Peterson doesn't talk over people. He follows the rule in his book of 12 rules of life. Always listen to people assuming they know something you don't.
@Kenneth Bachman Not being able to say racist shit? Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm genuinely unsure but wasn't that related to pronouns, not racist stuff? Or am I getting it confused with something else?
@Kenneth Bachman no you're not. You're bending his statement to fit your stupid leftist narrative. I really wish you are not black bzw I'm sick of being ashamed of my own race because of morons like you.
Hey Milo, (about not caring) thus protest too much. We will give you this, You are quick witted and at times well spoken. Dr. Jordan Peterson is a genius who genuinely cares about people. He did Milo a favor by filming together.
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu So that video just argues that Jordan's take on bill c-16 was wrong... not a LIE, mind you. And he has done much more than what that video adresses to gain that "Prestige build on a lie" you say. I dislike people discrediting someone entirely just because they don't agree with one thing they said and this happens a lot to JP. However it was thanks to this hysteria that i heard of him so i'm grateful
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu I said that i might not agree with him on that topic. Either way i have learned a lot by listening to his videos. He gives good advice and has the best interest in helping. If you actually listen to what he says you can't honestly think he is that bad.
I think Jordan wants deserved prestige, and his opponents want something else that they call prestige. Regular people call it viral; the new anti-intellectual untalented rockstar
Bollocks. Peterson craves prestige and bathes in the glory of the guru-like status conferred upon him by the little acolytes who worship at his altar. Which is precisely why he can't stand the fact that one of the world's most prestigious institutions of higher learning rejected him. Milo, for all his faults, can recognise a preening peacock when he sees one. Don't get me wrong... the man is intelligent. Maps of Meaning proved that. He's just not half as intelligent as he thinks he is and had it not been for the whole pronoun debacle which resonated with so many, including myself, he'd be just another academic "also-ran".
This is possibly the closest one will get to seeing inside a therapy session. A session so good, that the client doesn’t even realise they’re in one, and is under the (wrong) impression that they’re in charge of the direction in which the session’s going.
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"It is better to be a fool. The man who stumbles in every direction has a better chance of finding the corect path than the man who remains in place." -Me
hello the rose, I'm glad you agreed with your own provisioning of said Twain quote. I inherently thus disbelieve you are not fool in your own words. thank you.
When Milo says to Peterson 'I think you want prestige, when I don't'. It really shows how much he doesn't understand Peterson. Peterson, in my mind, would rather see the best for society no matter what is in for him.
Peterson has more than enough money, he doesn't need any more of it so yes, I understand why he prefers the best for society no matter what is in for him.
@@RedHairdo you think he's not rich? dude flew around the entire world to have the best treatment for him, he also had to pay at the same time for his wife's cancer treatment, how on earth does an average making family is able to spend all this money?
Ryder Wilson you’re just full of crap, pretending that Peterson only wants what’s good for others because he’s rich. He’s rich because he wants what’s best for others and helps them, so he is widely watched and people come to his lectures and buy his books.
@Chris Schneider yeah... with a deep family history of depression and a wife with cancer i could see no reason to fall into medicine given by his dr to cope while also maintaning his career. I might be ugly but at least i dont have any money.
You obviously couldn't listen to the interview without your emotions and love of jordan tarnishing your lenses to see the truth ... Unfortunitly Milo dropped one truth bomb after another as hard as they were to hear because we all like the polite petterson ... Tell me what point was Milo incorrect on?
Things Happen :: The “prestige economy” to name one. Which was his whole point, to be frank. If you actually watch and listen to what Peterson says and does, that concept is not even remotely the truth. Milo was just projecting his own cynical narcissism onto Jordan. “YOU are like all the other sheep, just prancing in the prestige economy” He says that, all while Peterson is most recognized for speaking out against Canada for legislating forced language. Something that Peterson did on principle, and Professor Peet (his antagonist) even agreed with him that suppressing free speech is wrong. All while Professor Peet suppressed free speech. Jordan is commendable while Milo is a rationalizing, cynical narcissist.
I was shocked Peterson tried to play dumb on the Prestige Economy angle Milo played. He destroyed Peterson on that singular point....the rest of what you say is entirely accurate.
