John Cage - A Music Composing Genius or A Composed Con Artist?

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From the time capsule - 1989: John Milton Cage, Jr. (September 5, 1912 - August 12, 1992) was an American composer, music theorist, writer, philosopher, and artist. Cage was a pioneer of indeterminacy in music and non-standard use of musical instruments.
Cage is best known for his 1952 composition 4′33”, which is performed in the absence of deliberate sound; musicians who present the work do nothing aside from being present for the duration specified by the title. The content of the composition is not "four minutes and 33 seconds of silence," as is often assumed, but rather the sounds of the environment heard by the audience during performance.
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@WheezingBobcat 3 года назад

For what it is worth, I know and have met a number of people who new Cage very well. He was extremely sincere in what he was doing. You don't have to like what he was doing, but you cannot call him a con artist. He could not possibly be more clear with what he is "selling" you. He is completely open and up front about the fact that it is just sound, and there is something really powerful to that type of thinking. At the absolute minimum, it encourages you to give significantly more attention to what your auditory world sounds like, just like you have map of what your visual world looks like. You can hate it. He wasn't lying to anyone, though.

@alanheyes694 7 лет назад

Convention is often a barrier that one must overcome to acquire a true sense of unrestrained self-expression.

@MorganHayes_Composer.Pianist 3 года назад

Either love or hate his work says the glib presenter but his output is incredibly various. From very melodic ( Dream, The seasons, sonatas and interludes) to the more conceptual ( 4mins33secs).

@ericmalone3213 4 года назад

Cage's work is a great litmus test for open mindedness. If Cage had died after having composed the Sonatas & Interludes For Prepared Piano, he would have been recognized as a significant & innovative composer. Cage's work is vast & various. His published writings are superb & reward re-readings. Accusations of con artist, charlatan, fraud, &c, delineate the dogmatic attitudes and small-mindedness of the accusers. Listen to Roaratorio, look at the score, investigate the recording techniques, the origins of the sound sources, & then try to argue that Cage wasn't a remarkable composer. People who attack Cage's work are stuck in identifications and definitions of what music is supposed to be. Cage opened music up to a vast potential of possibility and futurity, unlike any other composer.

@VideoCollectables 7 месяцев назад

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@wormswithteeth 6 лет назад

Wise words from Cage. What was the telephone work?

@blue3962 4 года назад

same channel that did the guy that speaks insanely fast!!

@joelavalo 2 года назад

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@MetamorphoseostouXR 2 года назад

To be a con artist you have to get rich with what you do. This is simply not the case with Cage. As a composer he was somehow interesting in the 40s. After 1950 Cage cannot be considered a composer anymore, and I am sure he would have been offended by such a definition. After 1950 Cage became an interesting music theorist and a philosopher.

@ericmalone3213 2 года назад

"After 1950 Cage became an interesting music theorist and a philosopher." Lots of people have said this, but it isn't true. He was a composer until the day he died, & most certainly wasn't "offended" by being identified as a composer, because that's what he did, he composed music. And your definition of a con artist is also pretty silly. Lots of con artists never "get rich", they simply hustle and scrape by by conning instead of doing something legit.

@MetamorphoseostouXR 2 года назад

@@ericmalone3213 Sorry, but you're wrong. If you had read the correspondence between Cage and Boulez (published by Schott) you would know that Cage abhorred the idea of being considered a composer. I suggest you also to read what a con artist is according to the OED.

@ericmalone3213 2 года назад

@@MetamorphoseostouXR I saw Cage at The New England Conservatory not too long before he died. He was there as a composer, listening to his music being performed, & talking about being a composer. If Cage wasn't a composer after 1950, then what was he? A "music theorist" & "philosopher" who composed music? You're a Ding-A-Ling, Man. And you're also rather hilariously literal minded, if you live by dictionary definitions.

@MetamorphoseostouXR 2 года назад

@@ericmalone3213 As usual, ignorant people don't take long to get vulgar. Adieu.

@ericmalone3213 2 года назад

@@MetamorphoseostouXR Ah, the Cuckoo has popped out of the Cuckoo Clock again. Is there something "vulgar" about your being a Ding-A-Ling? What's very funny is that when I saw Cage at the New England Conservatory in 1992, during the Q&A, he was accused several times of not being a composer, but rather, a philosopher or theorist. He'd been putting up with that nonsense for decades, & had several very amusing replies. Your misreading of & projection onto the Cage-Boulez correspondence is also very amusing. And you can't substantiate your claims about Cage's "position" after 1950, because they only arise from dogma and rigid thinking. "Roaratorio" (1979), for example, isn't a composition? You're off your nut, Auld Swodge. Cage would roar with laughter at your assertions.

@jayumble8390 Год назад

If one is unaware of the Avant Guard, one has no chance of participating or understanding this conversation.

@mountainbiker8904 5 лет назад

Cage was a charlatan: execute.

@fjrjdjjjcdjjdj7282 5 лет назад

Too bad- he's already dead

@musicwatch9058 5 лет назад

not one skerric of talent or ingenuity - that's the trouble - dribble and stand back

@MrJadePinwheel 4 года назад

MusicWatch he wrote some nice traditional music early on. He could, but just wasn’t interested. I like this one ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RiXdCRAOpuY.html

@jayumble8390 Год назад

My god you are so uninformed!! Have a couple drinks my friend, you'll be ok. OMFG...