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A sequel that resents its own audience because they liked the first movie for the wrong reasons. How could this possibly backfire?
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@kellymays5138
@kellymays5138 День назад
The director pulled a taika waititi, now his first movie is nothing more than a fluke and his latest movie is trash.
@FULANODETAL
@FULANODETAL День назад
i think more pulling a WACHIOSKY sister in matrix 4
@Raximus3000
@Raximus3000 День назад
So, he did a starship troopers with the first one and then he wanted to show his pals that he is on their side.
@romelmunoz7957
@romelmunoz7957 День назад
Hey but it's good to have a tragic villain who is justified and in love with the heroine like Sauron in The Rings Of Power, right Hollywood!? 😅
@johnmiller5679
@johnmiller5679 День назад
The first Joker film was part 1 but it was not his first movie.
@romelmunoz7957
@romelmunoz7957 День назад
@@johnmiller5679I think the Taika Waititi reference was about Thor Ragnarok and Thor Love & Thunder being his first MCU but not his overall filming credits...
@keystrix3704
@keystrix3704 День назад
"You're a terrible person for having really enjoyed my first movie." "Ah. Right. I'll apologize for that by not seeing your second one." "Wait..."
@gusztavkosa4065
@gusztavkosa4065 День назад
absolutely pathetic, in the first we see the villains rise in the 2nd we see the fall, how is this a personal attack on you?
@FrandrickoftheAzureFlame
@FrandrickoftheAzureFlame День назад
I'd recommend seeing the wild robot instead. It goes on a bit longer than it should, but it was overall good.
@Picnicl
@Picnicl День назад
That's not how you apologise. You apologise by rewatching the first movie, appreciating that the Joker is a villain and you don't root for the villain. You're supposed to just feel horrified at how Arthur flipped (you can still feel sorry that Arthur's life hasn't been as great as he'd wish). Then you watch the second movie.
@ghidorah15
@ghidorah15 День назад
@@Picnicl How about NO?
@t34r
@t34r День назад
​@@PicniclHow about you piss off instead and let people enjoy their entertainment?
@WillFredward7167
@WillFredward7167 День назад
Lots of franchises are burning because modern “creatives” are eager to ruin the work of their predecessors. But it’s a special kind of nihilism where a creative destroys his OWN billion dollar fan favorite
@m0-m0597
@m0-m0597 День назад
Maybe they would like to do their own stuff but they don't get jobs with doing their original work, which btw you will never know if it's good because they didn't get to make it
@BrandonScott-mi5pz
@BrandonScott-mi5pz День назад
EXCELLENT WORK. THORIAS UNLIMITED REVIEW OF JOKER 🃏 TWO REVIEW
@taragnor
@taragnor 17 часов назад
@@m0-m0597 In some cases, that's definitely true, like Star Trek Discovery basically entirely looks like a group of writers who wanted to do sci-fi but didn't want to do the Star Trek universe, so they find every excuse possible to distance the show from the actual universe they're supposed to be writing in. They seemed to want to write something closer to Battlestar Galactica, but ended up with Star Trek. The thing is that writers who can't write for established characters usually suck at writing in general, because it shows they don't understand the source material. I don't mean just memorizing the lore and canon, but I'm talking basic thematic concepts like "what is this story about?" A lot of the problem is they don't want to pay good money for talented writers. Famous authors like George RR Martin, Stephen King, JK Rowling, etc, are fantastically wealthy. Meanwhile the pay was so bad for Hollywood writers that they've had to had writers strikes and it's the bad ones that are striking, which should tell you something. Pay a crap wage and you get fanfic writers using ChatGPT to write scripts and they come as garbage.
@filipvadas7602
@filipvadas7602 День назад
Whereas the first movie was the tragic descent of a mentally ill man that society mistreated and then forgot about; this movie is like one LONG humiliation ritual, designed specifically to avoid or ruin everything people liked about the first movie.
@AncientRylanor69
@AncientRylanor69 День назад
perfectly sad.
@Thed538dhsk
@Thed538dhsk День назад
So the 1st film showed you 1 man's descent into madness and the 2nd film showed you YOUR descent into madness?
@maotendoo
@maotendoo День назад
What did you want? Arthur to persevere and overcome some odds so you can cheer him killing innocent people? He was never someone to identify with or sympathize with. Empathize, sure, to a point. He wasn't even the actual Joker. First movie was ok, Phoenix gave a great performance but it was a weird not really a Joker movie. This movie makes sense for the character of Arthur. If you're viewing this as THE Joker or identifying with Arthur, then you're just making yourself angry for no reason. If you were dumb enough to pay for it, sure I guess be mad.
@filipvadas7602
@filipvadas7602 День назад
​@maotendoo I *wanted* there to be no sequel to begin with. The first movie was totally fine as its own thing. This movie just feels like having a firework fall off the stand and shoot sideways into the neighbour's dog. Its a *disaster*
@maotendoo
@maotendoo День назад
@@filipvadas7602 That's fair. I didn't want one either and had no interest once I heard "Gaga" and "musical". Watched it to just see the train wreck. I think people on all sides are projecting things onto both movies. There was some interesting stuff in the 2nd but overall I understand how people hate it.
@macarahneil2154
@macarahneil2154 День назад
Joker: Failure A Deux
@Catinkontti
@Catinkontti День назад
Failure A Douché
@khamankhoma8232
@khamankhoma8232 День назад
I call it the Waititi Effect; giving someone far too much money and creative freedom owing to their past success with a project expecting lightning to strike twice.
@BNuts
@BNuts День назад
So Thor, Wonder Woman, and now Joker. Very unimpressive. But thanks to them, I can save more of my money by not seeing them.
@cyryc
@cyryc День назад
Taika Watiti is Jewish tho, so it's pretty much on par for things
@thoriasunlimited4053
@thoriasunlimited4053 День назад
The "Waititi Effect." That's a good name for it.
@jonnyxquest
@jonnyxquest День назад
What I had heard was that Todd intended for the audience to hate the Joker, that's how he wrote the first movie. And he was super mad that people ended up liking him and relating to him. If that's true than it explains a lot with this sequel.
@emirlsanchos6302
@emirlsanchos6302 День назад
It also explains how he's an over-sensitive nimrod like all the other creative types in their little plastic Hollywood Bubble.
