JUNGLE vs. DNB vs. BREAKCORE 

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@@ruanmorais5288 the issue with that is that sewerslvt doesn't make much, if any (haven't looked at their full catalogue), breakcore

All of these sound like jungle to me, but the last one definitely is NOT breakcore

sewerslvt is a dude and if you don’t think u-ziq is breakcore you need to delight yourself with Venetian snares and shitmat

Amen brother

Amen! 🙌

For real. It was probably just a name for something new that needed a name, but breakbeat was in my optics the last time genre names meant something. Maybe in some metal genres they still have that, but break beat was definitely "something"! We could request some breakbeat with the dj or radio dj and they knew, they knew what we were on about. But it was a short while, very short. The gerne expanded and exploded. For good. And for good! But still, there was a time where it was that new thing. That needed a name!

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AKA Cringecore.

​@@ForgedEggsit is subgenre of the metalcore

I actually love the direction 'breakcore' is going. The breakcore artists in the 2000s like Ebola and Sh**mat were a bit much for me and I had to take breaks in between listens, lol. Kid606 was the closest to achieving the breakcore that I was looking for, but I'm pretty picky, and like my breakcore to sit somewhere between ragga, jungle, and ambient dnb when I could find that. And we pretty much have that, except instead of the ragga we have anime lol. Somehow they have also settled on a wall of distortion that sits in the background with the ambient drones and it goes really well with the style.

venetian snares. nuff said

@@procerus3654 Decided to leave out since almost everyone knows him anyway

all of the choclate wheelchair album is soi good

I think an easy to distinguish is just how complex the drum patterns are. Jungle seems to way more emphasis on crazy drum loops where as dnb is usually more moody and focuses on the bass way more.

jungle has intricate chops at a somewhat moderate tempo, while DNB has only a consistent drum loops with little break splicing, while also focusing on the atmosphere, tone, and bass.

@@NewtinedThx for that explanation. Now it makes more sense.

Jungle is distinguished by the tribal beats...which is why i laughed that the "this is D n b" example was clearly jungle...LOL...but whatever...im not gonna be a dick about it

DnB is more focused on the melody, not the breakbeats. And ordinary DnB songs have a drum pattern that is easy to recognize

Same bro, idk how to get started with mixing and stuff tho

Haha, I know. I did that to pander, not to platform. The Gen z kiddies on tiktok for years have been commenting “sewerslvt!!” any time I dip into dnb :)

@@ChrisMichael Jokes aside it's an understandable move

Shit like this is why I don't seek out new music anymore

Torn by who?

@@misanthrope5063 Omni Trio

@@laienmalowa4371 damn I didn't know about that track but I knew about Omni trio. Thanks for replying so fast.

@@misanthrope5063 yeah, no problem!

not really he included a dnb song for the breakcore example lmao

Nah the breakbeat hardcore example was breakbeat hardcore. Dnb example was wrong though. He didnt use a breakcore song for his breakcore however. Sewerslvt - mr kill myself was Atmospheric Dnb.

Haha, thanks. I threw sewerslvt in there to appease the tiktok kiddies wanting breakcore representation, but my heart will always be squarepusher and µ-ziq :)

and u-ziq is drill n bass lmao

@@thegoofycoil id argue a couple his tracks nestle somewhere into breakcore

@@taggerung_ yeah true

I’d never refer to Squarepusher as breakcore, but he absolutely helped define what became breakcore so… yeah. I guess.

Glitchbreak or chill breakcore, Tkyopill is very multigenre tbh

Atmospheric DnB

Drum and bass is a modernized version of jungle.

Mu ziq and aphex twin go way back and even released an album together called 'Mick and rich'. Total contemporaries. 😊

I made a video about just that a little while back!

