In light of the current scandal surrounding Mike Bickle and the International House of Prayer, a number of former leaders have sat down to discuss why they have had to get involved in the present situation.
Thank you brother John for always speaking out and praying for the advocates and the Jane Doe’s etc.. You’ve been a really good voice in all of this besides the advocates doing what they’re doing. I really appreciate everything you do specially your street ministry when I get my tax return I want to mail you some gloves and other things that might be needed for your street ministry. Let me know what’s needed.
@@frashrah thank you for your encouragement and supporting my street outreach. I’m actually on the street right now. God bless you and have a great day.
God bless these brave men who are SPEAKING THE TRUTH! They are bringing clarity and understanding to the ungodly and unbiblical patterns of behavior that promote and enable a system like IHOPKC.
"Ex Satanist & High Ranking African Warlock Encounters Jesus | The James Kawalya Interview " From 1:06:01 on youtube, how the Satanist church attack God's church!
Helps so much to see faces. The first-hand accounts of the prices, the pain of betrayal, the grief and empathy for victims. So tragic, but so grateful for each of you.
This is a breath of fresh air - hearing first hand -no spin, no agenda. THANK YOU!!! Oh,Papa, help us to get on the other side of this. You have way. Lead us, Papa. Bless us with repentance and deliverance. Heal us!
Covering you all daily - This is the integrity we need to see from our leaders in ALL churches. It’s heartbreaking but these videos are God’s ray of HOPE! Thank you for being obedient and for walking in courage and fear of the Lord.
If you are looking for this in leaders then I feel sorry for you. These guys are not interesting in the truth or furthering the kingdom of God. They are solely interested in their own personal gain. Righteous people don't do this. David showed us how to deal with bad leaders. And these guys aren't following that approach at all.
"Ex Satanist & High Ranking African Warlock Encounters Jesus | The James Kawalya Interview " From 1:06:01 on youtube, how the Satanist church attack God's church!
"Ex Satanist & High Ranking African Warlock Encounters Jesus | The James Kawalya Interview " From 1:06:01 on youtube, how the Satanist church attack God's church!
Thank you for sharing truth! Thank you for being who we thought you were and for standing up! Please tell the victims that we’re out here praying for them!❤
Courage and Leadership from What kind of spirit … it would do you well to check out the Chapter in Proverbs 6. I do believe you will find this SIN going on on RU-vid etc very radically confronted RIGHT THERE … in the list of the 7 Abominable, detestable 7 sins that God calls abominable … detestable ( sin He Hates) too Him. Same word used for GAY SEX !! Wake up self righteous American Church 😔🤍🕊️🔥🕊️🔥🕊️🔥🕊️‼️
I want to thank you for the way in which you have discussed this, with a heart of grief, with desire for redemption in all its forms, and without pride of opinion and partnership with the spirit of the accuser. I love Kansas City, Mike Bickle in the prayer birthed from Kansas City, and the Body of Christ at large. We need to see the ground skirmishes caused by sin and the air force attacks by the enemy of the church to defeat her. This is a global issue for the body of Christ, and I appeal to apostolic fathers- especially some from Africa who have learned to wiel their weapons well in warfare against the church - to lovingly help the church in America. We need wise global and loving fathers to being their wisdom, in love, and strategies of Heaven to the global church right now.
Wow! Just wow! This helps a lot! I suspected this type of behavior in the leadership at IHOP because I was in a similar "don't ask don't tell" church and the stories coming out jive with that type of😮 leadership style. I thank you Dean & John for your courage and what you tried to accomplish. I'm sorry for what you're going through now. Dean and John I commend you for your courageous quest to stand for righteousness, truth and healing for these abused, mishandled people. I pray God gives you and your families the strength to stand. I had a dream about IHOP last night and I believe more is going to be exposed very soon. I think it's going to get uglier.😢
I felt the Lord tell me the same thing a couple of weeks ago.. might be financial? 😱 I also felt He’s making this His business to sort this out… not that it ever wasn’t but it’s beyond human dealings and best intentions at this point.. I think.
