What if Abraham did not choose to give to Melchizedek. Melchizedek did not require it, did not ask. Abraham was the one who gave to show honor. Abraham got his maid pregnant was it a practice we should adopt. Also there is a law where brother marry their dead brother wife to have a child, why was this practice not adopted but left and thithe was. Mind you both practice are from this same law. Please I have this questions
Did Abraham ask for bread and wine which are symbols of the communion? So why did Melchizedek come with bread and wine? The principle of tithing is something I believe God taught Abraham as a way of HONOR to the Lord...and Abraham practiced it consistently even though the scriptures is silent on that fact....if you carefully observe there's no where that we are told that Isaac paid tithe...but we see Jacob talking about tithe after his encounter at Bethel(Gen 28: 20- 22)....where did Jacob learn it from? Who taught him? I believe he consistently saw his Father and Grandfather pay tithe as a principle of Honor to the Lord so he based his VOW on that principle as a means of committing God as regards his provision and safety as he fled from his brother Esau... As for your second analogy we are not looking at the Acts of Abraham as a person...we are looking at the principles through which Abraham walked with the Lord, Principles like Faith( Gen 15:6) Tithing(Gen 14:20), like Circumcision ( philippians 3:3) like Obedience(Gen22) , like Intercession(Gen 18:20-33) etc
@@nollycinematv2509 then what is your own analogy....that is was pagan orientation that Abraham imbibed and presentated to Melchizedek? ...who accepted it and later God decided to take a pagan originated practice and incorporated it into his LAW? I don't know what could be more NONSENSICAL! Anyway for the fact you couldn't come up with your own analogy shows you are ignorant of the subject matter. Adios!
So why was it a once payment if tithe Abraham made if it's a principle? Tithe was classified as agricultural produce not because they Israelites were farmers
The principle of tithing is honour. And honestly the standard was raised in the new testament. I beseech you brethren by the mercies of God that you present YOURSELF as a living sacrifice. When you understand what that means, the whole tithing thing would not be a problem
@@IamKaska simple answer. Because Abraham had an encounter with this priest once. What other priest did Abraham had encounter with in the Bible. He was the only priest. He showed up and he disappeared. I believe if Abraham had met him again, he probably could have continued. Also, the one time He did it was sufficient to cover his generation till they now had a priest over them and not they had to continue what their father started. Honoring God with their substance.
He did not give out of free will either. He didn’t just gave because he felt like doing it. He gave out of revelation, just like Cain and Abel gave first fruits out of revelation. God ordered the paying of tithe and not man. Tithe is not Moses’s idea, it was God’s idea. Tithe is a code of honor to God. God requests and requires us to honor him with our substance and it’s by your first fruits and tithe. Anyone that disagrees with the principles of first fruit and tithe, and tries to tie it up with the law, it’s not only uneducated in the scriptures, but he!she is also dishonorable to God. God told Israel in Malachi that they dishonor him by stealing the tithe. Many are now celebrating the dishonor of God! God help this perilous generation!
@@nathanolewis Where in the Scriptures does it say that? Anyone can just say “revelation“ - but our foundation is the written word of God. (Speaking about Abraham)
Portals Media you did a good summary here. Actually maby of the Old Testament regulations teach us ' principles ' that can be applied to our New Testament Christian lifestyles without importing that Old Testament law . True , tithe was a means of honour and payment for services in the ancient world ever before Moses. Abraham did to Melchizedek what he knew to be a most adorable practice to honour a greater or nobler personality. Melchizedek blessed him for this. If we want to make any sense out of it then honouring with substance ,material or spiritual is ever applicable however it shd also be added it shd be a voluntary, personal conviction thing never to be enforced by any church or mimister. Whether a tenth, 50% or all , God will still be honoured by whatever the individual faith,love fr God or conviction decides or dictates to him
Just a precision, Melchizedek blessed him and then he honored him by giving 10% of what he got from war; Melchizedek didn't bless him because he honored him. Secondly, he gave 10% of what he got from war and returned the remaining 90% to the kings that he fought for; he didn't give the 10% out of his own wealth. 10% of war proceeds was given to Kings after wining the war; it was a common practice in Abraham's time as recorded in history books, So Abraham just did what everyone else was doing around his generation.
