John Lennox on the Transhumanist Claim AI Will Turn Humans into Gods 

Professor Lennox is a treasure

Age has had no impact on the IQ of this guru!!! Great articulation

John Lennox has wonderful insights and great wisdom. He explains complex ideas with a great deal of common sense and sometimes humor. God always outsmarts both critics and the devil.

The problem with having the knowledge of good and evil is one can then choose which he prefers, some will choose evil and we all get to suffer its consequences.

back around 2000 I ran a BBS as a teen and wrote a few chat programs for people if no was in a room. The system then was already in the software to do this, it could read what someone typed and you could make a response for your AI character to respond. I made it easy using a couple well known characters at the time, like Spock and Beavis. There were 3 others, but forget what characters I did. You could also read the chat logs for them to help you fine tune them. You would be surprised how many people went into chat rooms thinking they were talking to a real person. (As far as turing test)

Amazing interview sir. It's nice to see someone that knows what they're talking about.

💗 The level of dexterity demonstrated by philosophical insight, sensitivity, and tact of this man; are astounding. His reasoning leaving all without excuse before God and man. 🧠 Can A.i do that? 🕳

Yay! I love the audible question with the text! Oh yeah....and I Love John Lennox✨️👍 Thanks💚

I agree with Matt West: Professor Lenox is a treasure. ...and speaking of immortality... Revelation 9:6 In those days, people will seek death but not find it, they will long to die but death will flee from them.

21:20 "we're going to solve the technological problem of death" Lennox - "you're to late". Damn. Lennox is fire. 🔥🔥❤❤❤

I do know one very important aspect of consciousness and that is that consciousness is co-eternal with God. Our individual consciousness or intelligence is eternal and is the core of our beings and our begetting as children of Father in Heaven.

The thing that terrifies me with the thought of "mind upload" or "mind backup" is the fact that it would not include your soul/spirit, so what you would end up with in the end is not a continuation of yourself, but rather a dead/unconscious copy of your person at the time of death. To everyone around this entity it would appear to be you, but it's not, it's a dead copy of you, an idol of yourself if you will. This idol would pass the turing test so to speak, and appear to be you to the people around it, your consiusnes wouldn't be it it.

AI can't change it's mind. I doesn't have one and never will. Maranatha.

Take note that if one does not even know the biblical prophecies then how can one ever recognize if and when they are taking place? In this case ignorance is not your friend.

John Lennox is a great man. Thanks for The Upload.

Very insightful discussion.

Fabulous. I'm going to listen to the second half again. Profound lessons.

Well said? These are questions we must address immediately

Being a bio/engineer I think that until we can build a living cell we'll never be able to build a Mind let alone download a person's mind into a computer. At best we may be able to build a copy of memories, but never an original mind with emotions. We cannot program real emotions, only a phony copy of how to act angry, but not actually BE angry. How would you program desire into a machine? Only can program something that looks like desire. We cannot even resuscitate a dead alga cell, but we are taught the material of the primeval Earth created life all by itself under a rock in a tide pool or in a deep sea vent with reams of evidence against it. There is zero evidence that life can form through any natural process, there is also zero evidence that we can build life in a laboratory. Some claim they have, but not yet if you read their papers.

I find it funny that those that are at the leading edge of artificial intelligence dont know what bathroom to use.

Why do you think we're still in a pandemic?

So many things are wrong about A.I. discussions. First, and most importantly, we have to recognize the role of hubris in these speculations. It's hubris for man to think that he can create something he doesn't understand and can't define. The fact is that we are not particularly intelligent creatures. Our language is limited and insufficient to convey the most common and basic experiences. For example, we do not possess the ability to verbally communicate smells or sounds. Think about taking your car to the mechanic and trying to tell him what noise it's making. We do not have the ability to communicate vast swathes of experiential information, because we do not have the capacity to comprehend and retain a vocabulary sufficient to our need. Imagine the arrogance required to think that a programmer will be able to create an artificial mind. In order to create a machine to perform a task, one of the prerequisites is having a person who knows how to perform the task. That person must then also be able to either build the machine, or be able to communicate his requirements to someone who can figure out how to build it. With "A.I." it has definitely been demonstrated that none of the prerequisites have been met. Our most basic attempts to prove the concept have failed. For decades we have been trying to develop working auto-correct for typing. How often do we all experience an auto-correct failure? Self driving cars are a fantasy. As a society are not able to correct traffic congestion, not able to design legible street signs, or build efficient merging ramps. These are the most basic issues and we are not smart enough to solve them, yet we think we can tell a machine how to drive? Yeah... kay... As for facial recognition? Get out of here with that noise. Each of us has experienced mistaken identity. We've all walked up to a stranger and started talking to them because we failed at facial recognition. And do I need to point out that Google's "A. I." mislabeled people as gorillas? The fact is that A.I. is a scifi pipe dream. Sensible people can recognize that an HR manager is utterly unqualified to hire someone for a job if the HR manager doesn't understand the job. The same reasoning holds for making A.I. No programmer is going to be able to build a mind, because no programmer is smart enough to understand what intelligence IS, let alone smart enough to build a silicon brain. We all KNOW this is true. We all are forced to deal with the inadequacies of programmers daily. None of our technology lives up to the sales pitch.

