Journalist Elizabeth Winkler reads from Shakespeare Heresies book 

Thus Bacon spoke in defense of his cousin the Earl of Oxford and all great authors.

​@@rstritmatter why is it at the time of Edward de Vere's death that no eulogies were given?

Elizabeth's book quotes extensively from authorship researchers from all all perspectives. Her use of sources proves conclusively that that the Stratfordian belief is the delusion that cannot withstand critical and informed scrutiny.

In William Leahy, ed., "My Shakespeare: The Authorship Controversy," "experts examine the arguments for Bacon, Neville, Oxford, Marlowe, Mary Sidney, Shakspere, and Shakespeare." (Brighton, UK: Edward Everett Root, 2018). Essays by: Alan Nelson; Diana Price; Alexander Waugh; Ros Barber; John Casson; William D. Rubenstein, and David Ewald; Robin Williams; Barry Clarke; and William Leahy.

​@@rstritmatterOf she could do that, why can't you? Of course, she can't. She hasn't convinced anyone who wasn't part of the tiny faction of the true believers.

@@Jeffhowardmeade Talk about wishful thinking; get your head out of the hole. Your reasoning is no stronger than your proofreading skills or your command of the empirical evidence. Good luck with your future attempts at suppression of debate. You will lose.

@@rstritmatter Well there certainly has been a massive uptick in the number of signatories to the DoRD since he book came out, right? No? Hmmm...wonder why not.

"... soon people will start listening." You've been claiming that for over a century.

Agree. Seems to be a disease spreading through contemporary society.

it is nearly impossible to get someone to understand something if their job depends on them not understanding it.

​@@andy-the-gardenerOr if it's utter nonsense.

And how would we know what they actually say without knowing who wrote them?

And what does THAT have to do with the price of tea in China?

That's a frequent cop-out.

That's Playitis, a serious disease very common among Stratfordians. It's where people forget about the existence of the Sonnets

@@chrisgamble4939 Right. A convenient lapse of memory. They likewise are quite uncomfortable with the narrative poems as they contradict the image of Shakespeare as a practical working-class playwright.

She is the one who sought out Shakespeare scholars, who frankly have better things to do that to listen to the same long-debunked claims over and over again. There are plenty of people show could have interviewed who don't earn a dime from Shakespeare who could easily have answered her speculations, but she didn't ask them. She had to accost a 92 year-old man.

? @Jeffhowardmeade I must be very stupid, because I absolutely don't understand what you were trying to say. To put it bluntly: Did you like or hate Elizabeth Winkler?

@@waggishsagacity7947 "She had to accost a 92 year-old man." Should make my feelings pretty clear. But I'll try saying it another way to see if that helps. Scholars like Shapiro and Greenblatt and Garber have been putting up with this nonsense for their entire careers. Winkler's thesis is that denying Shakespeare is an academic taboo, which she "proves" by going after a bunch of academics who are the equivalent of epidemiologists having to listen to yet another anti-vaxxer. They have been asked and answered this stupid conspiracy theory long and They don't want to deal with it anymore not because it's taboo but because it's a tedious waste of time. The only one she could get to address the issue was a very old man who asks accuses of lying when he claims not to remember one of the most obscure references to Shakespeare of the 17th Century. And even then she gets the reference wrong. When another (Garber, I think) says she doesn't care who the author was, and that she's a professor of literature, Winkler questions the honesty of that answer as well. Nobody is obliged to defend their position to crackpots. If they don't want to, it's not because the subject is taboo, or because they fear for their tenure or position in the Shakespeare Patriarchy. It's because it's beneath them. But it's not beneath me, a lowly retired civil servant, with nothing but a state college degree and a love of Shakespeare to my credit. I could inundate Winkler with documentary evidence that Shakespeare was the actor and gentleman from Stratford all day long. But she's not going to ask me, now, is she?

​@@waggishsagacity7947 Jeff Howard doesn't know what he's saying. He's an internet troll hard at work defending dweebs like James Shapiro.

she is not actually claiming that at all. the title (shakespeare was a woman) is simply being entertaining and provocative. and why not. at the end of the day, (relative to overpopulation, energy and the 6th mass extinction etc etc) who shakespeare was is a subject of zero importance. she seems to be making two points. firstly, there is about as much evidence shakespeare was a woman as the endless stratfordian suppositions created entirely from whole cloth. and if shakespeare was a cabal of many writers, under the patronage of eddie de vere, with de vere having the greatest input, as increasingly looks to be the case, certain female authors may indeed have penned some of it. the plays certainly had to pass the scrutiny of queen elizabeth, so in a way, she had an input, and may even have contributed quite a lot of ideas in discussions with de vere and others

I think you have that backwards. The "woke" ( and yes I"m proudly anti-woke ) are aligned with the University community. They are in lockstep agreement that so-called unacceptable speech must be censored out of existence. The Stratfordian Professors are predecessors of and contributors to the woke movement because they are liars who are trying to censor any contrary ideas out of existence. @@alexleanh

@@andy-the-gardener Now don't expect Mooneman327 to actually read the book. He's here to condescend with his own assumptions.