Tithes is always from your increase not your store...even in the law of Moses. So we shd becareful of relegating the Abrahamic tithes by saying he ' didn't give it from his wealth'. Even those encouraging tithe today do not ask people to tithe from their store or already gotten resources( by the way the if anyone do so of their volition they have not contravened the law of love or liberty). Second , yes you are right more than 20years ago in my study at the Seminary I got to understand it was ancient practice of honour and payment for services... Another caution is to relegate Abraham Tithes to ' Abraham was just following the practice of his days '....Beyond that is his heart of gratitude,adoration and honour in giving true honour to whom honour is due. It is highly doubtful he ever gave a tenth to any one as honour or payment for services in a worship ,reverential state of Mind as he did to Melchizedek!!! Do not every one say' thank you' , 'I am grateful' or even bow to King or stand up before a royalty ....when you do so to the King of Kings do just do so bcos it is customary practice in honour or recognition of an earthly royalty? Every one is devising and creating all kinds of ' doctrine' and ' interpretation ' to use scripture to support their position of this subject of tithes. Serious caution shd be applied here. The Church will continue to split over such non-salvation issue , and it is expected in this case. Only let ' every one give as decided in their heart ' according to our Brother Paul by the Spirit for God loves a cheerful giver-donor?-pledge?- vow? - 10th ,10.5th, 99th or even 100% giver . However if any New Testament Christian chooses tenth of his increases or resources to honour our King of Peace ,Christ Jesus who Melchizedek pointed to , he should not take it on himself as practicing or bound to the Old Testament requirement of tithing...and never let anyone bring him under the condemnation of ' breaking the law of God' if and when he chooses to Honour God someother way. Abraham faith ,obedience and honour for Jehovah can teach us and motivate us in many ways to the point of sacrificing his only son which to Abraham is a higher demand, request or giving beyond a tenth of his material possession.
Arome is a mystic. There's no biblical basis to these claims. He has no rights to to interpret as principles what ritual worship demanded. Abraham gave out of what does not belong to him and returned the rest to owners. Let me jump. The apostles and early church DID NOT TITHE. Prove them wrong, Arome.
your assertion is incorrect. The spoils of war were his right and he chose to forego it. his grandson lived after the pricinciple and its not by accident. The law only formalized an eternal pricnciple
I would go further and call him a wizard. Please here me out. This sounds very harsh, but I think it is a valid point. Why do I say so? Arome does not think the bible is enough for docterine and living. If you listen to his sermons, he is always talking about his encounters with dead people, angels, "Jesus," etc. 60% of his sermons revolve around his spiritual encounters with familiar spirits disguising as Angels. The bible warns us about necromancy but Arome will tell you he talks to John Knox, Abraham Paul etc. This is pure witchcraft. Basically witchcraft is trying to gain spiritual information outside of God's word and revelation. Most Nigerian pastors participate in this. Arome is a dangerous teacher who needs to repent.
Abraham paid tithe of the substances that does not belong to him, the substances that belong to him he never paid tight of those ones. Rather he kept giving sacrifices and offering to God from his own substances, which is what God wants from us today. Tithe is of the law and belong to Levitical priesthood Meanwhile Melchizedek, Jesus and the apostles never asked for tithe from anyone, but why are pastors asking today? Just like David decided to leave in Grace during the law, you can decide to leave in the law during this time of Grace, is a choice. I love God and I will always give to God both offerings and sacrifices because of my Love for God, but I DNT think is nice to reduce people to only tithe (10%) and make it look as if is a sin not paying tithe. It would be nice if you can preach generosity which is biblical because Jesus and the apostles thought about generosity and not tithe Thanks
Revelation 21:24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. Revelation 21:25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. Revelation 21:26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it.
