The house of lords is like the US senate, if the senate had its balls snipped. The lords cannot block anything and they can't even amend or contest anything that is in the governmet manifesto, i.e. it's the same as if the Democrats had a majority ìn the congress, and they said before the election that they want medicare for all, then the senate wouldn't be allowed to do anything to block or delay it since it was promised before the election. The only reason the lords were able to make these amendments was because the conservative manifesto didn't say anything about them taking rights from EU citizens
@@ProjeckDestiny lol careful, Moscow Mitch and Trump may disagree with you. After all what good are the people when we need the ok from their backers in Moscow and big mega companies. People only matter when they make us look like we are democratic. After all, that is how trump got elected, getting help from them after all. An he certainly does not want to prove that wrong.
I've mostly stopped watching the massively biased American media. U.K. and Australian news is biased as well, but it's easier to see it and filter the bias out from the outside.
6:16 So wait - this person is talking about how people could be struggling to prove their rights and entitlements in the UK, which could be done with an ID for example, and yet they were against this amendment which would give those people ID?
@Insomnia DrEvil still I don't see the problem in manifesting that digital information into a physical ID. Just like with everything else. There is a digital record somewhere that you have a drivers license, and the police could just make a request to the database - but you get a physical card to simplify that process.
The problem isn't the physical ID. it is a perfectly reasonable system. It might have been a bit of an eye-roller for the treasury, but it isn't an issue for the House of Commons. It is the overturning of ECJ rulings that might be an issue. the ECJ is an elitist and corrupt political body, and if the UK Supreme Court is unable to act, then there will be EU law applied in the UK.
@@Cotonetefilmmaker EU citizens residing in the UK are not Brits whereas they would be obliged to carry ID in their home countries. I'm Dutch, I have an ID card but there is no obligation to carry it, only to show it to "persons of authority" such as police when asked, so for practical reasons it always sits in my wallet. The card also serves as a passport for the EU. In the same vein I have an ID card for hospitals with my photo on it. Drivers licence ditto. All very practical, saves on searching through digital databases. I would certainly be opposed to wearing an eartag like cattle, but really, an ID card is just another credit or debit card. And if British residents from Europe feel safer with one, why not give them a card?
My dude, it's okay to put the video out in the afternoon after a decent night's sleep. Lots of uni students have exams right now (I do), don't screw that up to put up videos on time.
Must say I'm pretty shocked by your expectations. A RU-vidr's publication time should suite your lifestyle? Really? I wonder if you and those who liked your comment are typical of the student demographic. I certainly hope not.
@@matthiaswalker38 I'm not saying this for my benefit, I'll still watch his videos whenever they come out. I'm saying this because I don't want one of my favourite content creators to burn himself out for the sake of releasing a video just a bit sooner.
@@matthiaswalker38 He's saying that TLDR shouldn't, not should, adjust his schedule. He's concerned that if TLDR is a student, they're damaging their own sleep schedule during the channel's own exam season. Careful how you read things, and don't be throwing things around about 'typical of demographics' :)
Wait what? Let me get this straight: Commons makes a bill, the Lords ammend it, the Commons say "nah", and then you get royal ascend? What's the point of the Lords then?
They revise bills and make sure there aren't any issues. Or in instances like this block the government. They aren't supposed to be elected. There is no point. And they do good when the house of Commons is under a massive majority like now. They protested the Iraq war more than any one in the House of Commons. The Lords is a good thing.
Tactical Idiots so they are unelected people that block the things the elected people try and put through, how do you not see anything wrong with that? People put the conservatives in a majority to get the things they voted for done not to have it blocked by people who nobody voted for.
@@tacticalidiots2340 hrm... i'm not so sure. They may have done good, but the unelected element of it is extremely odd. Some of the things that is said in lords is to the effect of "The electorate are too stupid to know what's good for them" Again, same principle, this doesn't make them bad either. But it just shows how contradictory it can be. For every significant good, there is a significant bad. The most significant element i think is like i said, the unelected element, and how they're percieved as self serving. The fact that a massive government majority isn't uncontested though is a massive boon, even if you support what the government are standing for. Scrutiny and accountability is the whole point of democracy after all.
None really, This should be considered as a second house and members should be voted into the position. No more upgraded senior ex-politicians Marxist and Fabians by politicians in parliament.
@@xzenderx they have no real power though. That's why they don't need to be elected. It's not the point of their job, they're supposed to be experienced, for example factory owners, economists, scientists etc. get appointed because when the elected Commons makes laws on things, they might not know the full implications. Which is where the Lords come in.
