Shogun Hiroyuki Sanada Samurai series full scene (Yuka Kouri) Lady Kiku best moments, Mariko offer Anjin to stay with Kiku. John Blackthorne refuse Lady Kiku and want to be with Mariko. #HiroyukiSanada #Shogun #Samurai
Also in the tea room, Kiku mentions the courtesan experience must be different back in Anjin’s homeland, he says yes they’re not as well presented and inquisitive as you. Mariko translates this back to Kiku saying ‘he prefers his homeland’ LOL. Our girl’s a little jelly. 😅
I find the chemistry between Mariko and Blackthorn is excelent the way her breath catches while interpreting for him it's clear they both have feelings for each other.
@@abc92800 Spoilers:…....…................Ah, I am not sure, as far as I remember from the book, regularly they were together on the way to Yedo. This is yet to come in the series.
@@abc92800 I love me some good angst and will absolutely devour it when it's done well. It is done very, very well here. So much so that the tea room scene to me is one of the greatest tv moments ever, a real masterclass in romantic tension and sexual desire. But we've gotten extreme angst for 3 episodes and there needs to be further development now, some relief needs to happen. I keep wanting more of them. I want to see them acknowledge their love and be soft and romantic with each other. Their love story is my favorite part of the show. With only 3 episodes left, they better deliver lol. The actors have way too good chemistry to waste it away.
In ancient Japan, the high ranked courtesans were a real deal. They've been trained since a very young age and well educated. They're not only good in bed but also mastered in many arts such as singing, dancing, playing instruments and painting. That's why they are expensive af!
I don’t think anybody commented yet on the fact Toranaga is pitting them all against each other. He knew Omi is in love with Kiku from his spies, he knows of course Omi pissed on Blackthorne and the two hate each other, and of course he knows Buntaro is jealous of Mariko spending all her time with Blackthorn. It is revealed towards the end of the book that Toranaga bought out Kiku’s contract from her Tea House in order to control Omi - who he thninks is much smarter than Yabu and can potentially become a problem one day - or a great ally, when they eliminate Yabu. It’s all plans within plans. He also of course wants to get mariko to stay closer to Toranaga but he cannot get totally over Buntaro’s head. That all aside - Kiku sees what’s going on between Mariko and Blackthorn and says, I can leave and close the door behind me - you can be completely alone with him and nobody will know and I will not tell. Mariko refuses - she understands this is dangerous for her - It’s all about discipline and thinking two steps ahead, this is basically what the scene is about.
"'She had not been prepared for what soon became obvious: clearly the Anjin-san desired the Lady Toda, though he hid it as well as any civilized person could hide it. This in itself was not surprising, for Lady Toda was most beautiful and accomplished, and, most important, she alone could talk with him. What astounded her was that she was certain the Lady Toda desired him equally, if not more. The barbarian samurai and the Lady samurai, patrician daughter of the assassin Akechi Jinsai, wife of Lord Buntaro! Eeeee! Poor man, poor woman. So sad. Surely this must end in tragedy"
Yes, I seem to remember this quote from the book... To be honest, I feel that, both the 1980 version, and this 2024 version, do NOT quite measure up to the story in the book... In the book, there was far more detail about what actually happened, but we are only getting a brief glimpse in this episode... I think that, in this 2024 version, Kiku looks very nice, but the lady in the 1980 version was not so nice... Just my opinion...
@@richardruff8712 I cannot tell about the book - everybody reads and interprets books and stories through their own eyes. So we are seeing in 1980 and now different pieces of art, and they cannot be exactly as the book. I prefer this series version much better than the 1980 one though. The costumes and the cinematography in the first place, but mostly because the mood of this series vibrates with me much better - for example in this scene. the tension, the passion, the desire, the positioning of the characters, the light, just everything.