Thank you for this. It brings so much clarity to this situation. Many of us are grieving out here over what’s happening - how did it all go so wrong? How could it all be hidden in plain site? Or hidden NOT in plain site. Predators are very skilled at covering up their tracks- and it appears that Mike Bickle is one of the best. So incredibly and colossally disappointing. SO disappointing to devastating levels. My heart grieves for these brave men who’ve had to wade through this cesspool of quicksand. God sustain them. Let Your truth prevail! Strengthen them and keep them. May the blood of Jesus protect them!
Thank you for sharing these things, putting your reputation on the line for truth, clarity, healing, and transparency. We hope the current ELT and status of these investigations will be thorough and involve a true third-party that you all agree to, but I’m not holding my breath. Praying for all the victims and you men to stay the course in your advocacy for the victims calling IHOPKC and Mike Bickle to account.
Incredible statements! Love that you guys are being so forthright and transparent! You're absolutely right, John, that the silence is just like a dysfunctional family, and I would say, at worst, cultish. Maybe to some degree, the reputation is earned. Anyway, Chuck and I always enjoyed hearing the two of you minister from the pulpit during our time at FC. Stand firm and strong!
This is so tragic my heartbreaks for all that have put their hearts and souls into IHOP all the friendships all based on the vain imaginations of one man! Thank you for putting yourselves out there and standing up for what is right, good and pure! My thoughts on IHOP is that Bickle received a false prophecy if he even received it I have my doubts because of his lying! He moves to Kansas City and then the Kansas City so called prophets are getting attention. They go around to local churches telling those people that God wants them to shut down their churches and join “Bickles church” God would never say that do you really think God would have these pastors give up their callings and hand it to another man? Our God is a Holy God! He does not speak to or anoint nor does He activate gifts to those who are in active sin. He hates sin! Then Bickle says an Angel came to him told him what to do and the 24 hr prayer and worship came to be. This is not something new pagan religions do this also. You know an angel appeared to Mohammad and an Angel appeared to Joseph Smith! Paul said “ if anyone comes preaching another gospel than what we preach even an Angel Do Not Believe Him!”Bickle teaches his own gospel! I’m sorry but IHOP was built on sinking sand because of one man’s vain imaginations! We call it a movement or community but Jim Jones, David Koresh, and Warren Jeffs all had their movements and communities. The Gospel of Jesus Christ has been lost in all this not just IHOP but many other churches also. It’s not about making trips to heaven or speaking with angels or talking to Jesus face to face! Today’s gospel has been so watered down it’s very much centered on self everyone wants some higher spiritual awareness some kind of supernatural experience with God because men like Bickle tell their stories then telling people you can have what I have then sell it in their books, CDs, enroll in my school, or take classes we will teach you all for a fee! A gift of God cannot be taught it is a gift that only God can perfect in that person. If we would just read our bibles not according to man’s teaching or any preconceived ideas but according to God which is having the Holy Spirit teach He will guide us into all truth! With all sincerity of heart ask God to take away any teaching that is not of Him He will answer! Again thank you so much Blessings
I agree 100 💯 same with 7th day Adventist thier prophet Ellen. Look at Kathrine Kelman she literally on stage looks like a witch 🧙♀️ it's all too much
That's exactly true, and I saw that from Eric Volz's very first words. Quote from Dean Briggs: "The ELT makes statements that are technically true but entirely misleading."
Thanks John and Dean for coming forward. It would not be surprising if there were hundreds of victims. Back in the 80's I was involved in a church that was taken over by a novice. What you are saying is deja vu to me. We got out just before the home-groups were tasked with carving 3-ft high chocolate statures in praise of the pastor's birthday. When you know what to look for it is easy to spot. It's all in the Bible.
I’m glad you guys are speaking up and standing strong for victims now. I don’t understand why it took so long for you to see some signs of Bickle’s cultish ways. Why did he need so many locked doors leading to his office? Why did no one recognize the ELT as his “yes” men, or worse, his henchmen?
It grieves my heart to hear these revelations. God exposes secret sin and shines the light on the darkness. "You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the Lord’s table and of the table of demons."
