious text should be held to much more rigorous standards than a RU-vid comment

@@Elite7555 (relatively) shortly after this Genesis narrative the difficulty of translating between languages is presented as an intentional punishment from God in the story of the Tower of Babel.

Yes , yes he did... With lies, straw man, Misquotes, and sleight of hand by attempting to appear as "an angel of light"...(did you get that hint ?)

@@jimhughes1070 Mr. Jim Hughes...you are a goddamn genius

You will believe in Christ

@@NC-bs6yi I know right!!

@@user-wn8mc1yc1g yes , yes they will...

My entire family is religious and I am atheist. I'm also the only one that has entirely read the Bible. Somewhat ironic. Anytime I bring up weird verses, they're like, "I have a hard time believing that's in the Bible..." And then they read it and have to go pray about it for understanding, a.k.a. forget that it exists.

@@joshua.merrill No it isn't most Christians I meet are basically Bible illiterate. They have differing copy Jesus loves you or Jesus smites everyone I dislike, but they haven't read it cover to cover nor do they care to do.

I read it twice. Word for word. Cover to cover. It's a mess of contradictions and tales rewritten from much older tales. And today's so-called "Christians" have no idea what Jesus' teachings were and live in opposition to them and don't even know it. And, by the way, Jesus wasn't the only one in the bible who cured the sick and brought someone back from the dead, and Jesus wasn't the only one in the bible who was resurrected.

Millions of people have read the Bible. It’s not that hard.

@@Mark-yb1sp Over 60% of all Americans can not cite five of the ten commandments. This was the result of a study done by a religious organization. Not to mention that for decades churches complain about a growing bible illiteracy.

Mikal Shabbat has a good grip on the scriptures.

He glosses over the nuances and how to understand the texts. He is not shooting for that. Instead he is using this micro-example to make a macro-conclusion, which is false - the bible teaches religious pluralism. He uses the bible as a prop. but he is right that we shouldn't do what he did and we would find it useful if we read it.

@XICODECOPA "Slavery" in Jesus' time was indentured servitude. If you were in poverty, you attached yourself to someone with money; you worked as a servant and could eventually buy your way out. It was their version of welfare: what to do with the poor. Today we have debt slavery, and leftist "Christians" are OK with that. The laws in Moses' time forgave debt every 7 years. Sounds like I'd rather live under Moses than in the world today.

@XICODECOPA enough. Nobody cares and stop spamming every comment.

Sacred? Lmao

@@TheRKae apologist bullshit. Even if that were true, it still says you're allowed to BEAT THEM as long as they don't die. Foh.

@@TheRKae ""Slavery" in Jesus' time was indentured servitude. " Mostly NO. Many bibilcal slaves are totally owned by their masters, as are their wives and children. Yahweh commands his people to take (permanent) sex slaves from vanquished enemies (after slaughtering their families). Even in Roman Judea, slaves were still property. Stop making excuses.

eerily similar to "alternative facts"

@@madsquid9943 No... every interpretation of any text is a "truth" of its own. There never has been only one truth. This is what life is like - not just the bible.

Wow I've got to use this twice in 15 minutes "boom shaka baka" plus I'm stealing it

@@graemeroberts3069 I don’t think you know what the word, truth, actually means. Sad. Many people like you. That is why the world is a mess.

The big secret that has been kept from you materialists is that your entire world view has been buttressed by a million mile long series of assumptions to make your world view possible. If you ever get into the Nay sayers like Dr. James Tour , scientist extraordinaire , you ( well not you blind atheists ) will have to spend the rest of your life screaming enraged at your monitor because this whole friggin universe takes uncountable miracles just to exist .

@@theodoremartin6153 lol. James Tour is the man you hold up here? Alrighty. Have a good day bud.

@@PurpleChevron ....well....I tried .(Bud crushes out cigar in super educated liberals forehead , twirls cane , strolls away)

@@theodoremartin6153 you realize your response to me had nothing at all to do with my comment, right? When you use words like "worldview" and "blind atheists" you lose people. My "worldview" is based upon a preponderance of evidence and scientific inquiry. All of us have to presume somethings in order to operate, but all I must presume is that my cognition is not the result of some fabrication and that reality is not just a great big subjective illusion. The rest I can either deduce, infer or observe empirically, or I cannot know. It's just that simple.

@@PurpleChevron More psychobable. Look , science boy . Just go on youtube and do every demon calling , cat slaughtering , black mass ritual you can find . Do 2 a day for a whole year . Then once your life is destroyed you will know through cause and effect that materialism is false . Then you can call out to Jesus Christ to save you from yourself and He will . So give it the old college try ! What could possibly go wrong . And get rid of the psychobable .

I know, right? The only wise people are not the ones who use their god-given brain, but instead have faith in that which doesn‘t make sense… makes sense.

