@@spacerex55 No she doesn't. Natasha died at 39, and was trained from age 5 and started working around age 19, so she has 34 years of training and 20 years of experience in the field. John by John Wick 4 is in his late 50s. He was trained around age 11, and started working also around age 19, meaning he has 45+ years of training and 38-ish years of experience in the field. If you count his retirement, you can shave five years off both those stats. Still, he has vastly more training and experience.
Experience goes to John. Natasha died at 39, and was trained from age 5 and started working around age 19, so she has 34 years of training and 20 years of experience in the field. John by John Wick 4 is in his late 50s. He was trained around age 11, and started working also around age 19, meaning he has 45+ years of training and 38-ish years of experience in the field. If you count his retirement, you can shave five years off both those stats. Still, he has vastly more experience. Either way, W edit. Seriously, this edit is insanely good. And the matchup itself is very creative. Both were trained from childhood to be ruthless global hitmen. Both went abroad for their work, both speak multiple languages, both are gun-fu experts. This edit is as awesome as the matchup. I think John would take it mid diff, but high diff is fine.
Mid diff? Holy shit you John wick fanboys are annoying you do know Natasha was injected with super solider serum? She’s fought and highly skilled Assassins who are much more deadly then what John wick has faced
Lmfao😂😂😂😂 have you never seen Chapter 3? He literally fought multiple EXTREMELY well trained ninjas hand to hand after already fighting a ton of other people and won. Black Widow is good but she's nothing compared to John Wick
@@Mr.Alrightthe entire franchise is based around hand to hand combat and gun fu. He is anything but sloppy. Sure, black widow is better at it but John is much more resilient to let her win
A 120lbs unenhanced human female doesn't beat a 190lbs 6'1 peak level human male in hand to hand. Please go to the gym and learn about human anatomy firsthand. Also, John beats the fuck out of 7'2 global level hitmen hand to hand. Snaps their neck with a book. He's a beast in hand to hand, what do you mean he gets sloppy???
@@ThePalebloodHunter Hawkeye would mop the floor with Wick lol. Also just because a regular human could fight her doesn’t mean she isn’t a human. She’s weaker than your average super soldier but stronger than any regular human in the MCU, the only one who comes close is Kingpin who was able to tear a car door off without even trying and throw Kate Bishop around like a toy.
@@catmario-_3170 No he’s not, he’s ridiculously durable but his strength feats are average. He relies on toughness and endurance, that’s not gonna help against a super soldier who was trained to be an assassin.
@@H.K.5 In terms of power scaling, yes he is. His feats are not on average. The same can be said for Black Widow. Also is there anything source or indicator that Black widow is a super solider in the MCU? Black Widow being a super solider means nothing when Attack Potency matters. John Wick scales to Wall level which is superhuman level. Black Widow is also wall level.
@@captain4345john wick actually had way more and better trainings than her, he ain't no regular guy, it's pretty obvious that you didn't even watch his movies
People forget that with just a suit and an M9 she defeated chitauris and Ultron's robots and that also before Captain America Winter Soldier she had already survived Winter Soldier and that she was able to defeat Taskmaster, someone who knew the martial arts of Black Panter, Hawkeye, Cap, Bucky and Nathasa. without forgetting that he can fight Proximo midnight maybe in a duel with weapons john will win but hand to hand wins widow
Since black widow is in the superhero category reason why she more stronger then John wick should be this Strength - Black widow (John wick strength peak human level) Speed-Black widow Power- John Durability- => Black widow (took a hit from hulk And hits from Crossbones. Tanked a high speed fall. Partially tanked the force of a grenade explosion. Unharmed by Hawkeye's explosive arrow exploding near her. Was thrown hard enough by Scarlet Witch to dent metal. Took a bullet at her shoulder but was still able to move. Survived a fall from a building, crashing into multiple obstacles in the process, yet managed to land on her feet. Endured a massive beating from dozens of Widows at the same time) IQ- Black widow Battle IQ- Black (reason why cuz she fights aliens while John fights trained assassins) Skill- John (black widow does struggle a lot in 1 on 1 skill) Agility- Black widow Combat- John Combat skills- Black widow Stamina - John (has been fighting threw out without sleep while black widow stamina is peak human) Endurance - John ( Has kept fighting waves of enemies in extensive battles after sustaining numerous injuries) Offense / defense - John AP- Black widow DC-Black widow Striking strength- Black widow Hax/abilities- Black widow Experience- Black widow (she fights aliens like I said) Tier- Black widow Feats- John Weapons- Both Gadgets- Black widow 1 on 1 hand - John Gun duel- John Black widow wins but if it was without her suit & gadgets John wins
Would be a W duo movie tbh. Black Widow and John Wick. Plot could be the red room sends out black widows to assinate John, Natasha hears about the red room plans and teams up with John. At first they get into a fight because john thinks shes a black widow (which she is), but the fight is interrupted mid fight so the audience doesnt know who really won, but people debate about constinently on Social media. Anyways, the main boss will be the REAL Taskmaster and one of John's foes. Post credit will reveal a company building a super weapon to kill john and natasha... Deadpool. For a sequel.
