JUPITER-X/Xm O.S. 3.0 with NEW Sound Engine!!! 

Right?

It doesn’t look like a toy at all

Same here. I purchase the XM and the Hyrdrasynth module (MPE) despite the user community being on the fence regarding the JupiterX. This update puts the Jupiter XM squarely over th finish line. Nice work Roland!

Tossing up between a hydrasynth and the XM as they are pretty much the same price but I think the XM is going to win out I just dont have the space for the larger synth.

@@shadowbanned5164 I have never played the hydrasynth. As far as I know it all come to what you need. The hydrasynt is a standalone synth, powerful but limited to 8 note polyphony (if I am not mistaken). It's the right choice if you need a synth to shape sound from scratch. On the other hand the jupiter xm is a synth with different engines, it is more powerful in terms of polyphony and it is multitimbral in different tracks. It has an intelligent arpeggiator and a kind of sequencer: it is aimed to inspire musical ideas on the go which you can then transfer to a DAW and develop in a proper song. Actually it is a very powerful machine, even if I think most people did not fully understand and appreciate his uniqueness...

@@GreenHoleSun At the end of the day I dont need either synth lol it drives the wife mad when I keep adding synths to the pile I can midi chain 10 synths for one hugely stacked sound already...None of them are Rolands and Roland does have a certain sound other synths dont have...Leaning towards the XM just for the classic sounds alone lol

@@shadowbanned5164 then the xm is the right choice, I suppose. You have different engines from Roland iconic models, but also an engine of its own and many different possibilities: you can stay on the surface and play only the predefined patches with the basic controllers or you can go deeper and build your sounds and musical ideas from scratch. Personally I was intrigued by the idea of all-in-one device which is still portable and don't need any other gear (not even the speakers, since the ones that are built in are quite useable).

I am always fascinated hearing this biased nonsense. I saw them being developed. The differences are minimal at best in application. You people spend all your time moping around playing this, 'it's better than yours' ego in the western world. How almost stereotypical. RnD had numerous units benched at the time. You won't find Sys8 performing in front of nearly 20 thousand people live, as JP-X just did. So give it a rest. It's more than close. To the point the older tech will be scrapped entirely in favor of Zen-C.

Fun fact: It’s the sound they use in the intro to 13 reasons why :)

It wouldn't be their style. Jupiters come in the Jupiter-8 type chassis, but all of their other romplers come in XV-88-like chassis.

​@@Jason75913 Well, maybe they'll at least make a 76-key Jupiter-XL in Jupiter-80 chassis.

...same thoughts

Thank you so much! As far as I known, this new engine will remain exclusive to Jupiter-X.

@@gattobus thanks so much my friend! Thank you for always being a source of awe and inspiration🙌🏻

You could buy the Jupiter XM which is what I have. That is a less expensive option. The new update has breathed taken this little synth to a whole new level. I'm a fan of your channel BTW.

@@jcemagine72 thanks for the advice bro! I’ll have to check out the Xm cause honestly I hadn’t paid much attention lol. Thanks for the support 🙌🏻🙌🏻

4 oscillators with a mix of Virtual Analog and PCM, that can be set by user for each oscillator. Also Virtual Analog Roland, Moog style and Sequential style filters.

I moon . I've updated the Jupiter Yestarday evning. The 5 Bank with the new Scenes are the 1-2-3-4-5. The olding scenes are in the Bank 6-7-8-9-10-11-12. In my jupiter is that. To have the new scenes after the os update there is nothin. To Have the new Scenes you have to make a Factory reset User data. This is my experience. For me the problem is the editor. After the upgrade the Jupiter-x Editor doesen't work. I reinstalled it but .... nothing. The editor start but when load the the new tones .... Lock... and doesen't go away.

I've never heard that at all. I've been a Roland player since the D-50 in the late 80's (still works great).

@@markschindler2629 System-8 owners, Gaia SH-01 owners, we all know how it feels to be left out in the cold.

Roland support expensive synth…

Yeah, my Jupiter 80 was completely abandoned. I'd sell the darned thing if it didn't have such an amazing key action. Same with the Fantom G8 I have: they released 3 fairly useless ARX expansions and that was it. Both were expensive, high quality and well built boards, but Roland just lost interest. Heck, there are even screenshots of unreleased Fantom G8 features they just killed off... Oh well, they still both look and work flawlessly (last of the made in Japan stuff I think) and sound great, but both could have been so much more with a little longer love from Roland. :(

@@travr1131 I purchased 2 Jupiter 8 synths and the Integra-7 when they were released. Although I thought they both were great machines, it just seems like Roland half bake some of their products.

