Nah he still didnt fully transform, its only at the end he completely lets go of Arthur, if we see Joaquin's Joker in future movies, be ready for a very confident, witty and psychotic joker, a 100% Joker can be seen in the camera test video I beleive
The moment he dropped the gun after the second shot and then did a quick dance really shows you he's not right in the head. He's so unpredictable. What a great acting.
"If it was me laying dead on the sidewalk you'd walk right over me!" I feel like Joaquin Phoenix wasn't acting in that line, considering that's how his brother died
@REGGIE JOHNSON I feel like this isn’t one of those blockbuster films who’s purpose is just to temporarily entertain. If you watch it at a certain point in your life, it really means something…his acting really means something.
Yeah buy i really also think your red hair style is more awful than Murrays. And i have a perfect smile saying that. I can also kill small headed red fricking trash people.
I love how he doesn't even explain that he killed them in self defense. He knows it wouldn't be worth anything. They were the guys in suits and him? He's just a clown. Why speak when you wont be heard? Just laugh instead. Everyone hears that.
Honestly, I’m impressed with the level of range that Joaquin has with his acting. Like in this moment he manages to combine rage with bottled-up sadness that is leaking out of a jar.
@Gotham Protector Joker doesn't always have to be so gritty to the his edge, and when I mean by that is that he can be a prankster with some harmless aspect of him (watch Batman The Brave andthe Bold to get what I mean) and then another aspect of him being that ruthless (as in this scene's case).
Imagine just straight up stealing someone's comment and passing it off as your own. What do u get out of this? Your phone vibrates and u get a thumbs? Maybe a little rush of dopamine? Imagine being so pathetic that your only source of entertainment is stealing people's ideas in YT. Get a job
@@shadymcnasty5920 nah mate. And my phone does not vibrate because it's on silent lol. And why is that big of a deal? I just added a comment...I personally don't care about the likes or replies or anything. You should get a life and stop wasting your time talking trash on here. Oh and edit: I don't remember saying that this was my own comment
@@hiduck8247 Well so what? It wasn't about the person Thomas Wayne himself. It was about the basic concept. About defining the line that crosses everything. The line that goes between those who are rich and those who are poor. The line between the guys who decide what is right and the guys who are always wrong because of that. The line between the ones that protect themselves and the ones who can't.... At least that's my attempt to assume what and how this interpretation of the joker thinks. I'm not saying this is necessarily right or wrong. I just wanted to explain his reasoning.
@@oliverhardy9464 I think the guy (Joker)is fucked up on every level, from personal and emotional to conceptual. I guess that was the point. In Wayne, he saw both the problem of his emotional trauma as much as the problem of the society itself. I never saw them as necessarily disconnected.
His body language after the first shot. The way he shakes his leg, slightly tilts his chair and looks around the room personifies the sheer psychosis The Joker has. Absolutely, outstanding actor.
Have you ever had adrenaline flood through your system? Like, really flood? I'm not talking just the mild high you get from like a thrill ride or whatever. You get into a fistfight with a bully, you nearly get into a traffic accident, or you are faced with something so unbelievably horrifying that it shakes you to your core? Your stomach clenches, your vision blurs, your muscles want to all flex at the same time, your mind races, and you get the sense of not even being present and operating purely on your most primordial basic instincts? That's probably what was happening to him at that moment.
Murray is a great representation of what's wrong with media. When Arthur talks about society driving him crazy, Murray assumes he's using craziness as an excuse for his actions. When Arthur discusses rich people's ability to control public opinion, using Thomas Wayne as an example, Murray assumes he has a personal beef with Wayne. Murray makes the most basic, superficial and sensationalist assumptions any chance he gets, never wanting to look deeper into the real problems, all the while trying to project the image of moral superiority.
falcr Films can be very symbolic and are able to communicate many complex topics and issues. Joker is obviously a film that is depicting many observations about society that ring true. It’s your dense thinking that is the problem. Too many simple-minded people on this damn planet. It’s like people are afraid to expand their brains. I guess it’s easier to not actually think.
Fact: Heath ledger who was rapist originally committed suicide. Crying Batman fans had to beg higher authorities to alter the reason to OD'ed. Joaquin phoenix is much better
@@lickenhuntsman5338 where can I confirm the fact that a coroner changed an official cause of death because of crying Batman fans? Where can I confirm he was a grapist? Writing fact before opinion filled allegations doesn’t make your final opinion any more valid than a fart.