Love and appreciate all the brothers and sisters of Discovery Institute.

Not what I expected. Glad I watched all the way to the end.

Worth watching to the end. Very interesting

I like John Lennox. I'm surprised more christians I know don't know him

I haven't seen Larry Bud Melman for years, this is awesome!

How do we know whether the new "speeds" associated with ai, that were built a short time before everyone got sick, weren't part of instigating the issues with our health given current research..and given the first version of this sickness came out around the release of the "3rd" speed.. and another ailment right around the 4th (the swine of their rehearsal)...why haven't we pursued an investigation regarding this?

Thanks, Prof Lennox. 🥰 God bless you!

teach us DR.Lennox.

Thank you John for courage.

John Lennox 💞💯🔥

A computer does NOT understand what it is doing. A human being does. Ask a computer and it will give the correct answer till it runs out of powe; ask a child his name repeatedly and maybe for 5 or 6th time he gave you his name, he will stop or will just ignore you.

such a smart individual. love his book seven days that divide the world.

Lennox 🏆

Ai is eating the apple all over again

the question, 'what is a human being?', is only raised (as in the film 'Blade Runner', based on the Philip K. Dick novella 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?'), when the natural human knowledge of what a human being per se is, had been jettisoned or forgotten, and then we compare the 'human' and the 'human condition' to machines, AI/cyborg type, or clone type as in Blade Runner. But if we start from our intuition, raised to a higher level by revealed wisdom of the book of Genesis, we see that a spiritual creation in a human body, making a 'living soul' is the answer we are looking for, so long as we are not dead set on throwing away the answer we started with. And narrow AI used to be more usefully called 'expert systems', a much better term.

I would consider Adam to be the Mark 1 model, Eve the Mark 1b, and all antediluvian descendants Mark 1c models. Post Flood models being Mark 2 until the industrial revolution Mark 3 models. The internet age models being Mark 4 models.

could someone spell the name he mentioned at 709

It's logical that anyone stuck in the materialist world view will think in this way, because there is no alternative and therefore, one can almost sympathise with it. I think it probably has something to do with wealth, some of these people are just too rich to die in their eyes.

Just because there is a multiplication table in my office, it doesn't mean a design for a car will come out of it. Other human inputs are required. Like machines, AI can only do away with mental drudgery. That is all.

Do you think that the NASA Space Program could be compared to the Tower of Babel or man attempts to reach or become God

The weakness (failure) in AI is it’s reliance on data - that which has already occurred and been recorded. AI cannot function in a ‘green fields’ scenario- where it encounters new information for the first time. Use machines for that which they were designed. Allow humans to operate according to their unique irreplaceable talents. But do not attempt to have humans operate as machines or machines as humans.

He's an amazing inspiration, his books, videos and presentations are brilliantly helpful and informative.

I thank God for rising John Lennox in my generation. Intelligence, wisdom belong to God. Christians should shine with both.

A stronger Turing test.. When interaction with a known AI causes you to question your own humanity.

Always good to hear John’s thoughts. If memory serves there was an original Star Trek episode where Dr Roger Corby uploaded his humanity/consciousness into a mechanical body. The writers of that episode were quite prescient.

Like everything will experience entropy... even the very matter that would build A.I.. So regardless of the computing power of A.I., errors can be introduced into its logic, simply because of the potential degradation of silicon chips, metal, etc. The plausibility of A.I. and a vast, growing "self-induced" network(ing) of A.I. along with any kind of "self preservation" logic embedded into it's code has implications that are mind-boggling. There are times that it is entirely "logical" to destroy or kill people and such "thoughts" are only held in check by our humanity and "unprogrammable" value systems. It is these non-programmable aspects in humanity that have probably kept us from devouring one another, many times over. I am afraid for our future.

Only one God creator of all things seen and unseen.

