In the original robot chicken bit he survives way longer because batman put a dry sponge on his head making electricity go away from his head prolonging his death lmao
There is a movie where joker falls into ocean water with his electric glove active, gets shocked and freaking sinks to the bottom, ten minutes later he is talking to the penguin and a vampire eats him.
"I won't kill you!" "That somehow means I win!" Unless I'm mistaken, I believe Joker's whole thing is that he wants Batman to kill him because then he'd be betraying his morals, which he considers to be the ultimate joke. Or something like that.
There was a Batman and Punisher crossover. When Frank put a gun to Joker’s head, he stopped smiling and was actually shitting bricks because Frank would feel nothing after or while killing The Joker. That’s one of his ultimate fears: being killed by someone who doesn’t care/wouldn’t change from it and being forgotten after he died
People seem to forget that when making the argument that batman should kill him, especially in the injustice universe, where we see what happens when Superman does it.
@@connerharvey548 If not Batman, then the government. There’s no reason why the government hasn’t stepped in and said “This guy redefined war crimes, we’ll put him down”
I believe it falls into his philosophy of "anyone can be like me after one bad day," and his perceived bad day for batman is breaking his morals by killing Joker.
Batman is a character that in principle, it’s not willing to give up on anyone regardless of how far gone they’re, that’s why on some iterations (namely the animated series) he’s goes through great lengths to rehabilitate his villains, this is all rooted from the trauma that fell upon him as a Kid, Batman is the hero that that little Bruce Wayne needed, not the one that kills or beats the lungs out of Joe Chill, but the one that either scares him to not pull the trigger… Or the one that prevents Joe Chill from killing by helping him, and that speaks volumes of what is essentially Batman. Joker however is the folly of that principle of his, when a Joe Chill is never going to be reformed or scared. If Batman kills Joker/Joe Chill, then he’s giving up on someone, is that abandonment of hope that Bruce fears the most.
Reminds me of a line from Xavier Renegade Angel when a villian is melting in a pool of lava "aaaaaaaIacceptJesusChristintomyheartasmypersonalsaviorYes!Madeit!"
The villain plot armour of not getting the death penalty is incredibly strong. I have no doubt that if he ever did get the chair, he'd get lightning powers
The issue is, Joker can plead insanity of criminal charges since he is insane, after all. That's part of the reason he's afraid of the IRS. You can't plead insanity to tax evasion
I love how in the original Robot Chicken sketch Batman looks all smug when he says "it's ah...it's outta my hands!" but in this he looks genuinely remorseful about it. It feels weirdly in-character for him.
I mean its the obvious joke. The line that directly proceeded it was, "And due to the persuadive testimony of the Batman, thank you Batman, the court has decided on the death penalty."
The funny thing is, in the comics, Batman was testifying in the trial where Harvey Dent was turned into Two-Face. Costume and all. Meaning he could very well canonically do this
I've often wondered if they could feasibly pass a law that makes legally recongized superhero identities legally distinct people from their civilian lives. Not the same company, but I should check She-Hulk. If anyone's thought of addressing that one, or the issue of testifying in general, it'd be in her comics.
@@bowenorcutt78In DC comics there’s the Federal Authority of Registered Meta-Humans which allows a superhero to testify in full costume. Edit. I found the comic. It was The Flash v.2 #135. Green Lanturn testify s in court.
I love this one from Robot Chicken. Not only that Mark Hamill is the one that voices Joker, but it also shows that Batman finally said "fuck it" and that enough is enough and let the law do the all the work.
@@cpaul562 Key shtick of Batman villains is Gotham's corruption, I think most of the police would try to protect him. Still not beating the million plus angry folks charging at him though.
@@amog8202idk. I still feel like Gotham police would still try to kill Joker. NO ONE likes the joker. He's just insane with no end goal. He's a literal joke of a crinimal that only reason he got so far is because of plot reasons and no one actually punishing him.
He'd either get the Whitey Bulger treatment, or else he'd have an "accident" in the police car and "hit his head". Or the cop could just shoot him and claim self-defence, is anyone going to question it with such a psycho?
Yeah, Mark Hamill has regularly done his most famous roles for Robot Chicken for years. Might be part of the reason why Robot Chicken does so many Star Wars specials and so many DC specials...
