JOURNEY HOME - 2024-03-04 - JEREMY McLELLAN 

You are deceiver , like Satan in the garden of Eden, only in Catholic you find the true Jesus Christ. The rest are fake like you. If you want to find the true Jesus, study and research the Catholic faith.

He is. He is baptised.

To be “born again” is to be baptized. What you confuse is the on going conversion of the heart we all christians have to persevere till the end with a “one time statement of faith”. Justification is a process which starts with baptism but continues with our “yes” to God the rest of our lives.

You are so ignorant about Catholic Baptism which is the rebirth in Jesus Christ.

@@atgred trust your baptism in faith, i.e. in Jesus. Everything is a gift. There is not a process in justification. You are justified in Jesus, by grace, through the gift of faith, in word and sacraments. This is your justification. It is ''extra nos'' and is absolutely God's work.

John 6. Deal with it.

1 Peter 3:21. Baptism now saves you…

@@FigaroHey John 6:47 KJV Bible “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.”

@@lindahill7840 John 3:3 KJV Bible “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

Talking about following traditions of men named Luther or Calvin. We Catholics follow Jesus. Go to Mass and find out for yourself. “DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME” and “WHOEVER EATS MY FLESH AND DRINKS MY BLOOD HAS ETERNAL LIFE”. That IS THE CENTER, Christ HIMSELF.

What is the true visible Church between Christ's Ascension and your Confessional Lutheranism? Are you still utterly sinful even with the grace of God? St. Paul would say by no means. Regarding synergy, God takes precedence in the walk of grace. Synergy happens because the walk of grace involves free will. Humans/Christians are not puppets. This is Catholic teaching.

@@atgred , I agree. But, Rome, Constantinople and Protestants also believe in synergism. This is the crux of the problem. When someone teaches synergism, he sooner or later put the focus on his deeds and he goes away from the sacraments. He tends to present the gospel as a new law, which is not. Synergism is not the gospel.

@@isaacosahon4352 , dear friend, the true, invisible, gospel-centered, Christ-centered, grace-centered church is the one in which Luther and so many Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox' and other christians before the Reformation belonged. The Reformation was and ''Epanastasis'' as we say in greek. Revolution. In greek, it means ''we put back to its original position what was there before''. The true church was and is always invisible. But, the confessional lutheran one has one more advantage. It is the visible true church also. Because it does not teach synergism but clings only to Christ, not to our deeds. Your ''we are not puppets'' argument is not a strong one. Usually, Rome uses it, but with it she tends to present an inactive God, completely dependent on human will. This is not the gospel. This is ancient greek philosophy of virtue, platonism and neo-platonism. Rome forgets what we read in Romans 8, 28-30. Everything is from God, absolutely divine in our salvation. We are predestined in salvation (not the double predestination Calvin told about) nor a sum of divine grace PLUS our deeds as Rome teaches. You can never have assurance of salvation this way. The gospel is security, assurance. And you know where your predestination is. It is in your baptism, in the holy eucharist, in the absolution, by grace, through the gift of faith. For you. No, we can not save ourselves. We are sinful. We can not save ourselves alone or co-operating with the divine grace. If we could do it with the aid of grace, then why did Jesus have to sacrifice Himself for us? We are saved only by faith, i.e. only by Christ. There i plenty of good confessional lutheran material in the internet. Do your research. Also, find a good LCMS church. Love and health I wish you. Bye, my friend. I love roman catholics, but I love the truth more.

@@user-nj1rc9hk4h I could edit everything you just said, but in the Catholic context. Since you called Rome a defender of the "heresy" where God works with the human free will that He created, allow me to use the term correctly and call your community a defender of heresy that makes God a "control freak." So tell me, why is Christ's church "invisible" until Confessional Lutheranism? A Mormon can easily make a similar claim you just made. God is the absolute source of salvation, and no Catholic denies it. Citing Romans 8:28-30 does not answer whether free will has a role in salvation, but there are over three to seven other verses that show that man must freely choose to follow Christ and avoid grave sins. That is why the answer the visible Church gave right before confessional Lutheranism is both God's grace and free will. Was it your synergistic free will to send your extended response to me, or did God's grace control you to do this? I hope your answer is both and. Did the inspired writers document scripture with their free will, or did the Holy Spirit grace them to do so? Again I hope your answer is both and.