As an England fan , I have absolutely no problem with Bairstow`s dismissal . It`s up to the umpires to decide whether the ball is dead or not . During my playing days , as a keeper , I tried many times to get batsmen out in this way - but I never once managed to find anyone dopey enough to fall for it - and that`s village cricket ! For a test player to fall for it is plain crazy . England seem to be blurring the lines between positivity and stupidity during this series . It`s the Ashes , guys . Sharpen up ! People only talk about "the spirit of cricket" , when it suits their argument . In reality , it doesn`t exist .
Seems to me as though most players and ex players feel as though it was a legitimate dismissal. It's only idiots and attention seekers that have never played the game, plus the odd politician trying to curry favour with the masses that think there was anything wrong with it.
And when the venal cnuts at Sky/NewsCorp promote outrage for their own profits…**** Stokes, Bairstow, Broad, Bazball, Baz and every whingeing English sod who abused their privilege at Lords 😠
@@langdalepaul The thing is, the whole concept of sportsmanship is rather vague and tenuous, and most sportsmen have crossed the line at some point in their careers. It makes it difficult to take the moral high ground when you are just as guilty of sharp practices as everybody else.
Maybe, maybe not. It is impossible to learn from a mistake without being willing to admit that you made one. Jonny Bairstow hasn't shown any sign of taking responsibility for a situation which arose from his nonchalance and this makes me think he may do it again.
English fan here-The moment i saw this live I knew it was out, nothing wrong with it. I enjoyed the comical grounding of Broad's bat for the rest of the day after the event but everything else was out of line. Spirit of Cricket as discussed is usually rolled out when laws cannot back the argument. Bowling under arm feels against the spirit but this was not. Nobody complained when pope ran out Colin de Grandhomme after he went walkabout following an LBW appeal last year, Broad did not walk when he knew he edged the ball in an Ashes test and as we have seen Mcullum and every body else has a history of the same thing. Bairstow tried to do this in the same match and we have seen him do a similar thing verses Patel in a county game. Here Bairstow gets credit but not Carey, it is rank hypocracy. Its been close but Australlia have been better (as much as it pains me to say it) and without many of their big guns firing consistently. Arogance on our part I feel also contributed to the loss in the first test match. I understand they wanted to protect Anderson from batting although I personally believe nobody should be protected, if they need to be do not play them. We still had Root in and Anderson was not even due yet. 393 was not enough verses this or Many other Australlia teams of years gone by. In the first innings you try to get as big a lead a you can, possibly avoiding the need to bat twice. I think the English arrogance on the back of Baz ball left them feeling that they could skittle out australlia with relative ease.
Great point on the England declaration first test, first innings. I get it if it’s 10 and 11 batting, but joe root on 100 odd smashing it everywhere, it just seemed a careless dismissal. Let him bat till he’s out and they win the test. Was a head scratcher. England have been so close but I think they are broken psychologically now. It’s a shame the series has become so hostile, but it sure is compelling!!
@@Gorilla_warfare its a storm in a tea cup really, added some spice. Don't think it is as hostile as the media are making out or the Egland team have to cover their mistakes. 13 dropped catches and a missed stumping and again this afternoon we are throwing away a great position. Dropping marsh is never a good thing. He can score so quickly and I felt this at the time.
Great video mate, I’d like to point out to that isn’t spoke much about . As bairstow leaves his crease, at the non strikers end stokes turns around grounds his bat and is looking at the umpire. Safe to say he didn’t think the ball was dead
Correct. I noticed that myself. The other important point was that the ball had left Carey’s glove before Bairstow had even left his crease. It’s just plain out!
mate this video was absolutely gold. last clip perfectly highlighted the hypocrisy of english cricket and bairstow, and how all this drama takes away what really happened - a fantastic game of cricket. to be honest i forgot about how well josh tongue bowled all because of this, and really makes me think twice about some players i had respect for, baz being one and im saying this as a kiwi
100%. As a fellow kiwi, Baz's comments have left me eye rolling. It's not like he hasn't tried that same dismissal a dozen times in his career. I get that you have to be supportive of your team and get around your boys, but seriously 🙄
To be entirely fair to Bairstow. I don’t think he’s actually said much about the whole incident. He accepted the ruling and walked off. I’m an Aussie and he seems to be the one quietest about the whole affair.