Fun Fact: In the original short he died so slowly because Commissioner Gordon put a dry sponge on his head (For context: People who are put in the electric chair get a wet sponge put on their heads to direct the electricity towards the brain for a quick death, a dry sponge wouldn't do that and so the Joker was just being cooked alive)
There is also the factor that the Joker, along with almost all of Batmans villains, has never been detained through legal means and almost all evidence being obtained illegally means there is no legal way a court case can be held. Batman causes his own vicious cycles.
@@berkstien1289The Doctrine that illegally-obtained evidence is thrown out only applies to when the govt gets that evidence. As Batman is a vigilante, any of his evidence is still fair game.
I get the feeling that, were this to happen in the "real world", Gordon could've gotten a lethal force order signed before it was even off the printer by any half-competent judge in any jurisdiction that included Gotham, waited for the inevitable Joker v Batman confrontation, then stuck a marksman on a roof to watch. Legally sloppy? Yep, but nobody would care as long as an incorrigible mass-murderer bit it.
@@Zabor-ny3coIf you think about it (in a morbid way) that's a more fitting punishment then death. Getting all your bones broken by Batman for 10 minutes straight is probably a lot more painful then a swift death.
This has now opened my eyes to the fact that the reason death penalties arent used in superhero media is that theres like... a 20% that whatever penalty will just give the villan more superpowers somehow
LMAO exactly 😭 whether bit by a spider, exposed to radioactive material, electrocuted, or thrown into a vat of acid... they all come out with more powers somehow 💀
In the golden age comics joker gets the death penalty, but he plans for his goons to get his dead body and revive him. And since he died he becomes a free citizen that has paid society for all his crimes.
If Joker trial was done in real life, regardless of how insane Joker is they probably just execute him considering the the amount of crime he committed.
If the Joker trial was done in real life, he'd be put into a facility that he can't escape from, and it would work. The problem with these comics isn't so much that the choices don't make sense, it's that the perpetuity of events don't make sense.
That or if all but one juror dont know who the joker is and they dont listen to him and they end up letting him go only to see what he does later and realizes they done f**cked up
Sometimes someone can be saved and redeemed, even when they have done horrible things. But sometimes, you just can't save them. It's like Mace Windu said: He's too dangerous to be left alive.".
Honestly, it's weird that they always rule for insanity instead of giving him the death penalty he deserves... Batman's no-kill rule would be fine if the courts actually did their job.
@@Alexander59059 has he ever tried to stop a judge from sentencing a Rogue to death? If no, then my argument still stands. Batman usually tries to stop any murders that are outside of law ("You are not the one to decide" style)
@@mechavos4066 Because that would "Disrespect the legacy of one of the most iconic rivalries in comic book history" and the authors *usually* can't make good profit margin money from a batman comic that doesn't star the joker. So why should the author kill him in a simple manner?
Not only is the animation amazing, the expressions beautifully exaggerated and funny, and the designs CRISP, but you also managed to make this skit 10x funnier. Thank you sm for doing this, it's absolutely jaw droppingly good 🙏
Seriously with all the chaos, pain and strife he’s committed he’s completely beyond redemption and regardless of his mental insanity this would be the only punishment that would stop him permanently.
Exactly. Also, Red Hood has a more moral compass than that of Bruce Wayne. We know Red Hood has a very strong sense of justice and will only kill the irredeemable criminals, like Joker, to save thousands or millions from being sacrificed. So Red Hood’s the real hero.
@@rabbialmodovar7231 While I agree with you that Red Hood does have a point about killing one to save millions it’s like Bruce said it’s a very grey area and once you’ve killed once it’s very hard to come back from that. I mean look how far Superman went after killing the Joker in the Injustice series, he was willing to rule with an iron fist killing or severely punishing anyone who stepped out of line. Batman has that no killing rule to stop that from happening.
Let's be real. The single most unbelievable thing in all of Batmans comics, the insanely corrupt cops in Gotham never took the 5 seconds to cap Joker in the back of a squad car.
I wouldn't have believed the level of corruption 4 years ago, but then BLM happened to Portland, California and Chicago, and now it seems like comics have now underplayed how bad corruption can get.
@@redjoker365 You mean the original people who were out around 2010? Wait I think it was even earlier than that. It's been co-oped for nearly as long as most people have been aware of BLM. Certainly since occupy wall street.
Somehow killing him means he wins, too. I don't know why Batman lets him in his head like that. Joker's like a little psychopath on the playground taken to the natural extreme. If his antics make you mad, he wins. If you restrain yourself, he wins on the basis of not having enough opposition to stop him. But neither of those things is true. He just wants you to think they are.
