You’ve got to remember the colonists were not the usual British cast offs like crooks or poor people who went everywhere else in the British empire. They were proper English folk who just wanted to be English somewhere else. I personally think what really turned the tide was Canada. When the British received it in the peace settlement with France. They started making new rules for them. I think the colony’s felt betrayed. A bit like when a wife finds out there husband is in a relationship with someone else. They think they are exclusive.
Ladies and gentlemen, our Founding Fathers Truly God blessed America, because there is no other explanation for us getting passed the Second Continental Congress.
@@dreamtheater6343 I once saw someone on Twitter state that it was amazing that Americans can come together every 4th of July to celebrate despite being so divisive year-round. My response? Of course because no matter what we could be, better than being England 😂😂😂
@@AnselmsAlwaysAccurate Better than being England? you were all English decedents yourselves back then including your founding fathers, it was a civil war you were fighting.
Emilio Reyes Honestly yeah. I think that should extend to their private life. They should all have to live on a big facility away from any major city. Basically it should be like a military base, but for the Legislature. They shouldn’t be getting such fat paychecks either. Overall make it a position of service, not an elite ruling class.
FrontLineTexan 21 Or maybe if their paychecks were fatter they would be less inclined to do the bidding of the corporate owners? There are very few men and women of principle entering politics these days.
revo1974 By making it a position of service you still make it so more people who actually have some principles come in. Again make it a position of service. Make it uncomfortable like it was back then.
@@ReformedSooner24 You could really say 3 times. They'd formed a new legislature in Charlestowne and declared independence in December 1719 from their rulers (Lords' Proprietors). They after convinced George I to adopt SC as a royal colony.
Agreed, South Carolina was always the problem child through the Civil War (John C. Calhoun was a particular Bastard!) and then General Sherman came in for payback!
I love when Adams is asked who will join them in this "folly" to which he proclaims "France!"...and the expression on ben Franklin's face lmao the pursed lips and exascerpated look of "okay, well, don't go about it like that, John ".
The entire fight for everything the Continental Congress does, Jefferson stays silent or makes a very clear thought provoking point, Ben says something that makes everyone laugh and realize he's right, Adams says something that may be true or false in such a way as to piss off everyone in a 5 mile radius.
It was a pretty bold play by Adams. Many of these men fought against or fled from the French in what was essentially a war of existential importance just over a decade prior, and many still clung to their national identity as Englishmen, albeit disaffected ones. To suggest that France would be the savior of their cause would be tantamount to a modern-day American dissident calling upon Russia to help overthrow the US government.
“People! Dr Franklin knows England better than anyone here! I mean hell, he was once lord Cornwallis and got driven out by Mel Gibson and his militia!”
Then his left hand sprang up and took life of its own as the rest of Rutledge's body turned away and ushered his decided spirit out and away from all of John Adams' consideration. In spirited convulsions of something like the demoniac, the hand would have had more to say whilst listening not, like an angered headmaster towards an insolent student.
People with characters similar to Adams don't often get appreciation for their service, public or otherwise, because of the brusque, direct mannerism is disliked.
Ironic how Tom Wilkinson played General Cornwallis, commanding the British Army in 'The Patriot' and then turns around and becomes Benjamin Franklin here.
"The question is not whether by a, by a, Declaration of Independence that should make something of us that we are not .. but whether we should declare a fact, something that already exists" ~ Benjamin Franklin
As much I support Adams in this scene, imagine yourself in the 18th century with no possibility of contacting your possible ally (France), that if they want to enter in a war with Britain about a bunch of colonies in the East Coast of North America? Pretty worrisome and vague to the other members of congress, at best.
...especially considering the fact that France had been the mortal enemy of these colonies (particularly the New England and Middle colonies) for the previous few decades.
Edward Rutledge of South Carolina (wealthy Southerners wore brighter clothing, elaborate wigs, and adopted European mannerisms), was a British-trained lawyer, described by Dr. Hall of GA (iirc) as having a "very nasal voice, like New Englanders when they sing hymnody." His opposition, having been overridden, Rutledge went on to serve his new country with distinction. He was 26 at the time of the Continental Congress.
Good grief. Rutledge was a southern aristocrat. He was from a privileged class and had wealth. It showed in his dress and mannerisms, which were not gay, but arrogant and confident at the same time. You cannot judge the refinement of hundreds of years ago by your phobic interpretations of today.
