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Joseph Cox - How You Can Buy ATT TMobile and Sprint Real Time Location Data - DEF CON 27 Conference 

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@theycallmefilip
@theycallmefilip 4 года назад
It wouldn't be a DEFCON talk without bad audio...
@svampebob007
@svampebob007 4 года назад
They've only done this for 27 years, give them a break...
@raysboomboomroom4800
@raysboomboomroom4800 4 года назад
all these nerds and no one has AV skills
@DustinRodriguez1_0
@DustinRodriguez1_0 4 года назад
I would think an "exigent circumstances" request should simply require the person making the request to consent to thorough investigation of their request afterward, agreeing to be penalized criminally and with a permanent ban from using the service should they fail to show a legitimate use later. This should also involve if they do not provide a judge-backed warrant or similar court order within 72 hours, the person whose information was tracked would immediately be informed of what information was provided to who. None of this would be any burden at all for legitimate law enforcement uses. But it would make it much harder for illegitimate uses to get through.
@LostieTrekieTechie
@LostieTrekieTechie 4 года назад
I'm not surprised, but holy hell.
@thelittleittybittypityshow6380
@thelittleittybittypityshow6380 4 года назад
96fps_from_mars actually it’s unholy Hell
@nicolali4792
@nicolali4792 4 года назад
The defcon talk about programming sim cards into a home brewed gsm cell network with financial visa mastercard apps for dumb phones is a must watch if you're into this stuff. But I can't find it to link it so maybe it's already been censored. Ugh. I was a first level tech support for my province's telco 2004-2006 the stuff we learned about the gsm towers, people just don't beleive me because they can't google it to verify it. If you ever need to run from the police the first thing you do is stop using your cell and don't use another one until you're safe again. Cops would call in to the call centre and I took a few calls where I had to look on the coverage map to ping location of phone numbers to half a block accuracy (this was 2004-2006). The info is all in the towers.
@JeremiahMcaninch
@JeremiahMcaninch 4 года назад
Interesting that I don't see any concerns around privacy with 5G. If they have these towers on every corner block, these pings are going to be much more precise.
@gg-gn3re
@gg-gn3re 3 года назад
Meh they were already accurate enough 30 years ago to spot someone. Just need more towers in more places. the 5G won't change that, only city areas will get them. Out in no-where-USA it's still 3G all over. The biggest benefit is the automated cars being able to run themselves better so we can get all the idiots off the road (meaning literally everyone)
@theloniousMac
@theloniousMac 4 года назад
One of the cases always sighted when people worry about location data is an abused woman and her stalking boyfriend or husband. What if there was a service that would alert the abused person when their stalker was within half a mile?
@w3w3w3
@w3w3w3 4 года назад
Sounds good, where do I sign up? Hehe.
@psydf9483
@psydf9483 4 года назад
What increases safety/privacy? Does turning OFF the phone? Librem 5 (Purism)???
@psydf9483
@psydf9483 4 года назад
Faraday Bag? (real one)
@Derbauer
@Derbauer 4 года назад
Fascinating, thanks for the presentation.
@brichusi
@brichusi 4 года назад
We are still pinging phones. There will always be sources for these cellid and agps hits. Cost $100 each via API
@andrewferguson6901
@andrewferguson6901 4 года назад
are you really advertising phone pings on a defcon vid. That's brave, guy
@svampebob007
@svampebob007 4 года назад
@@andrewferguson6901 As Curtis James Jackson III would say "get rich or die tryin"
@lyfandeth
@lyfandeth 4 года назад
Property managers could use the data to find out if you are not living on the property, illegally subletting. (Big issue on rent controlled properties, condos being illegally rented, and airbnb party houses.) PollyAnna says there could be other non-nefarious uses.
@IndependenceCityMotoring
@IndependenceCityMotoring 4 года назад
So how does this work for carriers like Google Fi which use other carriers' networks?
@nullvoid3545
@nullvoid3545 4 года назад
yes this works on any of the four carriers as long as they use their towers.
@nonnymoose7005
@nonnymoose7005 4 года назад
This is particularly interesting because Fi phones can switch between networks based on strength -- my guess would be that it works, but only if you get the right carrier at the time that the phone is using it (or you query all carriers at the same time).
@gg-gn3re
@gg-gn3re 3 года назад
No different there. Only different with VOIP shit, untrackable depending on how you use it.
@fredfloyd68
@fredfloyd68 7 месяцев назад
Great find.Close them down...prosecute....
@aziztcf
@aziztcf 4 года назад
comment for the algorithm
@googleuser561
@googleuser561 4 года назад
bet
@greensoplenty6809
@greensoplenty6809 4 года назад
homeless guy told me his boss had em get bounty hunting license so if hes stopped by the police while smuggling meth for his boss he can tell the cops hes in pursuit of a suspect and must be let go quick! looks like millions of taxes maybe alot more go to phone companies from police every year.
@terimakasih6350
@terimakasih6350 4 года назад
Best phone is no phone
@leland818
@leland818 4 года назад
How would this work if someone was using a VoIP service such as Google voice at Cetera
@Username-ms5xb
@Username-ms5xb 4 года назад
Probably not pingable, but still trackable.
@magustrigger9195
@magustrigger9195 4 года назад
Likely the ip address would be tracked, then if your device has a gps chip to collate that too.
@gg-gn3re
@gg-gn3re 3 года назад
It doesn't work at all if all you use is wifi and have no sim card in your phone. Nearly every carrier randomizes IP locations so they're really shitty to find anyone. You'd need the same type of "backdoor" ISP access to check someones actual location. Most IP for carriers are somewhere "kind of" close to the city of.. 30 million people (aka no where close)
@j-nasty3056
@j-nasty3056 4 года назад
On that "news report" from locateurcell.com it says Dan Grable is who gave Frank Rabitto. On the pdf, at the bottom left and right corners, there are links to both a small florida based social media site geared towards small businesses and, more interestingly, a site called Technavia.com which specializes in spinning up "news articles" as well as mobile apps, websites, etc... What is interesting is that they use a "Unique" wordpress API to do so. Interesting.
