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Johann Christian Bach :: Sonata in C Minor Op.17/2 :: Wim Winters, clavichord 

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Johann Christian Bach :: Sonata in C Minor Op.17/2 :: Wim Winters, clavichord
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If it wasn't for the Bach family, the 18th century would have looked very different from what it finally became. Imagine one family, with Johann Sebastian as eldest, father, developing the baroque music with 'learned' counterpoint to a level that still today is making all of us dizzy. And then imagine the children of that giant, Friedemann in the first place, considered to be the finest organist of his generation. The few works that he left, tear our hearts apart, since they show that he, if he only had the courage, or the demand, or even if he had married the right woman (he might have, I don't know), that he had the capacity to equal the work of his father. As did Carl Philip Emanuel, second son of the great Bach, full of energy, opening a complete new world, what we call today the "Empfindsamkeit", a new style, full of emotion, direct expression, the combination perhaps of what his father feed him with, with new elements, new harmonies maybe, although it is hard to overpower father Bach on that field, a real modernist in fact, but in anyway with a style and technique that formed its own school, next to that of his father. And then you have Christian, the youngest son, only born in 1735, when his father was on the height of his power, 50 years old, teaching him as he had his other kids, leaving Leipzig after the death of his father at age 15, heading to Berlin, to live and study with his brother Emanuel, 23 years older than he was. And he, Christian, leaving for Italy in 1756 and finally finding his place in London, opening again a new world, what we call today, the Galant style, inspiring great man like Mozart and feeding what was to become the Viennese classical music.
All those man, belonging to... one family. One father, three sons.
And yet.
Yet, there is only few things to be found on the second generation Bach. Yes, Emanuel again raises in the 'hitparade' today, but o so slowly. But Christian... he is hardly mentioned.
All victims perhaps of the mid/late 19th century musicologists that wanted to clear the space for only one Bach: Johann Sebastian. An image that lives until today, and by which I (I admit) was severely influenced.
Of course JSB is of a dazzling dimension. Of course he is. Of course he is. Of course he is. But we should change our perspective. From one person that died in 1750 and ended the period of what WE call the baroque period, to the entire dynasty, including all great sons. Great sons, that, they were.
We could rewrite history, bit by bit, putting into context what we, with our 20th c minds like so much to tear in pieces, put in boxes, but what originally was connected heavily with each other. One picture.
We could learn SOOOOO much by just doing this one thing....
w.
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Комментарии : 69   
@georgewinston5450
@georgewinston5450 3 года назад
Dear Wim, you have made a great contribution to humanity. The beauty and peaceful nature of this music is a gift to us all. It accompanies all the physio exercises I do every day which keep me pain free in my old age. My sincere thanks. George Winston
@이지호-o2h
@이지호-o2h 4 года назад
I really like your j.c. Bach's sonata op.17 no.2 and op.17 no.5 play! Also, they are the best versions!!!!!!!!!
@markhopwood6928
@markhopwood6928 8 лет назад
One of my favourite pieces. You are articulate it so well, in a "speaking" way.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
Thank yo so much, Mark, it is very nice to hear !
@anjaschouteden6749
@anjaschouteden6749 8 лет назад
Thank you Wim. It is a beautiful piece.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
xxx
@lonepilgrim83
@lonepilgrim83 6 лет назад
I love hearing you play music from this generation with such sensitivity, in away that really makes me feel that this way it was understood at the time, not at all hollow or lacking in emotion as often has been said, but truly subtle and deep. And I am getting a better understanding of why the clavichord is really the perfect instrument to do this everytime I hear you play!
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 6 лет назад
Thanks!
@nicolasmarquesruiz7556
@nicolasmarquesruiz7556 8 лет назад
Perfect as always Wim!!!! Love tour work!!!!!
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
Thank you so much, Nicolas !
@Garrett_Rowland
@Garrett_Rowland 4 года назад
I wonder if Mozart was partially inspired by this sonata for his 8th sonata (a minor) written a year later in 1779. The Andantes of each sonata feature similar harmonies and textures. More noticeably, the opening gestures of the Prestos are fairly similar. Maybe just a coincidence. Mozart did, of course, admire JC Bach great deal. Especially around the time these works were written. So it's not inconceivable either way: Mozart being directly inspired by this piece, or just simply channeling Christian's style into his own music.