Yes, is ABM based. You can find specs in midi implementation 3.0 doc.

@@BenedettoSchiavone Ciao! I was hoping you could explain the internal work on FANTOM's tone generation and BMC architecture or create a blog post on your website. Two questions. 1) Are Roland still not using all the BMCs on FANTOM? 2) Is the 4GB of eMMC flash memory partitioned between the keyboard sampler and pad sampler? Or is it just for the keyboard sampler?

@@ablesam What is certain is that with only one BMC it is impossible to manage the 256 ZenCore voices + effects + EQ for 16 parts (the BMC stops at 5 parts, see JupiterX / XM, AX Edge, JunoX, ...): so I would say that the most plausible hypothesis is that 1 BMC is used by ZenCore / Models - one is used for VPiano (part1 only), 1 for additional effects and 1 for ToneWheels organ (part2 only). Impossible to say how much computing power is available for anything else. Regarding the 4 GByte of the flash eMMC, this contains the 2 GByte of the user Samples ZenoCore + EXZ, the multisamples ROM for Zencore (140 MByte) + the multisample of SuperNATURAL Acoustic (Strings, Sax, Bass, ...), the "spectra "of VPiano and surely there is still unused space. The sounds of the PAD Samples are stored in the SD card which is inside Fantom

@@BenedettoSchiavone This makes sense since the PADS only has a polyphony of 4 stereo (8 mono) notes. Must be because of the read/write speeds of the MicroSD. So it is possible to upgrade the MicroSD to allow for more PAD sample storage, if FANTOM will recognize anything more than 32GB. But polyphony will still relatively stay the same. This is confusing, as in the FA, even with these limitations, you could swap out the SD CARD and load your own custom samples up to 16GB (if I recall). Maybe Roland had a reason behind it, idk. This is so far the situation when it comes to storage. 2GB of the eMMC memory for custom samples. The rest is for Roland to add new Supernatural/Model Expansions. 2GB of MicroSD for the PAD samples. Replaceable if you take apart FANTOM and swap it out. 2GB of internal storage which is there on the SoM (ROM 7421). Got it. What is your opinion on Dexibell's approach to their instrument? They have both host functionality, tone generation and efx processing on a single SoC, instead of the traditional approach of having a chip for each function. And since they don't have a custom chip, but rather use from outside vendors, they can upgrade to newer hardware when it's available. This allows for a newer PCIe interface for flash memory and better DDR memory with newer products. Unlike Roland and Yamaha who have been using BMC and SWP70 for almost 6 years. And it is due for an upgrade. What do you think will be the future architecture of hardware instruments? An entire instrument based on an SoM/SoC? Or will we see the traditional host functionality and tone generation on two separate chips. Thanks for the reply!

@@ablesam Dexibell takes a very similar approach to Roland's. When the instrument is switched on, all the Dexibel and user SoundFont2 samples are loaded into RAM and the processor, an ARM CORTEX iMX6 - 2 GB Ram (in the new iMX8 models - 4 GB RAM) which processes the samples from the RAM with a very high polyphony. high (320 notes). Very different is the Waldorf Iridium approach, where the multisamples are not all loaded on power up, but are only loaded when the preset calls them. This obviously involves a slowdown because you have to wait for the download; the advantage lies in the fact that there is no capacity limit (in the new firmware the multisamples can fit on a miniSD). I believe the future should be where the samples are on a PCIEx M2 SSD that guarantees 2 GByte/s reading speed. In this case, by using a working RAM and possibly streaming from SSD, it is possible to obtain results comparable to the various Kontakt and UVI Workstation / Falcon

On Jupiter-X velocity sens is a scene parameter, and you can use it on every synth engine.

Specs are the same, but the overall experience is on another level on the big one! ;)

@@gattobus dang it...what to do? ...gonna flip a coin :D

you can install directly to 3.0 😉

Gianni yo tengo el júpiter x pero lo tengo de fabrica sin actualizar por eso preguntaba. Saludos

I don't have a Jupiter-X, but I'm seeing that you have to do a factory reset to see the new scenes and tones.

@@IveGotThisCovered Thanks very much - that did the trick. Most appreciated!

I updated to 3.0 and see new scenes, just do not see any of the factory scenes used in this video. Any ideas? And yes I did a reset after the OS update.

@@tonyfromrhody jp-x overture is bank 5 no 8 aprodite call is bank 5 no 13 jupiter-x edge is bank 1 no 12 Roland has a sound list doc with the locations and descriptions here: static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/JUPITER-X_sound_list_eng02_W.pdf

@@synthlover1372 Thank you, I had done a factory reset of all data, not just user data. So I reinstalled the update and only reset the user data now all the scenes match, Again thanks for the new sound list too.