@@kingsleyawa6377 There are others ways to honour apart from tithing which Jesus and his disciples never practiced. Much ado about nothing. Souls are being lost let's focus.
@@mosesmukoro7598 He's desperate to collect the tithe. What Jesus and the Apostles taught us is generous giving not tithe. The most annoying part of it , they will tell you if you don't tithe , u can make heaven, things will be tight etc. these are signs of false prophets casting aspansion on the finish work of Christ. A man can only go to hell if he rejects Jesus Christ.
It's unfortunate that someone who claims to know the Bible would be asking what work would we be doing to pay tithe. Why does the Bible talk about a new heaven and earth? Who does he think that will live on the earth at that time? Angels? The Bible says that the earth he has given to the sons of men, not heaven, whether the old or the new. Ps. 115:16.
Bro, the term " school of taught" is of worldly origin. The Holy Spirit is rhe Spirit of truth. There is one truth and we must find out from God what that is on any matter that concern us.
Those of you saying how can you say we will pay tithe in heaven, brother and sister don't allow yourself to be deceived by erroneous doctrine on tithing and listen to apostle arome osayi message and be bless, in Jesus name.
@@theholyghost1599 what are you even talking about? How do you know that honouring God in heaven will be through tithe? Today we just bring doctrine of men and not of God to the Church, what God never instructed us that's what we practice,how can anyone listen to that message and accept such doctrine made by man
Honour in time and in eternity is of the heart. But in the spirit World, honour isn't quantified my matter but of the spiritual state of awe in worship of The Almighty. That was why Paul by the spirit said, let everyman purpose in his heart what to give for God loves a cheerful giver. The keyword is purpose in your heart, and the state of such heart is cheerfulness which is Honour. Jesus never dishonoured God by not collecting tithe from people. He knew that was a precedent set by the old Priestly order which is in a state of obsolete. Let's focus on the person and ministry of Jesus. This will be more clearer. More grace to All ministers who are genuinely expressing their convictions in this matter.
Arome Osage says a lot but makes no point. Melchizedek for a start is not eternal, he was born, he had parents and he died although it was not recorded. Abraham also never paid for tithes not once whether as money, as a principle, or in kind He completely butchered the bible. We are not indebted to God not in this life and not in the afterlife. God is our father.
@@ChimaChindaDev In trying to justify your point, you should be careful not to negate the scriptures bro hebs 7:3 3. without father, without mother, without descent, *having neither beginning of days, nor end of life* ; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. The Bible is clear. Roms 8:12-13 12. Therefore, brethren, *we are debtors* , not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13. For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 2Cor 2:15 15. and that he died for all, that they which live *should not henceforth live unto themselves* but unto him which died for them, and rose again. If that's not a debt, I don't know what it is. People always seem to forget that God is not a one dimensional character. The same who is Father is also King and also a righteous judge. your exchanged life was paid for in blood. there are responsibilities expected of you at the very least. Lk 17:10 10. So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, we are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do. That was Jesus to his Disciples.
@@efe6040 If you don’t understand that verse you’ll abuse it. You must read contextually to get what the writer of Hebrews is saying. Let me try to give a summary. The writer was drawing a comparison between Christ and this man Melchizedek to the effect of convincing the Jews of Jesus’ priesthood and his superiority over the Levitical priesthood which they revered. So he uses Abraham because the Jews honour Abraham as their father. He then brings in Melchizedek into the picture whom Abraham honoured. So if Abraham honoured Melchizedek then he is less than Melchizedek. If Abraham is less than Melchizedek then Levi must be less than both since Levi was a seed in Abraham’s loins at the time (meaning that Levi who descended from Abraham was not yet born but Abraham carried Levi in his Penis as a seed). He then shows them how Christ is greater than Melchizedek therefore he is greater than Abraham and Levi. This is why he said the less is blessed of the better. Abraham is less then Melchizedek and Melchizedek is less than Christ. When he says no father or mother, what it means is “no father or mother in Levi”. That is in the levitical geneology (the books) Melchizedek and his parents do not appear. When he says no end of days it means that Melchizedek’s death is not recorded in the Levitical geneology so they do not know when his priesthood ended. Remember he was a king. Why is he saying this? Because he received tithes from Abraham even though he was not a Levite. Only Levites or those from Levi could receive the tithes yet this man whose parents were not not from Levi and who we do not know when he died received tithes from Abraham. So Melchizedek was both a priest and a king whereas the Levites were only priests and Christ is like Melchizedek in that he is both a priest and a king. However Christ does not receive tithes like Melchizedek. Christ does not demand, he supplies. I’m happy to expound further.