@@lickenhuntsman5338 maybe you should concentrate more on learning how to type sentences that actually make sense and aren't filled with grammatical errors instead of posting absolute bullshit.
YES. I THINK THE MUSIC MADE IT SO MUCH BETTER. like my heart starts beating so fast whenever I hear it. the chaos with Arthur asking if he wants a joke, murray telling them to call the police, and the anticipation just makes it so raw and realistic. it's crazy how good this scene is
Notice how when the Joker was giving his last "Joke" to Murray, Murray was asking someone to call the police and completely ignored him, just like everyone else, looping back to why Arthur went insane in the first place.
To be fair it's not like Murray could have known the context behind the Joker's actions, or had any reason to continue listening to him given how he was presenting himself. While the Joker's treatment at the beginning of the film wasn't justified, by the end of the film it is.
"What do you get, when you cross a mentally ill loner, with a society that abandons him and treats him like trash? I'll tell you what you get. You get what you fucking deserve." That whole scene, the words, the acting, the build up, everything, will forever go down as one of my favorite scenes I've ever seen. Aaaaabsolutely gave me chills.
Thats a sad fact about humanity you can be injured or dying on the street or side walk and people will STILL walk by not even bother to help you even if your right there breaking down sobbing.
I swear to God Joaquin was so good in this. He's just the right amount of crazy and just the right amount of human to make Joker so relatable yet so distant at the exact same time.
the joker's character never got popular for being relatable. he is always two steps ahead and is criminally insane. this joker just got bullied once or twice and that was it.
@John Kelly No he's not gay considering he imagined having a girlfriend, as you said you haven't even watched it anyway, silly. Besides, what do you have against gay people? I mean it's your problem if you're a homophobe, not the movie's problem.
Joker 1989: “You ever dance with the devil in the pale moon light?” Joker 2007: “Why so SERIOUS!!??!!” Joker 2019: “You get what you FUCKING DESERVE!!!”
Even though this movie is it's own story entirely, this scene is SO JOKER it gave me chills. He's funny, and he's absolutely terrifying. He also makes sense. That's even scarier.
Definitely. Unfortunately this is one of the only few movies in the decade five years that delivers that. Many movies and shows went downhill after the late 90s and earlier 2000s were over. This kind of quality is hard to find these days.
@@lovellhorrors1586 Yeah, i totally agree. I think in the society these days it's so easy to get anything, everything is so computerized. Movies are so full of effects right now and most people like it. Acting is like in the background. You don't need lots of imagination these days, because movie makers trying to put everything under effects. People are getting more and more stupid, when they don't have to think about most things in life. The other day i was getting an uber taxi and while i was watching at the car moving in the map and how long it will take to get at my home i was thinking that it's just insane how most things in life work these days (i mean so easy). I don't want to talk a lot, because i'm not the best at that, but in my opinion something really similar is happening in a movie industry. There's very little of creativity left if we're talking about Hollywood and stuff like that. That's why a lot of people trying to watch older movies, when actors had to give their all to impress by storytelling and creating their own image among others. I'm not sure if you got my point, not the best at explaining my thoughts :D . P.S. I actually really liked La La Land. It's very strange, because i'm not into musicals at all, but that movie wasn't your typical musical, it had really nice plot, music was also great and it had meaning. I was really surprised when i finished watching it, because it was somehow different. There's always some exceptions.
I was thinking maybe he laughed because he realized he had a conversation with someone where he was on top(?). his disorder appears when he is at his worst.
@Rupert Hay I thought the laughs he made at Randall's midget jokes weren't genuine. The way he immediately stops laughing and frowns after leaving the room gave me that impression. But I agree that the laugh he had when he spooked Gary was probably real.
@@roddydykes7053but a stray animal..oh, I'll get him some food and such..I worked at a restaurant over a yr ago..a homeless veteran was living in a tent in the woods behind our dumpsters..everyday on my brk, I'd buy him some dinner and take it out to him..my boss found out about it..called the cops and had him removed..but there's also a stray dog that always lingered..guess what..the dog is still around and still gets fed smh
Joaquin completely crushed this role. Especially with this scene. He completely transforms into his character to the point that you forget its all just an act. He literally becomes Joker.