@MVPMVE
@MVPMVE День назад
How do you spend over 2 hours illustrating how society has continuously dumped on a person, and then turn around and tell us that that PERSON is the problem? Maybe if they wanted us to hate the Joker, they shouldn't have given us an origin story describing him as the underdog... Maybe, just maybe, the comics knew what they were doing when they left his backstory ambiguous...
@cyryc
@cyryc День назад
and it explains a lot about Todd
@Trazynn
@Trazynn День назад
It doesn't make sense. Even Tarantino praised Todd for making us want to see the Joker shoot that TV host. You don't do that be accident. It's rather that Todd felt apologetic to the the Hollywood elites and had to make amends.
@SéaFid
@SéaFid День назад
​@@TrazynnSadly a lot of liberal cultists in the comments who bow to modern Hollywood and like typical modern liberals hate the poor and unwell.
@kidkatanatv
@kidkatanatv День назад
I know Thorias was confused why we got a sequel, because I am too...Warner Bros got too greedy
@NoPantsBaby
@NoPantsBaby День назад
Why do you think Warner Bros wanted this movie to be made and released the way it was? Don't you think Warner Bros wanted this movie to do amazingly and resonate with it's audience?
@gusztavkosa4065
@gusztavkosa4065 День назад
and the director made a good movie mocking the studio for it all the way. and somehow people are upset about it.
@osets2117
@osets2117 День назад
This is why you don't force someone to make something they won't want to make
@aurahoneydew9607
@aurahoneydew9607 День назад
That's not the issue the real issue is Todd Phillips being bitter at the audience
@Jaco059
@Jaco059 День назад
@@gusztavkosa4065good movie?
@NoPantsBaby
@NoPantsBaby День назад
This movie can't make me angry. I had no hope for it being good. I saw the response the writers and director had to the way people were enjoying the first movie. They were appalled and apologetic about "violence inspired by the movie" which was exactly zero violence. Frozen 2 screenings saw more blood than any Joker screening. But the movie had said something dangerous to a modern audience. It has said that eventually someone who is kept down by the authorities will stand up. Can't have that. Can't be putting no wild ideas into the white man's head. So Joker 2 was made. To remind the white man of what the authorities promise to do to him if he steps out of line. Joker 2 was salvageable. The first half is pretty much okay as a lead up to a big courtroom reversal. Where the Joker fires his lawyer and demands to defend himself. He just comes out clean says he did all of it, but he is still entitled to a trial. There is no split personality. The Joker is simply Arthur Fleck who has had one really bad day (ZOMG REFERENCE!!!) The question of guilt is over. But the system is tied to it's own rules. It can't just simply convict him there and then. They HAVE to let him put on a defense. And he spends the whole defense assigning guilt to society. The Joker isn't responsible for his action. The system that MADE the Joker is. If we had lived in a different society (ZOMG REFERENCE!!!) Arthur Fleck would have been a healthy young boy, making friends, going to school, getting a job where he feels he did things that mattered. But we don't live in that society (ZOMG DOUBLE REFERENCE!!!) We live in this one. That chews people up and spits them out expecting them to just lie there and rot. Even the ending is usable. Mid closing tirade the bomb goes off exactly as it does in this movie. Joker is dragged from the courtroom unconscious by his fans. And we see him regain consciousness in the back of the car. His fans are jabbering excited. MAD with glee! And he laughs. Cut to credits. You have just made another billion dollars. Joker 2 is the WEAKNESS of the creatives behind the movie on full display. They would lie there and rot.
@ghidorah15
@ghidorah15 День назад
Heck, if Lady Gaga's Lee has to be in there, you could easily have her lead the charge to pull him out, then show her embracing him when he wakes up in the car.
@Shawn6751
@Shawn6751 День назад
Yup, these are one of those times that I'm thankful that my Braves aren't owned by these dumb bastards at Warner Brothers like they used to from 2001-2007.
@kietdo4379
@kietdo4379 18 часов назад
"One can take many things from a man but not his thought" - have no idea who said this but the point is agreeing with you. Joker is an idea and idea is contagious. By doing dirty to Joker 2, they try to kill the idea. No billions dollar is worth if, by any chance, one day Joker will come out of the screen and start walking on the street. Hollywood cannot have that happen.
@taragnor
@taragnor 16 часов назад
I have no idea where you're getting the idea that Joker was about race at all. The movie is all about class: rich vs poor. It's very left-leaning. You are right it was a dangerous topic for modern audiences. Unsurprisingly the people at the top aren't appreciative of any kind of messaging about someone coming after them. They can care less about the lower classes fighting amongst themselves, but when people start to punch up instead of kick down... that's what they don't want you to think about.
@filipvadas7602
@filipvadas7602 День назад
The saddest part is that the idea of having these iterations of Joker and Harley, who are more extremely damaged people more than anything else, slowly evolve into a murderous, villanous power couple through their shared delusions COULD have been really cool. In fact, I think that's where most people thought the sequel was going, myself included. That would have actually been a somewhat fresh new take on their relationship too. The only other times we had something like this was in the godawful Suicide Squad (2016) where Joker seemed to *actually* care about Harley on a deeper level and Telltale where Joker/John Doe *actually* wanted to be better, both mentally and as a person, but Harley kept pulling him towards the dark side with her.
@Picnicl
@Picnicl День назад
The delusion was in just as much of much of the audience as it was in Arthur thinking that Harley could care about Arthur. Much of the audience's delusion was thinking that someone who murders 6 people in sometimes gruesome way should ever be regarded as somewhat heroic. I am so pleased that the sequel essentially told the audience to grow up and appreciate human beings. The movie is essentially saying 'Be more like Batman'.
@t34r
@t34r День назад
​@@PicniclGod, you are a miserable and pathetic human being.
@livefromthemotherland
@livefromthemotherland 18 часов назад
Facts
@jasonl1942
@jasonl1942 9 часов назад
There's always natural born killers I suppose...
@dontemorgan1517
@dontemorgan1517 День назад
The fact that Todd already knows that this film is going to be heavily divided. Why did he even work on Joker in the first place if he felt "apologized" for the first film?
@RogueFox2185
@RogueFox2185 День назад
I don’t even think the reaction is divided, from I’ve seen it’s almost unanimous that this movie is hated by everyone.