South Carolina was slow to come around because they didn't want to rock the boat and all the trade with England . Plus many had land grants from the King . There were many loyalists in SC and the British Army had not marched in like they had in Boston .
Michael Hennesy And once the British DID march in? SC came scurrying along and joined the fight like everyone else - just MUCH later than they needed to. They were basically the Freys of the American Revolution. They were also the first to secede later on. Buncha fucking sNoWFLaKeS, if you ask me.
@@ReformedSooner24 The term was "Dandy" in those days. The first bicycle was called a Dandy Horse, because it was only the rich effeminate Dandy boys that could afford one.
@@mrbrainbob5320 Having watched multiple family members get so old they forget who the fuck they are... dying at 40-50 would be a fucking blessing. Sign me up.
@@mrbrainbob5320 That's not actually true. Prior to the Industrial Revolution, the average lifespan was in the 50s or so because of the high frequency of stillbirths and fatal illnesses at incredibly young ages. If you made it past that, you had a good chance of at least making it to your 60s.
@Rommel the Cat No, it's not. And I'm sorry you're going through it too. My grandfather on my dad's side was the exception... distinguished career on Great Lakes freighters, dined like a king (lasagnas, burgers, beers, cigars, you name it) retired and continued to eat the same way, died comfortably at 65 while taking a nap in his favorite chair, shoelaces untied, unlit cigar in his mouth, TV remote in hand. EMT's said it was the most comfortable passing they ever witnessed in their entire lengthy careers. That's 1 in a million... my ass isn't getting that. But, I plan on continuing to eat like he did, in an attempt to NOT end up like my other family members. Bring on the heart attack, and DO NOT ASSIST.
Old comment but I laugh thinking George Washington was like "France, shit hope I don't have to talk to anyone that knew all the Frenchmen I killed a few years ago.."
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True...but Enemy of my Enemy and all that. The French were a Superpower with enough military might to match and even outclass England...and they would jump at any chance to strike a blow to their power.
@@LaughingOwlKiller All well and good, France did beat Britain in the revolutionary war, but Britain would get their revenge when they took down Napoleon.
The oldest signer of the Declaration of Independence was Benjamin Franklin. There are now 24 counties named Franklin in the United States. The youngest signer, at age 26, was Edward Rutledge of South Carolina. There are no counties named Rutledge.
Well, I mean, look at their achievements and personality. Little is taught about Mr. Rutledge's opposition in the early days of the war to the end of his political career. Franklin did more and was talked about his the highest regard everywhere.
Rutledge was a preening peacock, but even he had no choice to come around in the end. Of course, it cost us the possibility of ending slavery, right then and there...
@Sturgeon So did North Carolina. Doctor Thomas Hall, however, did not own slaves and didn't believe it had value. Georgia, for a good 60 years, actually refused endorsing slavery as an economical means.
That possibility never existed. Don't take the musical 1776 as history. The South was united against the slavery passage and it was removed with no fuss.
As I understand it many who appalled slavery wrote the Declaration, or the Constitution with Emancipation in mind. Problem was unity and independence was the more important matter for the colonies at the time.
I know this post was made seven years ago, and you have probably gotten your answer already elsewhere since then, but for the record, the actor playing Edward Rutledge was a then-26 year old American named Clancy O'Connor. And he is openly gay, according to the Wikipedia page I read on him.
Ben Franklin: "Mr. Adams is right! Let us send an envoy to King Louis while our affairs wear a hopeful aspect" Ben Franklin [sotto voce]: "I nominate Ben Franklin to go to Paris" Ben Franklin [sotto voce]: "Second!"
After reading 1776 and John Adams by David McCullough . John Adams is by far my favorite President and founding father of our country. We were a breath away from losing the war for Independence it is amazing that we won. We had ordinary men do extraordinary feats of courage and ingenuity. These men here changed the course of history in the world at that time as no nation as the United States ever existed in history. An amazing time to be alive although not at that time only as the centuries have passed do we see the daring action they set us upon. I would not like to imagine had our Revolution had not gone the way it did. The world would be a different place.
And, now, in this most desperate of times do we once again need patriots of this caliber to fight back against the neo-nazis globalists and their leftist minions. Unfortunately, no such genes seem to remain among us.