@holyravioli5795
@holyravioli5795 4 года назад
Is this really the black market though?
@bbbbeeeaar
@bbbbeeeaar 4 года назад
Well it's an illegal transaction of services done kinda secretly, so yes.
@Sezdik
@Sezdik 4 года назад
well that is long known but never explained so clearly. There is no Privacy on the internet end..
@ArlenBrackovic
@ArlenBrackovic 4 года назад
At least cercareone doesn't exist anymore
@marcosj809
@marcosj809 4 года назад
Audio is super bad on this video
@lucasthompson1650
@lucasthompson1650 4 года назад
I'm up in Canada, we need to access a Huawei phone …
@bodygraber
@bodygraber 4 года назад
The top Electronic people from around the world and who is doing audio?
@dominusdelecti
@dominusdelecti 4 года назад
Phone contracts clearly state your data will be collected, stored, & sold to their partners. ~Besides, your data does not belong to you anymore so don't worry about it.
@sovereignD
@sovereignD 4 года назад
52 comments... Share the 🤬 out of this!!!
@MorningStarChrist
@MorningStarChrist 4 года назад
The goal is reasonable doubt. That's why there's so many inferences.
@sovereignD
@sovereignD 4 года назад
"Plausible Deniability" is what I believe you're going for...
@foompthedroid
@foompthedroid 4 года назад
Ninteen comments and more than half are political. Sad. I thought we were a community of like minded industrious individuals who look to the social good and calling out vulnerabilities of unknown issues. Not grandstanding on politics they don't have any control over.
@HomerGumther
@HomerGumther 4 года назад
It's all one guy too not sure why this particular really small comment section about something almost entirely unrelated is there void to scream into Could also be a bot, who knows
@foompthedroid
@foompthedroid 4 года назад
@Frank Jomungle The social good, the art of cooperation without regard of political leanings, race, creed, religion, or color, to expose those who work against the common good of the people.
@belliotrungy9107
@belliotrungy9107 4 года назад
Most of the political comments are from one guy
@matthanson16
@matthanson16 4 года назад
Hey - I'm not sure if anyone actually reads the RU-vid comments, but I'm pretty sure I can prove my former employer and a different corporation colluded to have me arrested for harassment. Get in touch with me if you think I'm lying, but first, watch the whole video.
@BigPromise
@BigPromise 4 года назад
wow
@brichusi
@brichusi 4 года назад
PhoneSearch.us if you need to lookup phones name and address info
@TremereTT
@TremereTT 4 года назад
I have nothing to hide, so what might probably go wrong?..... Is that also possible under GDPR in Europe? I mean we have no menhunters like the USA. So the only way would be the rout from agregator of data? I don't think they can give my dataway.
@shockingguy
@shockingguy 4 года назад
Ha ha ha what the other reply said 👍 ha ha ha ha Foolish person Send me your number I’ll tell you where you had lunch
@stefanstenroos6344
@stefanstenroos6344 4 года назад
"I have nothing to hide" Governments and private entities decide that. Not you.
@shockingguy
@shockingguy 4 года назад
Stefan Stenroos Yeah I don’t think so
@magustrigger9195
@magustrigger9195 4 года назад
If you have nothing to hide becuase what your doing today isn't illegal, but next week it might be. Then when the person you meet becomes persona non grata your a criminal for your past association. Not to mention corporation's can now market to you better and send you ads and products based on your location, associations, or a bank could say we dont like your politics and cease working with you ala chase bank not working with certain political groups/ideologies.
@trinkladd
@trinkladd 4 года назад
I find it funny when people find out the stuff going on. Like they uncovered some big secret. When it’s been known about for a long time. If you knew everything you would have your mind blown.
@bige689
@bige689 4 года назад
Uh oh
@peterjansen4894
@peterjansen4894 4 года назад
I stopped watching when I heard he is from 'Vice'.
@nullvoid3545
@nullvoid3545 4 года назад
large news aggregates suck, but this guy had useful information and clearly had good intentions. maybe watch it anyway to learn something, could be useful.
@0x2d
@0x2d 4 года назад
Stopped watching as soon as he said he was from vice/motherboard
@HairyCaveMan
@HairyCaveMan 4 года назад
Why? At least he wasn't from The Verge.
@SearchingForSounds
@SearchingForSounds 4 года назад
Well done Brad
@nullvoid3545
@nullvoid3545 4 года назад
large news aggregates suck, but this guy had useful information and clearly had good intentions. maybe watch it anyway to learn something, could be useful.
@belliotrungy9107
@belliotrungy9107 4 года назад
Brad Brad like Bam Bam? Flintstones. Your playlists are really weird. Who cannot love this guys haircut? Bounces more than Amy Klobarchars
@0x2d
@0x2d 4 года назад
@@belliotrungy9107 yea that's what happens when you let a 4 yr old play with your phone. I'm also subbed to about 20 different peppa pig channels :(
@MorningStarChrist
@MorningStarChrist 4 года назад
You're mad because you're wrong
@MorningStarChrist
@MorningStarChrist 4 года назад
These Republicans need to act like Americans. Not some political party. Get rid of trump and end the political part fads for both dems and reps
@wolu9456
@wolu9456 2 года назад
agreed they're all evil and the psychopaths have badges and immunity.
@spiffinz
@spiffinz Год назад
This is what TDS looks like lmao
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