@lightdarksoul2097
@lightdarksoul2097 День назад
Because the first caused people to turn into cringe
@Jaco059
@Jaco059 День назад
@@lightdarksoul2097cringe response
@ParkerCS2
@ParkerCS2 День назад
I’m fearful how Hollywood could’ve screwed up a Heath Ledger’s Joker spin off film had he’d not passed away. I’m glad his Joker will never get ruined.
@lightdarksoul2097
@lightdarksoul2097 День назад
Some people think the one at the end is that joker
@ParkerCS2
@ParkerCS2 День назад
@@lightdarksoul2097 it’s not. It’s not part of the NolanVerse just a shitty attempt at a “homage”
@geneanthony3421
@geneanthony3421 День назад
Frankly it was a different time with a different director. I don't think they would have screwed up the character like in this version.
@ParkerCS2
@ParkerCS2 День назад
@@geneanthony3421 good point
@anaalicia5029
@anaalicia5029 День назад
He shouldn’t have listened so much to the criticism -it’s been five years. Why not go big? Just to spite people?!
@DoubleClefFm
@DoubleClefFm День назад
If the critics were right then why did the movie went big ? Phonix got the damn oscar. This movie is just a downgrade.
@Captain-Thievius
@Captain-Thievius День назад
Never underestimate the fragile ego of a Hollywood Director.
@Aivottaja
@Aivottaja День назад
@@DoubleClefFm Which just goes to show how incredibly entitled Phillips and Phoenix are. They made truckloads of money from the first and got two Academy Awards. Their thank you to the audience for paying their next mansions and swimming pools is this.
@lightdarksoul2097
@lightdarksoul2097 День назад
​@@Aivottajathat's just funny
@user-zq6sz2cr6g
@user-zq6sz2cr6g День назад
'Awful' is a very polite way to put it 😅
@DoodsUnited
@DoodsUnited День назад
Most people who watched the first film probably didn't condone what Arthur has done, but even understanding and empathizing was apparently too much. Because the people that made it have no compassion whatsoever.
@RogueFox2185
@RogueFox2185 День назад
Arthur getting his persona backshotted out of him by prison guards is truly one of the Jonkler moments in cinema.
@gusztavkosa4065
@gusztavkosa4065 День назад
you mean it's bonkers how they put him back on his meds and it had the same effect on him as it did in the first movie? and that grape happens in prison?
@DmanDice
@DmanDice День назад
@@gusztavkosa4065 Why put that character back in that position in the first place? Then kill him off..
@gusztavkosa4065
@gusztavkosa4065 День назад
@@DmanDice he was in jail at the end of the first so of course they put him back on meds, and it was clear in the first one that his situation is much worse at the end than at the beginning, he went from a dysfunctional loner to convicted murder with all the mental issues still there was it not clear that it's not going to go well for him, people expected some fairy tail like romance-rampage flick with Harley when it's the whole point of the movie that's grounded in reality, what happens to serial killers in real life? they get executed or die in prison a lot of the times by the hand of other inmates, isn't that what happened here?
@gusztavkosa4065
@gusztavkosa4065 День назад
@@DmanDice it was shown in the first one that he was captured by the police, after he admitted to murder and murdered again, this is what people don't get they think somehow he is in a better position at the end of the 1st movie because he went on a rampage and killed the people who wronged him he went from a dysfunctional loner to an incarcerated murderer in an asylum of course his going to be even more miserable now, People expected some fairy-tale like romance=rampage story with Harley, when the whole point of these movies is realism, in the real world what happens to serial killers? they get executed, or die in prison a lot of the time by the hand of another inmate, is that what happened here? YES what is so confusing about this?
@DmanDice
@DmanDice День назад
@@gusztavkosa4065 Then they should have called it something else. Not the Joker..
@Black_Revue
@Black_Revue День назад
Broker 2: The Killing Flop
@SinCity2100
@SinCity2100 День назад
Joker : Folie a Deux ? more like Joker : Folly a DUD!
@doublep1980
@doublep1980 День назад
* puts on fake French accent * *SACREBLEU!*
@kingslayer2999
@kingslayer2999 День назад
Joker 2 is Hot Garbage and should never have been made. 2024 has Sucked for Movies. Madame Web Borderlands The Crow Megalopolis Joker 2 and thats just a few off the top of my head and we still got Venom 3 Kraven and Gladiator 2 coming out to Stink up the Joint.
@Aivottaja
@Aivottaja День назад
Madame Web is at least hugely entertaining because of how awful it is. Like Morbius was. And I dunno, I'm kind of interested in seeing Megalopolis because of how long Coppola took to make it. It's probably bad, but not intentionally spiteful trash like this movie.
@dank2171
@dank2171 День назад
I think Gladiator 2, Venom 3 and Kraven could be entertaining. I don't think any of the films will be great but could be fun. Hopefully not as bad as the one's you have listed.
@richlamaar
@richlamaar День назад
Damn shame… thanks for sharing…. Yeah I’m not going out of my way to watch 😔
@Shawn6751
@Shawn6751 День назад
2024 looked great on paper, but man, this year has been disappointing so far
@francoiseeduard303
@francoiseeduard303 День назад
Gaga was in NO WAY Harley Quinn! NO WAY!!
@DentalPlanger
@DentalPlanger День назад
Too old and with too many STDs. Real Harley would have been in her 20s.
@ParkerCS2
@ParkerCS2 День назад
There’s no Tooth Fairy, there’s no Easter Bunny, and there’s no Joker sequel.
@doublep1980
@doublep1980 День назад
What I want to know is this: how the frakk does this movie cost 200 $ Million to be produced, compared to the 55 $ Million of the first film, HOW?! Most of the movie takes place in Arkham, the court room and we also have the musical numbers. All these scenes can be shot relatively easy & cheap in a sound stage studio. There are no big action scenes or CGI sequences or anything. To put this into perspective: John Wick 4, which is a crazy action movie extravaganza, featuring elaborate action sequences with dozens of stunt performers, CGI, real sets that were build from scratch ( like that nigh club, where Wick fights fat Scott Adkins, that was build for the movie!), car stunts and what not, cost 100 $ Million. Literally half the budget! I wouldn't be surprised if there are some serious Hollywood Accounting shenanigans going on, behind the scenes and WB makes an actual profit from this garbage movie, declaring it as a loss & getting a fat tax write-off.
