Gotta say, I like the ambient music you're putting in the background now, adds just a bit of mood but without intruding on the narrating and conversations, just the right balance.
Its interesting. And I like how your channel and others like it are basically an archive to understanding black powder and how much guns and gunpowder has evolved since its invention.
The J&D bullet DOES have a grease groove, but it is outside lubed. As you probably know, the paper Ctg bullets were often dipped in a lube, after assembly. Most was probably removed, when loaded, but enough to do the job.
Dadgum conscience! A piece of custom tubing over push rod centers reverse bullet and stops at die when custom fit. Plastic or aluminum is ok. Air pop and an easy finger pinch removes a perfect taper base.
Give the Kaido conicals a try when you get a chance. They're offered in 220, 240, and 255gr versions and they hit harder and penetrate deeper than anything else. A seller on Etsy machines 220gr castings into hollow points and claimed a kill on a deer at 30 yards that passed all the way through, which if true is damned impressive.
I also sometimes load the Johnston & Dow for my 45Colt Kirst conversion cylinders in my Walker and 1860 revolvers. I size them like you did, and just put a little bit of lube in my revolver cylinders and they work great!
I powdercoat my black powder bullets, works great for me. No lube needed.... Coat stays intact after resizing. I use the coating methode from Cees ....aka....Lead Cees... Take a can of siliconespray.....spray your bullets.....take pair of pincers and hold the bottem part... Gently put the bullet into the powdercoat and dont let the bullet go...take the bullet out and tap of the exces powder bij gently tapping the pincers with a rod. Place the bullet on a silicone mat into an oven and bake by the powdercoat manufactors instructions...and voila...a nicely powdercoated bullet.
Alright yeah that is still a cool idea. Hasn't thought of using a shot card with bp loads - I do use plastic ones for smokeless 45 Colt that I just 3d print a zillion of for cheap
A little crisco for lube goes a long way 🤪 Awesome research being done you guys! Very interesting to see the mixed powder be edged out by flex in the rifle, but vice versa in the pistola! Muy interesante!
I had the same cronograph, damn thing only worked on a sunny cloud free day. The smoke sometimes interferes with the optical sensors too. Got a Garmin cronograph works every time and ya don't have to shooting through anything. There expensive but worth it.
As soon a s you mentioned the 1866, I knew how it would go. I have one too and did the same with semi wadcutters. It's always fun trying to get that cartridge back out through the loading gate!
Something ive noticed with some smokeless reloaders, and with good reason usually, they think if they cant find it in a reloading manual, that it cant be done. One of my best friends was convinced i was going to blow up my 1911 loading a 0.454" round ball with pyrodex p in a 45 auto case. I laughed out loud when it actually cycled well enough to load a round when i fired it. He was dumb struck and i took him down the rabbit hole that is black powder. He's used it, at least as a fun experiment, in almost everything he owns at one time or another, including ARs lol.
Shotgun loaders are the worst about this. I can’t count how many times I hear even rather mundane off-book tricks called “impossible” or “unsafe.” Even things like replacing 1 1/8 oz of birdshot with 1 oz of buckshot
@@jacobackley502 With shotgun it's kind-of-sort-of understandable. SAAMI max for shotgun shells is usually around 11,000 psi compared to the 30,000 and up for metallic cartridges, so there's less margin for error. However, you're right that they may be a bit too finicky about things. Substituting primers, for example, or mixing brands of hull as long as they're the same category (tapered vs. straight). otoh I'm mainly a metallic reloader and I'm not averse to experimenting. For example, I couldn't find data for a 168 grain bullet in .300 Blackout using Accurate No. 11FS, so I went to the burn rate charts and found that it was around the same speed as H110 or Win 296. So I started at the minimum charge for those and now have a decent load worked up. Of course, learning to reload from Johnny's Reloading Bench may have influenced my willingness to experiment. XD
@@vicroc4 I’d say there’s actually quite a bit more margin of error for shotguns. Many are proofed above 20kpsi. Some are good up until the 30s. If you have a known good shotgun like an 870, the idea that you’ll blow it up with minor experiments is pretty silly. It’s a lot like a 45 colt Ruger Blackhawk. If you’re around 45 colt load data, you’re miles away from damaging it.