The sad part is. I like Baz for doing it. Shows how a alert a keeper he was. Keeping his finger on the pulse and his team in the game. Just very disappointing he didn’t come out and say bairstow should of done better. He knows it and we know it. All it would of taken instead they are playing victim to a white wash in the series
Even in from U-11 our coaches taught us to always stay in your crease when the ball is in play. That is just basics of cricket, to stay in your crease and protect your stumps.
It's the fact that he didn't look behind himself to see if the ball was dead. That was a habit drilled into every u11 schoolboy. Bairstow is a doosie individual 😂
Looking at all those replays, it did seem a bit too casual, almost arrogant, on the part of Bairstow to just walk off without checking behind him first.
Professional cricketer at the highest level and at a critical time in a tight moment of a gripping match makes a schoolboy error and cries - loudly - that "it isn't fair". Please, just stop.
English fan here and like the rest of your channel this is great content. As you and all other aussies have pointed out, the side and more specifically bairstow have no leg to stand on when it comes to the "spirit of cricket". When the stumping happened my heart dropped, and it felt unfair - after a few minutes of processing, i realised it was unfair for bairstow to be such a dozey git in such a vital innings. Unfortunately a sizable and vocal section of english fans/pundits went the tribalistic and delusional route instead. I love the conflict as much as the next fan but not when it results in second-hand embarrassment. On another note, scrap the MCC. Bunch of fossils who come from the same traditions and conceptions around the game that have led to the damning report.
Yeah hearing today the MCC abused Steve Smiths Mother so bad she had to leave and they made an 11 year old son of one of the staffers cry, that he had to be consoled by the entire team imho should all be banned forever from any stadium. Its beyond disgusting anywhere but especially at a Cricket game. That is probably the worst case of going against the spirit of the game I've ever heard of.
As an Aussie I had the exact same reaction. Our coverage didn’t show Carey throw the ball, we only heard the stumps break and Bairstow looking shocked. My first thought was “oooh, that’s a bit desperate. Not sure about that.” But the replays began to give a bit of context. When I saw it was all one motion I was satisfied that it was within the spirit of the game, as intangible as that is. But I still felt bad for Bairstow, a player I really like btw. But then more replays showed him walking from his ground, almost immediately, without checking the ball or umpire multiple, times that over. I then felt Bairstow, as a batsman, should have known better. Then the replay of him trying the same with Marnus on day 2, and I mean at this point, as a wicketkeeper, he has no leg to stand on to criticise Carey or the Australians. The stuff Broad was doing was vintage and the sort of thing we love to hate here. A but of theatre, same with the crowd chanting. It soon gets tired however. But the lunch incident in the longroom was when it dawned on me as a viewer that this dismissal had seemingly cut way deeper than it ought to have. I have seen crowds do some pretty sad things here in Australia, but none claimed to be custodians of the game. I honestly did expect better of those members. The post match stuff was also a bit of a shocker. I mean for a side that’s lost two tests in a row, won both tosses and had the better of the conditions, it must be an attempt at distraction. Stokes as captain didn’t congratulate his competition, or really do any reflection on where his side has gone wrong in losing the first two tests. Not a lot of contrition was shown. For me this also comes under the “spirit of the game.” I think it’s a shame. This tactic may have ignited the series with tensions high. But I hope an earnest attempt is made by the English to adjust their game because I want to see a good competition.
Aus' here, both teams have played incredible games, its just unfortunate that a great match ended this way. I wouldnt do it myself. This cant be compared to mankading as the player is trying to gain an advantage. You can tell by Bairstow's actions that he thought the ball was dead. To me its a pretty shitty way to take a wicket, even if its 'legal' I would have thought that a warning from the wicket keeper should have been given first. Cant wait for tomorrow night. I would like to see England win the next two tests and what a fifth test we would have. Lets see.
I think this is a measure of maturity. I seem to recall the Aussie general public and media got over the Starc catch pretty quickly, not 24hours prior.
It says in the preamble to the MCC rules talking about the spirit of the game it says "play hard & play fair" that's exactly what Australia did. It also says "Respect your opposition and the umpires" & "abide by the umpires decision" neither of which England have done, so it's England who aren't playing in the spirit of the game.
@@jonescrusher1 You are kidding aren't you surely, all they done since the game finished is whinge & whinge about it, so they don't abide by it, they've slurred their opposition by insinuating they've cheated so they've shown no respect to their opposition for clever well through out & executed cricket.
Marnus was batting out of his crease, attempting to take lbw out of the game. This makes it incomparable. Bairstow still made a pretty dumb error though.
