Robby Soave and Amber Duke discuss whether "cancel culture" truly exists. Director of Photography: Alex Rosen Producer: Veronica Riccobene Editor: Chris Sowick Illustration: Comedy Central
“Both sides do it” should have been the damned line in the first place, followed by “so why are we all acting like the left wing version of the way the worst kinds of conservatives have acted for at least the past century?”
"The Cycle of Normalization" is as follows. Phase 1: Denial. "It doesn't happen, that's just a right-wing conspiracy!" Phase 2: Downplaying. "It was an isolated incident, which is being leveraged for nefarious purposes!" Phase 3: Questioning. "So what if it does happen? Why do you even care?" Phase 4: Acceptance. "Of course it happens and it's a good thing. Only bigots have a problem with it!"
It's rarely done on the right and typically when the right does it there is a legit reason. She said when someone commits an offense, but the left cancels anyone they disagree with and to them political and social disagreements are not only offensive but hate speech. They cancel people over things most people don't find offensive or that were said 20 years ago and it was considered the norm. They want to apply their extreme nutty morality to the past.
Conservatives claiming innocence on this issue when they were having meltdowns about how Pokemon "evolve" or literally trying to ban same-sex marriage via constitutional amendment is rich. Of course cancel culture exists. People who do and say objectionable things should face scrutiny from broader society, that's been the case for thousands of fucking years - conservatives are just butthurt about it since they're on the receiving end of it, instead of beating people over the head about how they have sex or worship. THAT'S what's changed.
I guess he forgot about the attempt at canceling Joe Rogan. CNN, WAPO, NYT and many others talked about him ad nauseum for over two weeks. Their "Horse paste" narrative didn't work, so then it was Neil Young and all these other artists getting off Spotify, that didn't work. And finally they came after him for his "Racist" jokes. They all failed, but it was a concerted effort to try to cancel him.
Rosan Barr was "canceled". She will never have another show on network TV. To compare that to Liz Cheney, who has had multiple interviews on network TV since leaving office, is ridiculous. Liz was simply voted out.
Roseanne is free to do TV shows whenever she wants, but no network producer wants to fund her. That's the market. Liz Cheney criticized Trump and was kicked out of the Wyoming GOP. She can also run for office, but no one will vote for her. That is also the market. What's so hard about admitting that BOTH sides engage in this BS?
Terese Nielsen is one of the most egregious examples I can think of. She is an open lesbian who created a great deal of fantastic art for Wizard's of the Coast for use in their Magic the Gathering card game. It took a long time since when accused of holding anti-trans views she only ever denied them. It was literally only justified via likes on other people's tweets, not anything she ever said herself, and her follows. Yet the cancellers were so incessant they eventually pushed Wizard's to cease renewing contract with her even though her work remained stellar.
Jon Stewart made the mistake of crossing over from political comedy to political commentary. If he had any good takes to present, he could get away with it. But now he's mostly just reinforcement bias for people who already believe what he believes. Robby and Amber make a good point here that the consequences of bad actions should be appropriate to the action. That's probably the most important take-a-way here.
Thankfully, both his coach and teammates defended him, saying that he's a good person and they want to allow people with all kinds of opinions to be part of their team, even if they don't agree with those opinions. It was badass.
I feel like people get confused. That although you can disagree on issues, you can also agree on issues. That's just normal human interaction. I have plenty of people in my life that I don't agree with on everything, but they're still my friends. We vote differently but that doesn't change my opinion of them. The constant fighting we see eventually gets nothing done. The "uniparty" will be when one party that eliminates the other. Then we'll have no opposing opinions whatsoever. That's called fascist dictatorship. Even if it was the Democrats who eliminated Republicans. I would call them Fascists too. The whole point is to have different opinions but be able to come together in certain areas to accomplish goals.
I liked Craig Killborn. Jon has always been some degree of a Lefty Jewish comedian who leaned heavily on the Lefty part. Now he's just a parody of himself and is utterly ridiculous and without notable merit.