So just I understand, why do ppl hate Milo? You may not like him for being cocky, but at the end of the day, he's contributing to tear down the leftist monopoly
Insufferable tool. His bullshit pronouncements make the right look like a freak show. As he says himself, he's really just a self-hating reverse Marxist, who wants to smash everything up,
AAA Logic understand what you mean but my point wasn’t saying he is the smartest I feel like his understanding of the world is one of the best minds , for example you mention Elon musk , very smart person , but from a phycology standpoint feel like someone like JP could help people like Elon succeed even further cause he has such an amazing way of evaluating different view points from all sides he understands people who are at there wits end and don’t feel like they can handle life and have never succeeded in anything while also having an understanding of some of the most intelligent hyper focussed people to ever exist 👍🏼 I see where your coming from also
@Cellar Door Do you have any examples of BS points? The only thing I've heard from JP that was iffy was him stating ancient cultures knew about the DNA spiral (because wrapped together snake symbols etc) but even then he gave himself the benefit of the doubt. Obviously the above is just a correlation stemming from physics, as helical structures are harder to take apart.
@Cellar Door I think he believes such privileges are hard to quantify, especially on an individual level. I've also witnessed the whole white privilege thing get blown out of proportion in many cases, but yeah, I suppose being an ethnic minority gets you 2nd class treatment by some people. I live in Greece, we barely have black people over here, we're mostly white and light brown.
@Cellar Door There is no such thing as white privilege. None. You make of yourself in the United States. There is no systemic racism. They're faulty claims designed to keep people from taking responsibility for their own lives.
benny pitt they were always shit. They simply look less credible now. Conservatives have a problem with credible sources these days. Even heritage throws them under the bus.
@@jimtownsend3910 True. The left is probably worse at that, but both have this way for example of blaming a certain side for let's say violence, and they attribute the opposite side as the contribution. Fact is, if a gunman came into your home with the intent to kill, or let's say a gunman enters a school, right? Being left or right isn't gonna change the outcome of the gunman, so the left and right uses something that can't possibly be the opposing sides fault to their advantage to fit a certain narrative.
Milo is super accurate and knew from the start his positions would not be acceptable to left or right. You comment is nonsense. Also, your negative view of Milo does not represent whites, males, Catholics or conservatives.
I thought Milo was OK until I watched this.He really is such a bore and so full of himself.He is quite rude as well.He seems to have a chip on his shoulder?
i think it’s just than noone, he accepts/sees as fairly equal to him gives him parole, like noone near him can get him to think. i think he is lonely and is frustrated. that’s why he opens up to Jordan, he sees him as an at least equally sophisticated individual, but still doesn’t know him enough to allow him to really criticize him. he just is used to being attacked so he won’t open up.
We owe a debt of gratitude to Milo. Milo gave the world a chance to see what the left was capable of . Milo used the weapons of the left on the left like no one else could . The world is a better place because of Milo and his willingness to mix it up .
This is honestly like being a psychology student shadowing a therapist and patient, as an oppose to a discussion between two intellectuals. It's as if JP isnt responding as usual with more vigor because he feels like he is back in the clinic.
We therapists call it "observe dont absorb"..peterson is taking in Milo's ad hominem type stuff and personal attacks and observing them like a doctor would observe a sick patient. "What are his personal judgements on me say about him? Where is this transference coming from?" It's well done
Milo sounds like the worlds biggest narcissist. He’s trying to convince people he doesn’t want power or money but he sounds so bitter. He just wants to hear himself talk
I noticed that too, he’s subconsciously projecting the same behavior he accused the other of, he’s hurt that he was busted down and he really longs to be back in that light again. The truth is he does care, lol
@@avyaya6439 The enemy of your enemy is in fact not your friend. There may be some overlap in certain commonalities but the intentions or the end result matters.
I agree. People who bang on about being rejected by something and that they didn’t want to be part of it anyway....it’s psychology 101 that this person actually wants desperately to be part of this ‘thing’ and are totally bitter to the point of being irrational at the fact that they have been rejected by it. Milo you poor deluded soul
mary the sun But you just said he didn’t care. If I’m not qualified to say he does, then you aren’t qualified to say he doesn’t. But he does care, very much. He’s a narcissist. He is a troll. Attention is all he craves.
mary the sun Yeah just believe him! It’s not like Milo is a completely dishonest troll or anything! Stop. Milo is trash and brings nothing but conflict.
What u do not see or refuse to see is that the 'wolfs' came for him. When the 'wolfs' come for you, yes u are going to speak about yourself. And u categorise this as narcissism? When the wolfs come for you E.A Gray one needs all the help it can get, but Milo seems to not have gotten any, like he says not from the right nor from the left. No E.A. Gray this is not a ''red riding hood'' story and do not go all ''english teach on me''. I'll be here to answer you if u happen to not understand.
If letting off truth bombs is being passive aggressive ... then telling the truth is wrong ... watched this a couple of times Milo was 100% right on all points
Milo: I'm special, I'm so special, your not special like I am, this is your position that I am assigning you because this is all I know and this is my only identity. Wow my voice is lovely.