Thank you guys for creating this channel and going hard after justice. It breaks my heart what’s going on. It feels like no one wins really but at least truth and light gets its day. Praying for all 😭🙏
It was 1998, and I was at a Christian Conference in Dallas, Texas. As always, I arrived an hour early so that I could pray for the meeting. I sat my things on seat on the 3rd roll, and knelt on the floor the pray, when I felt a man staring at me with such lust I could not keep my focus on God. I looked up to see Mike Bickle looking at me like I was his next "meal". I sat down, as he continued to stare at me with lust. I pointed to his wedding ring, and shook me head no. He looked devastated. During the lunch break, he came to the edge of the stage and motioned for me to come close. One of the things he told me was that his wife was dying, and that God had instructed him to find another wife. I told him that if he looked at me again, I would start screaming at him so loud that everyone in the huge conference would hear me. Whew! That worked! 26 years later, I keep hearing that he said the thing about his wife dying, to draw other women into his bed.
@@joannatam6567I discussed with others who were at the conference, and had seen our conversation. None of us knew who was in charge of the conference. One of the attendees spoke to his pastor about it. But his own pastor did not know who was in charge of the conference. My own pastor had seen the ad, for the conference, in a Christian magazine that he showed to anyone he thought might be interested in going to it.
I hope you left the movement after that. Also, with his disgusting behavior going so far back, I’m sure MANY people knew but didn’t say anything. Thank you for your comment.
What a noble and caring thing you are doing to stand together in support for the truth and the JD’s. It’s what Jesus would do! I can respect leaders like you, you are truly being an example of what leading should look like. I wish I had a team like this behind me when I was fighting through my own story of CSA many years ago, it would have helped me so much, but God fought for me and gave me a husband that became a tremendous support, and helped me get through it. In that situation he has always been my hero. I started following this story closely as an outsider when I read JD’s story on the Roy’s report and heard that she was being told “his wife was going to die and he was going to marry me” I was told that too by the one that targeted and groomed me. So this part of her story really caught my attention. To be told something like this is so disgusting and confusing. I have been praying for this situation and for the advocates. One night when I was praying I heard the Lord tell me to refer back to the book of the prophet Amos and read it and that in that book I would find parallels to what was going on at IHOPKC. Amos was very big on promoting social justice and righteousness, and I believe that God’s righteousness in this scandal has to prevail over evil and wickedness! As I watched this video where you were describing the affair of MB’s son and MB being involved in some capacity with the same woman I was reminded of what I read in the book of Amos. They pushed their faces into the ground and walked on them. They stopped listening to suffering people. Fathers and sons had sexual relations with the same woman. They ruined my holy name. Amos 2:7😭😭😭
9:28pm- Wow..I was involved in and around ihopkc for years. I pray Truth continues to prevail and that these men involved and all involved for that matter.. repent. Help Lord..
Sorry, Jesus does not do this. Read Revelations chapters 2 and 3. If these guys would say what Mike Bickle did and then talk about reconciliation, then that's on the path of what Jesus would do. These guys only want to mount up accusation against IHOPKC so that people will abandon it. They desire is to destroy IHOPKC. Listen to their language. No words of reconciliation. That's not righteousness.
I think they separated Mike for another reason back in 2020 is because there is alot of money that is being shifted around that is never accounted for and grounds for imprisonment if it came to light. Just my opinion.
These dudes are after his "brand"... Bickle drives a humble car and leads a very humble life but a lot of money from his books, literature and IHOP....
@@Golden_writes550 According to what they both said…they did not know everything that was going on…they left when they found out as things were being exposed!!
Thank you for handling this with integrity. I have to be honest with you. I've followed this "prophetic move" that came through Bob Jones, Paul Cain, and the 'Kansas City Prophets' - that Mike denies... more lies. I'm 75. I saw it happen. Personally, I think these so-called 'prophetic gifts' are the worst thing that ever happened to the church. We can't tell the difference between prophecy and divination. Just like Israel of old; worshipping God in the way He has made clear was not enough. We followed the goats up to the high places; lighting our own fires. Isaiah 50:10-11. I've learned hard lessons in the name of 'intimacy with Jesus.' All I met were seducing spirits and doctrines of demons. If we had stayed within the confines of God's true Words 📖 these things would never have happened. But His Word wasn't sufficient for us. We demanded "more, Lord!" What we craved for was something else. So that's what God gave us - sending us into deep deception. 😭💔
Jesus said though if we ask the father for a fish he won't give us a snake. I find it hard to believe that God responded to calls for more of his spirit, more of his presence, more love for him and others even more spiritual gifts with giving a deception. It doesn't match the character of God revealed by Jesus.