@@________dQw4w9WgXcQ Someone needs to take it out of his hands, for sure. It's hard to gain perspective on a conflict you're always embroiled in and never get any distance from.
For those that don’t know, people diagnosed with insanity don’t get the death penalty in the US. They are deemed “not in a right state of mind” when they committed their crimes and admitted to a asylum. There have actually been people who, when asked what they think their punishment should be, said the death penalty. But because they were diagnosed as insane, they instead went to an institution. Also, if you try to plead insanity, be prepared for a horrible time. Insane asylums are arguably a fate worse than death for sane people pretending to be insane.
This is to an extant true, but the thing to keep in mind with the Joker is that he doesn't meet the legal requirements for the insanity defense. Pleading insanity requires the person to have probably been in a state of mind where they couldn't have understood the consequences of their actions. Joker is both far too intelligent and far to deliberate for anyone to believe he didn't understand that his actions would kill people. Also, unlike in comics, it's incredibly difficult for legally insane people to escape the mental institutions they're sent to, and they are often in these institutions for just as long if not longer than if they had been sent to prison for the same crime, with the obvious exception for if they would have been granted the death penalty, but they usually have to spend the rest of their lives in institutions so it's not that much better.
@@The_Lord_of_Cryptids Not to mention if you break out of super max for insane people (Arkham) the US government isn't going to do nothing about it. Especailly when you are a domestic terrorist with a massive body count and acts involving chemical weapons. State and Federal police would be brought in and with a threat like the Joker the national guard and some specail forces as well. Joker's only chance at life would be to stay in that asylum. The moment he breaks out the police are unlikely to take him alive and depending on th carnage he causes the federal government could just order a rendition killing. Gotham PD wouldn't even be handling this the moment Joker started making chemical weapons. The FBI and the Office of Chemical and Biological Warfare would be involved. It is unlikely Joker wouldn't be immediately put down after the first incident. Yet people ask why doesn't an unelected man be judge, jury and executioner. Without understanding he is written to always get the bad guy. In real life his rate would be considerably lower and brutality would violate the law as excessive force. He goes around killing people and the federal government will put an end to it. The real question is why does the federal government do nothing about what are basically domestic terrorists. Insanity plea isn't going to save any of these people. Penguin depending on the iteration might be one of the few villains who legit wouldn't be put down by the government as he's basically a mob boss. He'd likely cut a deal with the CIA which we find out he has in the Suicide Squad Animated Movie (Cadmis not CIA, but same difference). The government gives him more leeway because of this.
Well also most places haven't done the death penalty in decades If we go by the comics releases yea he probably should have cause he clearly isn't actually legally insane. He is INSANE but he knows what he's doing. But death penalty as far as I know now in 2023 is legal in only 2 states now only one of them having done it since 2000
I’ve always wondered why they didn’t do this. Someone who killed as many as him and escaped as many times as he has would ABSOLUTELY get the death penalty. It doesn’t matter what Batman wants.
As soon as Joker or any other criminal is delivered into police custody the vigilantism part is over. This means it really IS the court's failure if they don't get a death sentence for their repeated deadly offences. If you seriously want Batman to kill the Joker and others then you kinda have to be cool with the idea of living in a world policed by murderous super-vigilantees, or maybe just wait until he acquires a bat-gavel and a bat-judiciary licence.
I always found the idea of "punisher would clean up Gotham in a week" very damn stupid cuz not only would punisher just straight up die since most of bats villains have genius level intellect and don't confront you head on then there's the superhumans like bane,croc, amygdala,clay face,manbat,Grundy, killer croc that would rip him in half like a tissue. The problems in Gotham are more due to its economic and social problems which the Bruce Wayne persona tries to fix
If the Joker actually put Batman's or any other person's life in immediate peril, Batman would be lawfully empowered to exercise lethal force in defense of self or others. Unless, of course, Gotham is just another Proggy shithole. =9[.]9=
@@chideraumejiaku3895and he can't because Gotham has around six different curses affecting it at any one time, and depending on the comics you read, Gotham itself is built on cursed ground
You really gave this Robot Chicken sketch a glowup. Great job! Also I feel like the chair would be more merciful than having Spider-Man sent after them.