In trying to justify your point, you should be careful not to negate the scriptures bro hebs 7:3 3. without father, without mother, without descent, *having neither beginning of days, nor end of life* ; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Roms 8:12 12. Therefore, brethren, *we are debtors* , not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 2Cor 2:15 15. and that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. If that's not a debt, I don't know what it is. People always seem to forget that God is not a one dimensional character. The same who is Father is also King and also a righteous judge. your exchanged life was paid for in blood. there are responsibilities expected of you at the very least. Lk 17:10 10. So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, we are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do. That was Jesus to his Disciples.
@@Jesse-v6b Brother that's not the context of this discussion. I'm speaking about physical debts like money, food or goods as is was the case under the law and you're connecting that to conduct. Roms 8:12 What Paul was speaking about here is conduct. The word "debt" here is the word obligation but obligation in character. Paul was teaching the church in Rome how to live as those who are saved and by the Spirit. So he says we have an obligation (this is what you called debt) which is to live a life that pleases God. But that work is also not your work but of Christ's - however you need to meditate and study the word. The more you study the more Christ is revealed in you. Paul says in Galatians 2:20 that is not him who lives but Christ who lives in Him. When Jesus enters a man, he gives him his spirit and the spirit of God has fruits. When that man starts to dwell on the word, the fruits of the Spirit of Jesus start to work in him and it brings good conduct out of that man. What conduct? Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness - the fruits of the spirit. It is not your work but the work of Christ in you. But you have to study and it's called the washing of water with the word. The word of God will wash and cleanse you of the desires of the flesh. Luke 17:10 is about ministry. Jesus is admonishing them to do ministry albeit in a parable. Minstry has rewards. Read 1 Corinthians 3 However, we are speaking of Melchizedek here and the scriptures you quoted have no relation to this topic. Happy to better understand why you brought it up. We are free in Christ. No chains.
But Abraham did not pay tithe from his job. So what is Dr Abel Damina saying?? Tithe in the Abahamic context does not come with a job payment. It comes from a revelation.
He is kind of confused. Giving royalties in the next life to come. So what was the purpose of Jesus coming and death? Our freedom from the law and sin? Na wa o. I won't be under bondage in the next life through this kind of nonsense teaching. Whom the son sets free is free indeed. I am free. Hallelujah.
There is not anybody in this life in fact no one strong enough confuse me about tithe , I saw two Angels I'm my dream in afternoon time the open Bible for me n I read it ,when woke up I took my Bible I saw the same words letter by letter , people that are preaching against tithe have a lot of questions to answer when the meet God
Wether Aromé osayé or different person to convince people to pay their tithe they are just waisting times , they rather tells to pray to God to know about it ,many Christians are very weak to ask God questions and receive they answer , many but with carnality , that it's why they are confused about many things of God , because they are just preaching intelligence not spirituality
"Mechezedec",never asked for tithe. Abraham willingly gave him. Apostle Arome is not making sense. He should stop justifying what is wrong. Teach your church generosity.