@wolkowy1
@wolkowy1 4 года назад
Aside from the beauty of the piece and its performance, I totally agree with your info. section, and happy to be present in an era with musicians like you who open their (and our) minds and hearts, to get new perspective and evaluation of the history of Western Europe's music. Thanks a lot.
@canman5060
@canman5060 6 лет назад
I love playing this sonata.
@jackhousman6637
@jackhousman6637 8 лет назад
A lovely work. With the help of musician/scholars like yourself, JCB and his brothers will achieve the fame and appreciation they deserve.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
Thank you Jack, and not to forget by people like you, how listen and appreciate their music!
@theodosios2615
@theodosios2615 8 лет назад
I love this! So nice to listen to and relax after a busy day. Thanks for all the great music.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
And thank you for listening, Protos, glad this music responds to you !
@car8118
@car8118 7 лет назад
Truly wonderful! I have played the works of J.S. Bach for years; but I am just getting into playing the works of Bach's sons W.F., C.P.E., and J.C. and I'm enjoying them immensely. It is great to hear these works on clavichord--and instrument that remained popular in Germany into the 19th Century. Your playing is exquisite!
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 7 лет назад
Great to read and thank you for the nice words (those never hurts :) )I started with a new series around CPEBach, don't know if it is something for you, just link it here for you : ru-vid.com/group/PLackZ_5a6IWVNgSyw1SU_8qsmvqjwBqSU
@davidrodgers45
@davidrodgers45 8 лет назад
Wim, I'll never get tired of listening to you play. Even pieces I'm not particularly fond of come to life in a new way when you play them. I feel so fortunate to have discovered you. And, by the way, this is NOT one of those pieces I could say I'm not fond of. This piece is great. Such a treat to hear J.C.Bach; we get so few chances to do so. That whole family had more talent than anyone has a right to!
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
Thank you David, you know, what is also the case I believe, is playing that music on early keyboards adds a lot to the character of the piece. Clementi is also a great benifitter (is that correct English???) from early keyboard's sound.
@davidrodgers45
@davidrodgers45 8 лет назад
Something tells me you're about to be sorry you asked but... Since you asked, in English, a word spelled like that (ending in "er" tends to be an adjective or adverb and you meant it as a noun. We would say, "Clementi also benefits greatly (or you can choose 'greatly benefits') from using period instruments." Or you could say "Clementi is also a beneficiary of the use of period instruments." Beneficiary would be an adjective, in this case, modifying "Clementi." We have "Clementi" but, more specifically who is "Clementi?" Clementi is a "Beneficiary." - Adjective Now, just to confuse you completely, if you said "The beneficiary uses period instruments" then beneficiary becomes a noun. But that's a terrible approach to saying the thought... There isn't a way, in English, to make the word "benefit" more intense. Adding "er" to a word like "happy" can be intensified by saying "happier" (with the dropped "y" and added "i" just to make sure nobody can understand us. But there isn't any allowance for doing so with "benefit" which, on its own and out of context, is normally construed to be a verb." i. e. "Clementi benefits from period instruments." Here "benefits" is the sentence's verb, "Clementi" is the noun and "instruments" is the subject. Those are the three core things every sentence needs to be complete. (A "thing" has an "action" with an "object" and you have a sentence. Sometimes the object can be implied and the sentence is still complete. i. e. "I know." "I" is the noun, "know" is the verb and "what I know" is the object and is gathered from the context. Again: "Jesus wept." "Jesus" is the noun, "wept" is the verb and the fate of Jerusalem in the near future is the unstated object.) My wife hates it when I'm like this because, despite having read tens of thousands of books over the years, her grammar is terrible and she knows it. On your word again: There is a past tense (benefited) and a present tense ("benefit" is 1st person present or "benefits" 3rd person present) but no future tense without adding a word like (will benefit.) Sorry if I'm too simplistic but this example mixes up nouns, verbs, adverbs and adjectives all in one blow. (What were those British thinking when they developed this language?!) Words (in English) that modify nouns (people, places, things) are called adjectives and words that modify actions (called verbs) are called adverbs. Now, you used "benefit" as an actual noun. ("Bennifitter" meant to mean - He who benefits from) which, in English, is called a "Beneficiary." But in American English we tend to use that word more often in financial and socio-political contexts. It would be a good replacement for "Bennifiter" but the usage would give you straight away as a non-English speaker because your English would suddenly be of a higher order (better used) than most Americans can manage. Nothing gives you away as a foreigner better than having good English skills. The worst users of English I know of are Americans...
