Just in! A cheap Märklin 3021 (DB V200), how bad is it?

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I recently received a Märklin 3021, class V200 of the DB. The model was advertised as in good used condition and was offered for a very low price in my opinion, so in this video we will have a first look at it together and see how bad or good it is…
Here's what you'll find in this video:
Am overview of the Märklin 3021
High-level information about the prototype
A full unboxing of the model
a bit of servicing and repair
A run around the layout
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:15 Märklin 3021 overview
04:35 Vital statistics
05:27 V200 prototype overview
08:23 Unboxing of my 3021
12:16 First test on the layout
13:04 Servicing
15:31 Bodywork
16:29 First run post service
17:23 Run with matching stock
20:30 Conclusion
Märklin stock used in this video:
Märklin 3021
Märklin 4158, 4159, 4256
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Additional information and excellent sources for prototype photos used in this video:
www.wikipedia.com
www.märklin.de
www.eisenbahnstiftung.de
www.bundesbahnzeit.de
Model train directory:
Model Railroad Collector Wiki: www.modelrailroadcollector.wiki , see a video I made a while back about it here: • Little helpers - Model...
Photo sources:
www.Eisenbahnstiftung.de, then search for:
V 200 001 (2)
V 200 006 im Bw Hamm
V 200 027 in Limburg
V 200 086 in Singen
V 200 060 + 01 169 bei Flieden
Rosentalviadukt b. Friedberg 3
220 001 bei Lauda
V 200 030 in Mainz
V 200 011 in Frankfurt
V 200 021 in Münster
Abschied von der V 200 (4)
U;rich Budde, www.Bundesbahnzeit.de:
bundesbahnzeit.de/galerien/V2...
bundesbahnzeit.de/galerien/V2...
Bahnbilder.de:
www.bahnbilder.de/bild/italie...
www.bahnbilder.de/bild/deutsc...
3921 kit content:
forum.3rail.nl/index.php?topi...
benontspoord.nl/product/markl...
3921 box:
www.kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeig... Elon
Factory photos: from Märklin's 1963 promotional film "Märklin - Berühmt und begehrt"
#Märklin #mgleis #analog #wartung #tmrguk #mobaanalog Märklin layout #Spielbahn

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Комментарии : 91

@user-vj5xb3jj5o 4 месяца назад

I recently discovered Marklin at the ripe old age of 68. I have purchased several loco’s and had absolutely no idea how to service/troubleshoot the locomotives. Having watched your videos and I now find a lot of pleasure in resurrecting these old locomotives which invariably are purchased on eBay as ‘’running’’ but are in reality barely so. Thank you

@The3rdRail 4 месяца назад

Mission accomplished! Glad you are enjoying your trains!

@roguico 5 месяцев назад

Very pleased to watch this video a second time! You have a very pleasing voice with perfect diction which I really enjoy. Keep doing more videos!

@The3rdRail 5 месяцев назад

Thank you! Will do!

@Romin.777 7 месяцев назад

It was my first loco of my second adult marklin life. Didn't like it much in the beginning but after i saw the real deal in Germany once it started growing on me. Now i love it. And you can't have enough "Silberlingen" indeed haha

@The3rdRail 7 месяцев назад

👍🙏

@ChannelWright 6 месяцев назад

Wonderful breakdown of this model’s history. Thank you!

@The3rdRail 6 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@alanwilson307 10 месяцев назад

Great buy well done, love this channel, thanks for your effort and bringing this content to our lounge rooms, look forward to your next video.

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

Much appreciated!

@boleer-andersen6064 10 месяцев назад

I discovered your channel recently. I have been enjoying it immensely. Thank you for letting us into your wonderful world of vintage Märklin trains.

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

Welcome aboard!

@marvinbanka7592 10 месяцев назад

These are the Marklin locomotives i own and love.

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

👍

@christophetardivat234 10 месяцев назад

Great video, i have 4 markin and 1 primex plus 5 or 6 that i repainted in various liveries. They are undestructible and full of memories. A bit shocked though that you ran kunstoff and not metal silberlinge :))

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

next time 😉

@phil36310 10 месяцев назад

Hi, I used to collect Märklin in view of building my dream layout. But when the time came ( 2018 ) I found the Mârklin system outdated and non realistic. So I gradually sold my collection and changed to DC. Still, I own two 3101 of the 2000 ex. limited run of the Belgian type 96 tank engine, that one day I'll sell. So your vid's bring back some memories although I don't regret running on a more realistic layout with DCC. Mârklin always was good quality but today's models are to expensive. Indeed second hand collection is a option. Success and thanks for sharing !

