JRPGs That Only Get Worse 

Can't wait until the final update when they reveal Paimon was the main villain the whole time

Cooking ( with ) Paimon when

I mute the game because of paimon

Isn’t paimon literally the name of a demon?

For real, any fairy in a game is suspicious now and when I DM in tabletop RPGs and introduce fairies, I sure know what to do.

Playing with the free characters alone is like a built in challenge run

​​@@Super_Hambone eh ? If you invest even a bit of time in artifact, these characters get reaaaaaaalllly good.

@@regalseagull Yeah but that would require farming artifacts. And if you're grinding the harder bosses with just the starter characters without a build already for them then you're asking to get hurt.

The game is boring as is too

Free characters are not us bad as you may think . They are very serviceable and some have actually gotten better through the progression of the game . Also the game sometimes would give free four stars on events and you really don't need to pull a 5star to beat the game comfortably.

I'd also recommend these anime that also greatly inspired Xenogears... -Armored Trooper VOTOMS -Five Star Stories -Detonator Orgun -Panzer World Galient -Aura Battler Dunbine -Tekkaman Blade

@@mattmaddogwheaton4724 Dunbine is great 👌🏻

@@LeooSaGoh Dunbine STARTS GREAT, but oh , Ohh man, it gets bad after a while, they forget their rules, Armors just pop up everywhere... and when they go back to the real world on the third act? You just want it to end Already... because is So bad, is a completely Different Anime...and in Classic Tomino Fashion he just wipes everybody out... LOL. I can understand why... Others you mentioned are great, but I Think Xenogears is like a General homage to SR and RR mecha Genre, from Mazinger , Macross, Yusha Series, and others Like you said Votooms, Orgun , MS Stardust Memories, and many more...

@@migovas1483 I recommend Back Arrow as a MODERN tribute to Xenogears. Those above are good prototipes. I mention Dunbine because of Tomino-san(UC Gundam, Ideon, Dunbine) who also inpired Hideaki Anno(Evangelion). Thanks to all those great writers we got the best JRPG-Visual Novel: Xenogears.

Back arrow never heard about it. But as I know evangelion is the closest to xenogear

Sorry man, i meant to be born a lot earlier😮‍💨

Imagine how 80s kids like me feel!

@@IIIEGOIII I'm with you bud. My back hurts.

@@IIIEGOIII I was going to say, I am old enough to be Hambone's mother!! I turned 22 that year!

90s kids be normal challenge

What about ff 7 and ff 7 remake, is that not good?

​@@Black_merchant IMO FF7's story was great but it was not as deep as Xenogears...and its only 1 of 6 parts of a bigger universe. You can check Xenogears Perfect Works for the bigger story.

@@Black_merchant Not the remake.

Ironically the "unfinished" ending was tacked on by SE.

It's not that hard to be better than xenogears story, ff7 original for example manage to do that just by having a better focus in term of ambition and what he want to achieve while xenogears is all over the place and shoot in his foot with underdevelopped plot point, plot conveniences, underdevelopped cast of characters, and obviously poorly delivered narrative in the second disk who just ruin the flow of pacing, entirely skip extremely important events in 4 lines etc... shit like that Yeah i'm kinda pissed off after enjoying the first disk and then the game throw this shitty disk and just ruin what i've been invested for more than 50 hours and straight up shit on a lot of good things from the first disk too if that was not enough

Rinwell busts that last dungeon in half

Blah blah blah NUKE

same for me but for slighty different reasons

Well considering there's only 6 playable characters, there's only 2 characters at any given time not participating in battle, but I used everyone almost equally, half the skills in the game can't even be unlocked without actually using the characters, and I feel Bandai Namco did such a great job with each character I figured it would be a sin to not use all of them, especially considering how few characters there are, what annoys me are the ppl who only play with alphen just because he's the main protagonist, it's kind of a silly reason to ignore the majority of content over such a weird mindset, why limit yourself and handicap yourself like that, your just making the game more repetitive than it actually is

Dohalim is underrated So many enemies in the final part are literally weak against his attack types

Bro same. The bosses are so overly spongy it’s insane

bruh the game was soo perfect and the later half just threw everything away, i didnt even bother clearing the final dungeon. also story went to sht as there's too much talking going on on later half.