@@MrStaano He understands people very well and in my opinion the smartest man in the world. He's challenged people around the world. Nobody has the wisdom to debate him or take him down. He will be a great PM
Milo to Peterson: "They're letting you climb higher." No, they tried to come for Peterson too. It is Peterson's ability and patience to navigate through media channels without giving them career ending sound bytes that has allowed his continued success. I don't think Milo respects the incredible patience it requires to do this. To transform something from the inside out takes way more resilience than taking a wrecking ball to the whole thing.
I constantly get newspaper articles and blog posts sent to my phone, some by reputable sources trying to discredit Peterson and call him all the names under the sun. They for sure have come for him. They are just unable to really go for his character, because he thinks before he speaks, unlike Milo.
I think there are elements of Truth coming from both sides of this dialogue. Yes, Peterson has more wisdom, skill and patience, which explains, in part, his rise to notoriety, but more so because he was willing to risk all his “prestige” by taking a stand for the Truth. But, Peterson is also naive about who ultimately controls the levers of public opinion. And this makes him vulnerable to those who are “letting him climb higher.”
Milo could have been a very KEY player, and was for a tiny moment, but once he went too over the top and got kicked out of the “party”, and now claims he never wanted to be at the party.
I don't see how he went over the top what he said was Factually True , Older gay males do "Groom" for lack of a better word younger gay males , not talking 50 and 11 here we're talking 35-40 and 20-25. This isn't exactly some huge secret. This isn't to say I agree with Milo's attacks on Peterson basically calling him a bootlicker without saying that directly for someone who says "I can't hold my tongue" Saying "You feel the need to play in that economy Because you need the Validation so you will accept certain things" Is a really strange and long winded way to call someone a boot licker
Jordan Peterson once called him, Milo - the Court Jester. After the entertainment n excitement is done. The jester has to leave the court so important discussions can be held ...lol
I thought he nailed Professor Peterson's limitations as a public figure well because the Professor doesn't want to go outside of academia. He wants for academia to come back where it should be and meet him. Just watch to see if Milo's right and academia doesn't find some slimy way to take the honest professor out.
StrawPoll I wouldn’t call it “ projecting “, just totally presupposing to know the intent of Dr. Peterson’s agency ?! I don’t think Jordan Peterson wants titles and prestige the way Milo assumes ! I think his titles and prestige came from working hard and making changes in his life !!! Milo makes a lot of assumptions here in regards to the intentions and even destiny of Jordan’s end game ?!
@@j.huffhumble4281 that's what he (Milo) does! And he is absolutely projecting. HE is the one wanting prestige and titles, and knowing he will never have them, pretends like he doesn't care and then accuses others of the very thing he cannot have!
Yes Peterson does. It seems Milo is still hurting, and his indication of excitement of having "power" shows he still wants revenge. Peterson's opening forced Milo to reveal that.
shotinthedark90 what a whiny baby. Who cares about the plight of the brat son of a shipping oligarch. He has zero substance when he’s not railing again something.
@@justinkennedy2128 you dont see him lying to himself than ? ...because this whole clip is exactly that...a little boy pointing the blame finger at everyone except him behind veil of false humility..(and all narcs lie to them selves, that is a fundamental part of the condition, not just the worst)
@@jacksmith4460 He's not narcissistic because he lacks that self loathing element. Milo actually likes himself, and I believe he is genuinely capable of empathy which narcissists are not. "Believing lies" can be ascribed to most mental health problems, psychosis for one, paranoid personality disorder for another. This interview is actually longer than the clip shown here; ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FHpvI8oGsuQ.html and whilst it does seem rather rude that Milo is interrupting Peterson, it is not the be-all "omg narcissist" which you and other uneducated churls seem to believe it to be. In this case you are equally delusional, and seem to have a rather odd lack of empathy. Perhaps you hate yourself, under all of that mask. Hrmm... Narcissism, eh?
@@TheMellow85 It's so bizarre how he progressed. I watched him back in the day with everyone else and so did my mom and sister but then it turned into an embarrassingly cringey sh¡t show indefinitely. And I hate that I'm just now seeing this toxic behavior toward JP😠
You know how I know Milo's "I don't care" schtick is bogus? Because as soon as Peterson started talking about his "fall from grace", with the slightest hint of a critical tone, Milo pivoted the conversation to attempted to hurl petty insults at Peterson. "You crave prestige"..."you want to be the crown jewel"..."It was an odd move"..etc. He sounded like a petty child with a bruised ego whose first impulse is attempt to re-position himself into a dominant role in the dialogue.