After all he supposedly confused the languages lmao

yes

I apologize for this taking 2 years to answer, but I just saw this video and your question and felt inspired to reply, which is non-typical in my case as I will not engage in theological debate, but your question seemed earnest and you appear to believe in God. Hopefully, you have already discovered this and made your decision, but if not, here you go. If you are not a lover of the truth, if you will not believe the truth, then this Book will never make sense to you and the heretical and blaspemous utterings of a fool who thinks himself wise will make sense to you. The fool cannot discern what he is reading because he does not believe, so he makes fantastic claims that are untrue, unless you are an unbeliever. The Book says it it is written so that those who do not believe will not understand, by design, as they do not have the Spirit in them, that is the reason for confusion. I understand this as I have lived it. The sinner loves his/her sin, so they chose not to believe, or worse, to change. Atheists have nothing to lose as they never really believed or they changed their mind but probably never really believed, but an agnostic should make a choice if they believe in a creator as they have everything to gain. That is the question you have to answer for yourself, does He exist and do you want to change. The question is always why does He let this happen or that happen, why, why, why. The answer is completely elementary to me, this is a test and you have free will, there are 10 rules you must follow, now chose. Not chosing is an option for the agnostic, it is also a choice. The Book says those that believe and receive the Son, seek redemption and follow the 10 rules will not suffer the second final death, and baptism will cause the spirit to flow into you enabling discernment and preventing delusion, look around you... God Bless

@@Nunya_Business_ Thank you.

If you know who God is, you'll know that the answer is yes.

The Dead Sea scrolls disprove you…

Well, first. The Dead Sea Scrolls do not disprove me. I still exist as me. The earliest of the DSS texts are from about 300 BC. The rejoining of the Northern and Southern tribes had already happened. No one is quite sure who wrote the DSS. It's possible it was a sect in conflict with another sect. All interesting. Doesn't actually prove or disprove many things. And I still exist as me, so the Dead Sea Scrolls definitely don't disprove me or anyone else. :D Blessings.

@@WolfQuantum where and what are these variations you speak of? Some texts have been lost but not altered? During that time It was still one religion. The amount of detail I. Prophecy, the way and reason Christ is not welcomed in the the inn… spoken about in II Samuel. There is mo way Rabbis would preserve the stories speaking to Jesus’s birth. And 1 Ezekiel’s 4 beast speak to the 4 nature of Christ, a Lion King, Bull servant/sacrifice, a man to take the place of a man…. There is no way that much detail can be collaborated if people changing stories…. People who don’t know the Bible think they know the Bible

Because there is a pay off - Just like supporting the likes of Putin pays off in a life of comfort & ease, belief in X God will be rewarded with an everlasting life of pleasure, ease & comfort And one gets it just like the supporters of Putin did - they didn't earn it, they got it by getting down on their knees, begging and groveling to the "dear, loving" Dictator, assuring him of their total loyalty(belief). They serve only him and no other. In fact if anyone dares to say anything against their Sugar Daddy they are willing to rape, torture and kill Theists have done much raping and killing in God's name - amazingly all based on just a cheap promise of an everlasting good life, a promise that can never be verified

You will become a preacher of Christ

@@ramaraksha01 everyone serves somebody. I was wondering how you know so much about Christianity? Were you a "Christian" in the past?

Humans are gullible. Hence why I won't believe anything without evidence. Skeptical till the end.

Ian Banks  Materialism, physicalism and determinism  This leads to substance monism  Spiritual being is dogmatically excluded  Its laws are Contingent And Changeless laws  Expressionless mathematically  Teleology is rejected  No ultimate cosmology is possible without the infinite regress.  No free will exists, therefore  No ontological or “deontological” ethics  No theodicy  No eschatology  Principle method of investigation induction empiricism  Its metaphysic is inaccessible empirically. The metaphysic of religion is more involved. It continues rightfully to exist as I will suggest, because what science is limited to by fiat does not satisfy existentially. It requires most of the presuppositions of naturalism plus its own. This creates the most contentious and irreconcilable aspects of the entire problem. Empiricism cannot prove its ontology is either true or that it represents the justifiable extent of human knowledge. Religion likewise cannot prove its ontology and therefore its knowledge is based on an alternative metaphysics. The metaphysic of science cannot validate itself or refute the metaphysic of religion and vice versa. Both ultimately must rely on transduction, or inference to the best explanation. Like science the existential must invoke a minimal metaphysic without which it cannot begin to do what it must. But contrary to science, it cannot reject materialism. The unfortunate result is dualism, which has never been reconciled. Unfortunately, the great paradigmatic revolution created a virtual insurmountable problem. This problem is suppressed, but this tactic is failing. It is failing because it’s resolution depends on the resolution…. 🐆🐿🐿🐿🐿🐿🐿🐿🐿🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵🌵 Zak Its mostly implicit ontology that defines the existential, and lies at the foundation of its incompatibility, maintains,  Substance Dualism, as both matter and mind are presupposed.  Libertarian Free will must exist. Without it there can be no morality  Definition of virtue must be based thereon.  Teleology is therefore an implicit fact  Non contingent Cosmology becomes necessary assuming God is the first and self-caused cause   Theodicy becomes essential to resolve an all perfect God with the state of the world and injustice  Eschatology follows  Principle investigative method is rationalism. The religious ontology cannot be subject to empiricism as defined by science.