@@gareth2736 The problem though is nowhere in scripture is the church urged to seek more "intimacy" with Jesus but rather we are to grow in faith, obedience and character revealing the fruit of the spirit. But we have been addicted to showing off the GIFTS of the spirit for popularity and admiration of leaders. John 14:21 (NET) The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him.” We have made an idol of mysticism and looked to signs and wonders to prove if God loves us or not. Jesus has become our "boyfriend" where we equate "passion for God" like falling in love which is a worldly and fleshly idea of love based on EROS not AGAPE. Satan's second temptation of Christ was a religious one using a cherry picked verse. He puts Jesus at the top of the temple (the height of religion) and says "prove you're the son of God by forcing a miracle. Do this risky behavior and see this scripture says God has to save you." He was soundly rebuked with a balancing scripture. The whole use of scripture that cherry picks and ignores the balance of scripture is demonic! Godliness with CONTENTMENT is great gain (1 Tim 6:6). But mysticism leaves you empty if you aren't already content with God's spirit in your heart. Revival is never mentioned in the NT but the great commission is: preach the gospel and teach my disciples to obey my commands and "Lo I will be with you always." (Matt 28:19-20). He is ALREADY with us always... Why are we so discontent? Because we've been told a lie that to live for God is a romance not a commitment. Ask any married couple if romance keeps them together. No the church fails at marriage just like the society because they have idolized romance over character and commitment. There is a promise of "times of refreshing" though: Acts 3:19-20 (NET) Therefore repent and turn back so that your sins may be wiped out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and so that he may send the Messiah appointed for you - that is, Jesus. We have put the cart before the horse and wonder why we aren't getting anywhere.
your comment gives food for thought indeed. well one thing I know we like to take scriptures out of context to fit what we want to see. but yeah people are too into "spirits".
She was 19 and he was in his 40s. She was an impressionable teenager, he was her pastor, her dad’s friend, a father figure, her spiritual leader. It’s betrayal in the deepest level. But that’s not why we’re here. We’re here cause he’s not truly repentant, he’s tried to cover up and manipulate his way out of this. I believe he’s still trying to win the chess game all this has become. I do think believe he’s truly out of the picture as they say
@@cristilynexpositoif you're 19 then you will be held morally accountable to the Lord on Judgment Day. Even deceived adherents of false religions won't get a pass on Judgment Day for believing falsehoods
@@kevinevans8892The bible talks about forgiveness for things we did in our youth. You did not have the wisdom at 19 that you do now. Be careful about judging someone to this degree.
Guys our personal beliefs may vastly differ on a lot of issues at this point in our lives. But I very much appreciate you and what you’re doing here. This is right and good. Jonathan Pollard
Hey Jonathan, hope you are doing well. Kinda surprising to see you here but this is Quaid from Alabama. We used to go to The Ark together if you remember. May God continue to expose the wickedness in the Church and may the victims find healing in Jesus' name.
Thank you to the men and women in the previous clip for standing up for the truth, for the courage to speak up, to care, the openness and love and stand in reality. Mostly standing up for the victims. It restored some hope in my heart. Sadly this is much bigger then the victims and i am sure it is unspeakable pain, confusion and grief for them. It’s about power…Sadly many of us putting some leaders which are charismatic on god like pedestal and give our internal discernment up and others protect them, Some with good intent, others because we want to be “good” and hope to receive a “blessing”. Some because they want power. Sunshine and light brings clarity and healing. Jesus said he came to set the captives free. He said the truth will set us free. He came to forgive sin. He said he came NOT to judge, but to save…. Why are we so afraid to be honest in church some environments, that’s my honest question?
"Ex Satanist & High Ranking African Warlock Encounters Jesus | The James Kawalya Interview " From 1:06:01 on youtube, how the Satanist church attack God's church!
How did the ELT miss the double life and hypocrisy of Bickle for two decades? The victims tell a different story of how useless the ELT members were in addressing this issue.
