@@vicepresidentmikepence889 But Colin has the famous ''Cowherd curse'' where every young QB he likes turn into a average player or a problem down the road. Thank god he didn't liked Lamar, Deshaun, Mahomes or Burrow before their drafts.
@@LucasFerreira-cq8qz He did say his favorite 2017 QB was Watson, and somehow people think saying Burrow being a B+ quarterback (which I personally disagreed with) is hate.
Joel Klatt admitting he was wrong on Herbert is part of the reason why he is so respected. It’s impossible for analysts to be right all the time and it’s refreshing to see someone be humble enough to go on TV and admit they were wrong
I think Herbert got over evaluated and this caused people to really pick him apart. He checks so many boxes and then some games you kind of get less then you expect but I guess you could just chalk that up to the scheme. The dude can flat out play QB in the NFL.
@@LukeSpookem yea he is putting up better numbers in the pros than in college which never happens. The offense in Oregon just wasn’t built to make multiple reads and anticipate receivers. (I was defiantly wrong about Herbert to)
@@LukeSpookem herbert did not get over evaluated he just got evaluated poorly. I feel like so many of these experts analyze on a simple level and just say "did x player make a positive or negative on each play they evaluate" and they fail to look at the why a play was positive or negative for said qb. In the case with herbert people saw his qb play at Oregon was not spectacular and they are simple minded and attribute it only to herbert and not his players on his offense or if the offensive playcalling helped or hurt him. This is why my boy simms will always be the best evaluator (at least for the time being until someone else comes along)
It’s been long overdue for the Cornerback position to receive its due respect in football. Arguably the hardest position on the field to physically preform, QB is half mental half physical but if you’ve ever played Corner like i have, you will understand how unbelievably insane it is to cover someone 1 on 1 for 50+ downs
Played corner in college and it's not that hard if you're playing cover 3 or 2 zone. It's only the hardest position if you're playing man coverage for a big chunk of the game
Only played till the High school level but corner was tough. Fun fact, I played against Joe McKnight while I was in school and he lined up outside a few times and my god that man was fast.
I'm not a Pats fan, but I'm not stupid enough to believe for a second if Belichick is willing to "over pay" for a position, it would be the most impactful position on the defensive side of the ball. It's funny to read the articles about how Gilmore was the most overpaid player on New England, and how Belichick had made a mistake with this signing in 2017. One even calling it one of the worst contract moves NE has made in a decade. As usual Belichick is getting the final laugh after Gilmore has proven to be the best corner in the league, and he even just got a $5 million raise last month. So yeah when the G.O.A.T. of coaching values a position that much, I'm gonna pay attention.
Colin: “Wisconsin doesn’t have any players.” J.J. Watt, T.J. Watt, Russell Wilson, Joe Thomas, Melvin Gordon, Ryan Ramczyk, Jonathan Taylor, Travis Fredrerick, Joe Schobert, James White, Kevin Zeitler, Alec Ingold and Rob Havenstein all went to Wisconsin and are all very successful pros.
@@Blizznor The majority of those guys are from Wisconsin. They weren’t high recruits out of high school, but the Watt’s, Melvin Gordon, Schobert, Ramczyk, Kevin Zeitler, Alec Ingold and Travis Frederick are all from the state. That’s not to mention guys like Brandon Brooks and Trae Waynes who grew up here and are now quality pros as well that didn’t attend Wisconsin.
Wisconsin is one of if not the the best programs at developing players. I mean they turned 2 & 3 star j.j. and t.j watt (who were Tight ends) into dominant defensive players in the NFL. Produce NFL running backs, Some of the best offensive linemen. Imagine what they would do with top 10 recruiting classes (never even been in the top 25)
Yeah, you forgot about Klatts moronic evaluations of Josh Allen and Justin Herbert. "Herbert is not a first round talent" and "I am not a Josh Allen believer". 8 months after these comments and on is an MVP candidate and the other is arguably the greatest rookie qb in the history of the nfl.
Klatt's reasoning is sound. Bucky Badger knows what Bucky is all about, and Bucky continues to do what Bucky does best. Thankfully, Brutus keeps beating Bucky. O - H.
Glad he brought up the whole recruits going to those top teams thing. Hard to get excited for a sport where you can write in the playoffs before the season begins.
I agree. If you’re in high school and want to play for a Natty why would you go to any other school outside of the 4 that always play for it. The play offs make it hard to recruit. I never thought about that until Joel said it and he’s right. It’s an unintended consequence.
I have been talking about this for several years now, and it's why I don't care much about college football. The short of it is, there is no draft in college football, kids pick where they want to go to school, and the best players go to the top 4-6 teams. They get so many great players that those teams are usually super deep in talent. They lose tons of guys to the draft and then the next year they are still awesome due to their depth. Until they have a wider 8 or 16 team playoff where a team like Boise State could play their way to a championship, then it has that "rigged" feeling. That said, I will actually watch the college football playoffs because I know those top 4 teams are great, and there will be good games but the rest of the season could be written off. The NFL is a much more competitive and fair game by a long shot.