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
thanks David, for taking the time (and teach me!) w.
@davidrodgers45
@davidrodgers45 8 лет назад
Oh, now I have to rub it in. But I'll only indulge myself this once. It is: "and teaching me!" no parenthesis. :-)
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
You believe me when I tell you that that was what I actually had written...? It appears that when I think on a language as music, I make fewer mistakes. Thanks again, you'll have to come to Belgium a few months and we should daily have conversations like this !
@HaritheRenaissanceMan
@HaritheRenaissanceMan 3 года назад
Love this so much! Thank you for your sensitive playing and overall artistry. Truly a joy to listen to you! Aloha! Hari, your fan in Hawaii 🌺🌴🌈🌊
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 3 года назад
Wow, thank you!
@joshuapetersen4960
@joshuapetersen4960 8 лет назад
Wow that last movement was a dramatic thrill. I love your playing and love the channel. I would love to hear some of Duphly's later works on this instrument. Amazing.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
O thank you! I'll try one day, promise .
@Garrett_Rowland
@Garrett_Rowland 4 года назад
Allegro - 0:08 Andante - 4:58 Presto - 9:38
@rhoko84
@rhoko84 8 лет назад
I would like tell you a sugestion, but not in public because you are doing exelent performs. Thanks to share it, because we have the chance to hear ancient music sheets :)
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
Thanks! Feel free to send me a message through facebook !
@rhoko84
@rhoko84 8 лет назад
+AuthenticSound i will do :) as well, I'm totally agree with your historical introduction. thanks you for share it.
@vicenteromoespinosa3972
@vicenteromoespinosa3972 8 лет назад
What a studio! It has all u need
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
Thank you Vincente!
@bach-ingmad9772
@bach-ingmad9772 8 лет назад
Beautiful piece beautifully played.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
Thanks, and thank you for listening!
@adriatorras8077
@adriatorras8077 6 лет назад
what a genious jc bach and wim
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 6 лет назад
Thanks Adria for listening, it indeed is so nice music, Anja, my wife is always happy when she knows there is a piece of JCBach on a program and I can understand why!
@herrvonunknowngut7141
@herrvonunknowngut7141 6 лет назад
Bravo Bach!.
@laimeca92
@laimeca92 7 лет назад
You're amazing!
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 7 лет назад
You're too kind... J.Chr.Bach is what makes this recording to what it is, but... thank you very much! w.
@canman5060
@canman5060 6 лет назад
The last movement is kind of like the predecessor of the last movement of Beethoven first piano sonata Op 2 No 1.
@Renshen1957
@Renshen1957 2 года назад
Lovely performance, although even before the English “John Bach” came unto the scene, Handel noted that the English didn’t play the clavichord even though he said it was the superior instrument to learn on. As such there was only one clavichord by a native English builder (Christopher Hicks 1780) built after the fashion of a square piano. The well to do imported clavichords from Hamburg, majority purchased harpsichords, and later fortepianos (square and much later grand pianos plus two examples of 2 manual combined harpsichord and piano hybrids one of which contained a 16 ft stop. For the middle class spinets were the home instrument until the square piano later made in roads.
@johnkiunke5617
@johnkiunke5617 8 лет назад
This is one of my favorite pieces! I was so excited when I saw the title!
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
Glad to hear that John! Is there another JSB that you would recommend?
@johnkiunke5617
@johnkiunke5617 8 лет назад
AuthenticSound Op. 5/2 is a nice piece, and there's a very interesting prelude and fugue in Op. 5/6
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
thanks! I'll check it out.
@johnkiunke5617
@johnkiunke5617 8 лет назад
AuthenticSound PS: Which edition are you playing from?
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
The old Peters edition 1927, I'll talk a bit tomorrow in the Aft on that, I hadn't found the Garland edition any more. You know more on that what was published more recently and still is available?
@ruckers1624
@ruckers1624 8 лет назад
JC Bach certainly underrated... don't quote me please, but seems like i read from Charles Burney that JC Bach's first set of clavier sonatas we're not up to standard because JC had hurt his hands and wrists writing so many operas in Italy.... a nice way of saying he wasn't as virtuose as his siblings maybe. Btw: really like your tempo choices for that instrument! Thanks for sharing.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
Thanks for listening and your nice comment! I'll look Burney up, depending on the time -he was really in favor of CPEBach a long time- it might have to do with the style. Interesting suggestion, thanks!