That took an awfully long time to say very little.

Ian Banks My thoughts exactly.

To quote myself from another place: "Genesis describes the order of creation before science did. The only piece that's out of order is the sun and plant matter, and given that ancient people knew the importance of the sun to plant matter (and this is demonstrable) really only a very dumb atheist would think the authors switched that order unintentionally. (That is to say, there's a powerful theological point being made there.) There is no other creation story that achieves this unless it's one really really obscure. Moving forward, the common atheist objection to this is that "the Bible describes a literal six days", yet the literal six days is a young doctrine that correlates to the emergence of Protestantism. It actually isn't orthodox theology, and you can see even as early as the Apostle Paul and I believe the Apostle Peter the treatment of Genesis as symbolic - Paul with actual characters such as Sarah and Hagar and Peter I believe with the flood. So that particular objection from atheists would only affect certain sects of Protestantism. (Most such objections only affect certain sects of Protestantism.) Moreover, the first two chapters of Genesis don't contradict at all. They were actually written by two different sources. The first source, "J", wrote the second chapter as the beginning of what is considered to be the first work of long prose in history. Ergo the story-like nature of Genesis 2 as well as other parts of the Bible like most of Exodus, let's say. Chapter 1 has different source and is written with zero story elements on the other hand, so that's evidence of different genres. In which case, the two can't contradict because they're talking about different things and are written in two different ways: Genesis 1 records creation in non-novel language and Genesis 2 and 3 tell the story of the degeneration of creation with explicitly novel language. That's because everything written by J is essentially a historical-novel and should be read as such. (Which also explains why Jews, who burned texts they didn't like or thought were disfavorable, didn't care about the contradictions between Kings and Chronicles, such as the recorded quantities of charities used in war: Chronicles was the actual historical record and Kings is apart of what is basically a novel work.) The point being that in all, the inspiration of the Bible actually remains in tact. Certain extra-biblical traditions on the other hand, not so much. Textually speaking the Inspiration (not Dictation) of the Bible is mostly evidence by its unity of message. From Genesis to Revelations it's theme is one thing all the way through and that's Christ."

Think again. bigthink.com/daylight-atheism/the-creation-order-of-genesis

That's why we study the Bible, rightly dividing the word of truth! Yes idiots claim promises and rules from previous covenants.

My biggest pet peeve is people who shun the condemnation part and quote only for the warm hugs: the cheap gracers.

You are going to have to stay "peeved." The Bible, the whole thing...is God's Word. Second Timothy 3:16 and 17. Check it out.

@@arthouston7361 You got me. Lol

@@arthouston7361 "The Bible, the whole thing...is God's Word... It says so in the Bible!" (ugh. Quran says the same thing; does that make it true? Check it out)

That's a waste of time and a source of division. If there was a god, his instructions would be unambiguous.

I would argue that the Bible is a window on how people thought in a world that has long since passed, and nothing more.

Or not. If people admit that it's just words written by people then the whole thing becomes more clear.

@@butlernov2006 Will I get another if I remind you that onions, although not candy, serve a dual purpose too? :D

Yeah, that's it. Duh.

May I just add this little thought... He is not an intellectual,.. at least in the sense of being intelligent.... It's just me personally but I think he knew exactly what he was doing... Destroying the credibility of the Bible by making up lies and setting up straw Men to tear down to make himself look smart... And then brought in the devil's doctrines to complete the picture of "an angel of light"

What contradictions?

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@@d-vision2426 Jesus and Paul have contradictory paradigms. Christianity is the lovechild of Paul. It fundamentally has nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus saw potential in the individual. Paul saw potential only in Jesus. Jesus said it is vital to clean the inside of the cup. Paul said it is vital to believe in Jesus to be clean, or pure. Paul saw the individual as fatally flawed and incapable. Jesus' words disagree, "Your faith has saved you." Furthermore, even the gospels disagree with each other. Ye are the temple. Ye are the living scriptures. Ye are the truth. This resonates with Jesus. It does not resonate with Paul, the father of Christianity, the reason why it does not resonate with Christianity. The Gnostics understood that the seeker must introspect to evolve spiritually.

Show me some contradictions

@@mikeq5807 Jesus saw people as flawed too. That's why he came. Once we put our faith in what Jesus did, God now sees us as perfectly righteous.

You still don't understand the bible. Reading it from cover to cover over and over won't make you understand it. The bible is an integrated message system outside our space time domain knowing the end from the beginning: His story in advance. It's all about the person of Jesus Christ and the truth thereof. God chose a people so as to bring about Jesus Christ. One of the biggest barriers to truth is the presumption that we already have it. The bible tells us that we have a something better than being an eyewitness to the time of Jesus here on earth and that is the more sure word of prophecy and anyone willing to admit the truth can see the words of Jesus playing out right before our very eyes. I for one am not willing to gamble my eternity that the bible is wrong, that's a losing bet for sure.