@@jonahsumner9151or the time Doc Ock took over Peter’s mind and became the Superior Spider-Man then executed a guy at point blank range with a gun, and not to mention what happened on the raft to Smythe, the Vulture, Scorpion, and Boomerang
@@b1gamer68 that's not the point I was making foo. Smh. It was that this was an already existing sketch foo. Smh. Take your head out of your ass foo smh. Trying to be a smart ass over there foo. Smh.
@@Akira-cd2qs Every person in Gotham including the legal system is incredibly corrupt, Joker is such a nervous planner that he might have people on the inside keeping him around
@@orangeinkius7257Honestly, they'd probably still kill joker. I can't imagine him being liked by anyone in real life. Needs a corrupt mob running the place? There's always penguin and black mask. At least they won't randomly kill you as a joke. Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if they paid for joker's demises. Win win for everyone.
@lightningpenguin8937 I'm the most surprised that the joker hasn't been shot by some random guy with a self-defense gun during one of the joker's many public appearances for schemes. Gotham is so full of crime that someone if not everyone should be packing heat. For that matter, why hasn't a cop shot him yet?
To be fair, Batman not killing makes sense even without his trauma. He’s not a dictator. If the citizens want to change the law to kill the villains, that’s their responsibility. He’s not their pet hitman.
I think it would make more sense considering the joker's ruthlessness that, every time he IS given the death penalty, he somehow escapes and everyone involved in the trial ends up dead. This would explain why nobody in their right mind seems to want to just get him executed and over with because, with his track record, it would be a death sentence to attempt it. Hell you could even have lex luthor and other villains chip in to getting the joker rescued, the idea being as long as the joker is around batman has a big enough threat back in gotham to leave the other big time villains mostly alone. Makes more sense than just going with the insanity plea. At least batman's no kill thing makes sense considering he is also somewhat mentally damaged and afraid he might do the same shit the joker does if he gives in, but the justice system has done worse to people for less than the joker has so it makes no sense hes managed to go this long without being executed without there being some sort of threat or bribery to the people in court.
@@Briselance ....because they would be replaced? I mena the jury would be easiest because they dont stay the same trial to trial anyway,but they would eventually find another judge to take the place of the one that ended up dead.
It cut the best part, the part where it's revealed that the reason Joker’s execution was botched was because Gordon took off the wet sponge placed on top of his head, whenever someone is placed in an electric chair, a wet sponge is sat atop their head so that the electricity conducts directly onto their brain, without this, the electricity runs rampant throughout the convict's body basically bursting every vain and nerve from their head to their toes.
Nah, the best part is the *next* next scene, where Batman is about to punch Gordon, only to reveal he did the same thing, and they both laugh it off lmao
When it comes to Joker, he’d have gotten the death penalty a long time ago. There’s gotta be *some* limit to the whole “not guilty by reason of insanity”
There is it's called tax evasion you cannot claim insanity for tax evasion that's why the joker is canonically terrified of the IRS besides that no they can't kill him because then they'd be breaking the law and no the government doesn't give a shit about how many people he's killed the law is the law
Actually- joker would not be eligible for an insanity defence in the real world. You have to demonstrate that you did not understand, due to your insanity, that what you were doing was illegal. Joker has numerous escape plans and plans for when law enforcement arrives, proving he is well aware of the illegality of his actions.
Imagine if his execution was death by firing squad, and Bruce Wayne was one of the gunmen. Hey, he's not wearing a cowl; it wouldn't be out of character for him.
Yes it would out of character for Batman to use a *gun* to *kill* the joker. And there no way the police force would have a civilian be a gunman. It’s part of why Batman is beloved hero is that he will never kill and if he ever did kill it be 1. Under special circumstances where it’s a last result or there no other way 2. He would give up being Batman like what happened in beyond whew he used a gun to scare off a random thug.
@@jonahsumner9151 and alfred's no joke either. Combat medic, military training, MI6 (the british spy service), he spars and keeps up with the Batman on occasion, cleans every room of the mansion including the bat cave, and quite probably has training in all small and explosive arms as he has used a rocket launcher and blunderbuss before.
I genuinely find it weird how Gotham's courts (as corrupt as they probably are) have not given the Joker the death penalty, i mean even Batman ends up almost snapping the guy's neck and leaving him to die quite a few times actually.
Apparently in-universe the legal loop-hole is that because he is violently brough in by a vigilante (no Miranda rights, etc) he can not be tried under criminal law and that is why they send him to the asylum instead.