Abraham never paid tithe; he only gave 10% of what he recovered from war to Melchizedek which was a common practice in his time as recorded in history books that when people went to war and won, they give 10% of what they won from the war to a King they are answerable to; The 10% he gave was not even from his own wealth, it was only of what he recovered from war and he returned the 90% to the Kings he fought for, he didn't even take it home. Tithing as a law was only introduced by Moses on the Jews specifically because there were Levites who weren't given land to work so he wanted the others to pay it so that the Levites don't die of hunger; We are not Jews, neither do we practice Leviticus priesthood today, so tithing is not a practice we should adopt, Jesus and the apostles taught only on giving to the poor, needy, widows and giving willingly (or cheerfully or joyfully) whatever one has decided in his heart not under compulsion or grudgingly; so all these pastors defending tithing are thieves
If tithing is not a practice, we should not adopt it. We shouldn’t adopt giving offerings, partnering with ministries for kingdom advancement, or giving to the poor. All of that was also done in the Old Testament. Abraham did give tithes, and that practice was passed down to his son, Isaac, and grandson, Jacob. Tithe means a tenth in Hebrew. He began with Abel and then Noah. Jesus was a Jew; he was accustomed to tithing. He only emphasized giving with a genuine heart, not out of compulsion, not with eye service, and not being hypocritical with our giving Matt 23:23. The book of Jubilees, chapter 13 vs 25, gives more context to Abraham's tithe. “ For Abram and his seed, a tenth of the first fruits to the LORD, and the LORD ordained it as an ordinance forever that they should give to the priests who served before Him, that they should possess forever. Verse 26: And to this law, there are NO LIMITS OF DAYS; for He has ordained it for the generations forever that they should give to the LORD the tenth of everything, of seed, and of wine, and of oil, and cattle, and sheep. Hebrews 7 also gives more context. Tithing means consecrating your seed. In the New Testament, we are not limited to a 10th; we can even give much more as led by the spirit. The mystery of tithing is not just with money but even the time we spend with God in prayer. People who fight against tithing are generally stingy towards giving for kingdom advancement. So when one extreme doctrine comes, that tithing is not New Testament, they run with it because it is something in their flesh and heart that combat with.
@@TheSoughtOut2025 lol we follow what Jesus and the apostles taught in the new testament and they never taught tithing, they taught generosity, giving to the poor, needy, taking care of widows and supporting the advancement of the gospel. We don't draw the doctrine from old testament. Giving and tithing are not the same thing. Give whatever you purpose in your heart whether it be 1%, 0.01%, 10% or 100%; all we are saying is that do not give because someone obliged you or because you are trying to avoid a curse or because you are trying to attract God's blessing. No body sow seed in the new testament, neither did Jesus teach it nor did his apostles. If Jews did it as a culture of their land why impose it on Non-Jews? Even the Bible condemns imposing Jews culture/laws on Gentiles who receive Christ for by it no one is saved. The law of Moses was the 'constitution of Israel', I am from another nation and we have our own constitution for me to obey, we read the Bible to get God's own teaching not the laws/culture of Israel, let the Israelites practice their laws/culture.
@@stagelivevsstudioproductio117 I'm sorry, but you are handpicking and mistaken about tithing in the New Testament. The Bible did mention tithing in the New Testament. You have just chosen to dismiss it. Jesus never dismissed tithing Matt 23:23. The Old and New Testaments are the Bible. If you were to tear off a page in the Bible, tear off that part that says Old Testament and New Testament. It is one whole Bible. Paul could not prove justification of faith without referring to Isaiah’s writings. Tithing is a mystery before the law. It came before the Jewish people. See Hebrews 7: 5 to 8; pay attention to verse 8, “And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: but he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. And without all contradiction, the less is blessed, the better. And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.” “ He (Jesus) receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that He(Jesus) lives. Tithing is a mystery. If you don't believe it, that is up to you. Also, people did give and sow seeds in the New Testament. Read Acts 5. A couple that lied and did not fulfill their vow. People gave 100 percent, and some sold lands for the gospel. In the New Testament, we are not limited to a tenth; we can do much more. Even though tithing was before the law, you also talk as if the laws of the Old Testament are irrelevant today. The laws were in three categories: Civic, Ritual, and Ethical. The only rules that are inconsequential today are the sacrifices of animals, circumcision, etc. However, some civic laws are used today. The Canadian and US founding fathers, who were Christians, used some of Moses’ laws to institute government. Ethical laws are still being used today. For instance, honouring your father and mother so that your days may be long is a scripture reference from the Old Testament. It's the same with giving offerings and tithing. That is why I said earlier we dont need to adopt giving to the poor, to widows, giving offerings or partnership, based on your assertion that we dont adopt tithing. You need to understand by revelation what tithing means and ask the Holy Spirit genuinely if you should tithe. Don't go with a false revolution move against tithing.