@@Jepopova Spoiler alert ! ... Please don't give advanced clues away, to those new viewers, who have not seen the 1980 version, nor read the 1244 pages of the book... That is why I try to give my comments... ONLY about what we have seen, so far... I try not to give any information about what is to come ? .... We shall see ?
@@JepopovaYes, I note you have deleted part... Thank you for teaching me something.... I was not aware that the originator of a comment, could, if required, actually alter or delete parts of the comment... I just assumed that a comment is ' fixed in stone ' and could not be altered... This is most interesting ... Thank you...
Omi didn't do himself any favors. Falling in love with someone like Kiku is pure pain 😂 I think the actress is the most beautiful out of all of them, yet does such a great job portraying those dead eyes and that soulless expression.
People who nit pick this excellent series by comparing it to the book or the original series should just relax. Take it for what it is. The cinematography, the lighting, the intimacy of the scenes - even the not so sensual ones - are far superior to the original , IMO. That's a tough call, but that's what I think. The music score and over all audio experience is very much superior.
The cinematography is overproduced and unnecessary to the point of distracting. The lighting is your typical drained color pallet that seems to be in EVERYTHING nowadays. Who the F cares about two actors bumping uglies on screen? Is this a historical series or a porno? Give me a tight script and decent locations...and actors who don't look and sound constipated.
I read the book several times and watched the original series. If I wanted to be pedantic about it I could pick holes in both TV versions but I'm very much aware that it's easy to be an armchair director and that the majority of viewers haven't read the book and probably wouldn't enjoy my version of the story - which would cover practically every page and go on for 30-40 hour-long episodes, sticking religiously to the text. As for this series, I share your views on every aspect of the presentation and can only add that I think the casting has been excellent and each character totally believable.
@@stuartdear1187 Agreed. But honestly both the TV series have pros and cons. This version is gorgeous in presentation but for me there was more chemistry between the characters in the original series.
People come to this place have something they wish to forget, be it boredom, pain, hardship, disappointment. I offer you relief from this, and safety, to create one perfect moment that you wish to inhabit completely. Settle your eyes on what you desire, I ask you into my openness, I ask you to be here with me now.
I like how she makes use of the space. And the theme of a secret private world which mirrors the secret world of women and how they fight. She sits beside Mariko I'm her shadow so its like you're actually talking to Mariko. She can see the tension between them and she's "serving" them both. She knows they have feelings for each other and knows that the only comfort she can offer is privacy to be together. But Mariko refused.
@@einezcrespo2107 he is very gentlemanly than the guys who came to Kiku , who were polite outside and horrible inside. John looked like whatever he was and that's why Kiku liked him .
"Uuuugh! . . Wanted to hear her say, " . . . for your return visit . . . We should not only make the trees shake . . . . . . . . . .But the leaves fall as well." :D
The price for the evening was much higher than most of us realize. The experience cost roughly $900 in today's US dollars. That's roughly the price of women like Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal. Unless we were billionaire real estate developers, we couldn't afford Kiku. Torrenaga is a generous man. He wouldn't have to pay hush money but cold steel.
You are a connoisseur I see LOL Think about it that $900 was for a whole night with an expert at pleasing men and not a washed up bikini model. @@gamemaster2311
There are lots of people who get her name wrong in the comments here, calling her “kiko” or “miko” (even though it's in the title!) This is how Asians are treated in the Western world.....
Torenaga ordered mariko to get john a courtesan as a test because he suspected her and john had feelings for each other. On top of that he wanted her to watch which she couldn't bare so she walked out. Even kiku and her mistress knew they had something going on😂 Pay attention to the "gestures"
The book version of this visit is a little more... not graphic, but detailed? Suffice to say the lady was quite pleased with her time with the Anjin... to the point of almost overstepping the bounds of propiety with a fairly obvious look of longing.