@@purplemashine9122 Maybe Peterson should have handle the conversation with more care. He was right to Milo's face saying that he was consisting of too many contradictions. If a person attacks somebody there is a very strong chance that the other person will retaliate. As would Peterson himself. Did Peterson attack Milo or not?
@@bighands69 - No, Peterson did not attack Milo. Milo wanted to control the direction of the conversation, which he did. I would like to hear more from Peterson on the CPAC issue, I think I watched the whole video but that was a very long time ago, I don't remember if there was more, I doubt it since that wasn't what Peterson had intended to cover.
Milo's concern over being canceled from CPAC might indicate he cares about participation in the prestige culture. A better question would be is there such a thing as prestige culture, and if so, what is it. I believe the prestige culture is based on the elite's concern over title. The prestige culture believes your value comes from your credentials, the opposite position is that your value comes from your personal abilities.
But Milo wasn’t wrong. He was wrong to bring it up at that moment, but he wasn’t wrong. Peterson wants to recognized in his field and by academia. He won’t be. In this respect, he is like a younger Donald Trump who wanted to be accepted in polite NYC society because of his wealth and education. He eventually realized that they would never accept it. Peterson still thinks he will be accepted.
absolutely. It's hard to change a person when they truly think they're right, and everyone else is wrong. He must be a very lonely human, because he must really battle with intergrating with others.
"I'm not part of the prestige economy. I don't care what people think of me. Hold on a minute while I straiten my tie, fix my hair and whiten my teeth."
However, vanity in personal appearance and seeking academic/public prestige are not necessarily the same. Milo is certainly full of himself in many ways but I do believe that the only person he truly attempts to prove something to is likely to be himself.
@@clemental1 And yet you provide no evidence. For someone who doesn't care much what other people think, look at Ben Mallah. Look at how he dresses and talks as an example of someone who isn't trying to impress others. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hpcy2mk1wS8.html Also notice that Milo cares about what JP thinks or he wouldn't bother.
well yes and no. First of all, evidence can't really be put forth when making an observations of characterstics. Or at least, not that I could write down but that one would have to watch in several videos of his. But that is really beside the point. What Milo talks about when he says prestige economy, is an academic and intellectual system where cv's matter, where publications matter, where who you get interviewed by matters, and Milo doesn't care about this kind of status. He certainly cares about his apparence and tries to tease and show off, but in a way he is too controversal and too unconventional to really impress people in that sense. He hypes up crowds and teases and points and is all glamorous on tv. But Peterson on the other hand is a serious intellectual, besides the public phenomenon that he is. And he, unlike Milo, wants to be part of this academic prestige system. That is why he accepted to go to my old Uni even though they tried to make it seem like they never invited him in the first place.
arathyl 999... poke-tard ideologist .... learn words, then you may find knowledge .otherwise, stop abusing mantras of Grace, otherwise you certainly find Doom.
I'm sorry to say that this made me laugh out loud. Milo just had a therapy session and didn't even know it. My heart goes out to the Peterson's, God bless them and their health.
No, Peterson is not operating in the "prestige economy." He wants to be influential, because he has principles and values he wants to promote. Milo is happy to be ineffectual.
I agree with your statements re Dr Peterson, but not with your statements re Mr Yiannopoulos. Mr Yiannopoulos wants to be influential, and IS influential; but the influence he exerts is in a different direction. Whereas Dr Peterson cares about educating people (both in his university classrooms, and in his clinical practice, and in his speeches, and in his books) regarding how things (especially, human minds!) work in actual reality, Mr Yiannopoulos is more interested in preaching right-wing ideology, which is NOT grounded in truth, and does not even CARE about truth, but rather, is interested only in the EFFECT it has on its audience. (Namely, to persuade them to join the Right Wing identity group and proclaim its doctrines.) If all human religions and politics were forgotten by humans today (but first recorded by an outside entity), and we tried to recreate them from scratch, we'd fail completely. We'd come up with more religions and politics, yes, but they'd be VERY DIFFERENT from the religions and politics recorded by the outside entity, because religious and political ideology is all made up and based on whim, fancy, and happenstance. Whereas, if humankind forgot all of its science today, within 1000 years we'd discover it all again, EXACTLY AS BEFORE, because it's based on REALITY, which is universal and immutable (unlike religion and politics, which are ephemeral fantasy).