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

What matters is to have fun, whatever the track system, brand, operating system, level of realism and other aesthetic considerations. Thanks for the visit, glad the video brought back fond memories. 🙏

@seancurry8365 10 месяцев назад

Excellent Job Sir!

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

Thank you kindly!

@johnwag927 8 месяцев назад

Another very enjoyable video, my main interest is from the late fifty’s to the early ninety’s and analogue versions only. I like the Primex line as well, like good old Marklin with less frills. Many thanks

@The3rdRail 8 месяцев назад

thank you very much!

@andersnielsen4390 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for this nice 3021 story. Fortunately no issues with the black spot😊 Congrats with this superb buy. Looks fantastic with the Silberlings. I have the versions 2 and 3 myself, and I’m just amazed how smooth these 64 years old machines still are running. BR, Anders

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

You are welcome, glad you enjoyed it. Enjoy your models.

@marklinologe4685 10 месяцев назад

Top machine, 3 of them are running on my layout, made for eternity 👍

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

Nice 👍

@dlwestphalen 10 месяцев назад

Nice. I have an old 3921 kit with the odd banana plugs as connectors. I recently dismounted and cleaned the motor buggy, replaced tires and one of the light bulbs. It’s running now as good as new!

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

Sounds familiar, thanks for the visit!

@terielrand8344 10 месяцев назад

Awesome video. My 3021 is my most dependable ruuner of all my analog loks. They look so good pulling long strings of tinplate coaches...😀

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

Good runner indeed, we all have at least one

@ppol4264 10 месяцев назад

Thank you for this video. After watching it, I took my V200006 out of the box for the first time in years for a few turns on the tracks.

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

Nice, Thanks for the visit.

@jeanricard918 10 месяцев назад

You are a true magician when it comes to “restoring” a locomotive like this! It’s as always so enjoyable to watching your videos. Thanks for sharing. On this most perfect layout! It really goes to my ❤.

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

Thank you very much!

@barnstorm8971 10 месяцев назад

Yes, you make it look so easy. I still don't have the courage to open the motor yet 🙂

@modellbahnjp 10 месяцев назад

A very nice model. Nice impressions. 👍👍

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

Thank you very much!

@nickwogan415 10 месяцев назад

My goodness! What a huge dose of nostalgia you have given me! I got this model in 1964-65 because I'd seen them when we lived in Germany some eight years earlier and I thought they looked very futuristic and fast. The model was so easy to maintain and to work on because it was so simple and totally bullet proof. Light bulbs and tyres mostly with the occasional pick-up replacement. Ideal for an eleven year old to learn the basics of model railway inner workings. I would have it pull an assortment of rolling stock including freight but I only had the green bogie coaches for passenger work. She was what we call a go-er; she was fast and surprisingly powerful and I still think they are the most beautiful diesels ever built. Thank you very much for the trip down memory lane! A bientot.

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

You are most welcome, glad you enjoyed the video.

@michaelk.schuster6979 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for this most enjoyable video! In the late Sixties, when I was a kid, I went to school by train and spent quite some time at the Frankfurt/Main Hauptbahnhof. There I saw the night express train to Paris/Est, which was pulled by V200s at that time, so it could go through to Paris without having to swap the engine, since the SNCF uses DC engines, so an E 10 or a E 03 was out of the question, since German electric engines are running with AC currency. The cars included French and German ones. Among the French were the glossy inox passenger cars as well as the dark blue sleeping cars by the CIWL (Compagnie Internationale des Wagon Lits) with their golden coat of arms emblem. The German part included passenger cars, perhaps also a red sleeping car of the DSG, the German dining- and sleeping-car society, and if I remember correctly also a post office car, but the icing on the cake was a so-called "cacadoo", thus named for its two-coloured livery, since part of it was for passenger compartments, whereas the other part was a restaurant. By the way, all these cars were available as Märklin models at that time. And I also own a 3021 from the Sixties, and although it is not in such a pristine condition as yours, I had it running just this afternoon and it still runs as smoothly as always for about 55 years now, producing its hearty running sound, which actually resembles to some extent that of a real V 200. But that is of course my personal opinion.

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed the video... I have the coaches you mentioned, if you happen to see the train composition on an old timetable somewhere, feel free to send it to me and I might try to put something togehter for another video. Gruss aus der Insel.

@marvinbanka7592 7 месяцев назад

I have one of these that my father bought in 1958. Still looks and runs great.

@The3rdRail 7 месяцев назад

undestructable...

@Trainsbigandsmall 8 месяцев назад

Very nice! I cannot tolerate people who try to sell the older digital V200s like the 39821 for like 200-300 euros!

@The3rdRail 8 месяцев назад

simple solution: don't buy 😉 thanks for your time today.