@R-Lee-
@R-Lee- День назад
I think it's money laundering.
@thoriasunlimited4053
@thoriasunlimited4053 День назад
The way I heard it, the paychecks for Phillips, Phoenix and Gaga were a big chunk of that price tag.
@crow1994-bl
@crow1994-bl День назад
If Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix felt so strongly that the original JOKER was a one-off and wasn't meant or needed to have a sequel, they should have refused to participate. They couldn't resist the $$$big bucks$$$ the studio offered them. Both of them have no integrity.
@ParkerCS2
@ParkerCS2 День назад
Good thing I’m never watching Folie a Poo Poo. I’m not taunting my enjoyment of the 2019 original.
@WushuKnight19
@WushuKnight19 День назад
Zack Synder's SuckerPunch had more going on. SUCKERPUNCH!
@TheGuruStud
@TheGuruStud День назад
SP is underrated. The metaphor is obvious, but the audience was still too dumb.
@bugeater16
@bugeater16 День назад
It's like Cameron making a sequel of Avatar in which the Na'vi turn out to sacrifice they children to Eywa and cannibalise their enemies while they are still alive. So you like those blue people, hah? I'll show you.
@skyevens8756
@skyevens8756 20 часов назад
Honestly that sounds awesome I want that movie.
@marvymarv959
@marvymarv959 19 часов назад
It was a movie about a mentally ill guy that stopped getting meds. At the end of part one he was back in a facility to get medication and back to being Fleck for part 2. It’s no one else’s fault you didn’t grasp that concept. You thought they would keep him off meds and let him be “joker”
@playpal9950
@playpal9950 17 часов назад
They massacred this character. It didn’t even serve a purpose other than to humiliate a character so many people liked in the first movie. He was a stand in for the fans.
@SamCalderas-nt6lv
@SamCalderas-nt6lv День назад
The mere fact that this movie got a standing ovation at a film festival, shows me that Hollywood was and is impressed by 💩 art, which Joker 2, IS.
@BlazingOwnager
@BlazingOwnager День назад
The minute I knew this was doomed was when I found out the musical numbers were just pop songs, and not hand crafted for the film. That just reeks of laziness and disconnectedness.
@thoriasunlimited4053
@thoriasunlimited4053 День назад
I know, right? If it's just a bunch of covers, then what's even the point?
@cowetascore8476
@cowetascore8476 День назад
I love how some of these Joker 2 apologists are trying to act like we don't see that this movie is a flaming pile of garbage while they smell their own farts and act like it has a bigger meaning.
@anotherthing
@anotherthing День назад
Hopefully he spoils the ending in this video. If you liked the first movie, and find out about the ending, you're really going to be pissed.
@lightdarksoul2097
@lightdarksoul2097 День назад
I expected it this dude never really was joker material anyway
@Jaco059
@Jaco059 День назад
@@lightdarksoul2097I expected an ok movie
@Hanmacx
@Hanmacx День назад
Only in current media, they make a Grape Scene as a Joke
@flowsilver-valhallagc
@flowsilver-valhallagc День назад
The struggle snuggle was portrayed as a joke because it happened to a guy. Modern Day, hooray. 🤮
@Luciphell
@Luciphell День назад
2:22 You mean kind of like how Frank Herbert reacted after his first Dune book came out and everyone loved Paul, so he ruined the character with his follow ups? Yeah
@XeroboxMedia
@XeroboxMedia День назад
Apathy, boredom, lol probably Rings of Power season finale finally broke him. All they had to do is like every batman series, break him out of prison early for him to assume his role as the prince of crime instead he regressed back like Thor still trying to find himself again. Visually stunning chorography without a good story line, just like Rings of Power.
@James_Bee
@James_Bee День назад
Hey, we got Whitney Houston in this movie. She needs to sing! Hey, we got Rhiana in this movie. She needs to sing! Hey, we got Lady Gaga in this movie. She needs to sing!
@lightdarksoul2097
@lightdarksoul2097 День назад
So did you have a point or just saying things
@James_Bee
@James_Bee День назад
Yes.
@_BhagavadGita
@_BhagavadGita День назад
It makes perfect sense to me: Joker 1 terrified the powers that be. I believe what happened is that orders came from the top to 'assassinate' Joker 1 because they couldn't risk the masses relating to Arthur. In reality, our elites are waging class warfare on a massive scale, and they don’t want us getting any dangerous ideas.