@@finalarbitrator4551 I'm joking. I'm suggesting that Japanese men have small penises, like in stereotype. But then I'm suggesting that Anjin-san is "big" by being only slightly larger than the Japanese men the geisha is used to. A finger joint is one of the bones in the finger. Each finger has three bones to it (the phalanges). I don't know what unit of measurement the Japanese were using at the end of the 16th Century AD, but it wouldn't be the Englishman's inches and feet. A finger would be a common point of reference between the two cultures. Also, a finger's length, whether two joints or three, would not be considered long, no matter who you are.
It would explain why Mariko reacted the way she did after getting some. She wasn't exactly in a hurry for more. I found her reaction less than believable otherwise ahahaha. Maybe poor Blackthorne has spent too many years at sea and doesn't know what he's doing.
No, Sonoya doesn't look like the women of old Japan, she looks modern and mixed. The actress they have now is perfect and has a very seductive presence.
@@sabrinazurich2241 Really? I guess the White Worm wasn't killed after all. Nonetheless, she is _very_ busy, not least of all with Civil War and around 5 other projects.
I think you will enjoy your time in my Tea House. Some call it the Willow World, because my ladies are like lilies in a lake. There you will find no prying eyes from the outside world. All of this I guarantee… … allow me to explain why the Willow World is among the most treasured planes of existence. People who come to this place have something they wish to forget. Be it boredom, pain, hardship, or disappointment. They believe this place is about physical pleasure, which it is. But it can be more. The people I meet wish for a different life or circumstance. They want to be anyplace other than where they are. I offer you relief from this and safety to create one perfect moment that you wish to inhabit completely. Settle your eyes on what you desire. My unclothed form. Just as I am with nothing between us. I ask you into my openness. I ask you to be here with me now.
I read somewhere that Fuji is described in the novel to be ‘plain’ looking. In this 2024 film version, Fuji is definitely plain compared to Mariko and Kiku.
I still prefer Fuji, especially in this film. Her eyes are sparkling in every scene. Kiku and Mariko are gorgeous but I think Fuji has a more sense of pureness. That's what makes her so special.
Fuji is no less beautiful than Mariko, Kiku and Ochiba. While she may be the plain looking of them all, her face expression and gesture is second to none compared to the other female characters in the film. And that made Fuji very attractive to see.
In the book, Kiku ends up marrying Anjin after Mariko’s death at Toranaga’s order. I was hoping that they would include that in the end of the show. In the 1980s version Anjin gives Kiku to Omi. Either was better than the 2024 of just leaving her character in the marsh of Edo.
Did John Blackthorne pillow Kiku actually or not? I am confused. Episode 7 mother courtesan said his mind is on Mariko i assume not? But in Japan of that time to not pillow is great shame
Yes they did. Take note of Mariko's jealousy when she changed the translation of Kiku's words. In the book Kiku and Mariko actually got along also in the 80's TV series.
Before there was a John Blackthorne, Hatamoto, in feudal Japan there was the Samurai Yasuke. Yasuke, born in Mozambique, was a former slave who gained employment as a bodyguard to an Italian jesuit missionary. They traveled to Japan in 1579 where Yasuke lietrally beame a celebraty with his social charm and stature. Eventually Yasuke gained employment as a sword bearer for the Daimyo. I believe Yasuke story will make an awesome movie.
I much preferred the 1980 SHOGUN's version of this sequence. Other than Blackthorne, the characters weren't nearly as blatant with their feelings of annoyance and discomfort with the situation.
For authenticity, I prefer this show any day as it was conducted by a true Japanese production. Some elements from the book (like character names) were also changed for the show as they were inconsistent with the Edo period
show has been amazing, this episode was the first one where i think they were going a litttttttle heavy on the femanism side but hey.....the name of the episode had me expecting it.
