Juicy Bits - KOF13 System: The Button Hold Trick 

As an intermediate SFIV player getting into KOF for the first time, this is exactly the kind of stuff that I need to see. Thanks, Juicebox!

From my testing, this also works in KOF XIV.

You don't have to hold the final direction. If your motion is correct and you hold the button, the only way to fail is if the motion was too early.

Hold it down. There is no "negative edge" in KOF XIII.

"its kind of like PLinking in SF4 where it gives you a bigger window to input your move?" That is EXACTLY what it is. except instead of pressing a different button, this is holding it down, and it only works for specials, supers, and neomaxes.

It feels like it's somewhere between 4-8 frames. I don't know the exact number. All you have to remember is that if you held the button and your motion is perfect, the move will come out every time unless you were way too early. I've also noticed that this window seems to be MUUUUUUUUUCH larger for special move followups like clark's command grab into elbow drop. You can input the elbow drop while the opponent is still in the air, hold the button, and it'll still come out.

Motion -> button (hold) = game continues to register button for an amount of time after you press it. This can be out of recovery/hit/blockstun or ANYTHING. (Mid-combo is the most helpful application, as shown in the video)

Very clear, very concise. Subscribed. I'll admit, sometimes I think you're batshit crazy, but you know your stuff. Much respect.

Note that this trick only works toward the endlag of a move. So don't dislike the video. Try holding only at the endlag of an attack, not duration.

You can use it anytime. There are on restrictions on the trick.

Ohh dude, I am so excited about this! It is something I was suspicious about but not even close to be sure! I noticed it once when doing Vice neo max after the aerial super move, it must be done in the right time otherwise it won't come out, so thank you so much, watching your videos is making me a better player!!

You did a great job on this. Hope to see more of them! :)

Still discovering stuff on this game. Thanks Juice.

Awesome stuff Juicebox. I really wanna dive into this game, but after attempting the trials and watching some tournament play, it seems somewhat intimidating. Tips like this should make it a bit easier. Thanks and keep them coming.

Oh wow, didn't know that,I used to double tap everything but this will simplify things even more, thanks.

this will make my life so much easier

Cool! I never really thought about this trick... always have wondered why I can't seem to expedite moves when I'm blocking unsafe moves from my opponent... I tend to use Chin, Goro Daimon, and Mr. Karate... I'm sure this can apply very well with Daimon being the fact that he is more of a blocker and needs to make moves faster.

It's a 5-frame window.

i still dont get this game but im trying..

I can't wait to learn from mor videos. Congratulations sir!

I knew this was in Blazblue. Didn't know it was in KOF. Thanks Juice

*no restrictions

Oh man that is awesome. thanks Juice

00:40 Help me clarify. Are you describing this as a negative edge? I understand the KOF buffer for moves and cancels. I am just wondering are you releasing the button when the input is complete or do you keep holding down the button even after the input?

Nice explanations and exemples. thx.

great description. Would be nice if you had a camera on your hands.

So, confused a bit: button(hold), get out of recovery, motion => ca-ching? motion, button(hold) => Get out of recovery/hit/blockstun => ca-ching?

Very helpful, thanks!

Thanks for the video, I just got KoF13 from PS+ and want to try to get into it. I had no idea about this trick, so its kind of like PLinking in SF4 where it gives you a bigger window to input your move? I hope you do more videos like this :) Thanks Again.

Nice, learned something new. One clarification: Does the motion have to be good when you press down the button, or when the move activates? Or in other words, do you have to hold the final direction of the move too, or is it enough that you had the right motion when you pressed the button?

Wow. So for someone who knows this little trick, links into special moves that are 1-frame links in terms of animation are not 1-frame links in terms of inputs. Very interesting... I was wondering how top-level players did kill combos full of 1-frame links so consistently.

I have a question, does the button hold trick work for all characters and super cancels? I'm having trouble with the supercancel Vice's overkill super from Splash. I can't seem to get the timing right consistently.

I don't get it at all... what button do i hold and when? It doesnt work for me 😢

how many frames can pass by before the hold no longer works? In other words, will this still work after a VERY long animation attack?

Teach me, master!

so it's like jump cancel but with buttons?

First. Also, good shit Juicebox. Looking forward to more videos.

Adjust the audio levels a little bit, make voice a little louder and background song a little lower. I love the sound track but voice is more important in this situation.

lower volume on the music next time please

Can't seem to get it to work. :( My hands are too slow for this game lol

I've been I've been trying to do this for a keep every day and nothing is coming out :(

What to say TY lots Juicebox for all of your videos on KOF xiii. Greatly Appreciated. Just recently got the steam edition & was stumped on the tutorial (WTF!!!) Thru your teachings I can go thru the tutorial in a snap. But I cannot for some reason grasp these drive cancels in-game W/ team Terry,Andy,Joe. I am using a Xbox One controller. I seem to be unable to do the button hold trick for any of these characters. Have watched your hour long introduction kof xiii videos, I don't think I understand the timing ? Have read a lot of comments here regarding these videos trying to figure this out. Really wanna get back into KOF but my timing for these cancels , ugh !!! Thanx again

alright, thanks!

thank you now i can kick my friends ass

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Very useful. Thanks!