@JacobPaul-ix7oc
@JacobPaul-ix7oc День назад
It's a war between religious Conservative Fascism and atheistic Liberal Marxism. Reverse psychology is a technique involving the assertion of a belief or behavior that is opposite to the one desired, with the expectation that this approach will encourage the subject of the persuasion to do what is actually desired. Example: Use Liberals to assert Socialist/Marxist ideologies with the expectation this approach will encourage the majority of the population to go the direction of Conservative Fascism. Hegelian dialectic is an interpretive method used to relate specific entities or events to the absolute idea. It is a framework for guiding our thoughts and actions into conflicts that lead us to a predetermined solution. Hegelian Dialectic (simplified): Problem, Reaction, Solution Problem: Liberal Marxists threaten to turn the US and Western Civilization into a Communist society. Liberals have created social division, are ruining the economy, destroying art and demonize anyone who holds to traditional morals, values and ethics. Reaction: We need a leader and laws to fight back against the threat of Communism, restore us to our traditional moral and ethical values and “Make America Great Again”. Currently asserted belief or behavior by Liberal MSM, Academia, Corporations, Entertainment and Politicians. Step one of the "Four steps for ideological subversion" (Yuri Bezmenov, 1985) Demoralization - this is a process which can take about 15-30 years to perform (a generation). During this stage, the moral fibre and integrity of the country is put into question, thereby creating doubt in the minds of the people. To do so, manipulation of the media and academia is required to influence young people. As the younger generation embraces new values, such as Marxism and Leninism, the older generation slowly loses control simply through attrition. *Again, true facts no longer matter during this stage, but rather creating perceptions are of paramount importance.* ---While built on lies and misconceptions, the Liberals have been laying the groundwork "showing" that anyone who doesn't embrace modern art and "progressive" views, looking for Trump to save the US and restore the nation and society are Fascists. This is important and sets the stage when the US does, in fact, become a Fascist regime under Trump. Communism and Religion Abolished - all religious and metaphysics is rejected. Engels and Lenin agreed that religion was a drug or “spiritual booze” and must be combated. To them, atheism put into practice meant a “forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.” Eliminating American exceptionalism, fundamental change of national identity, structural deconstruction of foundational principles, elimination of religion. Embedding a new societal design upon the psyche of generations through ideological academia, peer pressure by elites upon academics and society to convince that prior values were inherently flawed, racist, prejudiced etc. National identity is diluted with aspersions toward historical references. National History is re-written, re-defined, and molded to fit the new intended behavioral model and create the new values. The Solution to the Liberal Marxist problem: A revolutionary change of power in which they "drain the swamp" and create a one-party system under Conservative rule. Look up the following: US Public Law One Zero Two dash One Four The Seven Laws of Noah Seven Mountains Mandate/Dominion Theology Conservatives, under the direction of the Roman Catholic Church, will enforce religious laws to "save society" and Make America Great Again, saying that we will earn God's grace and mercy if we follow these laws. These laws will bring death (including public executions), internment camps (for "education"), mass deportations and will cement the narrative of Trump and his followers being Fascists. *“[T]he useful idiots, the leftists who are idealistically believing in the beauty of the Soviet socialist or Communist or whatever system,* when they get disillusioned, they become the worst enemies. That’s why my KGB instructors specifically made the point: never bother with leftists. Forget about these political prostitutes. *Aim higher.* [...] They serve a purpose only at the stage of destabilization of a nation. *For example, your leftists in the United States: all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defenders. They are instrumental in the process of the subversion only to destabilize a nation. When their job is completed, they are not needed any more.* They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see that Marxist-Leninists come to power-obviously they get offended-they think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot.” The Liberals are used to create the perceptions, and the Conservatives then make those perceptions reality after being pushed by Liberals into retaliating against them. This creates a Fascist problem for the world to deal with, giving Russia the opportunity to strike and appear as the nation that saved the world from two Fascist regimes. Religion, particularly Christianity, and Capitalism will be seen as the world's greatest threats that must be eliminated, so a New World Order will be put into place under the direction of the Russian leader. Judeo Christian morals, values and ethics will be seen as evil and will be replaced by the new Law of "Do as thou wilt, you are your own god." You should read the book of Revelation, particularly chapters 17-18 since it is talking about the empire of the Roman Catholic Church in the Last Days and how it is destroyed. (Look up Russian "Satan-2" ICBM MIRV.)
@paulanderson2963
@paulanderson2963 День назад
The handmaid's tale is going to become a documentary about the future I guess.
@Aivottaja
@Aivottaja День назад
"""The elites"""
@disalazarg
@disalazarg День назад
​@@Aivottajastop noticing, you raycist.
@erroneous6947
@erroneous6947 День назад
Class warfare and social engineering are happening to be sure.
@scottyb8114
@scottyb8114 День назад
Another Hollywood production that Hate there fans.. strange 😢
@zombifiedpariah7392
@zombifiedpariah7392 День назад
I just don't understand...why tf do these demons in the entertainment business hate us so much? Every day I bust my ass getting yelled at by bosses and customers alike just to barely make rent. All I want is a little escapism, man. I don't need to be lectured about how evil or wrong I am for existing. 😢
@TheHangarHobbit
@TheHangarHobbit День назад
What amazes me is anybody is surprised by this; I mean read his interviews after the first one. He said quite clearly that he HATES comic book movies and that the only reason he called it Joker was so the studio would give him funding during the big superhero craze, he made it clear what he wanted to make was a gritty Taxi Driver style movie not a comic book movie. So with that attitude is it any surprise he got royally pissed that everyone saw it as a Joker movie instead of his "artistic vision" of a modern Taxi Driver with a fake name to troll the studio? This one is obviously his "FU if you want a Joker movie as i don't do comic book shit" and I'm sure he is LHAO that he got the studio to pay all the money so he can flip the whole world the bird in return. I get the feeling from his interviews he could not give a shit if it bombs as he can go back to his "artistic vision" with all the cash he made off these two ala Taika Waititi and just like Waititi nobody will remember him in 5 years.
@geneanthony3421
@geneanthony3421 День назад
I knew he didn't like superhero movie and wanted to do a real movie, but I thought he would take a similar take with this movie. Plus he built the Batman lore nicely into that movie so I was fine with it. I think there was a path for Joker 2 where he still could have made it work, but it seemed like he wanted to sabotage it. Maybe 5 years later (at least) where society had forgotten about him and he was in the4 Asylum for years. By the end he becomes more of the Dark Knight Joker than the needy one. Maybe rumors of a caped guy stopping crime.
@cb-gz1vl
@cb-gz1vl День назад
"Punishing the fans" Except for Deadpool and Wolverine that seems to be the theme of every movie, comic and video game that came out in the last 5 years.
@chasehedges6775
@chasehedges6775 День назад
💯💯💯💯👍. Definitely
@chasehedges6775
@chasehedges6775 День назад
Modern 2020 Hollywood despises us, it seems.
@craigmoon2121
@craigmoon2121 День назад
Spider-Man video games and No Way Home?
@KirkWilliamsIsBroken
@KirkWilliamsIsBroken День назад
It's like the film is designed to destroy the original & punish the audience for liking it.
@thoriasunlimited4053
@thoriasunlimited4053 День назад
Exactly my point.
@bloodrunsclear
@bloodrunsclear День назад
Who knew a movie that hates its audience…would be hated right back?
@AuraAkurie
@AuraAkurie День назад
I don't know what Todd hoped to accomplish with this film, but not only am I no longer interested in watching it, I'm no longer interested in watching ANYTHING that this man creates now. I'm sick and tired of these Hollywood jackasses that make movies for the sole purpose of basically shitting on the fans.
@JamieRobles1
@JamieRobles1 21 час назад
6:00 THAT, but also- Arthur is poor with no connections (no friends or family to help him.) So, the first movie shows what happens when you're poor and have no one but a public works service that may or may not be there next week because the government isn't seeing the results it wanted from it.
@JohnMack-f3f
@JohnMack-f3f День назад
The women Todd Phillips dates wouldn’t date him anymore unless he invalidates the messages in the first movie. Duh…
@kanteannightmare
@kanteannightmare День назад
Peer pressure the movie. He made a movie the people he wants to impress didn't like. Now to be of the in crowd, he sacrificed his artistic integrity ok the altar of fame.