Man this is such a great scene He is nervous, upset, mad, and has terrible social skills. The way he talks is perfect for the character I have terrible social skills and whenever I get worked up and start getting nervous I talk like this Phoenix nailed this part because he kept the tension Screw everyone who said that this scene was cringe
I think the scene was “cringe.” but in a good sense. No one wants to see someone making a fool of themselves on live television. So I guess second hand embarrassment is a better term. However, I can’t deny that it was a wonderful, beautiful scene. Everything from the lighting to the acting was phenomenal. Joaquin Phoenix portrayed so much emotion and realism that I got second hand embarrassment. So kudos. He did his job - made me uncomfortable & even scared. Awesome guy, deserves an Oscar.
B T cringe is overused man it ain’t shit in the scene for Joaquin or joker to be embarrassed about other than the tv host making a joke out of him y’all just say stuff just to say stuff saying the word cringe is analytical asl
PsychBeamTeam I watched it on Amazon Prime with subs tonight. When he first pulled out the gun in his apartment, the audience (on the TV) makes an “Awwwww” sound, (like the cutesy way) ...but the subtitles say, “Audience Gasps” lol WTF?
It really shows how awful Murray is... Any professional host would have gone to commercial and immediately had this guy escorted out by security. But for ratings and his own ego, he kept engaging and pushing Arthur. He walked right in to his trap.
One of the truest lines I’ve heard in all of cinema and especially present in today’s world... “What do you get when you cross a mentally ill loner with a society that abandons him and treats him like trash. You get what you deserve...” ugh.
You can't treat someone with mental health issues so cruelly and act surprised when they retaliate. It's simply a basic law of nature. I suppose the vermin of this world just assume their victims will always be that way and they can torment them for as long as they please. The human pecking order can never be transgressed under any circumstances
And you get what you deserve.... and you get what you deserve. All of you get what you fucking deserve. And you.... you were nice I’ll kiss you on the forehead.
You never forget the sound of the shot. And the second shot only makes the first one even worse. You feel sorry for Arthur but at the same time you want vengence or justice for Murray.
Edwin draws everyone went crazy at this scene. The tension in the theater was really something I hadn’t experienced before either because the movie is so conflicting in its theme and content. It was a lot of nervous half-cheering, because people understood the ramifications of Arthur’s actions but at the same time it’s hard not to be happy for the guy after the beating he took from life and society.
I saw the film in the theater and I remember when he shot Murray one of the female viewers screamed pretty loud all of us went looking around to see who screamed then continued watching.
Well yeah because you don’t have to tho 😂 that’s the point just because our society messed up you don’t have to do what he did in other situations this would apply fr but because based off this movie nah he was bogus
@@sethprots me ? Lol if you’re saying me idk what I’m explaining “myself” about that doesn’t even make sense 🤷🏽♂️ sooo I won’t respond to someone as irrelevant as you
The most impressive part about this scene is that we all want to believe that it's awful, he's wrong, and oh my god so sick but in the end we all know it's so insanely true. The first part where he says you'd step right over me is so true. We blame the victim for being crazy instead of blaming the people who perpetuate the bullying. We deem them as victims instead of calling it out as it is. Perpetuate your bully mentality, get what is coming for you. F around and find out at this point.
It’s breathtakingly disturbing how coherent and articulate he becomes after accepting his madness.. Look!!! He’s not even laughing the same way he does when he kills Murray.. That is genuine laughter not because he has a sickness but because he found it funny to kill Murray.. Chilling
NecroMelodia coming from a white boy that has family in a continent away.... I wouldn’t... you will be the midget begging to unlock the door. White boys are crazier the farther they are from United States.
@Cbg G 559k people have seen the video, 152 liked this comment. I'll let you work out how general relativity works. Fun Fact- you're part of the majority in this case which makes you the sheep. Congratulations! You're an ass! Only difference is that the other people who saw this comment and didnt like it saw the irony of berating someone you dont know in the comments of something from the Joker.
Omar how did you notice that the FOURTH time you watched it? Did you not pay any fucking attention to the movie? He literally fucking says it to the therapist you dumbass. He says it used to be my journal but now I use it as a joke diary
I love how they made this version of Joker comical, which was excluded the previous time, but mixed with dark and sadness also makes you take seriously. AMAZING last joke scene, exceptional acting and writing overall, Murray's words are all true and pingpoint showing how much the author knows how to write and think.