@Darren Threinen John 3:17 for God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved." We've all earned death, no doubt about it, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ and the truth thereof. I pray that you never let the pride of saving face keep you from the gift of saving grace.

@Darren Threinen who cares what color his skin was and why does it matter what color you pictured him in your mind? That's not the point.

@@nikao7751 Which Bible, which translation? Every person of differing faiths believes theirs is the only true religion/God. Not everyone can be right.

A classic example of religion's egocentrism.

@Brandon Johnson The sun, moon, and stars are dead?? Not quite..

@Brandon Johnson So there's no other life anywhere else?

It does if you're bigger than the universe and you live outside of time space and matter... And have total control and a master plan... Makes a lot more sense than a giant explosion from nothing... creating everything,..🤣🤣🤣

@@jimhughes1070 You have been indoctrinated... seek help. Your ideas are childish and silly.

That’s literally the secret in it. It’s about Christ and how that occurs if we seek to know with every ounce of your soul until you see it. Christ is about you being taught by Jesus as he attempts to teach it.

You cain't halve nothin' come from nothin' AND EQUAL NOTHIN-SOMETHIN' !!!!!!! Nothing plus nothing DOES NOT equal NOTHING-SOMETHING !!! do you feel me .............................................................?????????????..................................................

@@joshuasiefring5810 So reading the Bible and believing in God isn't enough. You have to understand the Bible in the right way. Now which of those 100 denominations follows the right path?

@@joshuasiefring5810 See what? That having blind faith is something that has never been proven to be real or true. If religion is so true, why are their so many secrets and riddles in them. Especially yours.

@@theresawilliams4296 Comparatively, all of the major religions were inspired by previous masters that walked the earth. To see through what you refer to as blind faith you must realize that you must have facilitated a high level of discernment through raising your awareness. You start to see how the words Jesus uses have an arrived at understanding given an etymology and exegesis surrounding them. This shows us we generally don’t have that awareness unless we’ve spent a lifetime devoted to reading and comparing all sacred texts. There is an evolution of conscious that results in developing a vision beyond sight. I’ve used many experts’ opinions and built upon their combined work to arrive at a cosmology that seems to satisfy many ideologies, sciences, religions, etc. Self realization is at the core of all of these including Jesus’ teachings.

I'm sure it certainly didn't.

@@vedinthorn , would you like that sourced? So, lets start with the Targum. Secondly, he seemed to suggest that there was erotic or homosexual connotations to this verse, an opinion that is supported by other facts.

@@brianfree7675 supported by pure imagination, frankly.

@@vedinthorn like the whole bible. If you like it you might like the story of King Arthur and the knights of the round table, that's a good yarn too.

@@tonycook7679 thanks for saying one of the more ignorant things I've read this week.

Yes Jesus came down to preach love for all mankind - but Christians have used him to preach division and hate. "Heaven only if you follow Jesus" That means billions of Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists will find themselves as Jews in Nazi Germany in the after life. Condemned for their beliefs & dumped into gas chambers in hell! And they can PROMOTE SUCH NAZI IDEAS OPENLY! That is what is really frightening!

Sad thing is the plot twist that's to come, the so called anti christ that comes will be the next sage for the next age of involution for humanity and the "Christians" are going to kill that person due to ignorance

@@l_cuzzo_l1214 Amazing to see grown adults discussing the Cinderella story as if it is real Sir, you need to live in the REAL WORLD that God made for us - a REAL WORLD with real problems that need ordinary humans to step up and solve - not hope for a magic knight in shining armor to come save us damsels in distress

@@ramaraksha01 who said i believe in the cinderalla story lol. I do live in the real world there is no knight in shining armor coming on a damn cloud to save us i know this already

@@ramaraksha01 yep that's the way it goes. If you have complaints bring it up with Jesus on judgment. “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6 No one else.

Fascinating as a source to understand how stone/bronze age societies tried to make sense of the world, and mostly failed.

Light I think means truth. The orthodox Christian church has a better understanding of creation.

go read psalm 104 or rev 21 and you'll get your answer

Magic!

@@peruviandude8258 (1) How do you know "light" meant "truth"? (2) Since nobody was around at the time light was created, who was the truth for? Bazinga.

@@glenhill9884 Because God is the creator of everything the visible and the invisible. The visible means matter and invisible means the metaphysical.

NO apple at all in the text. (Though it is a possibility, who knows, maybe a pomegranate, which is often referred to as a Chinese apple, but never the less, NO apple in the text.) Yes, he trapped himself with his own snarkiness and erred even more.

Yes, he is guilty of exactly what he is criticizing.

