Yeah, I changed my Opinion on this matchup. Koji Extreme diffs in Overall Outsmarting (taking into account fixed and nonfixed only). Johan Still wins overall High diff (+). Also i just noticed that the 4th johan clips isn't even visible on phone 😭
I agree with almost all points but i still think koji has a major advantage in this matchup because koji is just very difficult to manipulate. He doesn't really a give a shit abt much so it's pretty hard. So even though johan is a better manipulator than koji it doesn't necessarily mean he will be able to manipulate him
In 1v1, yeah that's an advantage for koji. But in overall scenario, johan will have more advantage because of his influence and manipulation. Like how koji can't go up against his own father mainly because of his influence and power
FSIQ ayanokoji FSEQ johan FSSQ johan Pure manipulation johan Psycological manipulation johan Emotional manipulation johan Logical manipulation johan Mass manipulation johan indirect manipulation. Johan Direct manipulation johan Individual manipulation johan Misdirection johan Deception johan Critcal thinkig johan visual spatial intelligence johan verbal comprehension intelligence ayanokoji Working memory Intelligence ayanokoji Audit working memory ayanokij Proocessing speed Intelligence johan General Skill Intelligence ayanokoji Cognitive Proficiency Intelligence ayanokoji Congestive proficiency Intelligence johan Quantitative proficiency Intelligence johan Congestive reasoning index ayanokoji Non verbal Intelligence ayanokoji Concrete thinking ayanokoij Horizontal thinking ayanokij Linear thinking ayanokij Non linear thinking johan Faster thinking ayanokoji Fluid reasoning ayanokoji Seeing trough poeple johan Abductive reasoning ayanokoij Inductive reasoning johan Deductive reasoning ayanokoji Deduction ayanokoji Induction johan Abduction ayanokoji Analyical thinking ayanokoij Bodily kinesthetic intelligenc ayanokoij Linguistic intelligenc johan Emotional perception johan Emotional understanding johan Emotional management johan Emotional engagement johan Existential Intelligence johan Crystallized Intelligence ayanokoij Naturallistic Intelligence johan Abstract thinking ayanokoij Intuition johan Cunning johan Logical reasoning ayanokoij Mathematical Intelligence ayanokoij puzzle solving ayanokoij Connecting the dots johan Musical Intelligence ayanokoij Intrapersonal Intelligence johan Interpersonal Intelligence johan Knowledge ayanokij Short time planning ayanokij Long term planning johan Anticipation johan Prediction johan Strategy johan Strategy depth johan Strategy complexity johan Strategy effciency johan Strategy formulation speed johan Decision making johan Cold reading ayanokij hot reading johan Leadership johan more influence johan Johan wins very high diff imo pin this pls
@@Terakomari_7 Johan has good knowledge statements and he can use that knowledge effectively in some instances, but Kojis knowledge is much deeper and much wider.
Pretty good and fair. There are points in the score distribution that I disagree with. VCI, VSI=, NVI, Self-Awaraness, Self-Regulation, Intrapersonal Intelligence, Crystallized intelligence, Predictions, Perception, Intuition, Observation goes to Johan Liebert, also Mind Games should go to Johan imo. I think Johan takes Outsmarting (More calculating, better at organizing and executing things, better controlling the situation) W Comparison, W edit
@@vojtechdian6920 This is purely my opinion: To simply summarize, I think Johan shows more in these areas. I'm sure the majority would agree on VCI. Koji's VCI is carried mainly by his knowledge. Johan not only speaks more languages but also passes the important subtests. Self-Regulation, Johan experienced many events and traumas in his childhood that required him to quickly regulate himself, and in each of them he was able to regulate himself and overcome them. Intrapersonal: Johan has much better intrapersonal intelligence than Koji. His philosophy is to know himself and his emotions, Johan is very good at seeing himself from an outside perspective, although he generally seems indifferent, Johan has a very deep thinking mind. Crystallized: I'm ignoring Koji's statement on this topic. For me, crystallized intelligence is associated with a lifetime of experiences, and Johan is more experienced than Koji. Perception: Johan has excellent perception. He has a tremendous ability to both understand himself and perceive other people. At just 7 years old, he understood everything about human nature, psychology and all other subtleties. He managed to masterfully get out of every situation he was in, his high perception plays a big role in everything he does, it is one of the only characteristics that makes him strong as a status quo. Observation: Johan is a serial killer and as part of his job, he watches each of his victims until the end. Johan generally prefers that his victims cannot stand the pain and take their own lives, so he never leaves them without learning their smallest weaknesses in order to break them to the last point. He includes these details in his murder plans. He always watches each of his victims, analyzes them and never takes his eyes off them. He follows each one extremely carefully.