@CM-he8ni 10 месяцев назад

Fascinating as always, who knew Marklin sold kits. Great to see your purchase involved minimum grief. A win win 😊

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

thanks greetings to Montreal

@CM-he8ni 10 месяцев назад

Merci

@ETA555 10 месяцев назад

I got an old version of this Locomotive. And it runs super fast. Like your videos and your voice overs.

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

Thank you very much!

@2mes2mains 10 месяцев назад

A captivating story on this magnificent powerful model ! A pleasure to watch and to listen to ! Thank you for sharing this video and your great knowledge ! And thank you to our friend, the famous WD-40 👍👍👍👍👍

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

WD 40 stands for Water Displacement perfected on the 40th try if I remember well, used first on missiles... Perfect for Märklin Ganzmetall 😀 Bonne fin de semaine... Merci de votre visite ce soir.

@kellypaws 10 месяцев назад

Another excellent video, thank you. The V200 almost seems like the backbone of DB for its era. Certainly it is the most recognisable (non UK) diesel that I can think of, along with the V100.

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for spending some of your valuable time here today.

@peterchr.warncke1976 7 месяцев назад

Actually the V160/216 was more succesful and made in higher numbers, this because the 2 engines in V200 were unreliable with high maintenance cost.

@johnbuttery1171 10 месяцев назад

With the way these engines were built, they will probably run forever.

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

yep, technically indestructible...

@lindaoffenbach 10 месяцев назад

Without any doubt one of Germany's greatest diesel locos. Such a stunning icon. DB sold quite some of them in the end and Märklin even offered the V200/V220 in the respective non-DB liveries as well. Though these do not interest us. The original livery is the one to have we think. One of Märklin's fantastic classics, and having looked at their web shop, the model still seems to be available as Classic, in modern iteration of course. But we would have to order one to see if they actually deliver. Great deal you've made in the end then and she looks fabulous with the Silberling coaches 🙂

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

Pure nostalgia, though I am sure that what is done today is far superior 😀 but not something I am looking for in my collection theme. Thanks for the visit today, have a good weekend.

@jochenkraus7016 8 месяцев назад

@@The3rdRail You're right but the model is about as old as its prototype which makes it also part of technic history

@gigicontardo9173 10 месяцев назад

Great video 🤩 My favorite loco! I have 6 working versions: 1/3/6/8/12/13 ✨ Mandi Gigi

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

Very nice!

@KPS-en8fz 7 месяцев назад

Thanks for presenting one of the Märklin icons in such detail. I have got 7 of the 13 versions in my collection. In my opinion, the 3021 has (in addition to the 3047) the best ride characteristic of all older (and even newer) Märklin analogue locos. The Krauss Maffei factory lies on my way to work at the S-Bahn station Muenchen-Allach, where most of the V200 and the legendary S 3/6 where built.. Merry Christmas and a happy new year! Klaus PS: Perhaps you could present the 3047 in the same matter.

@The3rdRail 7 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed the video. I'll bear the 3047 in mind, but if you want to see one in action have a look at this older video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Gc4TL5-4Bf4.html . Have a Good Christmas.

@roststab 10 месяцев назад

Well done! But some times ist is necessary to grind the 3 pole collector. Especially when the pick up shoe is used like in your case.

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

Sure, here it just needed a simple wipe. Thanks for the visit!

@frank1672 4 дня назад

Theres plenty about on eBay so it's a good cheap way of learning your way around a Marklin Loco.

@The3rdRail 4 дня назад

glad you agree 😉

@peterchr.warncke1976 7 месяцев назад

They were built to last even in the hand children. I have 3 big steamers 50+ years running perfectly, but I hate direction shifters so I run with DC/DCC. But its not for rivet counters :-)

@The3rdRail 7 месяцев назад

They were still good enough even a few years after the rivet counting became the flavour du jour 😉

@unpaintedleadsyndrome 7 месяцев назад

Bit of a bummer, a friend gave me an old Marklin starter set yesterday with this loco. The red cardboard box apparently would date it to 57-59, but the loco has number 200060... Will need a bit of maintenance but it "runs"... and the carriages are missing some wheels. Still, not a bad deal for a beer :-)

@The3rdRail 7 месяцев назад

nothing beats free or beer 😀

@user-oy2xc7yf4i 2 месяца назад

I have noticed that the Hamo 2 rail version wasn’t mentioned. They were made so 2 rail model rail roaders could enjoy Marklin.