Abraham is the father of the flesh not of the spirit. Abraham sacrificed animals so should we also continue to sacrifice animals? Cain killed before the law does that mean that killing is good? The Law started in the garden. Melchizedek is more the high priest but Jesus.
It's funny how this. MOGs think only they can read the Bible and understand English. SO Abraham paid TITHE once and it became an eternal practice for us. Abel gave offering once and it became a eternal practice for us. How many times did Jacob pay tithe sir? That we will now pay for the rest of eternity. You people should fear God and stop this manipulation.
@@abstract_graphix Unfortunately I can’t do that for you. You must find it for yourself. I can tell you but I can’t convince you. That’s why Jesus spoke in parable. People never understand it at the same time, but when they finally do, they receive the blessings of the message.
@@idowusamuelayodele i don't have to explain, it explains itself if you are a good student. Pharisees pays tithe of everything but ignores weighter matters of the law. They should have done tithes and not ignore the other ones that are important. Why? Because they are Jews who were giving the law in its entirety and they are to do all and not just tithe alone. The other matters are things of the heart to live out a good life and not doing it and taking tithe so seriously means they are hypocrites. Was Christ speaking to those out of the law? NO! WAS Christ speaking about what the whole world who comes to believe on him to do? NO! Why then the vibration everywhere about that verse?
@@Bim-Hopfan good so what do you I understand by the payment of tithe by Abraham whom the bible calls the father of faith to Melchizedek whom the bible says Jesus came on his order? we are going somewhere. I need this answer so as to revert back to your earlier presupposition as you have well explained in Mathew 23:23
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No need for all this ,manipulation of the scriptures. The texts of the scripture are written in understandable English available to everybody. John the Apostle in the book of Revelation gave us Christians a glimpse into what the kingdom of God looks like, the activities performed by the beings who inhabit there and the activities that all saved and resurrected souls will be performing which is to worship, serve and glory God. Revelation 22:3 says " No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him." Anywhere there is Law. there is also a curse. Tithing is a product of the law and breaking this law brings about a curse but according to the revelation of John the Apostle, no longer will there be curse in heaven which means nothing like tithing in heaven. The resurrection and salvation of souls on the last day will be made possible by the grace of the resurrected Christ who is seated on the throne with God
You seem to have limited knowledge of the scriptures, yet you argue passionately against tithing. What happens when you learn more? Will you be open to changing your stance? Tithing existed long before the law, and while the law established it, we now live under grace, guided by our faith in Christ. It's crucial to understand the principle of righteousness. Before the law, God held humanity accountable to His standards, as seen with Adam's fall. The law served to reveal sin and make us conscious of our shortcomings. Galatians 3:19 (AMP) explains that the law was added to reveal our guilt until Christ came. Under grace, we now have righteousness through faith, as stated in Romans 5:21. You mentioned that where there is law, there is a curse, perhaps implying that heaven has no law.🤔 While Revelation tells us there will be no more curse, we still adhere to the principles of righteousness. We don't refrain from wrongdoing simply because of the law; rather, we do so because our faith in Christ calls us to depart from iniquity (2 Timothy 2:19). “Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal: “The Lord knoweth those who are His,” and, “Let every one who nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” This expectation of righteousness will not change in heaven. Although this principle of righteousness does not explicitly mentioned tithe, it has a connection with what Apostle Arome taught. He demonstrates the principle of honor that is due to God, who Abraham honored with his tithe long before the law. Instead of arguing from a fixed position, I encourage you to study the Word more deeply. If you approach scripture with an open heart, you'll gain insights that might challenge your current views. Not every teaching on tithing is about money; many simply seek to share the truth of the gospel, which is of utmost importance.