@Elpeo Puru : Since I was never the topic of this conversation, your feelings about ME are off-topic. But thanks for agreeing with everything I just said. (Yes, you just did, though you don't realize it. You see, whenever you engage in a PERSONAL ATTACK, it means you've run out of counter-arguments, which means that you agree. If you DON'T agree, then the thing to do would be to present a counter-argument, instead of a personal attack.) As for what I sound like, why are you even mentioning that, seeing as how you've never heard my voice? If you're using "sound" metaphorically, to mean "tone", that's "responding to tone", which is a fallacy of misdirection; the TONE of an assertion has no bearing on the TRUTH of an assertion.
@Elpeo Puru : If your "boil down" of my comments amounts to "ugh, right wing bad, ugh", then you probably cannot understand adult diction and should probably not be attempting to communicate with adults on RU-vid, because that's NOT what I said. As for "wings" being "bad", yes, they all are (left, right, middle, up, down, whatever). Political "wings" are abrogation of the responsibility to THINK in favor of parroting talking points from an identity group. That's bad, yes, because it leads to a group of lemmings rather than multiple independent individuals. A human brain is a terrible thing to waste. Disagreeing with the doctrines of political "wings" is not "personal attacks", no (or anything remotely CLOSE to being "personal attacks"), for the simple reason that bad ideas are not persons. But when one starts a message to someone with "you" (eg, "You sound like..."), that's ALWAYS a personal attack, because the opening word ("you") topicalizes the message as being about the PERSON one is talking to, rather than the TOPIC under discussion. This is the informal logical fallacy of "Argumentum Ad Hominem". It is a fallacy of misdirection, much like "Look, a bird!" People engage in personal attacks when they are mentally bankrupt, so can no longer discuss the TOPIC under discussion and must hence resort to insulting the PERSON they are talking to. Generally, people are expected to grow out of this by the time they reach age 3. But alas, some don't. My advice: Refrain from using the word "you" altogether when attempting to converse with people; it helps one keep on-topic.
he sort of admitted as much, saying he doesn't have Jordan's ability to hold his tongue. Milo is quick witted and arrogant, while JP is thoughtful and purposeful.
rodiusmaximus :: He’s more so arrogant and arrogant. Due to his love for himself, he’s very good at rationalization and twisting loose facts to his liking. If you want to call that quick witted then so be it.
@@cgme7076 no, that's not what that means. And maybe he's already got answers prepared. Milo responds quickly (and cuts people off mid-sentence). If that's not what quick witted means, then so be it. But compare that with Jordan who lets people finish speaking, and often thinks for a while before speaking
rodiusmaximus :: That’s not what “quick witted” means. “Quick witted” means that he comes up with quick retorts on the spot. It doesn’t mean someone interrupts. It also usually means the person is correct in their quick retort, whereas Milo really often isn’t. He dresses up his language to sound convincing, but is really just rationalizing and twisting loose facts to his liking.
@@cgme7076 huh? Maybe if we just call Jordan slow witted and call it even, since Milo isn't quick enough for you. My original point was that Jordan thinks before he speaks, and Milo responds quickly (possibly without thinking).
@Marylee Macpherson I think Jordan Peterson is a very open person and as he has said in some of his lectures. Mostly people who are very high in trait openness turn up because what he says tends to resonate with them more. I do find that even just watching his regular, non self help style lectures always give me interesting and well thought out ways of viewing my environment.
@Be Frank I would say that people who are very clever tend to be able to make more distant connections between things. This is a double edged sword because the cleverest idea isn't always right. I think I mostly trust Jordan Peterson to have thourouly researched and applied the scientific method to any ideas he gives out. It's actually only when I started to learn more about phycology that the phrase madness comes with greatness started to make sence to me. So yeh maybe I am quite normal hahahaha.
Yeah "my struggle is harder than yours" "I'm more of a hero than you" is basically his stance toward Peterson this whole conversation. I didn't know him, but he sounds just like the left, acting like he's conservative.
@- Morales I don't hate Milo, I just don't desire to listen to him. I suppose you're referring to Jordan as a "kissass." My comment is that if you have something worthwhile to say, you get in the trenches and yes, sometimes you compromise in your wording of your speech. It's called being cordual as you look for common ground.
Milo gave Mr. Peterson a VERY limited opportunity to respond to him, and then consistently cut his response off and talked over him. How is this any sort of discussion? No doubt I'm wrong, but to me Milo is simply a contrarian: He desires, for his personal gratification, to force an emotional response to his often contradictory but deliberately provocative viewpoints. This just so that he can dump on those who might disagree using his obvious alibies as an articulate debater. To me he seems more a narcissist than someone with true passion for his beliefs.