What's driving my disappointment in this version is they're constantly leaving the deeper emotions in the story un-filmed and unexplored. Not that the book is a sacred text but the author chose his moments. When Kiku asks Blackthorne about his homeland, it's then it fully hits him how different, AND GRIMY his previous life was and he realizes what he's GAINED and lost. The two writers here just glide by it. When Toranaga calls the troops to order, or the "only if you win" scene are all flatter than they should be in impact. No amount of blood and gore porn is going to cover up this lack of drama. I don't think the screenwriters had the capability to explore the deeper meanings of the book which is weird because they're RIGHT THERE spelled out. I'm pretty well checking out. It's been a disappointment and could've been better.
A 'barbarian' is a completely appropriate word for Blackthorne from the Japanese perspective. He is not merely a foreigner but also considered to not be someone possessing civilized status.
It is understandable that this drama is not as popular in Japan as it is abroad. Japanese period dramas are not so cruel and heavy-handed and focus on the goodness of people.I think this drama is made with the prejudice that Japanese people are barbaric, just because they are faithful to their manners, buildings and kimonos.
@@emilyrainflower25 The producers and actors are Japanese, but this drama is based on a British remake and the script is also written by a Westerner. Most Japanese stopped watching the original Shogun drama in the 1980s halfway through because it was cruel and barbaric. Viewing ratings were low. This drama is produced by Hiroyuki Sanada, so the Japanese customs and buildings are accurate, but not the actual history of Japan. It is a fiction using Japanese history. It is true that in the 1600s Japan was in a state of civil war, but as the Portuguese missionary Luis Frois wrote, women walked alone. He also wrote that peasants watched the samurai fighting while eating onigiri (rice balls). At that time, basically no one was killed except the warriors. Also, there is no history of foreigners who drifted ashore being boiled in a kettle and killed for no crime.
The people of that era in general are fairly "barbaric" if we compare them to a post-Geneva convention mentality. Keep in mind the writer of this story wrote what he knew from his perspective, and he was not entirely accurate, though due to his efforts a lot of people became fascinated with the idea of getting to know Japan more in the latter half of the 20th century. Japan was no exception to barbaric behavior, though they had their own style, they preferred cutting heads off corpses to identify them after the fact as a means of prestige bargaining, which some other cultures probably would argue was a bad practice...Europeans preferred their nobles mostly alive for ransom money. I am not too wild about the boiling alive scene, given that was a very rare thing, and as another channel pointed out: Henry VIII did far more boiling of people than virtually anybody else did, and even other European monarchs thought that was a savage thing to do. I think we can cut the creators of this show just a little bit of slack.
Geez, yet another character distorted out of recognition. Kiku's job was to please, not discuss social issues in Japan. Blackthorne bowing upon his departure is inappropriate as well. She should have bowed first, not him. The thread throughout the entire sequence is to put the females in charge, which contradicts the book's descriptions of alpha males running rampant. The American left destroys another great story, as they always do.
Blackthorne bowing first shows he's still feeling his way around Japanese culture. Most likely there is still a tinge of Western-style chivalry ingrained in him. Remember, the story of Walter Raleigh laying his coat over a puddle for Elizabeth I is still fresh at this time.
@@lieutenantkettch No, he knew better. Mariko had told him about the conduct that was expected of him. The writers wanted their concepts of females injected into a 17th century story. If they want to make up their own, go for it. But don't distort Clavell's masterpiece so you can virtue signal.
This show is moving way too slowly and focusing way too much on the women in the book. The first two episodes were great but since then it has been on a downward trajectory.
After so much focus on the men, I'm interested in the lives of the women. All the promo shots o Mariko with a spear. Fuji with her gun. And all the promo about how women are trained to gain influence. They fight in the a more indirect and occasionally direct way it seems. This courtesan in the very first episode has shown that she's good at reading man's desires and psyche and acts accordingly to survive
Sounds more like a "subjective" problem rather than an "objective" one. I really don't see any issue with focusing on the female characters for the time being. They all have their roles within the story.
Aside from the obvious "war", there's another war going on inside these characters. These internal and external wars are interconnected and influence the course of the story.
