John Grinder and Richard Bandler together eventually will be recognised as true catalysts of reforming our understanding of how we all individually have the tools to transform our selves and that the illusion spoke about in terms of maya really exists inside each of us which we have complete control of therefore what they both initially have brilliantly formatted is a way that anyone regardless of any belief can use use to transform and navigate there way to a true understanding of what and who they truly are. True pioneers and amazing human beings that we will all be so thankful for in the not to far future.
Thank you I was always baffled by actually what the Unconscious Mind was It’s always there but we are not aware of it until we become aware so Awareness is the Key
I really enjoy this talk! His speech is engaging. Those that are negative perhaps could be more open to learning. It amazes me how people 'poo poo' something they know nothing about. It's almost as if to disguise their ignorance.
This guy is remarkably clever - not all of it sunk in for me however the general premise of it which I like and makes a lot of sense. The problem as I see it is having the time to identify the positive intention behind the SOS when going about your everyday business and then being able to coordinate your activity and maintain congruency! Anyone any ideas on this?
@CalumnMcAulay What you're asking might be about having a deeper congruency. In other words, what's your priority? We'd better learn to take time for what will really make a difference at the end of the road... One day one step.
I don't mean to sound rude by this and openly admit I may need to improve my vocabulary but I really struggled to make sense of what John is talking about. How do we achieve this congruency.
i realize this is a comment from two years ago, but i dont think you missed anything. he only discussed the two major modes of thought -conscious/unconscious, and that considering them as two different modes is for our own ease of considering them. from there he discussed that the people we marvel over have been able to coordinate between the two modes to keep their pursuits on track for hat they seek to achieve -they reach a state of grace by successfully beckoning the unconscious from conscious and vice versus. he didnt really discuss how. he just gave background and discussed why this is something we should be interested in seeking .
While on the surface of it his vocabulary gives the impression of knowledge his syntax is still lacking even to the point of excluding himself in his definition of charismatic. Classic!
Anyways, the reason I was asking about your prior statements was because you had a strong response to Grinder's comments. Would you concede that if people don't "go to church to have feelings" that perhaps they choose to go because they feel things? Like perhaps the hunger or desire you mentioned in your above comments.
I'm not an Atheist I'm just trying to figure out what's going on internally that lets a follower know that pursuing the path you described is something that is interest.
I take that back. Everything John Grinder speaks of is congruent with the likes of peoples lifestyles and should be reviewed carefully if you have never studied NLP or studies of the mind!
I'm not sure "circumcised" was the word you were looking for but it's a moot point. I'm curious though, you said a true believer hungers for the word of god. I'm assuming it's not literally a hunger you are referring to. Is this an analogy for something else?
So if what he is saying is true, and we are comprised of both conscious and the unconscious, and these two energies are indeed incommensurable, how is it that we are so quick to dismiss the existence of energies which exist in the realm of the unconscious? This, to me, proves that we can not rule out the possibilities of "other forces" being at work in the world; we're simply not conscious of those forces at all times. Is this or is this not one possible implication of these teachings?
If you are a child in Christ the word "circumcised" would completely make sense to you. When I refer to hunger I mean an unrelenting desire to know God and to seek Him through faith and obedience. So what do you believe in?
I was baptized Catholic but I don't exactly attend church religiously. The reason I asked about the word circumcised is because to the best of my knowledge the only people who do that in a spiritual context are not Christian. Last time I checked it was Jews, and Muslims that removed their foreskins for religious purposes.
Internally, you're heart is circumsized, your eyes see the truth and you repent for your sins and you acknowledge that you are a sinner and only a hunger for the Word of Jesus Christ can bring salvation. Internally, a true believer in Christ hungers for the word of God to grow as a child in Christ. I'm glad to hear that you aren't an Atheist.
I know you're out there...I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid. You're afraid of us, you're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end, I came here to tell you how this is going to begin. Now, I'm going to tweet/post, and I'm going to show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you, a world without rules and controls, without borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible
This has nothing to do with religion, John used it as an example how people can excess these feelings, just look at cheer leaders at American football matches some of them end up dancing on sprained or bleeding feet and are only aware of this when the state shifts back to normal reality. Well explained John Dr Debbie M Flett PhD Psy
isn't it interesting that the so called "primitive" religions use the body and rituals to get to the spirit life and really all of Christianity is based on vicarious participation in Christs' passion and suffering. Also the whole thing is based on symbolic representations... hard to explain what I am trying to say here but this really made me think about this stuff. I consider my "guru" these days to be Joe Campbell on this stuff. The Structure of Magic Part 1 is incredible too!!
If people hunger for God's word and want salvation they will find it. They may, sometimes, need to go to a three or four churches before they find a church that works for them. In the book of Romans it says, "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing comes by the word of God!" I'm assuming you're an atheist.
The conscious mind (aka matrix of the mind), the unconscious (aka potentiator of the mind) absolutely exist -- nice try John -- and so do other things such as "catalyst" and "transformation" and "significance". Ever heard of the archetypal mind of the cosmos? It's essentially ubiquitous from star system to star system. So anyway, John is wrong about that. Which brings me to this point: Why learn from humans if you can -- literally -- learn from more intelligent so-called enlightened extra terrestrials beings far more advanced who share the same loving will to serve in unifying all creation? I have just outlined the Future. Stop your smirking and google the Ra Material for details. I think you'll be glad you did. I don't know if John has read it, but he'd be a fool not to.
My god, he is so verbose and speaks in so many sentence breaks that it becomes vague whether he is referring to the subject or direct object in his sentences - he's trying too hard to sound smart...he speaks in run-on sentences. He's basically saying that when someone is having conflicting emotions, (the subconscious is based on subjective emotions and not objectivity) their negative symptoms will show up in their bodies and movements. One can help to fix these conflicting emotions by focusing on creating congruency in movement and thought. Movements and thoughts can be manipulated by an NLP "master" through various techniques to create harmony for a conflicted and incongruent person, and lead them to become a charismatic person, since their conscious and subconscious can be coordinated and realigned in the same direction.