Combat is the best part of tales of arise, it was by far the best rpg of 2021

Did you actually use all the characters?, just making sure your not one of those weird ppl who only play with alphen just because he's the main protagonist, extremely silly reason to handicap yourself and ignore the majority of content, I would give up to if I could only play as 1 of 6 characters, the point of tales games is mastering each character and building them from the ground up with equipment and skills

Nah I really do love that game and I don’t mind sponges bosses but when every single enemy was a mini boss towards the end I said nah…this ain’t it.

Catmancer has gotta be the greatest job concept in Square Enix history

​@@Super_HamboneCatmancer and Blue Mage classes in general have always been goated whenever they show up in squeenix games Still can't believe they did them dirty like that in FFXIV.

@@tw0bold they are great in xiv wdym

@@wulf2863 They're not a real class

Unironically one of the best modern JRPG's.

I agree, if the game went for maybe 2 or 3 cycles then i probably wouldn't have put it on this list. In CONCEPT the twist is just so cool.

I agree too, I love BD but that loop was just a pain. But honestly I can look past it because the game is still fun regardless

Well BD's characters are fine but I really enjoyed the party chemistry of Second much more all the ball busting and gravy included XD

I preferred Bravely Second: End Layer. The time loops in BD really weren't that bad. People complain about a few repetitive bosses. Try playing a game like WoW where you grind everything hundreds of times.

as much that I love bravely second for the gameplay being so much better I have to agree that the story in Bravely default is better on the end game plot twist alone, too bad that it ends up ruining the gameplay as a result. Bravely second's gameplay is much nicer but I found that the story was kind of a confusing mess , its like they kept introducing lots of plot points that would get nowhere and didnt know what to do, but the gameplay makes up for it since it much more fun than the other two games. Bravely default 2 ended up being middle ground to me, the story is better than Second but its a bit generic compared to Default, and the gameplay I found to be worse because it lacked lots of the quality of life improvements from the other two games.

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I completed the story so far, have many characters, and still going to keep playing when they add more story. I never payed for anything, seems like a quality game to me.

Plenty of games get updates and aren't even half as popular as genshin

@@dez87 indeed. Could it be that genshin impact is actually a good game? 🤣Lol some people like the ones in these comments just like to complain. This poster was incorrect

I feel you on this one! Octopath is a beautiful game with a great combat system but good lord... it drains a man.

I have good news for you, then. Octopath 2 deals with it's post game content MUCH better. Endgame content is recommended level 51, which you'll very easily get to by the time you hit that point, with maybe a couple over leveled party members.

Octopath 2 is much better in that regards but I wish they would just use the chained echoes, all characters level up simultaneously, can change characters before starting so you have the optimal ones to beat the shield, and all characters are always healed after battle

Glad I'm not the only one. I hated that each time I'd switch to a character to do their story line I'd have to start grinding, or I run through a character's story with a lower leveled character. I never finished it because I got bored of grinding.

Yeah that was entertaining. Had no idea it was gonna happen either

That Ending straight up saves the game because you can beat it before it becomes bad.

"much more depth than any other story told at that time" I know this comment is old but this just comes across as ignorance.

@@mistertagomago7974 What JRPG strories come to your mind that have to offer more than Xenogears?

@@Salciin Wait why does it have to be jrpgs? I wouldve said Planescape Torment, The longest Journey, John Saul's Blackstone Chronicles, Gabriel knight series, and I have no mouth and I must scream.

​@@mistertagomago7974 Because I was specifically talking about PS1 Jrpgs in my comment :D Otherwise I would fully agree with yours. I don't know the games you have listed, but they look like really immersive games with interesting concepts and stories.

@@Salciin Honestly from what I know of it Linda Cubed might fit the bill. It was never released in English though. The playstation port is being fan translated though and the patch should hopefully be out in like 10 days. And that is the trend when I try to think of older games like that, no English translation.

It's a really charming game. Sexy alien.

I like BS a lot, but I think I'll always prefer Default

I disagree with you, but it is really refreshing to see another take on that part of the story and it's really cool seeing the strengths of it highlighted in a positive way. Glad you liked that part!

I agree with this; I understand why people didn’t like this section but it just didn’t bother me. I thought the twist was great and I already loved the bosses so I genuinely didn’t mind fighting them multiple times over.

At some point i need to make a video on those two games because despite my problems with BD, i LOVE bravely second

​@@Super_Hambone Bravely 2nd was the original creators taking the criticism towards bravely default seriously. Namely that people liked the game it just had issues and well they did exactly what the sequel was supposed to do fix the issues while still keeping what made the 1st good. And at least embravely default too they didn't make you have to redo sequences when you had To see all the endings.