Jon took a very notable turn for the worse after he got his pee-pee whacked for going on the Colbert show (don't get me started) and talked about covid coming from the lab. He admitted his tribe was very angry at him. Right after that he became a different person. He's now a gross apologist for lies and deception all over the place. I really liked him up until relatively recently.
@@FifthConcerto I wonder how John Stewart feels as a Jewish person, that neither the American Left or Right actually give a crap about Jewish people. Or will he even admit it? Better look for a safe country to retire to to, John. The future of the American political scene is antisemitic.
Scott Cawthon is a good example. He was forced to give up creative control (at least publicly) of FNAF for simply being a republican evangelical Christian. He also got doxxed. He never even said anything. Just simply giving money and voting for the wrong candidates was enough.
Which political figure disagrees with Trump and stays around? The whole Bud Light thing is not cancel culture? Left and right there is absolutely cancel culture and denying it makes you look stupid.
Watch Greg Lukianoff discussing "cancel culture does not exist" on Lex Fridman's podcast. He goes through tons of examples where cancel culture most certainly exists -- from both sides.
I liked his interview with John Cleese where Cleese said something to the effect of getting fired for having an opinion crosses a line that anyone remotely interested in free speech should resist.
I really like Jon Stewart, but he literally started off that segment by mocking an NFL player who had been doxed (which can and has, in the past, put people's lives and the lives of their families in danger) and acted as if the backlash he had received didn't count as "cancel culture" smh
Lol, he said that what the guy said was completely within the norms of his context. Catholic guy saying catholic things in front of a catholic audience. Nowhere was he like "the man should have NO CAREER!" So no, that doesn't count as cancel culture, unless your definition is so broad that it's meaningless.
@@KeithGrooverIt isn’t whether he said that or not, it’s whether others did… and others did respond by attempting to cancel him and saying he shouldn’t have his career.
@@KeithGroover My friend, at what point did I say Jon claimed he shouldn't have a career? I was speaking specifically to the way he dismissed the harassment, specifically the doxing, as if it was just "thin-skinned" right-wing complaining. If you don't think that should count as cancel culture because it doesn't involve his job security, only his psychical security, fine. But you are arguing semantics at that point, which is irrelevant to my point.
@@KeithGroover No, he (and now, you) are mischaracterizing the actions of others to claim that people aren’t trying to cancel this dude. What you said was a complete non-sequitur. “He said therefore others didn’t say what others actually did say.”
Liz Cheney’s voting record agreed with Trump 97%. She was only cancelled because of her opinion on the results of the election. Democrat party leadership actually rallied around Cuellar instead of a pro choice candidate. It’s a stretch to think Cuellar’s indictment has anything to do with cancel culture on the part of the democrats.
yes, but Liz Cheney didn't vote that way because Trump told her so..... she voted that way, because she was catering to the same electorate..... electorate that never liked her in the first place..... she's always been one of those swampsters that was shoved down your throat in politics, despite noone liking her..... like Hillary Clinton among democrats
I assume you mean the joke that got Amber fired... I had to look it up. Apparently she was fired for saying Kamal Harris's outfit at the State of the Union address made her look like a UPS worker.
Speech is always free for me and mine but not for thee and thine. Nobody recognizes cancel culture when their side is the one doing it. That's why I don't take sides.
The clip starts with Jon saying "There is no organized cancel culture conspiracy". And when I heard that I wondered where the "organized ... conspiracy" part came from. Were those words he just threw in to that sentence to undermine accusations of "cancel culture" in general? Or did someone else make that claim and Jon is carving it out to distinguish from the general culture? I wasn't sure, but it sounds like you're saying the latter. I really hate when quotes are so selective that we're forced to infer there is no larger context. If Reason is doing that now, shame on them.
@@notme222 Yes, no organized movement where everyone is following an agenda to cancel certain targets. He didn’t say the outrage and backlash does not exist. Or that both sides of the media aren’t fueling that fire.