@williamedwards4151
@williamedwards4151 День назад
-Creates protagonist. -Makes protagonist relatable and sympathetic. -Attacks audience for relating and sympathizing with protagonist. -Makes a terrible musical about it.
@homielander5924
@homielander5924 День назад
Walking Phoenix
@LostHorizons0
@LostHorizons0 День назад
Benwa keen
@MisterSinisterReviews
@MisterSinisterReviews День назад
Movie was a waste of time. I like your review bub. Keep it up.
@MelancoliaI
@MelancoliaI День назад
Todd Phillips is a mediocre director who had a fluke success with a Scorsese pastiche (bordering on ripoff) with a very talented actor in the first Joker.
@deltacommando130
@deltacommando130 21 час назад
There are people who sympathize (or outright support) the worst possible vilain characters imaginable. Far cry comes to mind, Vass is kind of in the arthur camp, but a bit worse since he kills indiscriminately (almost being shagged and shafted by your sister isn't a good excuse to be a murderous asshole) and Pagan is damn near unjustifiable considering he was always a murderous psycho, but he got worse when his daughter was killed. And yet, somehow, I've seen people form a cult around the latter guy and justify or excuse all his atrocities, because he's charismatic and lost a child (and apparently these people lack father figures in their lives...). So if the goal was NOT to make the Joker sympathetic, it would be impossible even if he was completely in the wrong, because some weirdos out their will find a way to not only empathize, but also outright endorse him, for reasons that are beyond me.
@leandrodevilsummoner
@leandrodevilsummoner День назад
This movie really made Thorias angry, Joker wasn't supposed to be a sequel. good job sir Thorias
@derrickchoyce770
@derrickchoyce770 14 часов назад
Thanks for taking one for the team. Never saw the first one no plan on seeing this one.
@Ralndrath
@Ralndrath День назад
Joker made me realize my own mental health problems and finally get help. It definitely helped me in that regard because while I didn’t agree with what Arthur Fleck did I sympathized with him and didn't want ro ever go that way.
@uuddlrlrbas9904
@uuddlrlrbas9904 День назад
I said this somewhere else but I'll say it again. Todd Philips actually woke up and said, "whoops, actually made a good movie. Gotta fix that."
@bigdoubleu117
@bigdoubleu117 6 часов назад
Todd Phillips just needs to retire. Every time he builds up a fanbase like with The Hangover. He just sh!ts the bed with the sequel just to spite the fans.
@Donatello40973
@Donatello40973 День назад
Honestly , the title of this movie , alone , was dumb . Then , they decided to cast a divisive figure , Lady Gaga . That's going to wipe out a good portion of your audience , right off the bat .
@oathy03
@oathy03 День назад
1st film I loved I rarely watch ones based on Superhero's etc. But you could see the way society had created this "monster" at the time there was outcry about the signal it was sending. When it ended with his footsteps soaked in blood that was a perfect way to just end it when they announced a Musical I knew then it was going to be a disaster. The acting isn't the problem why did the suits allow this film? it should either have complimented the 1st or just take the billion dollars and walk away. Someone else made a comment, this is actually another film dressed as the Joker instead of creating that film with new characters he decided to use it as the foundation for this. Think its safe to say no incoming Oscar nominations
@Nightman221k
@Nightman221k День назад
Maybe Todd Philips will kill his career out of spite. I'm not gonna miss his directing TBH. The first movie was maudlin and depressing. People went to see it in droves because the media made a big stir saying it would radicalize people because ... genuinely society these days is pretty bleak (just look at North Carolina and the response our government has to our own people dying). But were that many people so attached to Arthur Fleck that he was their role model. Like lastingly and culturally? I think Todd Philips is inflating his ego thinking he has to quell a large swath of people into a lecture saying how, "he's not good actually." Yeah, duh, thanks for telling people with no media literacy that but everyone else got it in the first movie.
@Book-Mark
@Book-Mark День назад
Par for the course. "Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face -- for ever.' Like something for reasons we have not prescribed and we facilitate it's destruction.
@patrickmcgavin2245
@patrickmcgavin2245 День назад
Idc about the joker... the movie joker not! the character. Bc I'm not a fan of movies or shows where the main character Batman,Spider-Man etc. isn't in it. Especially when the characters created after the hero, show up before the hero. That's why I didn't go to see the first joker. I know you hate Smallville, but at least Smallville had the main character Kal-El/Clark Kent. There were episodes, that were about side characters, but Clark was at the center of it all. Like the episode where a kid he meets is dying of cancer. And Clark has to learn, no matter who he is, or the powers he has, he can't! save everyone.
@Anya33888
@Anya33888 День назад
Hey Thorias, you're one of my favorite RU-vidrs. All of your videos are histarical. Keep it up buddy!
@thoriasunlimited4053
@thoriasunlimited4053 День назад
I do my best. Thanks for the tip.
@thegeekkid1
@thegeekkid1 День назад
Yeah I remember when it was announced as a musical I said oh yea it’s definitely gonna fail .
@Slothful_Healing
@Slothful_Healing День назад
No one went gaga over this one. Can't say I blame them. This was rough. I walked out of the first one feeling like I enjoyed the movie. I walked out of the second one feeling depressed. I had to watch kitten videos to feel something again.
@bjornskivids
@bjornskivids День назад
You weren't supposed to relate to Arthur. So he got The Punisher treatment.
@2tone209
@2tone209 День назад
AY UP THORIAS
@GingerZombie29
@GingerZombie29 День назад
The sequel never should have happened.
@pyaarzindegi1346
@pyaarzindegi1346 День назад
So sad to see Hollywood creatively in the toilet 😕
@aaronh8179
@aaronh8179 День назад
As an admirer of the first film and who owns a limited steel book UHD Blu-ray edition of Joker … thank you. Your particular commentary ripping the sequel apart saves me a trip to the movies. Thumbs up to your brutally incisive insight. Todd Phillips and co-screenwriter Scott Silver and the studio executives who funded this bomb hate the audience.
@thoriasunlimited4053
@thoriasunlimited4053 День назад
Thanks for the tip.