@@revdavemapes No, he just highlighted how we have interpreted these things and added in our own words and understandings. In a throwaway comment, he shows how the narrative of 'Adam & Eve' has been (can we say) 'culturally appropriated' since an apple is a very 'European' fruit. Nothing snarky or errant in that.

@@thealternativeulsterman I think you are right save the apple came from Asia as well.

@@theslimecrew4827 Thanks for clarifying. 👍🏻

@B D I would love to see concrete evidence. Where is it? I’m not being snide, as I actually want to see it. I want to see something that I can actually feel, not something that I can merely have faith in.

@B D hey, I asked you a question, so why haven’t you answered me? I’ve looked in many places but there is no evidence. The only claims that I found were merely faith-based, meaning it is not proof. So tell me, where is the proof?

Realism, logic? What, you're so confident you understand what is real and logical that you can disregard all religion? Foolish. Science, realism logic; one side of the same coin, the other side is spirit, . Science is methodology, not inherently associated with "true", although it shows proofs of the nature of physical and mental happenings. It is extremely useful. BUT it fails and falls completely on its face when facing the most important aspect of our existence; spirituality and consciousness. So, we have religion and philosophy full of symbolism, which synthesizes wisdom of the ages into a symbolic archetype. Ancient wisdom hidden in the occult will help one understand the big picture of our world today. So much to learn.

@@eleven9286 Nice pseudo-intellectual rant you got there. No one said you weren’t free to believe in things we have literally zero evidence for, just as long as don’t try to make the rest of us follow suit.

Best comment ever!

@Jas Foley not really--evolution is science, and the bible is myth.

@@wiscgaloot No it isnt. I hope someday you see it, before God judges everyone. I'm sure you'll roll your eyes and laugh but it's true. It amazes me that people that have never read the Bible to actually understand what it means will listen to distorted versions of it from people that have a clear bias against it and think the information legitimate. I think if you really wanted to know what the true red pill is, you'd attempt to undwrstand for yourself and perhaps with help from someone knowledgeable. It's why I've dedicated myself for years to studying apologetics and when I graduate will hopwfully help many to understand what they either hate or don't fully understand. Better than to laugh now but cry later, because Christ's coming is inevitable and you'll remember this comment on that day. In fact I'm sure on that day youll be reminded of all the times you rejected God and his attempts to reach out to you in some way or another. I wish you well, have a great evening.

@@wiscgaloot Evolution is not science, and even Darwin acknowledged that. It does not follow the scientific method, specifically observation, transparency, and replication. He also acknowledged that his theory was incomplete.

The statistic is what presenters call a hook (journalists call it a lede) which gives the audience something compelling to keep them listening. Sure, take any data with some salt. But don't discount what he's saying because he didn't use a whitepaper to explain his opening premise for a 20 min presentation.

Big grain.

@@cyrenedomogalla5127 Agreed. Some people will attempt to hide behind a grain of salt to avoid accepting their beliefs are inaccurate.

Or, you could read the same passages he did and come to very similar conclusions...

Doubt your resolve conclusion as you typed since you went right to his “guilt!” - yet, you then confirm his final statement. Interesting.

Just look outside, and you will see it's not rubbish, it's happening as we speak.

@@PhilosophyOfNoa Ridiculous superstition.

​@@hawaiisidecar To think it's a superstition is to assume that almost all of our ancestors were idiots, and that the only ones who wrote anything down were fantasy novelists. Is that a theory you are confident in?

@@PhilosophyOfNoa We are still very much idiots, but the ones who wrote the Bible only lived about half as much, so we must be smarter about some things. Also the authors of the Bible didn't have the same goals as fantasy novelists: if anything, they'd be more accurately described as a propaganda bureau than a literary clique.

@@PhilosophyOfNoa I would say they were more susceptible to bad rhetoric. Also it would be like assuming all people from that time were completely honest.

So... secularist viewpoint -- this is not divine truth, this isn't even a coherent message, chuck it? I am in your camp.

It depends on whether you feel you are in a wilderness to begin with. I think we're still in the Garden, the garden that is the Universe with all its wonders that science reveals. The Garden is neither good nor evil; there are lambs and lions, and they're in the food chain. The problem isn't theodicy, the problem is that we still look to a non-existent god with all of the confused and confusing scribblings that attends belief for explanations of our problems, while ignoring the very obvious but uncomfortable solutions that lie within our power.

Regardless, GOD had it written for a reason and with a purpose and it will not return to him without it being completely fulfilled. People can have their preferences and biases and even prejudices towards the Bible, but it wont matter because GOD is the one with the final word. Take a look around the world and all the madness happening, mostly all Godless people. "The Great Tribulation" is surely coming, soon.

@@markuse3472 -- What is your evidence that God "had it written?"