No fx, distortions or external effects. What you are hearing is Jupiter-X recorded straight to the audio inputs of my audio interface. If you are referring to the first parch I used, it is a very deep, full and warm tone indeed ;)

Zen-Core is a ROMpler/VA engine. No DCOs or VCOs or anything of the sort. Then there are some vintage emulations, but again, no DCOs or anything like that.

@@Jason75913 i know it is, i was using Roland's terminology (although even that is inconsistent). they variably use OSC, VCO and DCO on their analog modeling products.

...who knows? XD

And?

Editor will be updated as we speak! Be patient!

@@gattobus Thank's a Lot!!!! I hope they will make it Faster.... :-)

@@gattobus The good news is ... that is not a my Own Problem...

Never update on the first days

doubt it, it is supposed to be an exclusive feature of the Jupiters

@@Jason75913 yeah, why upgrade its flagship model? That makes no sense. 😒

@@mikemorrisonmusic The Jupiters are flagships, too. Not aimed at the same crowd as the Fantoms, mind you.

@@Jason75913 Juno-X has the I-Arp too. So it's not reserved for the Jupiters anymore. I still hope the Fantoms can get it too.

@@Jason75913 Both the Jupiters and the Fantoms are the premium models, right. But, at least from the price point of view, the Fantom is a bit higher level. Anyway. Let's wait and see. :)

It was not intentional, but of course that soundtrack has been a great influence for me. You deserve all my respect for having recognised it!

@@gattobus it’s one of the best! My wife and I are playing it right now and listen to the OST constantly

@@andrewlahlum One of the first videos I uploaded to my channel was a song from this soundtrack! (15 years ago...) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fsZv4xBQ6ns.html

In theory the update shouldn't delete anything you have, but you need to DO A BACKUP BEFORE updating. After the 3.0 update you need to do a factory reset to have access to all the new scenes, but YOU NEED to do a FACTORY reset only for the USER DATA, not the system data or licenses, so everything you have should be there after the reset, but DO NOT DO a LICENSE factory reset, only reset the user data :) Don't forget to export your scenes and tones before the reset and after that, you can get those tones back. I didn't have to reinstall the JD-800 or the Vocal designer or my wave expansions after the user data factory reset. The only thing I had to import back were my tones and scenes.

Thanks! @@MaximilianoSchneider

@@MaximilianoSchneider Done. Not even necessary factory reset user data, just import new SVD scenes (in gearspace there´s a link just for the new sounds), made a backup, put the new SVD and import the new scenes wherever you want. And it´s AWESOME. This update is awesome.

@@MaximilianoSchneider The problem is in my XM which I am going to sell. It comes with factory firmware and never been updated and it doesn´t found the update (even though it format the usb correctly). Where in the hell do I find previous updates, like 2.0?

@@tomthedead1 the latest update has all the previous updates but the older version might be on the official page. I might have some of the old firmware but for the X, not xm.

ZenCore is not only sample based. There's also a modeled supersaw (not based on samples) where you can set the detune amount as you wish. If you don't like ZenCore but you prefer a more detailed VA emulation, there's also ACB on System8: here you can have a great sounding modeled supersaw on both oscillators as well as a supersquare and a supertriangle!

@@gattobus Thanks for the hint! Could you tell me where I can find this modeled supersaw in the Jupiter Xm? Or do you mean just a plain Saw Wave with 7 Voice Unison Mode (which would not really be a Supersaw)? I have both the Jupiter Xm and the System 8, and yes the System 8 has a great Supersaw, but here I also have one issue: When you hold down the keys and listen to the Supersaw, there is always this repeatable Oscillator beating in it. It somehow sounds like if this is due to some kind of a oscillator phase lock. Is there an option in the System 8 that the Supersaw Oscillators can be set to run phase free to get rid of this rythmical pumping?

@@danielcraighead6901 In ZenCore, in Partial edit you can select various modes: PCM, VA and also a dedicated (modeled) Supersaw mode. In System8 make sure to select MOD to Manual, then adjust the Color knob as you like. Supersaw is not phase locked, in fact if you keep pressed the keys long enough you can hear clearly the beatings of the various saws overlap one over another and change over time.

@@gattobus Thank you so much, I will immediately try this :)

Why

@@MUFSpoiler ..still no answer back

It is quite useable for people willing to use it. All is needed is a bit of application to a non-standard workflow. On the other hand, if you prefer to stay on the surface, you can still enjoy it with the preloaded patches and use only the basic controllers and the i-arpeggiator without any menu diving...but you will miss the real power of this unit.

Its exactly what it is....a cry for attention