😢 This hurts. And, I don’t use that word lightly. I am so glad that I am nowhere near the middle of this nightmare. And, I will continue to pray for IHOPKC, for the church family, for wisdom in those researching/advocating, and most, especially for those women, men and family destroyed, through so much secrecy and habitual sexual sin… heartbreaking… 🙏🏽🙏🏽💔💔
One thing this current IHOP drama reveals is the lack of Holy Spirit led 'leadership' on any level. All of these folk that were 'deceived' by Bickle would likely claim to be mature, Spirit led Christians. Since the Holy Spirit is in fact HOLY He would not be present in this 'work'. So how come all of the 'leaders' are so unfamiliar with the Holy Spirit they couildn't tell what was going on at IHOP? Short answer they are like the believers in the church at Laodicea who think they have it all together, yet are blind, wretched and naked. This whole drama is as much a condemnation on what is passing for mature Christianity as it is on Bickle or Jane or any of the other players in this bit of theatre. For all of the 'fame' around IHOP, 24 hr prayer performances and all, what have they actually DONE? They clearly are not producing mature, discerning believers who are doing the work of ministry, as Eph4:12 commands, nor the type of service 1Cor. 14:26 commands..
Exactly... they all missed the mark and look like a clown show. It is so ridiculous. Confront the sin. Correct it. And move on... get the folks who are supposed be out, OUT. But this is why non-believers mock us...
This is classic 'BROTHERHOOD' behavior both outside the church and inside the church. It doesn't help that they take OATHS to protect one another and cover up one another's sin. The Brotherhood aka wolves in sheep's clothing are being exposed within the church (Matt 13:36-43receive
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. And that means ALL
Where is the simply language and character of Christ likeness here. When I was there at the dedication of IHOP in the beginning. People came to write scripture on the floor before the new carpet was laid. I was lead to write boldly before each of the front doors Isaiah 66 v 2. “These are the ones I look upon those of a humble and contrite spirit who tremble at my WORD.” Also let’s look at 2 Corinthians 7 v1. “ Let us cleanse ourselves of all defilement of flesh and spirit perfecting HOLINESS in the FEAR of the LORD!!!!
These men are heroes of the faith! They will not stand with corruption and ongoing sin in leadership, bless these leaders and all the good courageous leaders past and present at IHOPKC who will hold evil intentions of men accountable! Can you put your dreams on social media please? We need to hear what God said and warned!
wow. tip of the iceberg is what i heard in spring 2023 relating to a separate issue involving sexual misconduct of a leader and clergy abuse in oklahoma. it was if i heard it audibly in my right ear. it was weighty and serious. at the time i didn't know if it was just related to my personal situation OR a systemic problem in the body of Christ. i now know it was both.
These vids make me grateful that I quit going to and being any part of all gatherings and clusters that would have ANY "Spiritual Father". Very thankful for the exodus out of system. One that I know for certain, I'll never go back to. I guess I watched the AG vids cuz I was around this crap years and years. I rather go golfing on Sundays with heathens. Love to all 🙂
Whatever happened to discernment? Did the leader's not have the Spirit of God? Especially being so closed to Bickle. You never know the secret life of a man. But thank God for the Holy Spirit. He will show you something is wrong. THISS INFO SHOULD HAVE COME OUT YEARS AGO...
but that's why I think it was a cultish place... how could a man watch his wife have an affair for years and still be in the same place as those people. that's more scary than anything.
True Prophecy from God is both foretelling and forthtelling (truth telling). With all of IHOP’s emphasis on “prophecy” how can it be that they never received a true prophecy from God of the evil in their midst? Did God forget to send the message, or was the leadership so focused on using prophecy to build the enterprise that they were not open to hearing truth from God? This what happens when “leaders” serve a master other than God!
The last 20 minutes reminded me of Psalms 55;13 Leadership is a very big responsibility. But getting burned by someone you love and trust, can be almost unbearable. Bringing out truth at right times are important, and could even be life saving.
There is too much tolerance in churches without church discipline. Glad and it’s refreshing to see some churches take a sinful lifestyle seriously enough to confront it.
I agree, however, the method of church discipline is just as important as the discipline itself. God won’t tolerate what is going on in this video. See my comment just under yours (when comments are sorted “Newest”).