There's no meaning comparing johan with ayanokoji....Johan is too much impressive and his cunningness and his manipualtion will be enough to remove ayanokoji from this world..
If it's outsmarting in 1v1 then koji kindly negs johan, If you mean overall by combining all the categories then koji again takes this high diff, If you mean overall according to situations then in stop scaling- Nfs-Koji Fs-Koji Real life-Johan Real life without influence-Koji Intelligence-Koji Manipulation (Overall)-Johan by Insane diff If it's in normal scaling then First i would like to add some categories which suits in situations and come in very handy and we will judge according to them(They're starting from scratch, Johan couldn't have used peoples like Roberto if he wasn't from kinderhiem and proved his abilities there, So we're completely restarting from the scratch, it's not fair to not give them equal advantages)- Trap setting- Koji low diff Observation (Overall)- Koji Very high diff Knowledge- Koji Very High diff Direct manipulation- Johan High diff Indirect manipulation- Koji High diff Emotional manipulation- Johan low diff Logical manipulation- Koji low diff Persuasion- Johan mid diff Success rate- Koji low diff Multiple layered traps- Koji no diff Critical thinking- Koji extreme diff Prediction-Johan insane diff Anticipation- Koji very high diff Analytical-Koji Low diff Logical reasoning- Koji No diff Illogical reasoning- Johan mid diff Adaptability- Koji mid diff There's all to it, But johan might be slammed if it's a situation if there's multiple above average or superior peoples then johan will be sitting duck there(Keeping his feats in mind). If it's like Liar game or whatever where there is only one genius whereas all are sh** then johan will gain massive advantage but in liar game and tomodachi game where people are superior than others as the level increases then johan might win first few rounds cuz there are headless chickens participating in it but as the level increases, Koji slams johan. Keeping all in mind now in situations- Non-fixed situations(first read the definition of nfs in term of games in chat-gpt) - Koji Very high-extreme diff (I'm not talking about only one game, they will play multiple). Fixed situations(Again)- Koji low diff (Again, headless chickens are excluded, even if they're included then koji mid diff) Real life situation- Johan low diff Real life situation(Without influence)- Koji extreme diff Cat mouse chase- Koji as both sides Low diff Liar game- Koji Mid diff Tomodachi game- Johan extreme diff but is useless if the game advance further then💀💀Koji low diff Alice on borderland- Haven't read it lol Usogui- Koji mid diff through his observation, logical and analytical reasoning, Even though those game falls under nfs and fs, I have to include it to make it clear.
Massive W🔥🔥, Being realistic as hell doesn't mean that he will necessarily win. Also, Koji has way more feats on outsmarting and Physical stats than johan so forget about johan taking low-mid diff. Koji is inferior to johan in some categories doesn't mean that he falls off completely like in indirect manipulation, Planning and EQ. He is inferior, But not by that much. Johan only has feats in EQ and knowledge whereas koji has shown feats in every categories except Social skills ofcourse. In "Overall", Koji takes this by Mid-High diff
I think that vci, vsi should go to Johan but mainly W overall, I disagree with very few of the distributions but for me Johan>around mid diff overall W edit did not disappoint 🐐
W edit + take🔥🔥🔥. In my opinion Johan takes VCI, VSI, Crystallized intellegence, observation (=), perception, intuition, logical manipulation, prediction, and Visual spatial intellegence and also Johan wins in Mind games Mid-High diff due his Advantage towards manipulation and deception plus in general outsmarting Johan taked High diff or very high diff and the nfs is low-mid diff, C&M is no diff, and RLS is also no diff and lastly the overall is mid-high diff but I can't complain this because its your opinion and the rest are fax.
@blazi5218 that was because johan did that but as a facility kinderheim was made to train kids into future German soldiers but in whiteroom all the kids are put in there from when they're born and I honestly think johan would get clapped by koji and would be kicked because he doesn't have kojis adaptability + physical abilities
@@mqurx His adaptability is crazy and he is mentally very strong. Johan is the peak of genetics and part of a eugenics project. Grimmer wasn't even part of the project and was capable of destroying human bones like it was nothing. If you put Johan from birth in the WR, what makes you think he would be traumatized? Takuya was the best of his generation and is not at Johan's level in potential. Kinderheim was psychologically hell, and like the WR it had a very high death rate. Even so, the same instructors had to suppress Johan with drugs, but he developed immunity to them (adaptability) and made the whole project shit.