@ruckers1624
@ruckers1624 8 лет назад
Please reply here if you think of it after you find something! It's been several years since i read through Burney... but you might be right about the style question. JC Bach's music does have that something Italian to it....
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
Don't worry about the quote, I will look it up soon, since a reread of Burney is since long on the list. JCB clearly steps in the gallant style, and influenced musicians like Mozart in a great deal. At the same time the styles were shifting, also with Burney, as you can read in the wonderful book 'CPEBach studies' edited by Annette Richards, from CPEB's Emfindsamkeit, to the gallant style, so that even an in that time incredible popular composer like abbé Vogler could state that CPEBach was a great composer, but that he should start to compose music that people of today understand (read: like). It is something I did not realize enough, the fact that composers back then, not always (if ever) had the chance to impose their personal preference to their audiences, but that the audience often was forcing them to follow the general shifts of styles. In that regard, it is amazing how composers like Mozart, more on the end of his life, reconnects to what they then called the 'learned counterpoint'. Not writing this to make the impression that I know all of this... but it is interesting matter! Thanks again for sharing your idea (and we should create again a platform for sharing ideas, suggestions, posing questions, interpret, and listen to the experiences of each other, more than trying to "proof" someones 'right' or 'wring', not?
@ruckers1624
@ruckers1624 8 лет назад
Not a bad idea on the platform. At the moment Facebook offers a good place for that maybe. I don't consider myself an expert anymore, as I've not played Clavichord for a number of years, however the 5 years or so I had two lovely instruments, i felt the expert :D Re: Counterpoint: that was a strange thing how people didn't want to be burdened with "learned" music as opposed to simple entertainment music. "Nobile simplice" was the word of the day!!! Telemann might be the best example of the first composer to go that direction... but I agree with you completely how Mozart and co began to re-instate the old contrapuctual forms again... Mozart was introduced to Bach's WTC through Baron van Swieten.... and i can't quote correctly, but Mozart's wife said something along the lines with "das schoenste in der Musik komponierst Du gar nicht..." in reference to counterpoint... thusly why there are the few suite fragments and fugues from Mozart... in every case though looking forward to more pieces from you!
@catg2299
@catg2299 5 лет назад
Op.5 and probably the later Op.17 were written to played by "fashionable young ladies " if I'm correct on the square pianos of the day...not virtuoso peices because that wasn't the market he was aiming for.
@RealHogweed
@RealHogweed 8 лет назад
top shelf as always Wim Are you planning on doing an aftertthought on the sixth partita?
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
Thank you ! I have made a video on the partita project in stead of a regular episode. I am thinking on how to share with you the moments of practicing for the tape-recordings, as, contrary to what many might think, there still are so many moments of doubts, decisions to be taken, even frustrations, etc. And on the 6th, I might be doing somewhat later a live stream on the sarabande maybe.
@JanWeinhold001
@JanWeinhold001 8 лет назад
Thanks Wim, beautiful, as always! Especially the second movement reminds that Mozart admired JCB a lot, met him and made from three op.5 sonatas keyboard concertos. Best Jan PS: conquest.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/d/d3/IMSLP93512-PMLP09606-JCBach_-_Op17.pdf you can find op.5 also there. Easy to read and good page turns as far as I remember.
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
Thank you Jan, great link !
@LosPompadores
@LosPompadores 8 лет назад
You can really hear his influence on Mozart there
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 8 лет назад
Thanks Yves, for listening! Yes, Mozart was very much influenced by J.Chr. Bach
@clivegoodman16
@clivegoodman16 6 лет назад
Yves Cooreman. Mozart met JC Bach in London when he was eight. JC Bach was a grown man at that time. I believe Mozart recognised his indebtedness to JC Bach.
@clivegoodman16
@clivegoodman16 4 года назад
I thought that JC Bach, unlike his father, composed for the piano
@AuthenticSound
@AuthenticSound 4 года назад
he 'kind' of took the clavichord to England, not really, but there were some other 'Germans' who in England turned the clav slowly into a square piano. J.S.Bach had given his clavichords to Christian though
@miguelmendizabalcontreras9771
@miguelmendizabalcontreras9771 3 года назад
too fast.
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