@@jacobackley502 I mean, you're not wrong. I'm just saying that the difference in pressures might be why more reloaders are willing to experiment in metallic cartridges than in shotguns.
hell i'll cap brass with`em!! Jake ever try ammonium nitrate in place of potassium nitrate? i've seen it done in rocket motors both are oxidizers it should work! i'm planning on doing a batch but finding a small bag is being a pain around here and i don;t have any use for 50 pounds of the stuff!!
Idk if you'll see this or not but do you know if there are any lever guns that work with the .45 colt " magnum" rounds that qre still made i heard the 1892 winchester and there clones work but id rather not be the one who foud out
Just like when I was 9 and Saturday morning came around ,I was happy .Cartoons,yeah. Today , Jake posts , I thought yeah it's Saturday! Then my brain locked the hubs ,Oh it's Friday. So, I got a Fathers day bonus,a couple days early. YEAH, "Cup Half Full!"
LOL! You *had* to go there. Cool, though. I wonder if you aren't better off that they didn't chamber in the rifle--they say pointy bullets can set off the primers of bullet ahead of them in the tube, although I don't know if that's a myth. I had Accurate Molds make a custom mold that is a very close match to the original bullets used in the M1873 .45 Colt cartridges, and it works very well, and looks almost exactly the same as the original civilian cartridges (the military ones were copper with Benet primers, and I can't reproduce that).
@@Everythingblackpowder 255 grains with 20:1 lead:tin. It should have a slightly hollow base, and it should be .452 instead of .454, but Accurate can't make hollow-base bullet molds, and they only made the originals .452 to deal with a problem with the loading mechanisms they used, so it's otherwise quite close. I wish I could post a link here, I wrote up a couple of articles on my blog about it and the Frankford Arsenal reproduction packaging I made for them.
HEY JAKE!!! THERE IS NOOOO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH THAT ANYONE COULD EVER GET A FLINTLOCK RIFLE TO GO 2,000 FPS WITH 50gr OF HOME MADE HOLY BLACK ANTIQUE MUZZLE LOADING PROPELLANT!!! 😈😎🤠 IT'S JUST IMPOSSIBLE, IT CAN'T BE DONE.
Now that I know you will try something if someone tells you you can’t do it I’m trying to think of videos I want to see so I can tell you you can’t do it.
Have you ever tried the lee concial 456-220? I am considering trying this so I don't have to get another mold because money's on the tite side right now
.454 colt bullets, reversed into .44 sizer a measured amount to create a tapered tail 1860 bullet. Run an oversize bullet in first. Tha air pressure on base of lubed reverse bullet will POP out ! Works? Err- can NOT be done!?! Lol a 260 flat nose tapered tail will load and bust helloutastuff. 777 kikit!
I use a card between the black powder and my felt wad so the grease doesn't effect the powder when using bullets made for smokeless powder. I've already loaded Johnson and Dow into a 45 colt case just to see how they worked.
Entertaining as always Jake. Yes the OAL of 1.6" cannot be significantly be exceeded in an 1873......... I use the 200gr Lee bullets in my cap'n'ball revolvers. They do have a lube groove so I run them through the sizer to lube them and then just load them like that. Seems to work fine. For RBs I use a 1/16" (or thereabouts) wool felt wad soaked in the same lube (60/40 beeswax/vaseline) which seems to work well too and is not hard to clean up. I have wondered about the J&Ds and similar with no lube grooves and how they would go both in percussion arms and metallic cartridges. Personally, I'd be inclined to put a thin paper wad over the powder to protect it from the lube, although I think the fear of 'contamination' is probably over rated. I have noticed that those 1/16" felt wads to sometimes stay stuck to the ball, and on hot days give a faint smoke trail to the target. Accuracy does not seem adversely affected for my purposes, but that's not bullseye shooting it's on steel. Interesting that your 'odds and sods' powder performed just fine. I must confess to mixing remnants of commercial powders this way and have not noticed any significant degradation of performance; after all, I can see little reason why there should be. Thanks as always for another interesting video,... 🙂
"Why?" Why? NOT? "I have" a mixed stash too of my less than what I hoped for AMP stash of "mixed AMP" I was thinking another milling all together may change things?
After reading the comments about pointy bullets in a tube magazine, I'd like to say that that lead is not going to set off a primer. Even hard lead would be too soft. If you made a firing pin out of the same lead, it would not fire the cartridge. (and only be good for one try) Also, 30 grains of black under a 200-218? grain bullet would not have enough recoil to do it. I'm guessing that load in an 1866 didn't have much more kick than a .22. Consider that many 30-30 bullets are very round-nosed, but are safe with the lead tip of the bullet. It's FMJ bullets in a powerful cartridge, in a tube that one might not want to do. So, the pointy nose of the J&D bullet is a non-issue in a '66, firing a light load. Just saying.