Can anyone tell me if there is a technical term for when a group follow an ideology that is unconsciously propagating a different agenda from its own ?

How do we humans know that we are conscious? We don’t. Therefore, we don’t know if the ant is conscious or the neural network of a robot. Yes. Some robots now have a neural network. If they are programmed to believe they are conscious, how can we argue? Are we humans programmed to believe we are conscious? Again, we don’t know.

Sam Altman of openAI wrote two books on destroying family values.

I have little doubt that what this man is talking about is exactly what took place before the flood of Noah. What do you think?

Surely the training dataset would have both diseased and non-diseased cases?

Thank god for John Lennox every Christian needs to follow this lead

Nothing increases evil more then arrogant pride. When people strive for any form of power they automatically become "better " than everybody else and treat others the exact way that they Don't want to be treated!

Love this discussion John and this site. One BIG and interesting point is that HE, 'who knows the beginning from the end', will never allow this abomination to happen. God, through Jesus created the world and all that is in it. Many don't believe this, having been mislead from earliest childhood or never having has access to the information.. I am not afraid of such a future. God's three P's are clearly in evidence. Purity, Precision, Perfection. His words, written down by human hand, has been preserved throughout human history, giving us all the information we need. From the beginning to the end. So we are not left in ignorance, anxiety, fear and confusion. The Amazing perfection of fertilization everywhere, growing into every life form assigned by the information contained in each successful fertilisation. (A few have a different process!). The precision of the timeline is equally awesome as predicted. I couldn't quite see it 6-8 years ago, but to my present delight, as well as my frustrated confusion initially, the timing is increasingly 'on time'. The confusion of this present day; the decay of morals and integrity within the human race, especially in those people and institutions, which we should be able to trust, has grown especially rapidly since the beginning of the new century. Knowledge too has grown as you have so eloquently described. The Frankenstein monster is already within our midst unfortunately and in more ways than the one in this discussion, but to the extent that the science fiction books read so long ago, are becoming a factual possibility today. Think of the TV series Star Trek and "Beam me up Scotty!" ...............

A Transhuman is anyone who doesn’t identify as a child of God. If you don’t believe in God, you naturally worship either self, which is just yourself plus an imitation of the culmination of personal experiences, real or imaginary, or other which is self plus imitation of specific other. If you aren’t worshiping God, you’re transhuman. Human would be self imitating God.

7:30 8:45

There is no death actually, besides ego death. But that's not a death of self-awareness. I AM the way

Organic computers.

The arrogance of mankind

Before AI turns humans to Gods, it will turn you first into Brazilian Turtle...

Everything he said is brilliant, except the last statement about a "future superman." That's dispensationalism, sadly.

Why did they have AI asking him the questions…creepy, lol.

J😊hn, what “problems” precisely is “AI solving”…??

if humans were really smart they would stop destroying everything

I could absolutely see John Lennox is fully equipped and prepared with Holy Bible ❤ Jesus loves you so much 👍👍

I generally appreciate and really love the stuff DS is doing. But there are still "scientific" dogmas that DS is supporting. It's not easy going out of the main stream that's understandable but on the other hand if we continue supporting lies the problem will become so big that it will be impossible to overcome it. It is possible that it's already too late. Time will tell...

Great mathematics professor and even greater philosopher. His cristianism beliefs made him seek for the truth. God bless him.

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GOD I CHOSE U

Only one God and it AIN'T the devil and AIN'T any of us and sure AIN'T something that has no soul..

i've read some of John Lennox' books. He is a wise and compassionate and humble man of faith. All that and more shines through in this interview.

This guy is like the Apple M2 Max chip and I am still running DOS on Windows 95! Sadly, all I know are my limitations 😅 Error 404

I would love to hear him speak specifically on CERN and the goat parade they put on. This prayer is wonderful; try repeating it especially while mixing up the order of the lines until it feels best for you. Please forgive me I am sorry Thank you I love you God bless

Consciousness is the continuous byproduct of the brain's purposeful reactions from feedback of senses, feedback of the brain's memory system, and feedback of the thoughts we think with consciousness. Every element that makes up the body/brain does not know it exists. We are not our bodies. We are spirits or souls in nonconscious bodies for the temporary physical realm. We have been created to prepare for God's eternal life in His Heaven. I will assume I am not wrong unless proven wrong.

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You can never be a God because Yahweh is the God of this world and he will make sure that doesn't happen, only until after Yeshua's return, when we are restored to the garden and have access to the fruit of the tree of life, then we will be immortal.