@@Terakomari_7 I read the doc but I still think that Ayanokoji takes. Johan has better psychology but Ayanokoji has a better understanding of human nature and how to control it. He has way better EM and strategy than Johan and he has the ability to control people in a way that Johan can only dream of.
well it could go either way. IMO- Irl- Johan ext diff Fixed- Koji Mid diff Non fixed - Koji ext diff Death note- Johan- High diff Monster- Koji Ext diff Tomodachi Game- Koji High diff Code Geass- Koji High diff COTE exams- Koji Mid-High diff Liar game-Johan High diff Cat mouse- Johan High diff Team Situation- Koji High diff Influence building- Johan mid diff. Overall outsmarting-Koji mid-high diff Manip-Johan low-mid diff Overall- Johan
@@Leokstar Massive w for not underestimating or overestimating Johan. Mid diff is probably the perfect diff. And y'all stop saying it's no diff or Johan solos extreme diff...
@@Impostor869 Ofcourse johan is above canon L considering he is in the same tier as koji. Both high diffs canon L at max. Also Baku mid diffs both johan and koji
Who are you giving VCI?! Johan debatably takes it. And also takes logical manipulation, some more strategy categories and maybe even thinking categories. Knowledge and academics also go to Johan due to studying Latin, economics etc. manipluation battle is no diff (-), cat and mouse could be low diff, NFS is mid diff, FS is very high diff, mind games are possible equal, if not then Johan takes it insane diff. General outsmarting goes to Johan very high diff. Possibly even lower... Edit: Nvm... I think general outsmarting is ok. Mind games to Koji extreme diff. Still w opinion.
FVCI to Johan and CVCI to Koji. Logical manip to Koji for sure. Johan doesn't take a single strategy cat except for execution. The distrubution on thinking cats are perfect. Your daily life knowledge goes to Johan but overall knowledge to Kiyo low-mid diff. Academics to Kiyo neg diff(V0). Manip battle isn't only about manip. Johan takes it mid diff. Koji's best outsmarting feat came in a NFS It's def not lower than mid-high diff. FS to Koji low-mid diff(Much better strategy, FSIQ, intelligence, reasoning, thinking)
Kouji still high diffs imo I don't seem the re-evaluation to be that impressive Overall Intelligence- kouji low diffs Reasoning- Kouji mid-high diff Thinking- Kouji mid diff FSIQ- Kouji low diffs FSEQ- Johan low diffs FSSQ- Johan mid diff Planing- Johan extreme diff (his are mostly statements so yeah) Strategy- Kouji mid diffs (the docs doesn't buff it that much majorly) Manipulation- Johan low diffs Rls- Johan mid diff Physical fight- Kouji no diffs Overall Kouji : Kouji wins high diffs
@@Terakomari_7 reasoning no he ain't getting that docs doesn't even mention much about his reasoning skills either And strategy ain't close either Johan best strategy doesn't even come close Y1 Island strategy of Kouji lol
@@POKERFACESOCIOPATHKinderheim strategy, hospital strategy, middle-aged couple strategy, Prague strategy, Schwald strategy, Ruenheim, bank strategy, Heidelberg strategy, love letter strategy>> Johann was larger, more complex, and more efficient.
@@POKERFACESOCIOPATH10-year-old Johan escaped by deducing Tenma, the police, and doctors from the hospital strategy, deduced the relationship between Karl and Schuwald, and deduced Richard's secret.
Holy W edit+Wtake 🗣️🔥‼️ But imo some points goes Johan and he takes general outsmarting.I agree with diff,Johan High Diffs.Also Johan is criminally underrated 🥂🥂🥂
JOHAN LIEBERT : MANIPULATION BATTLE : LOW MID DIFF IN REAL LIFE SITUATION : MID DIFF NON FIXED OUTSMARTING : VERY HIGH DIFF WRITING : LOW DIFF AYANOKOJI KIYOTAKA : FIXED OUTSMARTING : HIGH TO MID DIFF GENERAL OUTSMARTING : EXTREME DIFF INTELLECT : VERY HIGH DIFF IN A FIGHT : NO DIFF OVERALL WINNER : VERY HIGH DIFF😊
w opinion fast thinking is true for light novel ayanokoji not anime cause in light novel he defeated a chess bot with 20m possibilties one sec by thinking of more possibilites
Isn't Johan hard carried by his influence and statements such as "leaving no evidence"? He was never against anyone competent in NFS outsmarting infact, and his manipulation feats are illogical, Lunge was the only one with a brain and he didn't have much influene, he was working alone
@Mohamed-le4jx You ain't lazy rn. This is your argument in every video. Hiding behind a doc in order to backup your takes. Better not criticize his opinion with actual points unlike you who's directing finger towards a doc.
@Mohamed-le4jx I'm Mr Conan indeed and a mere observation is enough for knowing the fact that you're relying on the doc with no argument. I have no obsession for you don't ya worry. And did you even consider the possibility of him reading the doc before commenting lmao. That's an absurd assumption of saying that he wouldn't have read the doc without knowing his side.
