John J. Mearsheimer: How State Think About the Rationality of Foreign Policy 

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This is a dream interview having BOTH Professor Mearsheimer and Professor Sachs on one Show! 🌟

Two great minds in one video.

My two favorite people in USA...may God keep you guys we still want to learn from your school of thought Tseke from South Africa

Thank God for men like Sachs and Mearsheimer! 🫡🙏🏼

John's success in geopolitics predictions and popularity among viewers are tied to his great expertise, independance rationnality in this field but also to his his capacity to maintain his position over time. I would add a vaillant Man with conviction and sense of honour.

Two powerhouses of intelligence. I love listening you both. ❤

These two minds together in an interview are a present for all us who want to understand the world we live in. Thank you!

This is much more entertaining than having Piers Morgan interview either of them

Great interview with two intellectual giants

Shared on X. John's input aligns with my own since 2008 and my posts on social media since, especially since the US overthrow of the elected government in Ukraine.

Thank you both for your rational and independent thinking.

Prof. Mearsheimer is our national treasure!

Please have more on this sir. May I suggest inviting great thinkers from the global south too, for an even more complete experience. Kishore and George Yeo comes to mind. Thanks

Thank you Gentlemen

Two mental giants who are willing to accept that they don’t always agree.

Excellent discussion. Thank you.

Intelligent people, logical arguments and a great two intellectuals to listen to

Listings to this conversation, and the findings of the book is really cathartic, I hate that it's the case, but having it being proven and researched is vindicating somehow 😅

Two intellectual giants

Thank you for a great discussion.

Thank you, for share a bit of your knowledge, highly appreciated, hope more people start listening

Thank you very very much for this long conversation: it was so enlightening! Thank you for your engagement in spreading rationality and common sense, we need your wise words.

Both of you are the most intelligent people I’ve seen in the world

My favourite people, thank you, always enjoying discussion and amazed by yours knowledge.

Jeffrey Sachs for SecState Sachs = Facts

It is very fascinating to watch the interview of those great thinkers whom i used to quote throughout my dissertation research.

Really enjoyed the conversation btw the two brilliant minds❤

What an informed discussion! If only these Washington leaders would listen😮As this is the EXACT Indian position, seems we are on a good wicker along with other middle powers like Brazil Indonesia Sourh Africa Saudi😊

I am currently reading "How to Hide an Empire" by Daniel Immerwahr which is an eye opening treatise on US misdeeds throughout the world beginning with the 19th century and earlier as well. Makes Putin seem like a saint today;

Things you don't hear on the corporate media

Great!

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M A G A needs to get educated about the drivers of the current US-Russian conflict/war.

I was waiting for this one.

Those two are the best! 💌

The US conceived of Ukraine as an Afghanistan like trap for Russia, explains Johnson's intervention.

Thank you for the conversation. Was it rational for the USA to pursue Ukraine’s NATO membership?

You didn’t give him the last world but great discussion

thanks for your efforts

Many didn't even read Wikileaks because they were instructed it was illegal. Talk about gullible.

At the beginning of the 90ties I lived in Poland and I remember hesitance of the Western Powers to accept Poland into NATO. Poland wanted to join straight after the first free election in 1989. But Western Powers initially refused. They were too afraid of the consequences and they offered "Partnership for Peace" - which was some military cooperation without formal obligation to defend in case of aggression. Now this was viewed in Poland as yet another betrayal by Western Powers. It was viewed like another Jalta (In 1945 US effectively gave Poland to Stalin). I wonder if decision to expand NATO was at least partially due to this pressure. Poland may be a small country, but there at 9 mln Poles in the US and they make 10% of voters. Thank you for the great interview.

Two minds in love 😊. I do not think this is new, I watched it before!

The two greats

omg the two heroes in one video!!!

The rationality of the decisions are originally sound. The problem is the process, the way Russians were treated within Ukraine would lead to thinking that Russians in general are being targeted.

This is the academic version of watch the throne.

Is this what it was like when the Superfriends assembled at the Hall of Justice?

Here are 2 true foreign policy experts! No political bend. All just in your face factual info. Neither is pro trump or pro Democrat. The way most of us wish to consume information on world affairs

How can the government afford to ignore what these great minds are saying?

John, your poster is flipped.

Totally agreed sir 🙏

Those in Mental Health field operationally define LOVE as the ability to SUPPRESS CRITICAL JUDGEMENT. WISHFUL THINKING COMES CLOSE TO WHAT IS DISCUSSED HRRE. THAT'S WHY RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE ARE ALARMED WHEN WISHFUL THINKING DISPLACES RATIONAL THINKING. THIS WORLD CANNOT AFFORD WISHFUL THINKING.