@@notme222 I think he is responding to the usual inferences of cancel culture being an organized thing where they all target particular people and work to take them down. Similar vein as the deep state. My take was he wasn’t saying it doesn’t exist-he’s saying cancel culture is more broadly the current age of outrage that we live in. It comes from all sides. And if anything, it’s the internet and the media perpetuating it. Prime example of that was the first thing he called out where a reporter was trying to bait the white house into commenting on Harrison’s speech or disinviting him from going to the White House, and they didn’t take the bait. As for the title of this video, I think it’s terribly misleading. What John is saying is the people who are constantly crying foul about cancel culture do the exact same thing themselves to people who disagree with them. Free speech ain’t free if it doesn’t agree with my speech type of thing. And this dude is just another example of the media ginning people up for clicks.
Aziz failed to get support because of his brand. He was really into how easy and undemanding women are and how men are just cavemen. Of course he wasn't held to the same standard.
It doesnt sound like you necessarily disagreed with his claims, from the clips it looks like he's said the closest thing to "organized cancel culture conspiracy" against right leaning figures is what happens in their own party which you seem to agree with, but just have an issue with the term cancel culture being used.
Ah yes consequence culture. Like when pro-Palestinian (pro-Hamas) names were printed on the car tvs to blacklist them from future jobs. Yup, that’s consequence culture, right Jon?
I don't like cancel culture. However, there is a potentially important aspect to it. As the world moves past the age of The State, public exile becomes a viable means of maintaining a kind of (small d) democratic influence.
It’s the same thing with using “woke” as a pejorative. It’s been used so much to mean ”people who disagree with me politically” that it’s worthless as a description for those who push their ideology at all cost.
He never said cancel culture didn’t exist 🤦♂️ Talk about taking things out of context. He was commenting on conservatives victimhood if you watch the whole thing. He literally talks about how both sides do it and how people shouldn’t lose a job for stuff like that just before the clip.
It's so strange try to claim it's only a problem to be excluded for your political views in the one place where your political views are a prerequisite: being a politician. What an elitist subversion of concerns of regular people who are worried they will lose their job as a mechanic for supporting the wrong politician but somehow a politician who goes against their right wing party... THEY should be able to support whoever they like.
Both of them are often shockingly out-of-touch. I saw Maher today interviewed by Megyn Kelly, he actually still believes police officers were killed in the Jan. 6 riot.
There isn't a plot he can't lose. Remember, he's a comedian who bought his own hype years ago. Jon Leibowitz is an intellectually bankrupt vessel of word salad.
It is really weird for Reason TV to completely misrepresent this episode...Jon actually says both sides are guilty of cancel culture he is just pointing out that the Trumpers are hypocritical about it.
JK Rowling is a good example. Trans-activists are after her all the time for saying things they don't agree with. They haven't been successful but it's not for a lack of trying.
The left had to cancel Dylan because he was no longer useful.Read up on how communism works throughout history. Did you miss the last 4 years? Anyone stating objective facts has been canceled, including any and every doctor or nurse calling BS on only male and only female, or non prophylactic injections.
Eliminating someone's platform and position because you are too thin-skinned for criticism and your opinions too weak for critical thought sounds like a GOP cancel culture to me.
Dear Reason Magazine: Please cancel this series. Culture war nonsense has been dumbing-down your magazine for years now. This is the most extreme decline in quality to date. Your long-time loyal subscribers have paid for your content because you offered something different than Tucker Carlson.
One of the things I learned years ago, around the beginning of our nation's defense of Christmas during the War on Christmas, is that nearly every time the right wing talks about something getting canceled, they're probably taking a break from trying to cancel something else - like Liz Cheney, French Fries, Kolin Kaepernick, the "Dixie" Chicks, and the 2020 presidential election. Stewart's entire segment is pretty stand alone, without help from these two cuties. He makes a killer montage of all the things right wing media claimed you can't say anymore, with clips years later of the same people saying the same very thing. It was - chef's kiss.