I like Magnolia for two big reasons

@@vjbd2757 because she's deadly *and* sexy! It's a winning combination!

You will loathe Bravely Second too if you import the very 1st Japanese version of it. It's one of the rare case where it's better outside of Japan with the newer version If you want an (idea) how different it was, Red Nova Tyrant made a video about that

A proper Directors Cut with the scrapped/lost material and story ideas. If they still exist anyway

Only if square sells the rights to monolith.

​@@disgaealikerasapOG Yeah so they are forced to work on shitty nintendo hardware that can't keep a stable framerate and the game gets locked in console exclusivity for a device that will stop being relevant in the next 5 years and never get ported to other consoles, that'd be incredible

💀💀💀

​@@disgaealikerasapOG real shit. Takahashi and Saga should be the only people allowed to touch it along with monolith.

They're pretty deep in my backlog, but definitely on my radar

Yeah and the sequel Did mitigate it showing that they did take the criticism seriously

@@paulman34340 I never actually did play Bravely Second since i'll admit i'm one of those people that initially passed it up because I didn't find the soundtrack as good lol, but I haven't really touched the series outside of the first one so I really want to give it and 2 a proper crack now.

Second has some pretty fun classes which heightened the alreasy great combat. And sexy alien

@InspireTheLiars 2nd is a good game. And honestly the 2nd game the official 2nd game on the switch I've really been enjoying that. I remember the complaints word that they moved it to more of a atb system And I found the complaints against that kind of ridiculous I can understand because of the weight system. But seriously the game was always basically final Fantasy 5 inspired. Which had that system so yeah it's still good Regardless and of course didn't have the problems the 1st game had namely if they had cut out some of the reduce then yeah I would have not been p***** off about doing s*** again. Or at least fast forward it was annoying having it at the same thing over and over before the characters were like finally realizing something wasn't right. I was thankful when the final dungeon was opened up seriously. I will replay BS And BD2 Any day but I will never do BD1 ever Again that's the reason I 100% it in my 1st run

@@paulman34340 Yeah, I played a bit of 2's demo and I honestly kind of liked some of the new things they've done with the battle system even though it was kind of confusing due to how much they give you to start off with.

Sexy Alien supremacy

It's a song from SpongeBob lol

That explains it, haven't seen spongebob in ages lol@@Super_Hambone

The xenosaga games are titles i want to get my hands on soon. Its a crime i havent played them yet.

Xenosaga is absolutely leagues ahead of Xenoblade, though X is a good outing there. If Gears had been finished I think it would have at least competed with Saga 1 or 3 but as it stands that second 'half' just kills it.

​@@palladiamorsdeus gears got scuffed in disc 2 yeah but I'm pretty sure majority of people who have delved into the whole xeno series count gears as the greatest of them all when it comes to story and themes

@@palladiamorsdeus No.

@@potatofarmergyro1720 I certainly do.

Its a thing that's carried over from a lot of oldschool JRPGs which would often have extremely long final dungeons. For my pick of absurdly long final dungeon sequences I'd go with Final Fantasy 3. It has you run through 3 dungeons(4 if you count the optional one) back to back with your only chance to save being a roughly 3 step segment of the overworld between dungeons 1 and 2.

That would be Fire Emblem Engage!

@@Super_Hambone That was fast response, thanks bro

All bravely series have in common: being too grindy

the part with BS that annoyed me was the end boss phase two broke my strat 3 mages with the ghost condition from Confectioner (can't melee attack but can use magic) and the passive that gives free spell casts if low on hp since the condition counts as low/dead allowing for endless casting. Last party member was a knight with the passive to auto restore to their earlier condition so never had to worry about healing them the second phase took away the ghost condition even though I entered the final boss with it already on them

The issue is that the sidequest-mixups are the only good part of that second half. And the real fight remixes only start several worlds in.(And by that point, I couldn't be bothered anymore)

That's the xenoblade 3 battle theme

Oh yeah, the bangers are on their way.

I've never played any trails games but do they have a second half that shits the bed?

@@slobertooth1358 it's a saga of games separated into arcs. I wouldn't call it a second half that shits the game, but most games have the sauciest cliffhanger ending that leaves you with blue balls and makes you buy the sequel so you can know what happens next.

​@@slobertooth1358 yes

@@NotAFederalAgent-ot really? The games aren’t individual games like other Jrpgs, which is why the series is different because they are continuous in their stories. Even the worst arc (Cold Steel) actually has solid final acts than most Jrpgs. The most common thing I can say is that Falcom loves to make their final dungeons overly long, but that’s it.