I think the field of IR would benefit greatly from Mearsheimer reading Heidegger’s Age of the World Picture

How to find the William Barnes memo, that these two are talking about?

Respected Professors, Law of Nature, never change with respect to time. Life is Finite. Both principles follow in the Rise and Fall of nations. Alexander, Pharoun, and long list till Hitler follow the same rules and patterns. We humans thinks/ believes make us that we can change these patterns. Life cycle of products follow the same pattern. Rise of any other state is natural. The attitude/ mindset in Power Corridors is identical. To remain for longer periods is totally dependent upon Rulers Morale and Ethical Values. Rulers always wanted to change the Morale/ Ethical Values others instead of themselves. In last 500 years, Dutch, Belgium, French,Portugal, British passed away and after 2nd World War 1945, similar patterns will follow.

I don't think you need to assume rational states to make coherent foreign policy, you just have to be observant and figure out how they are irrational.

Didn’t Gorbachev get an agreement that NATO wouldn’t move East?

Two stalwarts of modernism in IR trying to make sense of a postmodern international system. We can hardly analyze the individual as a rational actor anymore, let alone try to apply it to states. Enjoy hearing two greats of the field try to make sense of the changing world picture though

States are amoral, meaning neither "moral" nor "immoral." Individuals are "moral" or "immoral" but sadly, in large ingroups, the groupthink becomes self-centred, based on own interests. The "gardens" (Borrell) who think they the deserve the gardens, and therefore all other groups become "jungles" in their collective mind, to be kept down in power.

Not just the Iraq war was pretectual. Every war we ever had.

The best

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OR- When those in charge of US Government fail to THIINK and resort to WISHFUL--THINKING instead !

Are the US and Israel currently acting rationally?

The move from rationality to irrationality is why states collapse. Another point. As cheap fossil fuels wind down, the underpinnings of the modern states collapse. This means a return to less complex social organization. Bands, tribes, chiefdoms.

But domestic politics does matter for population \consumer control. That is it's only function today. And it is largely contrived manipulation and con artistry and dare I say teamwork and cooperation. It's the name of the game. Partnership between the two parties.

States can only be considered “rational” within a fundamentally irrational context. States by the way, are scaled-up expressions of self-interested human tribalism, which reproduces a narrow spectrum of components and behaviors. There is no over-determinism, and no need for theoretical factionalism, because there is extremely understandable biological determinism, despite this reality providing cognitive dissonance for “Homo tribalis” egregious species exceptionalism. Meanwhile, that “irrational context” identifies the self-interested state functioning in regressive supremacist exceptionalistic in-group abstraction from the systems-based consequences of inflicting endless power struggle conflict, endless abuse of populations foreign and domestic, existential environmental abuse, and imminent self-inflicted extinction. Individuals are no better, where human state of nature is determined by a taxonomy of tribal instincts with authoritarian characteristics. In addition, those “small groups of decision-making elites” always represent the vanguard of supremacist exceptionalistic tribal (state) in-group identity, and always exhibit Authoritarian characteristics that irrationally double-down on winning is everything, believing they can win any fight, and preferring mutually assured destruction to suffering defeat. The Enlightenment philosophy and liberal ideology assertion of tabula rasa individualism were wrong, regardless of the too-big-to-fail Western edifice erected upon the exploitation of individualism. An anarchistic environment presents a choice to humanity, and humanity always chooses to reproduce the instinctive tribal Paleo-regressive zero-sum game, instead of the cognitive-based intellectualism of cooperation and sustainability.

What channel was this on?

Призрак коммунизма реет над миром, это факт.

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The premise is all wrong. Just as an AI machine does not "think" nor does "a state". Human beings (with souls, whatever they are, I have no clue) are what _think._ So the concept of 'rationality' applied to 'a state' is nonsense, it is inapplicable. A state has no soul. What you should analyze is *_how people who form the core of state power collectively arrive at decisions that statistically can be predicted to some precision beyond random chance, and what can then be characterized and usefully forecast given some current geopolitical configuration or perturbation._* I know that's a mouthful, but it's a cheat to try to simplify that long statement into an athropomorphized spirit that does not exist.

It seems not only Russia reaches its culminating point in Ukraine. The fact Mearsheimer and Sachs are now alone in an interview is the equivalent of culmination.

Can immoral actions be rational ? Are all rational actions ipso facto rational? - esp in context of Putin & his analogue Nazinyahu.

Suppose Russia attacked in 2022 because of NATO expansion. How does conquering south-east Ukraine help Russia with that?

There's definitely more irrationality among voters of democratic states 😅

It’s how Mearsheimer thinks! Not truly how States think nor act 😂

Oh good, the dynamic duo is at it again - full on Kremlin parrot mode...

This video stinks of useful idiocy