There exist many, many documents from the entire founding period. Remember, in the 1770"s they didn't have TV, radio & the many other things we have today that cause many people to not read or write. In addition, the founders were educated intellectual professionals... all these things combined to cause their lives & culture to be one in which they wrote very much. In fact, in general, all of the colonists were quite well educated because they were nearly all Protestants. Since their beginning,
The colonies had just gone through a fear of French invasion from Canada in the Seven Years War that ended only in 1763. So that guy shouting "Mr. Adams would make us French subjects" was not far off the mark. The colonies were weak and France was strong, a mere 15 years earlier having posed a grave threat to the existence of the colonies as English-speaking, Protestant jurisdictions. Only the might of the British Empire kept the French in check by running them out of Canada. Thus the threat of French invasion and conquest was not to be taken lightly in 1775 and 1776 if it were only the weak colonies keeping French military and naval power in check...
Here's a little history lesson the United States is not democracy it's not mentioned in the Declaration of Independence and it's not mentioned in the Constitution of the United States don't be lazy go see the declaration of Independence in person and the same with the Constitution of the United States of America people are so damn lazy they would rather look it up on their smartphones or laptops but what I'm trying to say is if you see the original declaration of Independence in person you will experience something that you've never felt before but you would have to experience this for yourself then and only then you'll truly understand what I'm trying to say
From the book by David McCullough: "Young Ned Rutledge is a perfect Bob o' Lincoln, a swallow, a sparrow, a peacock, excessively vain, excessively weak, excessively variable and unsteady - jejune, inane, and puerile." -John Adams
If you ever get a chance to go visit Philadelphia and the first Congressional Hall do it the feeling that you get when you walk inside that building the wife and I had a chance to do it last summer and I felt about 2 inches tall. There's just something about that building and its presence knowing what took place in that building and the people that were there way before any of us
Funny thing how none of these people talk about how they refuse to pay less tax than people living in England, yet they are happy to pay for their own army, AFTER Britain fought for their safety just few years ago. Whole thing came about because Britain needed to replenish funds spent to defend the colonies. Yeah, ask for taxation with representation, but do not forget to mention why those taxes were levied in the first place.
People founded the colonies because they were persecuted in England. The real war was in the West Indies, India and Europe. The colonies were secondary.
Beni Habibi -- The "Modern " American Southern ' slang' used today did NOT EXIST back then sir . The 'Original' 13 British Colonies were made up of Englishmen who WERE PROUD to be Englishmen . They didn't seek rebellion or retribution only to re-obtain their RIGHTS as Englishmen which were being stripped away by Proclamation after Proclamation . Only AFTER they had exhausted ALL other avenues of approach did they then Proclaim themselves and their generations to follow as 'Free' American Sovereign Citizens in the World . The modern vernacular used in today's American South came about due to the people who would eventually settle or be resettled there . 100 years of an isolation to any extent will play a part in the speech of the survivors and do remember that the North and South did fight a long lasting and bloody WAR in which the more eloquent ,educated and responsible citizenry of the South perished plus after the American Civil War the So - called Southern Gentlemen were arrested and died in prison camps . Their generations to follow that were left behind were made up of women and children , to that end proper speech became a thing of their past . At this time in American history the education establishments were largely in the North as was the manufacturing , the South contributed raw materials from farms and wood lots . Impoverished farmers weren't usually eloquent and ' slang' was very prominent which does take a toll on dialect .
From what I understand, the accents portrayed here are very close to genuine for the time. Somewhere on RU-vid is a recording of a Confederate veteran, from the upper classes, describing his experiences in the war. His accent is not at all what you would expect.
Honestly I can understand them flabbergasted when they heard France will help in fighting for insurrection against their country of Great Britain. It’d be like today if Alaska was pissed at our country of America and asked thought about asking Russia for help for independence. Same thing.
Adam's and Franklin both knew the intricacies of great Britain and Adam's knew the only way to bring parliament to the table was by force which ended up being right.
Most of this ( Arguments) (Independence) had been done, at The City Tavern.......These guys were drunk or drinking most of this Time. .. Must be a Philadelphian to know this.........Most scholars an historians are quite amazed that anything had been done..........considering the City Tavern............lol...........true..............
That's my favorite part. The great incredulous hue and cry when Adams says "France". lol It's like "Are you out of your mind, you Boston pipsqueak! Good luck with that!"
The representative from South Carolina show the divide between the north and the south. It was this divide that had to be bridged. The north needed the south to fight the British. The south needed slavery to grow cotton. The founding fathers agreed to make slavery a state issue in exchange for the south agreeing on the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Given the language in these documents that all men are created equal and the institution of slavery, the United States was on a collision course with itself.