@@markpkessinger I can surely tell you evolution is the biggest lie ever told and taught as a fact, and can tell you aliens/extraterrestrials are a lie, too, with no real evidence for them. How? Because I, ME, have done MY research. I can give you volumes of evidence that The Bible must be The Word of God but then again, just as I have done for years with many others, they keep saying "no, that's not evidence enough," and that will be your opinion, too. Look it up yourself, just about all things (not all) are right here on RU-vid. "DNA gives evidence for God" etc. There are Many videos on the matter, regarding science, history, archaeology, physics, astrophysics, geology, and more, with the Only none bias, none prejudice science backing it all up: mathematics.

@@markuse3472 The great tribulation coming soon? That's been said for millenia, what would you call soon? If you want to know the truth, go and sit quietly in nature, let your ego go, be with what is, and not what you think. Peace, and a deeper understanding can be yours. We are a part of everything, we need to experience that. You may find a deeper connection with your creator that way.

@@markuse3472 - Before you can show me evidence that the Bible is the word of God, you first have to show evidence - and not merely faith-based assertions, but objective, independently verifiable evidence - that God exists, and that you cannot do.

Yep... That's all you need is one devil... Telling everybody do your own thing 🤣🤣🤣 that guy is way more confused than even I know... And I know he's pretty dang confused

Worrrrd🥴🥴😑😶

Curious where u hail from?

Yeah, like the formation of our Self, our psyche, and spiritual progression and the understanding and acceptance of reality and coping with it positively.

Gross

Right on! Im all for it youre right we need to call upon the Lord when reading these old words. Its important this time in age not to fall for misinterpretations of the Bible that are often so misconstrued. Historical context is a biggie! People don't care about history and historical norms on a grand scale even though it has everything to do with the cause of how and why we got to this reality where the world we live in right now has never experienced such a global reign of peace in comparison to the rest of human history.

Interestingly, Yahweh is not mentioned in Genesis 1, only in Genesis 2. God is called Elohim in chapter 1. The Yahweh cult could have come later and included the possibly older Elohim story in their compilation, for whatever reason.

@@singfree88 Works for me. I'd be fine with finding out they were two similar, but different cults who created Yahweh at some point in the merger, or later. It's tribal cults coming together, either way.

Interesting though that one of the gnostic gospels has Yawhew as an evil angel who created the world because he loved violence and chaos, the early church thought they had destroyed all of the gnostic texts but a cache was found no wonder they destroyed them though. Reading the gnostic gospels makes the church redundant really especially the wisdom of Sophia however the creation story as well as other myths were plagerised from the earlier religion of the Sumerians

@@firebyrd437 I think you're talking about the Book of Judas, where Yahweh comes from The Bardo, as does the "Devil", but in the guise of the foolish god (the Devil) and the malicious god (Yahweh) and they made heaven and earth to screw around with, basically. But where they come from is the True God and Jesus came from there, The Bardo, and he rejected Yahweh. Yep, fun book.

@@OneMoreJames Love what you did with those thunderwords!

I agree. The implication is that mankind was told how it all began but that God either couldn't remember how he did it and told different things to different scribes or he intentionally told a lie so that people would doubt everything he said. Neither make sense but if the bible are his words then it is one of them.

I'm glad you have that self awareness...what day did God create obviousness though?

@@field369 I too am glad that you also have the self awareness to point out the obvious that it was obvious. I'm not sure when God created obviousness though. I'm not even sure if God even exists.

@@ahyaok100 live your life...i know for a fact though...when you seek ethereal energy humbly, shit happens. Do you though.

What's your point exactly? Imperfect people are capable of writing, explaining and or understanding things just fine. That much is obvious surely!

Having the audacity to judge God who created everything, who is perfect (divine) omnipresent, omnipotent, unchanging and eternal.

@XICODECOPA while I agree with you, perhaps you should spellcheck your comment before cut/pasting it all over the threads.

considering that the video presents: "the a-p-p-l-e and the snake" shows that the presenter is full of ignorance and most definitely not reliable source of information (6:20) How does Delilah seem out of place. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4bNOvZJcKiE.html&ab_channel=Biography Seems very much in place.

@@idminister nitpicking aside, Genesis chapters one and two are logically inconsistent and point to the conflation of multiple creation stories, likely due to multiple source texts being grafted together.

The speaker is pushing some sort of ancient Jewish approach to scripture, an older traditional approach to scripture. Our notions of factual history, of "facts", is what is new, of actual reality rather than mutable memory (that changes every time we bring up a particular memory and fades if we don't), of verifiable information that has given us computers and cars and vaccines and weather satellites. Myths were never ment to taken that way, as literal truth.

Wholly agree... The account of the Resurrection in the 4 Gospels just cannot be reconciled..! How can a single event has four different versions? Either one is correct and if so, which one? Or all four are just mere fairy tales..