@The3rdRail 2 месяца назад

👍

@defilippijeanlouis8820 4 месяца назад

Juste à Nice tribune i got the first 1957 model in perfect second Gand ...only 30€ but not original box

@The3rdRail 4 месяца назад

🙏👍

@lashuter 9 месяцев назад

Hello, I have a question, can you give me the name of the page were you find the years off al the reworks of the 3021 model?

@lashuter 9 месяцев назад

Also a very good video as always

@The3rdRail 9 месяцев назад

👍 I will add a link in the description now... , I made a video about it here too: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vvO2jiLFCgo.html

@marvinbanka7592 10 месяцев назад

I have a question for you. Didn't Marklin offer their Br24 with two different size tenders?

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

no idea sorry...

@jochenkraus7016 8 месяцев назад

I found the 30032 as variant with a bigger tender. The usual one is 3003.

@maxj0930 7 месяцев назад

Can we all just stop for a minute and marvel at the “$22” and “$17.50” Sale Prices posted in those early catalogs? Ahhhh….good times….😎

@The3rdRail 7 месяцев назад

$22 in 1961 would be the equivalent of $226.38 today... Expensive toy... 😉

@maxj0930 7 месяцев назад

@@The3rdRail Indeed. And worth every pfennig!

@triplicator 6 месяцев назад

Something I've found curious for a while... In North American (HO, at least) modelling, pancake motors have an awful reputation as jerky, underpowered and failure-prone. All the brands using pancakes that produced lots of US prototypes -- Bachmann (not their N scale, though), Tyco, Lima, Life-Like (earlier Chinese-made)... -- were cheap "trainset" brands. It's surprising from that POV that old Märklin models have a reputation for power and durability.

@The3rdRail 6 месяцев назад

The "pancake" motors are often made of as much plastic as possible down to the gears. The tolerances are quite loose, and gears wear off, often resulting in less than optimal running characteristics. With most Märklin models up to the late 90s, the motor housing is always cast as an integral part of a metal bogie or the chassis, and most gears are made of metal assembled to tight tolerances. When plastic gears are used, it is usually a single gear in combination with metal gears and the plastic chosen is wear resistant so never needs changing in typical applications. Märklin still follows this approach for modern models, but DC motors (Faulhaber/Maxxon or simple CAN motors) you would also find in 2 rail brands are also used, in combination with plastic gears which are increasignly considered consumables. The appetite for such things (gear changes) is very low among Märklin customers, so this is kept to a minimum by a choice of wear resistant materials.

@triplicator 6 месяцев назад

@@The3rdRailOne of the things that made me think of this was a site I saw years ago where someone talked about servicing and tuning old Limas. What struck me was the descriptions of extremely sloppy manufacturing tolerances -- IE, mechanisms that worked better if you inserted washers at certain points to prevent... was it gears shifting position on axles / shafts? That made me think "Are pancake motors intrinsically bad, or are the criticisms just general criticisms of lacking QC?" I'm thinking of another site which mentioned problems with old Mehanos, which are central motor and cardan drive (often only to one bogie...). These have a horrible reputation, AFAICT maybe second only to Lima, but it was a long time after seeing the general hate before I saw someone explain the reason. They'd measured Mehano components with a micrometer. Axles and shafts often went through wheels and gears off-center or not perpendicularly. The one intrinsic disadvantage I can see to pancake motor mechanisms is that on any bogie locomotive the motor is always bogie-mounted AFAIK, and that means only one bogie is powered. This doesn't strictly make a locomotive a bad runner, though it limits tractive effort. Powering both bogies then would require two motors at extra cost, and I've heard people complain about locos with two motors as being prone to motor speed mismatch. I notice that Märklin escapes this disadvantage of motor bogies through the 3-rail system. I knew before this video that their engines often have traction tires on all wheels on the motor bogie, which would eliminate too much pickup in a 2-rail system. And I have noticed from several videos that old Märklins don't seem to have much low-speed performance. That seems to be a problem with most old brands anywhere almost independent of price...

@The3rdRail 6 месяцев назад

The term "pancake" is mostly used for Lima and hornby motors on this side of the pond. Lima owned Jouef for a bit, so they found their way there too AFAIK. They are the product of the "toy" era: mass produced to be affordable (well, to the middle class of the time at least...). The Märklin motors can do low speed, just not from a cold start😀, unless a special throttle controller is used (see my "automated shunting" videos - search for "shunting" on the channel page). But they can be slowed down to a pretty low speed once they are on the move. But the performance is nowhere near what is possible with a modern digital loco. Fortunately, I don't need to be watching my models go at 0.01 scale mile per hour to enjoy them 😉Thanks for the the visit and comment 👍

@marvinbanka7592 10 месяцев назад

I own a 1957 model of this 3021.

@The3rdRail 10 месяцев назад

cool