“If it was me dying on the sidewalk you’d walk right over me i pass you everyday and you don’t notice me” that line right there was so heartbreaking you could hear the pain in his voice the world failed him
@Ryan Yarnevich try to be in his shoe once, to know how it feels, people like u talk about killing is wrong, but u don't talk about stop being awful to people, to u it seems alright, it normal and the worst part is no one does anything and this is the main reason why he became the joker, nobody does anything and no one was there for him
_"Oh, why is everybody so upset about these guys? If it was me dying on the sidewalk you'd walk right over me. I pass you everyday and you don't notice me. But these guys, but because Thomas Wayne would cry about them on TV?"_ This is so true. When I saw this scene for the first time I really felt it. Life is pretty much like that. I'm not saying 'ooh I'm joker, we live in a society". No, I just identified with this part. It really hit me. As for the rest of the movie, I think it was great, but I don't feel it that close.
I also really liked how realistic that was. People were caring/complaining/defending about those “three young men” the joker killed on the train when they know nothing About them. Those “three young men” were sexually harassing a female. There was also a little detail in the film when the detectives were talking to the joker. They mentioned The female on the train had said that there was a clown on the train. But it was never stated that she brought up the sexual harassment. Those “three young men” were assaulting, bullying a mentally unstable man on the train.
neither the joker much less cobain have said that, every moron likes to use that quote to make them feel different when they're just a part of the same but the unpopular ''same''.
@@cmcproductions26 De Niro used to be a legend. The moment he started acting like his characters from his films in real life he became a joke. I never laughed so hard watching him act all "gangster" regarding politics.
@@thetoothbrushfromnisemonog8340 low IQ comment. More and more men specifically are becoming disenfranchised and sexless. More and more men will start to portray anti social behavior’s, which only means a more unstable society. Something needs to be done, so we definitely should be thinking of solutions. Or we can just ignore everything like you’re implying. But you know the saying, “you can ignore reality, but you can’t ignore the consequences of ignoring reality”.
@John Doe figures, most people can’t even see that we have a boys crisis going on right now in the west. Shit, even in the East, but it’s different over there.
Jack Nicholson:Do i look like I'm Joking? Heath ledger:Do i look like guy with a plan? Joaquin Phoenix:Do i look like kind of clown can start movement?
Joaquin joker movement had me dying cause in real life there was hundreds or more people painting his joker on walls and there faces as way to protest like Hong Kong and other countries
Arthur saw Murray like a father figure (his fantasy proves it). But Murray made fun of him. The father figure, he admired so much was no different than the rest of the society. When Murray said not everyone is awful with confidence, without realising he is, Arthur realised he can not trust anybody. Thus, he killed Murray instead of himself.
@@brentage5000 That was his original plan. There's a scene where he practices coming onto the show, and in this mini-rehearsal he points the gun not at Murray, but at himself.
Part of the reason why i admire this scene and movie so much its because of how it portrays the joker's desire for chaos.When he realizes his life is actually a joke (hospital scene), he understands that it is meaningless, and then decides to give a meaning to it - chaos.Then he does rather unpredictable things such as Randall's murder and then Murray's.He actually hit the jackpot if you come to think of it: How could he know he would be that kind of symbol if he hadnt killed himself? This kinda proves that Arthur clinging to chaos saved him and made him who he is now, and now has a reason to love it so much.
The three guys he killed on the subway were pestering a woman and probably would have raped her if he hadn't had a fit of laughing (because of his mental illness). But as they were three wealthy and high society men, successful and blablabla all lamented as if three immaculate saints had been killed. The society, without even knowing what really happened, immediately raised them to the role of martyrs, cruelly murdered by a "crazy" dressed as a clown. When in fact the real psychopaths were those three guys who not only clearly were going to do something bad for that woman, but also cowardly beat. Arthur, who in self-defense shot them Three cowards beating a smaller, weaker man in an empty car without anyone being able to scream for help, without any witnesses who could report what really happened. The only witness reported that "a man dressed as a clown did this", that was the woman who was being harassed on the subway. She could have told the police, she could have told the truth about what the guys were doing, that they wanted to rape her when a man dressed as a clown started laughing then the three went to him to attack. But she chose to be just another coward and support the narrative of the "psychopathic clown", that attack of laughter from Arthur saved that girl. She could at least have been more grateful for that.
Man. This pure batman theme. The villian isn’t some monster. Its a broken unfortunate individual. It demonstrates the Dr Jekyll and the Mr Hyde. Demonstrates the monster also is human but the human is also monsterous. Deep.
@@vihuynhquang5204 Bruh Arthur was already bullied for being a clown. Not only that sexually abused in his childhood, being in debt, being lied to by his only birth mother, and fired caused of his friend giving him a gun for protection in the dark world of Gotham. Altogether the factors force the individual to become mentally broken.