@@jessemeiam824 Please could you refer me to any scripture in the New Testament/Covenant where Christ or his disciples taught about tithing? John the Apostle got a far more better and clearer revelation of the kingdom of heaven than any other disciples, ever far better than Apostle Paul. His writings were 100% revelations through an angel unlike Apostle Paul who writings were a mix of revelations and human convictions. There is no any other books of the bible like the book of Revelations that gives an insight into what the tasks of the souls who eventually would get resurrected, raptured and saved would be. I have studied the entire book of Revelation and there is no where where tithing is measured. Point of correction, every soul that makes it into the kingdom of God would never have the ability of sin again. They will only have the ability to obey, worship, serve and glory God. Arome's message that tithing would continue in heaven is a false message inspired by his human wisdom and not the Holy Spirit. Even in the old testament, it was only the tribe of Levi that was entitled to receiving tithe. Are you of the tribe of Levi? The Pharisees and the Teachers derived their laws from the Laws of Moses which are numerous. In the Law of Moses, people are forbidden to eat Pig and several other unclean animals. In the Law of Moses, women are forbidden in playing leading roles in the assembly of God's people. In the law of Moses, menstruating women are forbidden from coming near the synagogue or assembly of God's people for 7 good days until a ceremonial cleaning is performed on them. Tithing is also a part of this mosaic law. How come all these Nigerian pastors dont lay emphasis on law that forbids menstruating women from coming near the assembly of God's people until after seven days? How come these so called men of God just like Apostle Paul dont lay emphasis on women not playing a leading role in the church? How come these our Pentecostal Fraudsters of Nigeria(PFN) dont lay emphasis of abstinence from eating unclean animals like pig and the consequences of otherwise? Why are their emphasis always on tithing and the consequences of not tithing? When the Pharisees confronted Jesus with the question of tithing, he was so angry that the first sentence that came out of his mouth in Mat 23:23 was “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!" You give a tenth of your spices-mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law-justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. Apostle James wrote in James 1:27 that "Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. In the same manner, most of these Nigerian pastors would never lay emphasis on the superior importance of the need of their members to give more to the orphans, widows and those in needs. Instead they would manipulate the scriptures by saying that is is more blessed and fruitful to the pastor/church than to give to the needy/poor/orphan/widows. How do you explain many of your GOs who own schools built through the donations of their members but these same poor members are unable to afford those schools? Many of them just like Jesus said in Mark 10:25 that is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God
@@paulrog4336All these things you have said would have held water if you didn't revert to tithing under Levitical priesthood again. We're not dealing with tithing under the law now as has been severally said. You keep going back to the law anyway. Jesus never forbade tithing. He didn't teach on it but he didn't forbid it either. In fact, Jesus commended the widow who gave all that she had (confirming what he approved of). This was what the early church later practiced. It was based on separation unto God. Based on honour. Based on responsibility and sonship. Not forced, but yet they were aware of their duties towards Christ (High Priest likened to Melchizedek). God won't hold anyone by their neck to do what they know they should. It's not in his character. But because you're not doing it doesn't mean it's not expected of you. When Jesus taught, he said "when you give...". That paints a picture of what's expected of you. He didn't say "if" you give.