Geordie Rose: summoning the deamon or old ones.

Please tell me this master of intelligence has intellectual successors he's going to leave behind.

Uploading to silicon is temporary, because all of physical reality is temporary. A trillion years may not feel temporary until it is *_over!_* But uploading to Heaven is permanent, for there is no time in Heaven -- not as we know time. Returning to Heaven makes us Alpha and Omega, like Christ and like God, and like all of the angels of Heaven.

Only the Holy God transforms. I'm very grateful to you sir for all your work. I've been able to watch hours and hours of your engagements over the years. One of the "good" consequences of the RU-vid algorithm. Godspeed.

The Fall of Adam and Eve is a good and necessary part of our salvation. Without it, there would be no joy, no posterity and no Christ. Moses 5 21 ... And Eve, his wife, heard all these things and was glad, saying: Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient.

Very few people are suitable for God-like powers.

About one minute later. You get a pop up - its 2023.

Same lie as in the Garden of Eden. "You will be as gods..."

Harari is pure evil

He probably could have used a better example than the covid vaccines given how questionable they are in practice. I agree that AI is just a tool that can do wonderful or terrible things, though. It's the soul of the society that determines what will be tolerated, and without a Christian spirit in the people, I fear we will constantly inch closer to what many of our US leaders want, a CCP-influenced technocracy model.

21:30 There is one very interesting detail and... inaccuracy in understanding what Jesus will do. And the esteemed guest of this video consciously or not, he does not pay attention to this, which is why his answer to the question looks as if he replaces one with another. Naturally, he is not engaged in substitution of concepts. But let's make it clear to clarify the situation and rehabilitate the esteemed guest. you see, what's the matter: Jesus did not solve the problem of death (as a phenomenon) and did not deliver anyone from it and he did not rid himself of it (he could not avoid it) (that is, even he (Jesus) himself went through it, experienced it). He only brought Lazarus back to life (who had already died before) and resurrected himself after death after he died on the cross. And here we have a fundamental difference between what Christianity offers (resurrection after death, which before resurrection is offered to experience as something inevitable), and what transhumanism offers - getting rid of death by canceling it (You just will never encounter it, because it (as a phenomenon) is just simply excluded from human existence). And this is the essence of the immortality offered by transhumanism, in contrast to the version of immortality offered within Christianity, where immortality is given only to those who have experienced death (statistically).

Ethics and religion has always stood in the way of human progress

Lost me towards the end

Abraham 3 18 ...also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other, yet these two spirits, notwithstanding one is more intelligent than the other, have no beginning; they existed before, they shall have no end, they shall exist after, for they are gnolaum, or eternal. 19 And the Lord said unto me: These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all. 21 ... I rule in the heavens above, and in the earth beneath, in all wisdom and prudence, over all the intelligences thine eyes have seen from the beginning; I came down in the beginning in the midst of all the intelligences thou hast seen. 22 Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones; 23 And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born.

Prof. Lennox I think you know well enough that AI ,will eventually replace a big part of humans to work, and the outcome of it will be a huge problem in suicide.

They can try and they will fail :)

My immediate reaction is to laugh or vomit. But I must resist this and merely smile and Cross myself. Only God and God through Christ His Son can save us - and already has! Chill out and know the Light here, the Light to come - and the Light of the Past still awaiting…

What we need to know and believe from God's Word: [ABOUT SALVATION: I Cor. 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren (fellow Christians), I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you have received, and wherein you stand: By which also you are saved, if you keep in memory what I preached to you, unless you have believed in vain (don't really care). For I delivered to you first of all that which I received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Eph. 2:8-9 For by grace (from God) are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Rom. 10:9-13 That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart man believes to righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made to salvation. For scripture says, Whosoever believes on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between Jew and the Greek (Gentiles): for the same Lord over all is rich to all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Joh. 3:16 For God so loved the world (us), that he gave his only begotten Son (Jesus), that whosoever believes in him should not perish (in hell), but have everlasting life (with God). Joh. 14:6 Jesus said to him (us), I am the way (salvation), the truth (trustworthy), and the life (eternal): no man comes to the Father (God), but by me (God the Son). Rom. 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing (studying), and hearing by (studying) the Word of God. Rom. 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. Rom. 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:]

Consciousness = God's image? Asking for a friend.

Satan said "He would be like the God most high" was defeated at the cross and sentenced to hell,you and I received Grace,mercy Repent,believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.

I hope to be up-loaded into Jesus Christ because He is Goodness, Truth and Beauty...