@duelmonitor
@duelmonitor День назад
Thanks for this. I wasn't planning on watching it... but now... you've convinced me... to go watch it!
@thoriasunlimited4053
@thoriasunlimited4053 День назад
That... was not my intention.
@shinra358
@shinra358 День назад
Bro so angry, he starting to look like Magneto XD
@ronwilliams9985
@ronwilliams9985 День назад
Todd Phillips is new Rian Johnson.
@haitianjedi9411
@haitianjedi9411 День назад
Thank you...money quietly stays in pocket...
@thoriasunlimited4053
@thoriasunlimited4053 День назад
You made the right decision.
@ugan2
@ugan2 День назад
Haven't seen the film but planned to and you're like the second or third person I saw make similar comments. Honestly, how you laid it out. It could have been a good take on how serial killers and pscyopaths have their fanbases and how messed up that is because at the end of the day, they're losers who have basically been enabled. Heck, this could have also been a good take on how the Jokerz gang came to be. Except if it's true that it also goes out of its way to make the audience feel bad for liking the character then that's a huge fumble.
@osets2117
@osets2117 День назад
I've seen the exact same comments from EVERY reviewer I watch, around 8-9 of them
@KoongYe
@KoongYe День назад
Harley Queen? more like Hardly Queen.
@spittinvenom9843
@spittinvenom9843 День назад
Spent 200M to insult the fan base, could’ve done it cheaper
@studio96films65
@studio96films65 День назад
Todd Philips did say when the first movie came out he wanted to make a dark and serious movie under the guise of a comic book movie.
@ParkerCS2
@ParkerCS2 День назад
The Penguin meanwhile is great.
@christisrisen6774
@christisrisen6774 День назад
Its is good too bad its being released WEEKLY.
@ParkerCS2
@ParkerCS2 День назад
@@christisrisen6774 yeah well to be fair HBO needs viewership ratings to last longer than releasing all at once
@Sprmny22
@Sprmny22 День назад
Gary, the little guy, had the best scene hands down. Such a powerful moment that was brushed away.
@thoriasunlimited4053
@thoriasunlimited4053 День назад
Yeah, that was a good scene. Too bad the film was probably unsalvageable at that point.
@rayharvey1330
@rayharvey1330 День назад
They should have made it a jail break movie...and ripped off something like Escape from Alcatraz or The Shawshank Redemption) 🧐
@shadowandroid1823
@shadowandroid1823 День назад
They made it bad on purpose.
@aceillk
@aceillk День назад
I really enjoy your reviews. Very intelligent, analytical and insightful
@thoriasunlimited4053
@thoriasunlimited4053 День назад
Thanks for watching.
@derrickchoyce770
@derrickchoyce770 14 часов назад
Thanks!
@RichterTheEternal
@RichterTheEternal 21 час назад
I hate bait and switch movies like this. Very annoying…
@Radca73
@Radca73 День назад
1. This movie is called "Joker: (something something in French)". And this is a great joke on those, who belived it's an anty-hero movie. 2. First Joker wasn't too. It was all about sad, weak person, who lived his fantasies. 3. In first movie there is a scene, when Arthur fantasies about his appearence in Murray Franklin show: his witty and funny responces gain enthusiastic applause of the audience. And in the culmination of the show he takes his gun and shoot himself in the head. And after that we can see reality, when Arthur gets riddiculed and shamed by Murray, when he is not a someone, who become his fantasies. Then he gets angry and shoot the host. 4. And this was real message of first movie: Arthur is weak, pathetic looser, who can't deal with his emotions and hides behind his imaginary version of himself, behind a Joker which he want to be. But he's not. 5. But many viewers saw him as a hero, who crossed breaking point and stand against all bullies and mean assholes. Well, you didn't payed attention. Or you are also living in a fantasy, where Arthur is a Joker. 6. Spoiler alert: Arthur is not a Joker. He never was. 7. And here comes a best part: the second part is more straight forward with this message - Arthur is a looser. And angry fans (who didn't understand first movie) are pissed. 8. And this joke is really funny. 9. About songs in the musicals - I've heard lately many times, that songs in musicals push a narration forward. Any examples? "Memory" from Cats? "Tonight" from West Side Story? "Tradition" from Fiddler on the roof? For me - I can be wrong - it's a tool to present feelings of the character. And same purpose have all songs in the "Joker 2". 10. Not mentioning that music was a vital part of the first movie. So those movies are not so different. 11. And please, don't tell me you want a Batman in this movie. We know from a first one that Bruce Wayne is about 10 years old. 12. It makes sense, cause ARTHUR IS NOT A JOKER. 13. And about social commentary you request - it is loud and clear, maybe this time even more forefront. If you are nobody, no one cares about you. If you get attention of the crowd, many human leaches comes to you, to gain fame, power or money. No one cares about Arthur. Everyone want to exploit Joker - even if this harm him. 14. Social commentary good enough? 15. By the way: Lee character is very important to the movie. She makes Arthur to go back to his fantasy again. Without her - that would be dull movie. About lifeless Arthur silenced by a pills. 16. Yes, end of this movie is sad and depressing. By design. Happy ending probably would be more appealing to the audience. But this was an aristic decision of the director to polarise an audience. 17. But mostly you should accept a joke on you, cause ARTHUR IS NOT A JOKER as you - and many fans - wished. 18. But don't be sad, it's not a joke on you only. It was also a joke on Warner Brothers, who was expecting all this profits from a sequel. And probably it will flop. 19. And it's a joke on journalist, who was angry about violent influence of the first movie on the audience. But again it's misunderstanding of the source material. Cause Arthur should be considered as a looser, not a hero. And no one should identify with him. 20. And a final thought about this movie: it was a story, which Todd Phillips wanted to tell. We can accept it or reject it. But even if we didn't liked it, it doesn't change a fact this is a good movie. At least for me. 21. And I appreciate this joke on me.
@beckerod777
@beckerod777 День назад
Thanks for the review. I will definitely not watch this movie now. I don't need Hollywood to tell me how stupid I am for thinking or feeling the way I do and how they know better than I do how to live and think. I just want to be entertained and not attacked.
@Picnicl
@Picnicl День назад
You'll get your imaginary Joker killings in this movie. Entertainment comes in many forms.
@milestrombley1466
@milestrombley1466 День назад
It's like he made the sequel to ruin the first movie.