Joel Klatt needs an even bigger platform than he has. He is really, really good. His profound insight could really help people. I don't mean his own show, and I'm not necessarily just talking sports.
most time first round pick offense line players never work out especially high drafted pick ones . most good offense line man work are drafted in 2nd-3rd-4th round . look at packers and steelers offense line you never see them teams drafting a offense lineman in first round
@@romain1752 eh every sign pointed to him being another strong arm that could read a defense at all. But it seems the coaching must just be incompetent cause he looks way better with a much worse oline.
The spread offence in college has also affected the NFL. The olineman who go through those systems in college now have to relearn things about run blocking that that used to be ingrained in their development. Of teams like Wisconsin, Notre Dame and Alabama are exceptions to this rule.
Joel Klatt - You say that recruiting classes are continually better for the teams that have success at the highest level, it is absolutely true. You must also mention how the teams got there at the first place. Clemson had that transformation when Dabo Swinney took over. A smaller college than the other big guns like Georgia, Ohio State, Oklahoma etc., they didn't have the athletic department budget to compete. They have found recruiting success based on a few factors which were developed over the years - consistency, excellent coaching, great facilities and great culture. It would be unfair to discredit their success because of the college football model we have currently. They built themselves to compete in this model year after year.
@@J0hnRatcliffe The Dolphins games and Raiders game (Raiders always lose to a team they shouldn't) are the closest thing to winnable. Ofc Flacco is starting for the Dolphins game this week, so they gave up.
Love listening to Joel Klatt. He doesn't sugarcoat his comments about his coach buddies and/or players like a lot of other analysts do. He's also humble enough to admit when he's wrong. I hope he doesn't go the way of Cris Collinsworth who used to be insightful and wasn't afraid to let loose.
Klatt just summed up the Big12 for the last 15 years that no one outside of it seems to understand. It is so freaking hard to defend Big12 spread offenses. West Virgina, Baylor, Oklahoma, OK State, Texas Texas, Texas, TCU all run spread offenses and put up 30 points a game. The ball is normally thrown in about 2.5 seconds. No defensive lineman can get to the QB in that amount of time. The SEC is seeing the Lane Kiffin and Mike Leach effect this year and doesn't know how to stop it just like the Big12. Football is a numbers game. If the defense puts seven guys in the box, the offense passes outside. If the defense puts six guys in the box, the offense runs the ball. How to stop it? Your corners have to be awesome in one on one coverage so you can put seven defenders in the box and force the pass and get a 50 percent incompletion rate.
That is true about the college playoff. With the BCS, there was so much talk about the other BCS bowls and other matchups. Now only the playoffs matter. The New Years bowls don’t matter, the other bowls don’t matter
Miami played in the Big East not the Big Ten prior to joining the ACC. Sad that the Canes only had one 10-game win season and only one ACC championship appearance. smh
I could listen to Klatt ALL day talk about college football! the man is brilliant and unbiased unlike the ESPN garbage... he is swayed this or that way he evaluates a lot of things when he talks about the sport and not just picking teams just cuz its easy to place top 10 he has a great formula.
What sets Klatt apart from the rest of the pack of football analysts is that he went out of his way to pause the show to critique his own opinion on Herbert. Colin was halfway thru his monologue and Joel insisted on acknowledging Herbert's skills as a pro. To be fair, it's still early but I am a huge Oregon fan and I am rooting for Herbert to break the Chargers out of their losing ways.
Klatt brings up a great point about the damage the CFP has done to the way college football is consumed. A great example is Penn State. In three straight years (2016, 2017, 2018) PSU beat Ohio State by 3 in Happy Valley, lost to Ohio State by 1 at the Shoe, then lost to Ohio State by 1 in Happy Valley. In both losses, PSU held a two score lead over the Buckeyes early before choking the game away in the closing minutes. Yet the fact that OSU is a perennial CFP darling (most egregiously in 2016, when the Nittany Lions won the Big 10 beating OSU head-to-head, but OSU got the nod and was shut out by Clemson in the CFP) has undermined how impressive those close games were. No one even seems to remember them because ultimately they didn't change who went to the playoff, so who cares? If you're not a fan of the Big 10, we can go to the SEC: In 2017, Auburn essentially beat up the eventual champion Tide (who leapfrogged three teams with convincing cases to deserve the fourth spot) in the Iron Bowl. No one cares because Alabama got to the dance and won it anyway. (Of particular note here is that the Tigers lost to undefeated UCF in their bowl game, and UCF was left out of the playoff because they "couldn't have beat any of those teams." Any given Saturday.)