RubbisH ! the leave result has been on going since 2016.. delay was due to biased Parliament trying to overtun the decision, just like the unelected idiots in the HOL above.. Boris has seta tight deadline so we can at last be free from this tyranny
@@matiasluukkanen7718 People like John value GDP and being politically correct over freedom and quality of life for the native People... They could always fuck off to Germany or France 👍🏻
If the Lords want to ignore the Salisbury Convention, where they do not block passage of manifesto commitments, they could force a delay beyond the end of January. It would be a nuclear option as it would force a 'no deal' outcome instantly and probably lead to Boris deciding to either significantly reform, or even scrap, the Lords.
Not very likely, because the ping-pong period would be a non-stop, ‘rest-less’ process with the Lords and the Commons keep ping-ponging for whatever hours long until they reach an agreement. The last time that a ping-pong was triggered was in 2005 under Blair’s government, and that ping-ponging went for 31.5 hours long. It would be over 168 hours long for this time if they really want to use ping-ponging to delay the bill receiving Royal Assent. And by the way, in replying to Maletoth, the Lords has already followed the Salisbury Convention by approving the bill with no objection, they just send back amendments.
As a British person living in Spain, I have a resident card (Like a driving licence which I obtained at the local police station after submitting passport, bank account and Spanish address as evidence) I had to pay for it which is no problem! Its a relatively easy, uncomplicated process. But If stopped by police its automatic verification that I’m here legally. The Tories look like they they couldn’t arrange a ‘p... up’ in a Brewery. I do think that all EU citizens here need to pay for this as I have heard from friends that they believe it should be free.
OMG. that old goat right in the center sound asleep is priceless. Blue/purple tie two slots down from the Granny with the blue hair. Can't stop laughing.
They may all have turned up initially, but apparently all they need to do is warm their seat and leave in order to get their £300 per day. The people want the HoL abolished and Boris is already initiating changes (by stealth I think) and here you now see them digging their heels in! Memo to: The House of Lordies: Change is a coming folks! 😂 Start looking for some alternative pocket money! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
all EU passports and a majority of the ID cards already have that as well. in the EU passports there is a chip in bedded in to the plastic card. Even if the UK leaves the EU that chip won't automatically disappear out of there passport.
? There is no way that anybody applying for settled status and having it granted would not have either hard copy or electronic correspondence confirming the application and/or its being granted. Just print it out and keep it with your other important documents and there’s not a problem.
a simple 'visitor' license with things such as 'driving' can be done easily. the USA uses the term 'undocumented' for those who illegally crossed the boarders. some states give them actual state drivers licenses and with that they then vote, totally illegal, but the states love the extra votes.
So if the Commons says no to amandments does it go back to the Lords? I can’t imagine the Lords would give this for Royal Assent if it comes back with their amendments axed?
Why can't they make both a digital record of residence on a government database and give a physical card to EU residents? The ID card gives easy and quick identification and digital ID could serve as a backup in case card is lost, stolen, etc.
This bollocks 3 amendments to this bill that will be removed by the government on Wednesday. It isn't embarrassing, it was expected that the Lords would try and amend the bill but ultimately fail.
Altho I'm pro Brexit, I'm actually in agreement with the first 2 amendments, ppl here should be allowed to stay already, they've uprooted to move here so they deserve that right. And as for documents, if said immigrant dosnt speak fluent English, then a physical ID card will just give them piece of mind, as one of the lords stated they have a driving licence so why not an I'd, maybe use the passport office to just issue them a UK passport kinda thing. As for the supreme court, we've already seen how corrupt they can be, giving to any court ensures it's more fair given that its alot more difficult to corrupt and bribe every court
Surely the answer is you must register to stay and then you get the card? I think it is reasonable to ask someone to apply to stay, like applying for a visa. Thus, like a visa, you'd receive documentation for it.
thanks for this , really good, and thanks for your all-nighter :) what I am struggling to understand is how the House of Lords want 3 ammendments, but that the House of Commons can overturn them? have I misunderstood? I thought the House of Lords had to pass the bill?
Since the withdrawal bill was in the manifesto, I thought the Salisbury-Addison Convention prohibited the bill being changed or voted down in the Lords.
Maybe because EU politics is none of their business. Or maybe because the EU has already decided (in Nov. 2018) on how to cope with UK citizens after Brexit, and maybe they're fine with it. Have you ever thought about making a minimum amount of research before asking those questions?
Can you do a quick video at some point explaining what the House of Lords is, who’s in it, and where their power comes from for those of us who aren’t British and have no idea?