Abraham was rich before he went into the war which he came out with spoils.... However we never saw Abraham pay tithe before that time... Infact he paid out of his spoil not his salaries or increase... Melchizedeck never demanded for it but Abraham did it as an act of honour. This was done once ,we never saw him do it again..... Now Jesus who is our author and finisher in his earth walk never paid tithe and he didn't teach on it as well. .. The disciples whom he handed over his ideologies to represent him on earth and from where the church started never paid tithes nor received tithe; Not Peter ,James, John nor Paul who later came into the picture and wrote 2/3 of the new testament.... All other values of the kingdom ,Jesus taught and lived them out to show that it is possible to live them out as men yet he did teach on tithe and he didn't pay either as a man .....
I love Arome Osayi and sincerely appreciate him, but he is fond of using words that are very much controversial - WHO GAVE HIM LICENCE ON DOCTRINES. These manner is equally seen in Mike. THERE IS NO TITHING IN HEAVEN period, we all read the bible as well.
Even if it's there, let's concentrate on earthly things. Things that matter now. And Abraham did not pick the idea of tithing from spirit it a culture of the heathens to give a tenth to diets or gods after winning a battle.
Arome said the principle of tithing as honor will remain. There will be a perpetual priesthood and this means we will offer spiritual sacrifices to God forevermore. The principal of tithing will be upheld but what will constitute tithe may not be animals or money but things within the civilizations beyond this age
Oga go and read Hebrews 7:8. This verse states, "Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives" (NKJV). You guys should stay of what you don't know
Seriously I don't understand why Arome is still trying to justify his stands on this tithe thing. If in the new testament we r made kings and priests after the Melchizedek order in Christ Jesus aren't we supposed to receive tithes instead of giving it. N besides the law of honor in the new testament is to give our very lives to God not some 10% worth of goods come on if pastor Adeboye has cleared his wrong stands on this he should as well admit there is nothing like that in scripture where we will pay tithe heaven. If our lives belong to God now wat is 10% goods as honor to him in the world to come?
The Levites themselves paid tithe of tithe to Aaron. We are kings and priests, yet in our system, there is leadership hierarchy which leaders up to the High Priest, Jesus.
When you claim be too spiritual, you will deviate from the volume of the written books or scripture, and then tell men to inhabit your own doctrine. It takes a lot of patience to understand Abel Damina, if you are not spiritual discernable, you can never understand him, and you will call him a teacher of heresies. TITHE IS NEVER A PRINCIPLE, HOW CAN THE OWNER OF THE WHOLE UNIVERSE NEED YOUR 10% TO BLESS YOU? THE PRINCIPLE OF CHRIST IS TO PARTNER WITH CHRIST, AND TO BE HIS AMBASSADOR, WITHOUT SIGNING UNGODLY CONTRACT WITH THE WORLD (WORDLY AMBASSADORS)
You guys are here fighting over tithe when your government is out there ripping you all of your right to enjoy ordinary power supply, food, good road, and so on. You bloggers are so quick to put pastors on social media to discuss tithe. Wake up! And stand to your government not pastors.
@@jobest5175 Stop defending nonsense, leave corrupt politicians and Nigerian rulers. No one is fighting, we are setting things straight. Anyway, no one has a key to your bank accounts and pockets, do whatever you want with your money. Peace and love
This is completely wrong. Sir, you have erred in this matter. The Scripture has no private interpretation, all these analysis doesn't add up. We will keep honoring God forever, but there is no payment or giving of tithe in heaven. NO SIR!
Abraham was a spiritual man not ordinary. Look at his act, deeds manner of life, you will agree he was spiritual. Learn to digest your scripture whenever you read it. Thanks
@@oluwasegunfatoye2347 Lol; people think that those Bible characters were super human or what? they are mere humans like you and me and made so many mistakes that the scripture records; will you also say God asked him to sleep with his maid and later ask him to drive his own son Ishmael and his mother? Is it God that told him to lie that Sarah is his sister and collect bribe price on her head? Why do we only want to say because he gave Melchizedek a 10th of what he recovered from war so we should give 10% of our salary to pastors? Let us also make sleeping with our housemaids are norm too.