I remember back in the day I used to watch milo talk alot. I was only a teenger maybe 15 or 16 and watching him own feminism and what not really appealed to my teenager mindset. Then around 17 I discovered jordan peterson and it felt like I grew up. Jordan Peterson talked about similar things but he talked about them like an adult. He really helped me mature in my beliefs and help me in life along the way.
this is literally my exact same story, I watched a lot of Ben Shapiro and Milo when I was younger and then when I discovered Peterson I realised how childish they both were and grew up
Why couldn't Jordan respond.? milo is just saying Jordan your amazing, but the left isn't playing fair so you'll be taken out by a lie even though you play fair
Yes, very perceptive. Psychological projection (sometimes blatant and knowing!) is quite common in The Right Wing. The Left may be more chaotic, but at least it projects less.
Why couldn't Jordan respond.? milo is just saying Jordan your amazing, but the left isn't playing fair so you'll be taken out by a lie even though you play fair
@@ajenee7773 because someone who doesn't care actually doesn't need to say that he doesn't care. What Milo thinks at says is just of no importance at all. So the only think Jordan did was trying to help him a bit.
ThePlacatorySock I agree with you but probably for a different reasons than you’d expect. Milo has been rejected by ‘polite’ society, I don’t think he cares. I think he relishes it, but he did not think it would be this bad. If Milo had progressive values he would still be in the limelight.
NeoConsAre Communists I don’t reject Milo! I don’t agree with a lot of what he says, but I think he’s interesting, funny, and a valuable voice in the debate.
@Horace Debacle It's a thing the anonymous do, to protect their pride from reality. It seems to work somewhat like the horse archer raids of antiquity; race in, do minimal harm, and race out before anyone can tag you. Makes as much sense strategically as it doesn't intellectually. Further, What's Good is plainly accurate in his assessment of Milo; dude contradicts himself every other sentence. (that's called a performative contradiction) That Morales is getting so worked up would seem to point ironically to his emotional attachment to Milo.
The symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder include: grandiose sense of importance, preoccupation with unlimited success, belief that one is special and unique, exploitative of others, lack of empathy, arrogance, and jealousy of others. These symptoms cause significant distress in a person's life.
The good professor just gave us all lesson in how to deal with a narcissistic smartass as politely as you can. .This all at a time when he himself is recovering from withdrawal and the debilitating effects that suddenly ceasing 'cold turkey' his medication had on him. Get well soon professor the world needs you.
Milo isn’t wrong here, well not wrong in the sense that he’s being a smart ass. It’s a decent point that he is making. I don’t think it’s out of spite or wishing ill on Peterson or anyone else
@@Attiues I'm baggin up mad shit, puttin it on the street I never snorted but I find myself shorted every weekend Shit is disappearin and I'm lookin for the logic Of why my shit gets lower every time I count the profit It never fails again, these bitches drawers they go back up One hundred here, two hundred here, but all that shit adds up So I'm layin for the traitor So I can put foot in they ass cause I'm a motherfucking bitch hater! So I'm peepin out the spot for a week If I catch one of these bitches stashin bread she'll be dead meat I took one to the bath and tried to knock it Feelin on her ass, hey yo bitch what's this in your pocket? Aha finally caught your ass! The bitch had my cash, I rolled up inside her stash She started coppin a plea but I ain't really tryin to hear her I snatched her by her hand, bashed her face up in the mirror I threw her right on the ground and then her skirt revealed her panties Now a nigga's ready to shove his dick up in her fanny I hit the bitch like one more time and then I just said fuck it Pulled my zipper down, whipped out my dick and made her suck it I'm rammin my dick inside of her mouth and tryin to make her choke Then I grabbed the back of her head and shot come down her throat I beat her and I dissed the bitch for tryin to steal my cash So yo don't interrupt me when I'm whoopin on my bitch ass
Knowing Jordan’s story about his daughter and wife’s health as well as his own, it’s comical to hear Milo say he hasn’t been through anything like he had. Yes, I know that’s not what he was referring to but that’s why it’s comical.
@Tyler Lyon so Tyler, you claim to know Peterson's story yet argue contrary to Milo's statement of Milo's perspective yet STILL use the word 'comical' in relation to Peterson's personal suffering. Tyler Lyon: you are an abysmal mindless insufferable moron. you should simply prevent words from happening in your brain. that may assist in the continuation of the human species.
I watched the entire video when it came out and found it very refreshing -- two guys not afraid to be really honest and challenge each other's core values. I hope they do it again.