People who say John neggs clearly only have seen his movies look at the shit she does in iron man 2 for example and she wasn't even tired she is very and I mean VERY dangerous
John is an amazing fighter but in a grounded universe. Widow is a superhero. She's just got way more feats of punching above her weight class than John does, and of doing similar feats to what John has while holding back to avoid killing people. I'd say Widow takes this mid-difficulty in most close-range scenarios, while John takes this High-difficulty in most far-range scenarios.
What? Since when does Black Widow hold back to not kill people? She kills people all the time, that's one of Cap's issues with her in Winter Soldier, that she does kill people, she doesn't hold back much if at all
Also John Wick literally fought multiple EXTREMELY well trained ninjas in hand to hand combat when he was tired and hurt from fighting a ton of other people and he still won
@@TD-ht8dz Civil War, and Black Widow when fighting other widows and Taskmaster. And also Aliens strong enough to overpower a Hulkbuster suit > Ninjas.
@@eugger3011 1. Nothing she did in Civil War is better than those ninjas. Those Widows would get their *sses handed to them by the ninjas easily. That was a cheap knockoff of Taskmaster that was really pathetic and would lose to the ninjas. The amount of those aliens that she fought when easily get sliced up or just killed by the ninjas. Those aren't just normal ninjas, they're the best of the best extremely well trained assassin ninjas
@@TD-ht8dz Yeah, idk what to tell you. Compare the scene where John were fighting the ninjas to any of the feats of someone like Taskmaster. They're leagues apart. Like I said before, the John Wick universe is too grounded for it to compete with anyone from the MCU. Him beating Widow in a far-range scenario is impressive enough.
@@MetaphysicsEnthusiastAren't you exaggerating the killing with a pen thing? Natasha is an assassin and can do anything John Wick can do, including kill with a pen.
They call him baba yaga. Well John wasn't exactly the bogeyman he was who you sent to kill the fucking bogeyman. The baddies he buried that day led the foundation of what is today. He killed 3 man in a bar with a fucking pencil.
I prefer Wick as a character, but the fact of the matter is that she actually wins. Yes, John is physically superior... but that's the only point he actually wins on. Natasha's gear alone is enough to put him down, coupled with the fact that she has much more experience fighting stupidly tough opponents, while most people Wick faces are henchmen. Widow is way too much for Wick
if john wick was in mcu he would have been pretty decent avenger and far better and more powerful and stronger than black widow the only reason you are saying black widow wins is because either you are women or a natasha simp just tell me black widow's feat and john wick's feats
@@Fragto372 Bro I literally prefer Wick as a character😭😭😭don't be stupid, Wick would not be a decent Avenger at all. His weaponry is not gonna do anything. That's the difference between the two. Widow just has better technology and a similar level of skill "Either a woman or Widow simp" what a shit take😭😭
@@alexpennymeme1905 comparing the feats of both john has more and far better feats he is easily going to defeat widow the only thing widow takes is advanced technology weapons and experience
John Wick casually smashed through bullet proof glass, this alone would be comparable to smashing through concrete chunks. John can also survive a 3 story fall, casually tank multiple car crashes with no damage.
Experience goes to john as he's older than Natasha as she's born in 1984 whilst john is born in 1964, john also has more combat and training experience compared to Natasha
Glr Custuma dá bastante o Ponto de Speed pra as Mulheres só que Normalmente os Homens são mais rápidos que as Mulheres, No quesito velocidade elas Ganham mesmo só o Ponto de agilidade pq numa linha reta eu acho difícil mais é só uma opinião minha
@@justindai8401 Not always if the height difference is not too big the stonger one, al least the one who has stronger legs should be faster but if the height difference is to big...
@@jayturner7145He gets his ass handed to him in fist combat like 4 -6 times throughout the movies. Plus natasha has gear and better training. She also is good with fire arms as well. Stop meat riding.
Natasha literally fought against aliens Natasha high difff how can I forget bout infinity war damn Natasha>John dude ngl just watch marvel movies all girls are not weak dude
if john wick was in mcu he would have been pretty decent avenger and far better and more powerful and stronger than black widow the only reason you are saying black widow wins is because either you are women or a natasha simp just tell me black widow's feat and john wick's feats
@@Fragto372 AP: Knock out a guy in a military suit by kicking the door destroying ultron minions (how can shoot energy beam and one shot JW) stagger Winter soldier Proxima Midnught Corvus glare (All superhumans) Speed: both have dodge bullet but not in the same level and John wick was touch multiple times during the multiple movies and this guy wear bullet proof veste the majority of the time for a reason (he doesn't have the consistency) Widow can go in a room with man shooting at her and never get touch keep up in a spare fight with Steve keep up with Proxima Midnight Durability: Take a back hand by hulk not holding back (but not trying his hardest) WS throw her into a car and still fine Fighting in the attack from new york for 2 hours (no breaks) I could continue but yea Black Widow low diff
Believe it or not black widow should be taking strength over wick considering she simply dropped kick a literally alien species that was like 8 feet tall yet Corvus glaive was able to man handle cap and the fact he got ragdoll is interesting normal humans in the mcu are built different.