@Mohamed-le4jx And I gave you the answer why mentioning the doc with no knowledge of his pov is wrong either. And why would I sneak out. I said that sorry in a sarcastic tone. I can still say you solely rely on the doc and not on your reasonings. You're active enough to argue with me on proving you aren't doc dependent but lazy enough to give reasoning on your take without mentioning the doc? How funny.
Not really, you just need to see how he got that influence starting from being an orphan in 3 years. I must say that his manipulation certainly reaches unrealistic levels, this is said by Lunge himself in the novel.
I mean it is clear as crystal who would win in a fight. Just think about it from a logical perspective. Its safe to assume none of those could manipulate each other. And if you are thinking,Johan could manipulate others to beat Ayanokoji then he could do the same in fact Ayanokoji has more charisma than Johan. And Johan could never ever try to win against him in a one on one fight. So as long as it is about who would win? There is no doubt. Just stated the facts. Change my mind if you can 😂
I agree with others but no way that ayanokoji has more charisma, He gives off the vibes of a socially awkward introvert, But only when people talk to him, they start having different opinions, He is good at things like planning conversation conveniently, But if we're talking about overall charisma, No way that kiyo takes it
@@XtremeDumb14Koji taking charisma is the same as saying that Johan beats Koji in a 1vs1 match. 😂😂 In which scenes was Koji more charismatic than Johan?
bruh why comparing johan sht to ayanokoji..is this a joke..ayanokoji takes everything ...johan would not even have a single chance..everything that happens ayanokoji can predict perfectly who did it ..even if he doesnt exist he will find him easily through his works
@@phobicaddict duh you don't even know ayanokoji properly ..he is like a god among men if you know his actual plans and his achievements...even when he lost at white room it was all his plan to lose
A child is afraid of watching the monster. He only watched the elite chapter and many famous anime and said that the cold child is superior to the manipulative monster 😂😂😂@@tisshobarua5441
W Edit ,i want add my fight Monster Johan vs Devil Junko VCI,PSI,NVI,FRI,WMI,VSI,QRI,CPI,GAI, AWMI,VECI,FSIQ,FLUID VCI, BODILY KIESTHETIC,MUSICAL,FLUID,LM,NATURALIST:Junko ----------------------------------------------------------- INFLUENCE, ANALYSIS, DATA EVALUATION, DATA PROCESSING, DIGITAL HACKING:Junko --------------------------------------------------------------- LEADERSHIP,AURA,CHARM,DECEPTION,CHARISMA, EXISTENTIAL:Johan -------------------------------------------------------------- COLD READING,HOTREADING,ANTICIPATION ,BLACKMAIL,THREAT,COMPOSURE:Johan ---------------------------------------------------------------- L.S TERM STRATEGY, STRATEGY LENGTH,STRATEGY DECEPTION, STRATEGY COTROL,OVERALL STRATEGY:Junko -------------------------------------------------------------- MASS MANIPULATION, WORLD MANIPULATION, WORD DOMINATION, WORLD DESPAIR, SESUCTION,MIND CONTROL,CREATIVITY,PROBLEM ANALYSIS,OVERALL ANALYSIS AND MANIPULATION:Junko ----------------------------------------------------------------- SOCIAL SKILLS,SOCIAL AWARENESS.BOTH,SELF MANAGEMENT,SELF AWARENESS,EMOTHION PERCEPTION,EMONATHIONAL UNDERSTANDING,OVERALL EQ:Johan ---------------------------------------------------------- LOGICAL THINKING ,RATIONAL THINKING, VERBAL THINKING , SING REASONING,LINEAR THINKING, LONG TERM PLANNING ,PLANNING EFFICIENCY,SET TRAP,PLANNING DECEPTION ,OVERALL PLANNING:Johan --------------------------------------------------------------- TIME DIE BOY LONG TERM MEMORY ,SHORT TERM MEMORY ,MEMORIZATION, OVERALL MEMORY ,KNOWLEDGE ,KNOWLEDGE IQ,TACTIC ,METODS, SKILLS ,PHYSICAL ABILITIES, WORLD INFLUENCE ,OVERALL INTUITION,CRT,ILLT,NONVT,IRRAT,FT,OVERALL THINKING:Junko JUNKO SOLO ( MID-LOW DIFF)
@@John-p1x1q Koji takes EQM (intra: Perfect composure, inter: Y1 nurturing Suzune, Honami, Hirata feats) EQU: Takuya psychoanalysis EQE: Introduction 🔁 V0 This is just an example. Johan isn't a god of EQ, so if you disagree, we can debate