U judged him and then said u have no idea who he his. U sound like u got a lot to prove man. Plus struggle sometimes doesn’t make u stronger anyhow. Sometimes it just breaks u and ur never the same
He’s way too conceited to really listen to himself talk and hear what a complete narcissist he sounds like, I don’t think I’ve heard a single interview/speech where he doesn’t sing his own praises like a fucking choir. It’s his fans that are turning their backs on him, not because of some stupid video someone made trying to get people to think he’s a pedophile or whatever it was, I’m not really aware of it, just going by what he’s saying here, I lost interest loooooong before any of that ever happened and it was 100% because he’s a narcissistic twat.
I never got that from him. Why do you expect him to be perfect anyway? I actually think he's hard on himself and some of his self-congratulations are sarcasm.
He said it himself so many times "I am a provocateur" and it is what he does provoque people and create mayham even if he says somethings he doesn't actually mean like a trickster injured by his own tricks.
Milo: 'Because nobody stood up for me, the playbook got established. Now that is your fate. All of you. that's how you're all going to go out'. I'm surprised to see Milo's 'petty-vengeful-vindictive' side surface here against Jordan Peterson, of all persons. This kind of demise is tragic. He thinks he's being particularly objective and brave. Noble and uncompromised. 'A purist, in a way that you're not'. Instead, his accusation that Peterson still wants to 'operate in the prestige economy' (not losing position), comes off as this 'lady doth protest too much'. Bitterly. I agree with Kate Buckingham: 'Milo DOES CARE about the so called Prestige Economy'.
He says he doesn’t care about it in the same way ugly people say it’s only what’s on the inside that matters. Like, yeah, it’s true, but you don’t have any other option but to think that.
@@SilverWealth_Draper_Mint Have you seen the lectures and interviews JP has done or been involved in? He doesn't keep his tongue in his pocket when it matters, he's quite confrontational when he needs to be. In his own words, he says a man needs to be dangerous so he knows what danger is when it comes after him. I may be paraphrasing cause I don't believe it was exactly those words, but it was something similar. Conduct yourself responsibly, but be dangerous if the situation calls for it. If there's one thing I don't believe JP is, it's a hypocrite.
Little rule of thumb: Someone who truly doesn't care would never care enough to tell you they don't care, because they don't care whether you care about what they care about or not. So hearing those words "I dont care" is almost always a red flag, especially so if said with the tone Milo had.
@@hadiyahabib7990 Milo had this whole thing where he talked about having a sexual experience with an older man when he was underage. He said this is a common dynamic in the gay community (something conservative evangelicals have said for decades and used to be common knowledge, but has been hidden by the media over the past couple decades). He then implied it wasn't a bad experience and he gained from it. It essentially condoned sexual abuse and put in everybody's mind that, given the right situation, Milo would be willing to, and probably already had, preyed on youth, sexually. Across the board conservatives dropped speaking engagements with him. His book deal was forfeited, etc. He kind of walked it back, saying that he was just expressing an honest reality of his experience, and he does not condone that sort of behavior. However, given his I-don't-care-what-society-thinks attitude, and happy transgression of any small rules of politeness and social behavior, it seemed unlikely he would restrain himself sexually either. So it wasn't worth the risk to associate with him. He was then considered a sort of toxic individual and rejected by people that had been too quick to jump on the he's-a-gay-trump-supporter-so-that's-good-trolling-material bandwagon.
I used to love Milo and still do like him but I believe his joy at becoming a controversial commentator went to his head and make him believe he was untouchable. Then he stopped thinking about what he was saying and indulged far too much in emotion and ego led statements without remembering he'd have to provide answers for them. He just seems like a bitter ex rock star now.
Exactly. There are certain personalities that are destined for a major fall; we should call this the "BBP" type (Breaking Bad Personality). It's the result of allowing our ego to drive our thoughts vs other, less self-promoting motives.
Brendan Gill great points but I’m wondering if your just miss interpreting how tough he is, this is one tough cookie, speaking to JP like this, no one else gets near in saying such direct but truthful stuff to him, Milo really is one tough smart dude, have faith in him, the discussion is about smear and the cancel culture, people being disposable, he hasn’t really changed as much as you think, he knew he was going to be taken out at some point he is just trying to prepare JP and others, including ourselves, for this eventuality, thats an act of love, not ego
Agreed. He's so desperate to seem relevant, thought of not being so would utterly destroy him. I have a feeling it absolutely drove him nuts Peterson wasn't taking the bait.
I don't think he was trying to win this conversation... Milo was basically ranting jealousy about how JP got to get all together while his burnt down. I think JP was just sympathizing about this poor man.
there is literally no 'given' victor of a argument by reference or representation. arguments for example a given discussion of concept or social discourse is for learning communication and betterment of concept and social process. if you need to win and argument , as per your apparent capacity to intellect, go argue with your lawn ornaments, you might actually win that one. depending of course on what you yourself consider winning an argument to mean .