@@ChrisMichael i found it xd

No, rather the other way around. It's about structure. A lot of DnB is very chill, dnb has some of the comfiest comatose subgenres, DnB has produced a monumental library of the most chill happy music in recent decades. Search youtube "Chill drum n bass" "Ambient drum n bass" "intelligent drum n bass" "liquid drum n bass" (liquid is often misused in the past decade, liquid funk can be very upbeat) Some examples of chill dnb tracks from an old chill playlist I'm listening to now: Calibre (is a legend Drum n bass artist, some of his tracks: past imperfect future tense, Don't Mind, Even If, Trying to Remember) Tokyo Prose - All You Want Bcee & Lomax - Changing Faces Johnny L - I Let U Mark System - The Diver's Dream Adam Form - Down Inside (Subterra & Dekko Remix) Bop - Blurred Memories Greeley & Lomax - Can't Wait 4 U Peyo & Cloud Nine - That's what you do to me Redeyes - Behind Closed Doors Mutt - Conversations Mutt - Thinking Sci Phi - Luxor Sands Atlantic Connection - Rocksteady Solar - Exploration ATP - Be Mine Laos - Hold On Chris SU - Solaris Alix Perez - All Alone Alix Perez - Contradictions Duo Infernale - Feeling Blue Shapeshifter - One Easy - After Dark Hosta - I'm Losing You Mutated Forms - Pessimist Command Strange - Morning Noon and Night BCee - Count the Stars (Hybrid Minds Remix) Dekota - Never run away Merce - Memories Seba - Crockett (Seba another big dnb artist, look up some Seba mixes) Seba - Snow 'Current Value - Stay Up' and 'Machine Code - Elephant' are also DnB Truth be told that Drum n Bass is not a genre but is a broad term for a type of music originates from the UK. You can talk about Drum and Bass as a thing for talking about its development, but don't mind anyone talking about it as a genre, it's a type of music that's far more broad than even House. It's recognised by that it's very focused on a lot of drums and a lot of bass, and there is that similarity between any type of Drum n Bass of it's easy to like all sorts of Drum n Bass because what you like is those banging drums with those juicy basslines in any form and genre of dnb suits mood. When you're familiar with all sorts of Drum n Bass then when you listen to some type of House it's a very different thing and stands out very strongly in not being Drum and Bass. If DnB is a person they can be angry, sad, chill, happy, but it's them, and House is a different person. Though subgenres of DnB mix into all sorts of things, like there's very trance type of DnB such as John B - Remember Tonight John B - Red Sky (Subsonik remix) Subsonik - Staring at Infinity It's still just distinctly Drum n Bass. The thing about Jungle is that commonly in the 00s Jungle had simply become an old term for Drum n Bass. Drum n Bass to most people was just the 00s name for what was known as Jungle in the 90s, most people if they heard Jungle they'll just know it as Drum n Bass or Old Skool Drum n Bass. The real difference is that Jungle originated out of influences of Dancehall, Reggae, Dub etc, it had that west indian influence, and Drum n Bass was it orientating to having a focus on a Hip Hop, Funk, Jazz, Bass, Trance etc influence. Jungle carried on focusing on those very 90s sounds and elements, and that leads into Jungle asserting itself as own thing with revival in it, so in recent years the distinction has become relevant. It's clearer today than it was for most of the past. If you look up scene from film 'Human Traffic' Jungle Record Store Scene, the Junglists come in and they ask for Jungle and the character working the record store puts on Aphrodite - Stalker, but today that's a seminal drum n bass track lol. Drum n Bass in the late 00s and early 10s became very mainstream and produced a lot of poppy music and that killed it a bit, it changed it a lot, like a pressure that it seemed a differnet done thing and a lot of people were put off it, dnb heads getting older in the 10s and meanwhile kids listening to some crappy pop music 'drum n bass', dnb felt like a thing from the past a bit the whole thing gets mixed up where 'drum n bass' is suddenly a lot of really crap music. But suddenly lots of people are interested in this stuff - from before the bad stuff - which had felt like it was done with. In my mind the book of dnb was closed in the 10s that it belonged to a generation and it sold out and became pop music, and it would be forgotten. But no. Like a resurrection people are interested in dnb again.

Not at all, both can be either. Jungle can be smooth and slick, or intense chaos. DnB too. The point is more the style of drums. Jungle uses changes in drum pattern and sampled real drum beats to make it's beats. DnB may use some of that too but there will be more of a focus on a regular beat and electronic drums or bassline. They're not mutually exclusive, something can be both.

@@wiremucurtis3891 agree. jungle usually has pretty long drum patterns whereas dnb quite often comes to simple 1 bar kick___snare_____kick_snare

the first ever breakcore song that i think fits the criteria is in Alec Empire's first single [Alec Empire - SuEcide (Pt.1)]. The third song on the B side named "Tötenposse Rides Out." Distortion on the amen break which was not normal at the time, plus some groovy bass and some chopping on the break too.

@@Newtined Yeah i didnt know about that song at the time

@@thegoofycoil also the term "breakcore" was first used by steve shit in 1994 with an ep of his containing a track called "the power of breakcore" which im not sure what he meant since the track is more dnb than anything

oh yeah i didnt knew that before this comment. btws breakcore at the time was fast jungle. @@Newtined