@@bluexgreen1If thats true then I really put even more blame on the courts and cops for Joker. Everyone knows cops and even the FBI stand no chance against a monster who is as tricky as Batman and almost as inhumanly skilled yet don't shoot on site when they have the chance?
@@Flamme-Sanabi In at least some states such as Florida, you can not be executed if you have active mental illness. Even if you are given the death penalty, if a corrections psychiatrist deems the perpetrator to have impaired capacity due to psychiatric reasons (at the time of incarceration, not the time of the crime) there can be no execution. The execution can occur when/if the inmate becomes lucid. This is significant for inmates with intermittent exacerbation of mental illness such as schizophrenic breaks, as well as for just plain faking.
Well, you can be forgiven, but you still have to make restitution for the temporal effects of the transgressions, and that may include the death penalty.
@@timopper5488 Asking the big J for forgiveness after doing heinous things is a bit of a cop-out in my opinion. Being an objectively horrible person, then claiming that you accept Jesus as "your savior" shouldn't be a get-out-of-jail-free card in the afterlife, assuming the Christian version of it is correct. Of course, Joker could also be judged by Hades and placed in a deep pit in Tartarus.
@@blam320 depends on the branch of Christianity. All agree that you can repent and be forgiven by god for basically anything, but the means of repentance differ a bit. For some simply accepting Jesus as your savior is enough and you are forgiven of all sins, which would theoretically more mean that you wouldn’t do heinous things anymore, because you understand that Jesus wouldn’t and admonishes such behavior. But some people unironically take it as a “I can sin all I want” card Others say you can sin but you must repent afterwards, typically this means a genuine apology to god. And if you are truly apologetic and regretful, you would cease your ways. This one has less get out of jail free cards because the churches typically say “can’t just go oh whoops I’m sorry, now back to what I’m doing!” Others have high authority given to the church and the priests are given the authority of god to forgive you for your sins This one seems the most silly to me, and historically has the most… unchristlike clergy men
I thought this was the Robot Chicken audio and checked the description, it is. Nice choice. Good animation as well. Truly unnerving animation on The Joker.
A little context for the end there, when given the chair, they're supposed to put a wet sponge on your head to keep you from frying to crisp and reduce the pain, but Batman removed it and Gorden removed the second one. Joker suffered a horrible agonizing death as a result.
I've never seen this Robot Chicken sketch, so I was all... is that Mark? It _is_ Mark Hamill! How in the Hell did some random RU-vidr manage to get Mark Hamill to voice their animation?
ok but the way you draw his expressions, especially his eyes and teeth while hes gettin electrocuted are genuinely terrifying and top notch, nice work.
"Morice P Joker. For 2,391 counts of murder, and *many other crimes that seem minor next to 2,391 counts of murder.* You have been sentenced to death" Yeah, always wondered why they kept putting Joker back in the asylum when he's clearly beyond fixing
@@therandomcommenter6629But legally, Joker isn’t insane. You’re only considered legally insane if your mental illness prevents you from recognizing that you committed a crime or recognizing that the crime you committed was wrong. Joker can clearly understand both, so he’s not insane no matter how much he laughs.
@@saucevc8353 @saucevc8353 and you don't think he could convince the doctors he didn't the joker is a master of manipulation I never said he was actually insane
I was half expecting Bruce Wayne to be in court with a million dollar+ lawyer team but Batz being there himself in despite his vigilatism also being a crime made me laugh.
It's not always a crime. He works with the police department. Like Bob kane the definitive batman describes as a federal agent part of the batman task force in gotham city pd. Outranking all police officials even the commissioner
Fun Fact: If Joker was charged on a state level, he wouldn’t be able to receive the Death Penalty because Gotham is in New Jersey, New Jersey outlawed it.
All that punching and he got away with just a black eye and some blood. Damn he's resilient! Nicely done! Wish you could have animated the part where he shakes his hand before going back to punching! I loved that part!
He's been hit in the face with a sledgehammer before and just had a split lip. The guy is not easy to take down. Ironic though as a normal person once brought him down with a pipe to the back of his head XD
@@weebjeez Kinda reminds me of that trope you'd sometimes see in horror fiction. Where the main characters sometimes get a death that's either more stylish or toned down than the rest. Often for no other reason than they're the main character. It's hard to describe, but once you see it. You'll know.