@@slobertooth1358 The only thing that may apply for this list is that the game is split into multiple arcs (usually the name will change based off the Arc...for example there's the Trails in the Sky games (1 thru 3), The Trails of Cold Steel games (1 thru 4), and then the Crossbell games called Trails from Zero and Trails to Azure (the only ones not named the same name but part of the same arc that's called the Crossbell Arc), and while not released in the west yet the Kuro games (given the name Trails through Daybreak which will released sometime this summer). All of these games occur in the same world within about a 5 t 10 year time span so you see plot points form previous games mentioned and characters (including playable an nonplayable) come back in later games as such to get the best understanding of the series you would need to play all the games which there are 10 localized (soon 11 with Daybreak, the 10th is called Trails into Reverie and is a game that ties up the Cold Steel/Crossbell games plotlines as the 2 arcs occur side by side early on (Zero and Azure occur at the same time as Cold Steel 1 and 2 and the plots of both arcs tie together for Cold Steel 3 and 4 so it's recommended you play those 4 no matter what before Cold Steel 3 and 4)) so the biggest issue for new players is how much catchup they'd have to do with playing 10 (soon 11) games before the newest entry to get total understanding of the series plot...or watch youtube cutscene only playthroughs I guess (may miss some stuff here or there that's optional though). The other issue is that every first game of an arc (Sky 1, Zero, CS3, Kuro 1/Daybreak 1) is generally setup for the 2nd game (or later) events so most people view the first games of each arc as a bit more bland compared to the 2nd (or later) games. However said setup is necessary and generally are examples of good writing in the games industry...granted for people that want to jump right into the climax it's torture I guess as they'll need to go 1 game before they hit the real meat of the arc (granted the ending chapters of each first game is generally good and has it's own climatic ending going on too but usually it's not involved with the series overall villain group but more so a different villain/plotline unique to that first game with the main villain group setting things up in the background while the main cast is focused on the other villain relevant to the first game of an arc). But overall the 2nd half of all games (even the first games in the arc) are generally the best parts of each game so it's an exception the the '2nd half shits the bed' rule that seems to be common in the game industry...whether or not you're willing to go through all the games though is the biggest issue...I highly recommend NOT playing every single one back to back though otherwise you will burn out fast and may get turned off from the series due to burnout rather than you feeling it's good or bad...would recommend an action rpg/non rpg game in between games/arcs (you may be able to do 2 in a row without burnout but I'd advise against 3 in a row...i did 4 in a row (Sky 3, Zero, Azure, and Zero) and wasn't that into CS4 when it came out due to burnout from doing all of them and I had about 9 months between CS3 and 4 lol). If you've played Ys games such as Ys 8 and 9 or Tokyo Xanadu Ex+ (same developer, Falcom) the way they handle characters and storytelling and side quests is very similar though without the overall story being told in a 2 game arc (granted Ys series all focus on the same MC, Adol, however they're each independent journeys that have yet to have any real influence on th other games' journeys) and the combat system being action based rather than turn based. If you haven't you could always try Ys 8, 9, or Tokyo Xanadu (though TX doesn't have dub and the translation is a bit iffy at times) to see if you feel like you'd like Falcom's style of storytelling.

Since it's not monetised I wasn't too against it. My big issue with the blade pulling was that it allowed for luck to dictate a crucial part of the gameplay and cause some players to have a lot more fun with the blade system than others.

It was a gacha system without all the things that make gachas bearable. Limited inventory space, no protection from dupes or incentives for dupes, no way to collect draws en masse using regular money thus further worsening the awful drop rates on rares, no way to mass pull, the already limited inventory space is further limited by a need to do side quests that don't open up until a decent way into the game, world events requiring rare pulls, said side quests requiring blades with specific skills...I hate the blade system with a passion and overall really dislike Xenoblade 2.

​@@palladiamorsdeusXB2 was a game I wanted to like despite almthe design choices for certain characters. I really tried and finished the game after 120 hours. XB2 showed me what I disdain in modern JRPGs. The entire blade system from the Gacha mechanics, to these stupid environmental blockages, to the UI to simply interact with them. XB2 felt like an insult to my time that I was too stubborn to put down. I spent my money on this game and I wad going to finish it. But all these stupid little design choices that made any kind of grinding into a tedious task. I'm getting frustration flashbacks from all the times I had to play this annoying salvage minigame, watch the animation just to press one button three times at different intervals. All for some blades that I wouldn't use anyways.