Actually... I don't think 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐩𝐞𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐫 is the one who can read. I'll be quoting from the NKJV since that's the Bible I have open right now but I'm pretty sure other translations should be quite similar: Genesis 2:8; "The LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed." Just this passage alone shows us that the narrative has now shifted from the Creation account in the broad and general sense found in the earlier chapters of Genesis towards a more focused in-depth illustration of what exactly transpired during the 𝘤𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘧 𝘮𝘢𝘯. PART 1: "The LORD God planted 𝐚 𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐝𝐞𝐧 . . ." Scripture now isn't referring to the Creation story of the 𝐄𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐡. It's referring to the creation of 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐝𝐞𝐧 on a now 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐥𝐞𝐭𝐞𝐝 Earth. An Earth that is no longer void and without form ie, an Earth that now has waters and [ 𝘥𝘳𝘺 𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘥 ]. PART 2: ". . . and there He put the man whom He 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐦𝐞𝐝." 𝐡𝐚𝐝 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐦𝐞𝐝 = [ 𝘱𝘢𝘴𝘵 𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦 ] . . . Whatever events proceeded from Genesis 2:8 𝐨𝐧𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐝𝐬 happened 𝐚𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐫 the Creation of the Earth and the first Man. Scripture is clear. The events to follow are now occurring in a specific place on the Earth, ie. THE GARDEN. This explains why the narrative now jumps from a "watery chaos" to that of "dry dust". The Earth was no longer a chaotic watery mess. We are now looking at the events that transpired in the Garden [ 𝘥𝘳𝘺 𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘥 ]. This also explains the change in the order of Creation. The events that transpired 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐝𝐞𝐧 are not the same events that transpired earlier in the Creation story - 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐫𝐞 𝐄𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐡 𝐬𝐮𝐦𝐦𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐳𝐞𝐝. And because this is now a closer, more in-depth re-telling of the creation account 𝘰𝘧 𝘮𝘢𝘯 , Genesis 1:26 - 31 serves as the 𝐏𝐑𝐄𝐌𝐈𝐒𝐄 for Genesis 2:8. This is why Man is now first instead of last in the Creation account from Genesis 2:8 onwards as opposed to the earlier verses of Genesis . . . But why the change in order . . . ? PERHAPS, one of many possible reasons could be the fact that God wanted Adam to witness His work in action. Which explains why Eve fell for the Serpent's temptation first having failed to witness God at work first-hand (her faith and therefore surety in God's Word was weaker than Adam's - it's hard to believe in something or someone that you have not seen with your own eyes, in this case what Eve failed to witness was the Lord's COMPETENCE as God allmighty - and as an extension, the integrity of His Word. Interesting how Jesus mentioned, "blessed are those who have NOT SEEN and yet BELIEVE). That doesn't mean Adam is without fault. I don't know, this is just my personal conjecture from Scripture. But it is an interesting after thought . . . Genesis 3:6 ". . . She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate." Adam was 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 Eve when the temptation happened and he just stood idly by and allowed whatever happened soon after to happen . . . Moral of the Story: Read the Bible 𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐟𝐮𝐥𝐥𝐲. I will agree with Joel Baden on one thing and that is the title he had chosen for the topic of his talk. The Bible Doesn't Say What You Think it Does. “𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘞𝘰𝘳𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘎𝘰𝘥 𝘪𝘴 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘢 𝘭𝘪𝘰𝘯. 𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘥𝘰𝘯’𝘵 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘥𝘦𝘧𝘦𝘯𝘥 𝘢 𝘭𝘪𝘰𝘯. 𝘈𝘭𝘭 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘥𝘰 𝘪𝘴 𝘭𝘦𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘴𝘦, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘥𝘦𝘧𝘦𝘯𝘥 𝘪𝘵𝘴𝘦𝘭𝘧.” ― Charles Spurgeon

@@sunluenng3475 Reading the bible carefully is what changed me from a 40-year evangelical into an atheist.

I respect your opinion. I believe, however, that the Bible is a spiritual Rorshach test given to us by a more advanced sentient intelligence (I'm not saying it's aliens, but...). Testament = Test a mentis (Latin disambiguation for mental or mind). Test a mind. Atonement = At one mind or made whole Government = Rulers of the mind These might not be an entirely accurate reflection of their etymology. But I can't ignore the symbolic significance that interpreting these words as such have for me. Their subsequent meanings fairly reflect reality if one looks closely enough.

uh oh you sound like you're having a monologue

@@-JaggedGrace- seems like a dialogue now.

@@fauztran You didn't say anything that would let me agree or disagree, it's too vague

@@-JaggedGrace-, so we're not having a dialogue?

Yes, and winner of the Richard Dreyfuss circa 1975 contest. Seriously, he is Jewish but I don't think practicing by his dim view of the sacred.

correct God/s could be malevolent but whos to judge if God is real. Though I know one thing - no one will be correct about their idea of God when they meet it.

@@mnm8818 _"Who's to judge_ (whether or not a god is malevolent) _if god is real"_ ? We are, of course. Or are you saying that might makes right? Said: _"I know one thing - no one will be correct about their idea of God when they meet it."_ To _know_ that you need to know every god-idea ever conceived of by any human that ever existed _and_ know that this god isn't that, right? How could you know that? (or maybe you mean we could never have a complete picture of every characteristic of this god, which would make it a platitude, cause we don't even have such an extensive picture of _ourselves_ as a human being).