Time to make the sacrifice and purchase a new Garmin Doppler Radar Chono for Fathers Day. It mounts right beside you, won't get splashed nor HIT and records EVERY shot ! No more stepping forward and squinting to read the velocity either !
Had similar over length with .45 Colt loaded for old Vaquero when I was so excited taking my 7th Cavalry SAA to shoot. Colt cylinder shorter than the Ruger. Eerrrrr!
I haven’t seen black powder on shelves in years. Anywhere. They have told me it due to the classification being explosive but equivalent is not. It’s classified as flammable.
Those pointed conical projectiles are fine for revolvers but tubular magazines can get "exciting" when centerfire rounds, instead of the original rimfire are used.😮 I love the channel and thoroughly enjoy the videos. Those conical rounds always knocked the rammer free on my 1851 colts 😂
That's interesting, I have a few pounds of who knows what BP in different containers, won't be that way for long I assure you. Really like your videos, I seem to learn a little more each time. When you hit my age learning is something you did years back. Thanks for the video.
Ok I know this video has been up for a minute but I just had an idea. Since they come out of the mold at .460, why not size them to 458-459 and try them in a 45-70 carbine?
The video, as always, didn't suck. Just a follow-up from your previous video regarding milling-time; Have you tried using a larger diameter mill? I suspect that the balls don't quite have enough energy to properly smash everyhting together/apart. You said that you experienced a reduction in perormance (but increase in cleanlieness) when switching from lead to brass, and that checks out with my theory. If you can get ahold of / make a larger diameter mill, the time it takes to get that ultra-clean burn should be reduced.
Good video, didn't suck, but why didn't you put the card wad under the lubed wad, rather than over it? Wouldn't the card wad under the lubed wad protect the powder from the lube? Asking for a friend.
Maybe a random idea... What happens if you take 2 different powders like cottonelle and cottonwood, and mix them like 25/75 or 50/50 does it just average out or something else?
This is unrelated to the video but today I was experimenting with my dog lock pistol and sea service pistol found that using 40 grains of 2f and some paper with .22 cal pellets I used 10-12 and you get a pretty decent pattern but I don’t really now if you would call that buckshot or just shot
Have you tried lee liquid alox for the bullets and the felt for the powder fouling? And why the choice of wheel weights instead of a softer alloy, just a convenience thing? Love what you guys do keep it going. I wonder how that j&d would do in a reduced 45-70
I use Lee liquid alox for 50-70 and 577 snider smokeless loads and it works just fine. own an automotive repair shop so I have an abundance of used wheel weights so it’s simply a matter of convenience..
Take that comment! I am waiting for someone to do some tests with the new GOEX to see if they made it any better. I can't get any real powder around here so I make mine like you used to and go with it as best as I can. you do a great job with your tests and make everything interesting. Thank you for that, and thank you for knowing "You can't" means "TRY it!"
Question for you .i tried the black load in a single action revolver.but noticed a huge difference in the size grains used real fine grains of powder on hard ball was holy moly what a difference from course powder say 3f compaired to four f .it realy made a big difference in power like night and day.
all my pistols with solid sights get a dovetail filed into the barrel so i can have my sights filed to fit my load and if for some reason i need a taller sight i can jus swap it out with another instead of fighting the soldered sights that come on em
OK ok I'm corn fused😢 Why would anyone come to the conclusion that this could not be done? Every .44 cap n ball conical I own also doubles as a cartridge bullet as well. The Kerr, and the Johnson and dow is the only two I don't own or tried. Here's the list of those I have on hand and use in multiple applications. The lee conicals , both the .450, 456 version, also work great as a ACP sub. All three Kaido ojamaa bullets, all eight of my own bullets ranging from 170-270 grains. Big notes here 1. Cartridge overall length 2. I Resizing to .452 for true 45 barrels, and for cap n ball conversion my sizer die is .448. 8+3+4 =15 cap n ball bullets that can serve multiple applications. Another quick side note the first Remington cartridges for cap n ball conversions came top with a .447 diameter bullet. I'm going to be slugging barrels soon on another video soon addressing the 😈 evils of a cylinder conversation a Ruger old army I seen😢 People say 🙄 they weirdest 💩