“They” (the guilty) All Read The Same Playbook!! My story is exact he same affect/effect/blame/accusation/smear campaign/gaslighting/dismissal/deny/excuses/no resolve/ignore/isolate IT plays out the exact same way! It’s criminal It’s demonic It’s traumatizing It’s S I N! I’m triggered and nauseous 🤢 BUT GOD ❤️🕊️🙏 He rejoices in The Truth! I stand with HIM!
I understand that this is a tremendously painful ordeal for IHOPKC. And I have to believe that you have the best of intentions. And I agree that sin, especially when it's an existential threat to a local church, needs to be exposed. But publicly? None of the steps laid out in Matthew 18:15-20 involve publishing conversations like this for potentially millions of people to see. To me, this publicly played out turmoil has taken on a life of its own that might be as damaging as the problems that started the whole mess. I will stand corrected if someone can explain to me a Biblical basis for this video and how it benefits the Church of Christ. I'm on the East Coast and have no connection to IHOPKC except as a frequent listener to your worship bands.
You are correct, and to see the biblical support for your correctness, see my comment just two down from yours (when these comments are sorted on “Newest”). However, be prepared to face a bit of disillusionment. Yes, pastors should know better, but they are humans too. None of us humans know everything. That is why we need to be Bereans for our pastors. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the only source of 100% pure truth. When we allow our pastors to preach anything that feels good, we become part of the problem.
I agree, these men were leaders in the church. Their primary job is to protect the church, not the pastor. Why did they resign? Why didn’t they stick through like the rest of the congregation? Because they’re trying to protect their reputations as much as Pastor Bickle is. Everybody cares about themselves, nobody cares about the flock. It’s very easy to get on a conversation and “clear the air”.
”“Yet you ask, ‘Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.“ Ezekiel 18:19-20 NIV This is what I found on the Word regarding sins of fathers and sons .
I'm glad to hear John speak. Would have loved to hear him speak much more or in his own video. A church shouldn't be under a parachuch org. A healthy board of elders is so important. We came in mid 2019 and never had any idea all of this was going on. It's sad. Was Mike's son still a part of or member of the church? Then Matt 18 should have been in play. However, if a church is going to do this, the whole body needs to submit to it. I have never been a part of a church that does it correctly. But it's biblical, and I wholeheartedly agree with that. Mike has stepped down. To John's point, why, at this time, is this the public's business? I ask this questions, sincerely.
Exactly, let’s start with the fact that Paul Cain, Bob Jones, and Mike Bickle have promoted false words, hunches, dreams, visions, and prophesies for YEARS. This prayer movement was built on the foundation of something calls detestable…Deuteronomy 18:20-22. Thankfully the judgement for false prophets isn’t death like in the Old Testament, but the standard IS THE SAME! God doesn’t build movements on the foundation of lies.
I find it remarkable that these people almost never mention sin or reference the scriptures. It's very clear to me that Mike Bickle is wicked and should never stand in the pulpit again.
Not true !!! Like I said bern you know Nothing about Mike Bickle. I’m not saying he hasn’t failed. But, do you know there are more failures sexually in Para-church ministries because it’s format is Community Living. Never known a Community Living Ministry without this failure. Did you know all of this right here is from the Wrong Spirit. But, the God of ALL Creation has HIS Eyes on the Earth, going to and fro across the Globe looking for a Man whose heart is totally His. Do you know that scripture friend. My last declaration. And this goes for ALL of Us… “If God be for YOU ( Mike Bickle) WHO CAN BE AGAINST YOU “. Do you know this scripture ??? Bern … and speaking of SIN … have you ever read Proverbs 6 … where is clearly says, those who are divisive and try to destroy HIS Church are called Abominable because of the way God views their trouble - making. So what spirit is this. I know one thing for certain. It’s not from a Holy God not is it from The Holy Spirit. 🔥🕊🔥🕊🔥🕊🔥🕊🔥🕊🔥🕊🔥🕊‼️
Man, I kinda grew up with Luke and Paul at MCF and they were rascals. This testimony of which one was in the affair is not surprising though heartbreaking. SMH
As I've listened to so many interviews surrounding this I come back to the same reality that no one wants to speak the word of abuse. Both gentlemen in this interview use the terminology of isolation regarding Mike and those victims. Abusers typically use as one of their tools isolating the victim, so that the victim has no true voice to protect themselves from deception.