DrBoom A group of people were invited over to the country decades ago and assured of their right to stay. They worked hard, had families, built lives and communities and prospered. Then the home offic looses the database with their names and info on it and decides to deport a bunch of now elderly, naturalised british citizens rather than cop to fucking up. I know none of this actually matters to you, you ingrown pube, just putting the context out there for anyone who cares to listen.
Apologies for the possible confusion, but can Boris Johnson simply reject the three amendments from the House of Lords, and then send the new law straight to royal assent?
I noticed that several Brits in the comments below suggested replacing the HoL with a body comparable to the U.S. Senate, as opposed to just deleting the HoL altogether. As an American, let me give you two reasons why the U.S. Senate wouldn't serve any purpose in the U.K. (1) The Senate was a concession to the small states to quell their fears of being dominated by the large states if they joined a Federal government. So was the electoral college. In those days, Massachusetts and Virginia were the most populous states; today it's California and New York, but the principle remains the same. The Senate and electoral college give the small states a say in the government far beyond their proportional population, but it was (and remains) a necessary concession for the small states to agree to be part of the U.S. None of this history applies to the U.K. (2) As a practical matter, the Senate serves to bring to the fore the politicians who are going to be the future governors and presidents. In the U.S. most people don't even know the name of their representative in the lower house, and they can't name even one rep outside their own community. This is a very beneficial use, helping the public to get to know people at the national level, and single out an elite who are destined to be the top leaders. Again, this is irrelevant to the U.K. Everyone in the U.K. knows their MP, and they probably know the names, personalities and politics of dozens of MPs too. Maybe they're better informed than the U.S., maybe it's that the U.K. is a smaller country. Whatever the reason, MPs are household names in the U.K. while Congressmen and Congresswomen in the U.S. aren't. For these two reasons, replacing the HoL with something comparable to the U.S. Senate doesn't make any sense. On the other hand, getting rid of it as an obsolete relic of the past makes a ton of sense.
As an American IK it doesn't really effect me, but imo What is wrong with having physical Identification for EU citizens when you have a system for Non-EU citizens already... To try and override the ruling and not give EU citizens physical Identification should be concerning, even if you have a "secure digital" system in place. Sometimes physical ID can be safer, and more reliable on the long run
There's one thing I still don't understand: Once the bill is changed again, wouldn't it go back to the Lords? Isn't this what you meant by ping ponging? And if so, couldn't the houses continue to pong until past the deadline? What's Johnson's way of getting it to the Queen in time?
The last amendment is insane... how many times do we need to vote for brexit? The lords are risking their own necks with this delay. With such a strong majority in the commons we could be looking at the end of the house of lords
How comes the amount of votes is above 400 whereas there seem to be only a couple of dozens people present in the video? ... in a room that does not seem large enough to accommodate 400+ people? Are most of them delegating their votes to "trusted third parties" ?
Well, thanks to the house of Lords, the UK should be closer to a "no deal Brexit". I figure the Lords can't alter something that doesn't exist if the timeline itself simply runs out. They KNEW beforehand that each time they stall, the "no deal option" becomes stronger
The Lord with a husband who has a residence Visa is in for a shock. My wife had one but about 7 years ago they were changed to Biometric Residence cards. Why can't the EU residents get them? Afterall all of the 27 charge for registration (the UK is the only country dumb enough not to). I see a game of ping pong about to happen, or a no deal Brexit!
It hasn't been defeated, merely delayed. The appointed house does not have ultimate power over the elected house. And the sooner we abolish the former, the better!
The 1st amendment will be/is disliked by the current government, I suspect, because of the cost of issuing identity documents. Its not an easy sell of spending to the general public.
I would say that it is not an embarrassment as the amendments that they are proposing, are key factors of becoming independent. As for the ID cards and such, they should not budge on that as they already have a problem with people faking passports to get access in to the country.
I'm not being funny but I think we should insist on reciprocity for British subjects living and working in the EU. It seems to me in our dash to be reasonable we're abandoning the leverage we had to ensure our people are fairly treated in EU countries.
I'm not a Brit so sorry if I'm only ignorant about this, but how is this a democratic system? In the beginning it is said that the House of Lords is to keep the Government accountable, right? So how then is it possible for the government to seemingly ignore what the House of Lords decided?
For me as EU citizen the amendments seem to be very reasonable, and I would see them as a gesture to continue good relationships with the EU after the Brexit.
Did I miss it, or did you not explain why Johnson can get whatever he wants out of the withdrawal agreement after explaining that the house of lords can ping pong endlessly if they continue to disagree with the bill passed in the Commons?