@@BorisNoiseChannel Yeah the judge God thing is more of a expectation from my thinking or its just a word not too say you can't negotiate/ discuss with God. Can't judge God and get a sentencing on his "bad" "good" behaviour unless we are more powerful then it and control what's "right". Bible God could be Lucifer since he's the ultimate deceiver king of Earth. As you sort of implied, how can we trust our own brain, feelings, life etc (This might be more for God believers) well as all religious texts seem to be made by man or atleast written by them. So you have to believe man not God... Exactly like a salesman selling a car neither of yous have seen. You have to trust that they are selling you a red sports car but in the end you get a white van. Still a vehicle but none of you saw it Maybe read a vague poster about it.

@@BorisNoiseChannel I guess I'm the person if there's proof of God that isn't all goodie I'd believe it still. Eg. after I die I won't be telling that God off if I'm not punished. Cause truth is truth no matter what I or anyone believes. Ofcourse Christians believe a hungry death, torture, blood God without solid proof even...

@@mnm8818 We weren't talking about believing in this god (of course I'd believe so too if there's sufficient evidence for it); we were talking about _judging_ this god's benevolence/malevolence, right?

Any evidence for your superficial speech? Genesis chapter 1 doesn't match any specific detail in chapter 2. Literally.

@@rabokarabekian409 You should look up Documentary Hypothesis regarding the Old Testament. Comparing Genesis 1 to Genesis 2 and looking for differences like this speaker is, is simply an indication of his ignorance and lack of Old Testament rudimentary knowledge. The two chapters come from two different documents and chapter 2 is simply a retelling of the story in chapter 1, with a bit of a different angle to it. This is the same as comparing the gospel of John to any of the synoptics, and pointing out certain differences in the narrative. It doesn’t require any type of theological knowledge to realize that this presenter, while accusing Christians of not understanding what they are reading, is guilty of the very thing he is accusing them of. Just LOL.

He can't dazzle them with brilliance, he is baffling them with boochit

In short: liars have to lie.

@XICODECOPA Jesus would not be OK with slavery the way we understand it today. While I personally do not agree with slavery or other practices in ancient Israel, Greece, Roman Empire, etc., slavery in Rome was quite different than what we are used to reading in our recent history books or, for example, in Alex Hailey’s “Roots”. In reality, slavery back then was very much part of the culture and often a way out of poverty or death for many. Some slaves ended up saving their families in the process. I don’t mean to give you a history lesson, but you are misunderstanding how slavery, or at least some cases of slavery worked in 1st century Rome, Greece, and Israel. Jesus also did not free John the Baptist from jail, and John ended up being beheaded at the whim of a teenage dancer … Does that mean that Jesus abandoned John and did not care for him? Of course not.

Jakob Boehme would disagree. See Mysterium Magnum.

Most myths aren't just "conjured up", they're condensations of observed reality. Do you really think our ancestors evolved as the most dominant species on earth expending undue energy passing on and recording meaningless fabrications, and that the only people with ink thousands of years ago wasted it on mere fantasy devoid of any meaningful lesson? Or do you think it's possible that all our ancestors were not idiots and that they actually put effort into trying to understand the world exactly as they experienced it, gaining knowledge so that they could convey important information to newer generations? And that maybe you've written off the dense wisdom of Genesis based on a nonsense ahistorical conception of our ancestors (very creative morons, you would say?), as well as (I assume) a petty (my opinion) distaste for contemporary Christians, many of whom have probably not even read it. Have you?

You haven't read either if that's what you think. Genesis is the only one that says God made everything (including time) and is timeless. All other gods were created, born, hatched from eggs, or otherwise began existing. The Bible is the only one that says the universe is expanding, that Earth is suspended in space, seas with boundary (Gulf of Alaska), etc. And this "myth" has made more predictions about history and science than all religions put together.

@@oldscorp - one must engage in tortuous manipulation and presuppositional interpretation to make such claims

@@oldscorp Genesis doesn't say god is timeless. That's an added interpretation. Genesis just says that there's a beginning & there's a god & there's creation of heaven and earth. It doesn't say god existed for an timeless time (what could that even mean?) before "the beginning" or that god was co-emergent with the beginning. Interpretation has to be added on top of the words that are there.

Man should relegate himself to menial labor in service of his superiors, right?

Were you high?

Whatever you do, don't breed. Please. Sincerely, The World

@@mbellizia75 well you have to admit that the claims in the video are just injecting his current day morals. No?

I don't often use this while the church service is going on, but..."boom shakalaka".. well said

So all the attendees of the First Council on Nicaea should be cursed+?

@@jessefitzgerald1292 as soon as you change the words.. and or the laws of God.. you are in danger of the judgment... Let's just say I'm glad I didn't take part...

That’s just means that humans haven’t changed much in character in 2,000 years. Nothing more to read into that.

way too funny Stephen! thank you