I enjoyed that Dr. Peterson did not waste his energy in a response. He is so professional that he does not feel the intended jab because he is WORKING, with Milo, not having a social conversation. Milo seems like he is high on Adderal. . Lower the dose of whatever it is. No impulse control. I actually like Milo. Something is off.
@@ellencampbell3921 I don't mind him - I think that he played an extremely important cultural role when he was popular. Of course he got unfairly treated - all of these people did. It seems like he wants to claim that he stayed real; I think he was riding the tiger, fell off and couldn't figure out how to recover. I think they got him because he was forced to confront his own experience as a child with an adult which was sexual abuse, but which he interpreted as him being gay and that he had control. He couldn't take his statement back without dealing with whatever happened to him, and had so much tied up in his existing idea of what it all was. Very ugly business and of course the people who did that to him are absolute animals.
@@punjab135 unfairly treat? Milo, got away with a lot of shit until the well got dry. A joker can only take something so far. Substance is needed and why Jordan and other weer able to propel and unphased by multiple failed takedowns.
@@cwegers3 Nobody cares who you don't want linked to anybody else. The whole reason he has an audience in the first place is because people were sick of guilt by association shit affecting their personal lives. That is why it angered his fans when he threw Faith Goldy under the bus, for example. (is she a clown too? you didn't bother to outline your criteria for judging somebody as such so yeah...)
@Kane Abel Of course he is. That doesn't make the comment here ok. Peterson and Yiannopoulos both have big egos, and neither are as great as their fans make them out to be. I don't blame people for hating one or the other, however the policing of who people are allowed to associate with is a hallmark of political correctness so there's a difference between hating Milo for logical reasons vs. "He's a spooky right-wing extremist" type stuff.
"They're gonna get you anyway. Nothing bad has happened to you, but it's going to." "They visited me and questioned me with great interest and eagerness, for man loves to see the downfall and disgrace of the righteous." -- The Karamázov Brothers The jealousy and frustration is so pronounced in Milo's discourse.
Best part about this. Jordan had been incredibly ill at that stage, but was still stable and true to himself which was wonderful to see. All the best to he and his family.
In his berating, separating and superior self affirmations, he is quite literally building his own 'prestige economy' of which he can be the king. He is at once the head victim, the most puritanical observer, the most honest and the always right.
@Ethan Hobigant Roche Likewise ... Whilst to a certain degree, all professors, of whatever subject, desire a certain degree of prestige, especially in the STEM fields, where competition for tenure, at the best schoold, can be fierce. The old adage "publish, or perish", may be still true, where there is the dual stressors of both teaching and research, in order to publish, in order to keep up a certain output, in order thar they maybe cited, in order to progress their career. But where I, personally, think Milo got it wrong is that, at the same time, Dr. Peterson also had a clinical practice, where he was treating actual clients, with very real world issues, of which he firmly refuses to talk about, except in very broad, general terms. For me, then, he is very much fixed on what he can do to help others, and how to, genuinely, lift those whom are hurting, up. And so, whilst he is on that academic treadmill, now that he has exploded on to the scene, with a feedback that genuinely moves him to tears at just the utter paucity of understanding and care for, and about, young men, that the small tiny cup of reassurance, of comfort, and hope he gives, can refresh souls, he has something which, if he gets off of that treadmill, his career won't be over ... it will just look different ... And that is what utterly separates Milo from Jordan. Milo has never spent hours unpon hours listening to a whole gamut of human suffering, tyring to figure out the best way for the person sitting across from them to get through their crisis. Instead, until his husband, all he had was himself. Trouble is, spend too much time in your head, and you'll end up seeing things through just a single lense, hence why he think Dr. Peterson will end up like him. But Dr. Peterson has bulit himself upon a much stronger and deeper, foundation, that Milo built for himself, and thus it will take a lot more than a drunken interview to blow Dr. Peterson over ... not that he would ever be involved in an interview even after a single pint, or glass of wine, in the first place ...
Good point & one I hadn't even considered. He's basically making his own club house and putting a sign outside saying no meanies allowed because he got kicked out of the one everyone else is having fun in.
Milonoppulouse is completely ruled by ego, look at his condescending facial expression as he says "Ummm not really, nothing bad has happened to you" thats the highest level of ignorance, assuming you know someone else's personal truth
He blame everybody but himself when he put out that audio tape of Richard Spencer it had to be fake because he was in the bar hanging out with Richard Spencer
A lot of his best takes (for example his sexodus article series) were the products of others around him, especially Allum Bokhari. I don't think there's really anything to like here that is actually Milo.