​@@palladiamorsdeusNah fr. This is why DE is still the best to this day. Call me an annoying fanboy but yeah I could go on a tall tale on my own complaints regarding 2. Never played 3 though but I have heard mixed things about it.

I feel tales of games usually drop the ball in most of their games.

The localization is shit tho

Thanks bro, means the world.

Oh it's archaic no doubt, just with an undeniable charm.

I enjoyed it when I played it on 3DS in 2020, at the age of 19.

GBA port had double walking speed + they made it much easier.

Hasten World+all Valkyrie Super Jump was how I got through the last part. I tried to be beat the final boss with an actual strategy but when he killed me on phase 4/6 I said fuck it back to Valkyries

Means the world my guy✌️✌️

YES. Good deal.

HELL YEAH I'VE PLAYED SCARLET NEXUS!! Haven't finished it yet though, really fun game

it's true i did the opposite and it just kinda sucks alot of the intrigue out if you do yuito second

Its free for PS Plus Extra users so thank you for the tip. I was looking forward to it so I'll save the waifu for later then when I play it.

with how much i have to grind for that character id rather spend my 5 or so dollars on just buying something worthwhile...

I discovered that Genshin Impact was a Gacha game 3 days after playing it. That’s where it kinda broke the Camel’s back for me because I just found it unfair how I’m dependent on a Lootbox to get the character I want to play like Diluc. I would be perfectly fine if they want to hide it behind a paywall. But a Gacha is worse.

@@chronenojysk5107 it’s funny because characters like Diluc are the hardest to get because they will never be guaranteed

​​@@shiroufan5401He's still a lot more easier to get compared to someone like say, Albedo or Eula who rarely get any banner re-runs. I would also add Itto although he's apparently getting a re-run in 4.5

Nothing trumps "INSTANT BALLZ" from Tales of Vesperia.

I haven't played beyone Tales of Symphonia, so I wouldn't knowm but it sounds funny. @@HorseyWorsey

A very specific compliment, and one that's very welcome! I appreciate you noticing a fairly small detail, God bless✌️

heck yeah! share this video with every person on social media!

Honestly, I completely understand. I felt like I was going crazy for having the same opinion. Like, i'm not trying to be an elitist when I say this, but SMT nocturne. Is genuinely the best RPG I have ever played gameplay wise.

Yeah. That's my big issue as well. I wanted to love it as alot of them do. But I just got so bored and just moved along.

This wouldnt be a problem if Field Skills wasnt real

I'm actually playing through Abyss right now! Gameplay is solid for an old Tales game and the cast is quite entertaining.

@@Super_Hambone I'm happy that you like it :D I dont remember if it was as popular as the other tales of games when it came out - but the story and character chemistry and voice acting is still so worth it >w< I wish they'd eventually dub the anime they released on it though XD;; And thankyou again for taking time to read the comment I left before x3

HELL YEAH

I would argue that act 2 was the only good part of that game.

I still don't know how I feel about act 3 retconning all the character development of act 2, even if it did stop the bad guy's plans much sooner, avert catastrophe, and provide payoff for a few red herrings setup early in the plot.

I would disagree. Because the game solves many plot points that was left out from previous acts. Like Calasmos, the Watchers, Veronica's growth, Gyspy lady, etc. The first 2 acts feels kinda incomplete and gives us all the answer in Act 3. Yeah. It does seems kinda sad seeing side characters getting erased. But it's for the better way of keeping the world not in an destruction and it was lead to the chronically of the DQ universe. I can see why some might be disappointed if you only cared about the character development. It is pretty diversive. But it still turns out better at the end and it doesn't ruined the game completely. Also the difficulty in Act 3 isn't that hard. Just critical hit the Metal Slime like creatures early on, have the right movesets, equipment & abilities for each and it won't be that hard.

We're only halfway through the story though.

It cost $100m to develop what came out in 2020, they were nearly broke, have spent over $500m on it since and the game has nearly tripled in size while being at best halfway done. Where do you want Mihoyo to have pulled the billion dollars and five years to finish it from? Eastern devs do gacha because it makes them more, it's just smart business.

That's not true, its gameplay is pretty good actually. When you get to play it...

The gameplay made me drop the game on the SECOND area (the desert). The combats are so boring. Oh yeah I love spamming the same button combos 10 times

Disc 2 is like barely 15% of the game, not half. Disc 1 is a legit 60 hours and some of the best scenes you'll ever see in any game. It's not half/half.

@@akabancopop narratively disc 2 is like... 80% of the story