@DabionFreedom
@DabionFreedom День назад
in my opinion, Thorias. I thought the first Joker film sucked. so I'm definitely not going to watch this one. I will stick with my three favourite live action Jokers. Jack Nicholson. Jared Leto & Cameron Monaghan. also I would rather go watch Venom 3: The Last Dance, instead. :)
@crisbwilliams
@crisbwilliams День назад
He made his own “Book of Shadows - Blair Witch”….
@chasehedges6775
@chasehedges6775 День назад
THIS💯😂😂
@sigmata0
@sigmata0 День назад
Thank you for the review. I do appreciate your efforts. I do wonder if this is indicative of the general strategy for story telling in the modern era. It seems like a lot of folks decide that when a story doesn't meet the ideological requirements of some part of the population, they feel they need to intervene to correct the problem (as they see it). It's like a constant social pressure to rework "problematic" stories so as the "correct thinking" can emerge. It affirms the notion that we can't trust modern story tellers because even if something appears which is interesting or engaging, they will do their upmost to tear it down in their next outing. It's the fragmentation of stories of substance, where an audience who is attracted to the original story is suckered into thinking the next iteration will be equally engaging only to be told in blunt terms that we should never have found the original interesting in the first place. I watched the first movie with heavy emotional guards up, due to the subject matter. It was a good enough movie. Nothing very deep or novel to my mind. I certainly didn't take away any sense of it being some grand commentary on today's society. It was serviceable and the acting was well done. This new one just seems like something to outright avoid. I don't need any other commentary on what the original author thought about the character he portrayed. As with a lot of art, the intention of the artist is independent to the interpretation of the viewer. So if the artist didn't like the way some people interpreted his work, then he's telling me he was a bad artist who couldn't convey what he intended his work to present. That personal interpretation is positive doesn't make the artist good, it only makes the art good in my eyes. Artists can easily get very egotistical about their work if they don't watch for mismatches between their intentions and the actual interpretations of their art. Fundamentally artists don't have control over the interpretations their art can generate. The most they have is some measure of influence. To why he might do this I can only guess. Perhaps the powers that be told him he wouldn't work again unless he corrected "his error". He could have presented this movie as a F U to the studio. He could genuinely be concerned about how the original movie was interpreted in some quarters. What he doesn't seem to be concerned with at all is the story of the Joker and it's a deep failure that the movie had that title in the first place, as that character has a lot of history and lore associated with it. Artists should be held to a higher standard when dealing with characters with treasured histories. In this aspect, whether he intended to do so or not, he has had deep disregard for the fans of this character. Something I think will follow him in his career for the rest of his life.
@steelhere5519
@steelhere5519 6 часов назад
- The next musical should star The Hulk and Vision as roommates searching for love and compassion.
@emirlsanchos6302
@emirlsanchos6302 День назад
Todd folded in the face of the media's hostility towards The Joker, Arthur Fleck, and how audiences sympathized/identified with his struggles without condoning his actions. Resulting in a follow-up that was equal parts atonement to the woke religion, passive-aggressive shaming of the audience, undignified humiliation of Arthur himself, and a grating lecture on how we missed the mark of Todd's original intention in the first movie. Yet I'll still hold a place in my heart for the first outing to spite him. He and Hollywood can't dictate how I should feel about an anti-hero.
@featherguardian6023
@featherguardian6023 День назад
The Sequel of an Underrated Movie That Nobody Asked and like the Hangover Sequels, Joker 2 looks pretty Pointless from the Moment it was Announced.
@anthonyguidas2012
@anthonyguidas2012 День назад
Hollywood will never learn that not every movie needs a sequel.
@trueblaze84
@trueblaze84 День назад
Let's put it this way, I hated musicals so much when I was younger that when I was in collage I turned down free pizza because I would have had to watch Singing in the Rain while eating it.
@meccasoldier
@meccasoldier День назад
Woah man calm down wife is on this app stop being so alpha
@ObsidianFane
@ObsidianFane День назад
Like whoa....you turned down free pizza? Bro, save some alpha for the rest of us
@ParkerCS2
@ParkerCS2 День назад
Gladiator 2 is doa
@SiriuslyBlack7
@SiriuslyBlack7 День назад
Bottom line:Taxi Driver didn't need a sequel to remain legendary in the eyes of cinematic history. Nor did The King of Comedy,The Sound of Music,La La Land,or even A Star is Born..This movie is a perfect description of what happens to a monumental piece of cinema when the studios begin crunching numbers,counting box office dollars and demanding sequels and reboots when none are needed..Martin Scorsese?fine..You win.
@Rhamsody
@Rhamsody День назад
Todd Phillips hates Joker the way Eric Kripke hates Homelander; and the respective audience for both.
@Gyrfalcon-312
@Gyrfalcon-312 День назад
Way to go, Todd. Fuckin' up the movie experience for the rest of us.
@xanter7772001
@xanter7772001 16 часов назад
In essence, the director acted as meanly as Harley and the crowd of Joker fans who supposedly do not care about Arthur and his problems. He simply uses the image of a broken man for his meta-commentary, which humiliates this broken man even more. And this meta-commentary makes sense to some extent, but in the context of the first part it looks one-sided. The first film accidentally or intentionally touched a nerve with people who could experience the same hardships of life and not see a way out, and who liked the film for exploring this topic, while no one says that Artois's actions are noble. But Phillips decided to reduce all the fans of the film to freaks who just want to destroy everything and also blew off Arthur's problems and the problems that the first film raised. And in the 2nd film, he completely blew off what led Arthur to where he ended up and essentially turns all the violence against him into some kind of norm that you can't argue with, in the form of the same Gleeson character. But Arthur's fans, who may have encountered similar problems, are freaks. And in essence, it turns out that it is natural if a person who was humiliated and raped since childhood is simply raped and killed again, but when he tries to respond in kind, it is not normal (although this is truly terrible, but this is the tragedy, that Arthur tried to be good until the very end). Then what is all the talk about inclusivity?
@R-Lee-
@R-Lee- День назад
It made a billion dollars? If a movie makes any profit at all it's getting a sequel nowadays. That's why we got Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. The original Beetlejuice made 85 million on a 15 million budget, but didn't get a sequel. Those days are over. And Beetlejuice Beetlejuice is the proof.