McCullum was on the NZ SEN cricket show and was asked about the 'beers' comment. To paraphrase, he basically said that he knew it would play well in the English media and more or less laughed it off as that. I think they're just using it as a tool to try to get the crowds onside. They should be pissed off at Bairstow for making a mistake usually only 10yr olds make and then learn their lesson. Also, the 'Spirit of Cricket' is clearly defined in the preamble to the laws. It states that the umpires authority is to be respected. No more, no less.
looks bad now, considering our media here in Aus blew up that story recently about the English team refusing to have drinks with the Aus boys at the end of the Oval test last week. I liked McCullum as a batsman when he was playing, but he shot himself in the foot with that comment. Didnt he take 10yrs to apologise for that Murali runout he did? Maybe Carey/Cummins will backtrack on the stumping in 2033 sometime haha.
Is anyone taking the English side in this 'debate' seriously suggesting that if Alex Carey and fumbled the ball and Ben Stokes had called Jonny Bairstow through for a run, that Jonny would have declined and politely informed Ben that as far as he was concerned the ball was dead! Of course not.
Really don't get why people have an issue with this, he didn't stay in his crease, got stumped, he's out. Its like at the other end people crying because their batsmen can't cheat and run early
1981 Eng-India test, Kris Srikanth on his debut was run out by Embury in a similar fashion to Bairstow. English captain did not recall Srikanth. Where was the spirit of the game then? When convenient you call the "spirit of the game", rest of the time the spirit goes into hiding. 😂
It's the greatest test wicket in history. Which one has been celebrated by the whole world and most of England for days after? Only some extremely salty sooks that dont understand the rules they wrote are upset like Benny
Hundred percent agree. He might be a bit dozy and prone to a brain fart, but Bairstow is dangerous. On a deck that flat, he and Stokes could easily have chased that total. Super work by Carey, he's having a blinder of a series with the gloves.
@silverrahul Nah its the GOAT. Couldn't of made an entire country cry if you tried. Its also stopped them from being so chummy. It was getting cringe the amount of smiling and joking. This is the fucking Ashes. It's the highest prize in Cricket. Carey may be the GOAT sports person after this. What a man. Maybe even Nobel Prize winner. Second coming of Jesus too
how much training goes into hoping the batsman thinks the ball is dead ???? how many hours in the nets did that take ???? is that what you call entertainment and a challenge between bat and ball ???. i don't watch cricket for that...
You calling the comments of Stokes and McCullum a smokescreen was so spot on for me, Bazball was supposed to wipe the Aussies away like a smear and return the Ashes to England in a blaze of glory. The hype was built up into an absolute frenzy to the point where neither the team, nor the English public can accept the simple truth: your team just isn’t as good as ours is and hasn’t been for a long time.
@@jacobburtonswfc such a gentlemen sport. I didn't knew much about cricket but now everyone is pointing the cheating of everyone and as I said ... such a gentlemen sport
IF Stokes wouldn't want to win a game that way, WTF is Bairstow doing trying to get Labuschagne out in precisely the same way, in the same test 😱 ... pure, unadulterated bull💩 and sour🍇
It is tragic that such a good game is overshadowed by these complaints. So many legends of the game have already come out and said Bairstow dropped the ball and should have known better. You're probably right that this is just a tactic by the English to get their fans and team fired up to do better than they have been so far.
I think Johnny thought it was him that decides when the ball is dead. He also believed it was him that decides when it is end of the over. All he needs to do is scratch at his crease. He didnt even look back. He just took off. Carey threw it before he had even walked out of his crease. He managed to achieve what Bairstow tried to do, but couldnt. It is a fairly common thing in lower grade cricket, and many keepers attempt the stumping at test level...it just does not often work at test level because the batsmen have been around long enough to know better. It was a terrific piece of wicket keeping. Too much silly emotion took over. Carey has had a v v good series so far. Bairstow has been awful. If that ball hit the stumps and went to the boundary, they would take the 4 runs 100%, and the crowd would have been very happy.
My opinion on the issue of "Mankanding" is that it is cheating for the batsman to advance before the ball is bowled, as that gives him a clear head start and thus an advantage in avoiding being run out . Run out margins are often in inches and therefore advancing before the ball is bowled is cheating. Therefore I cannot fathom why the bowler running out a batsman in this manner should be frowned upon. The bowler is legitimately running out a batsman who has tried to cheat.
I would offer the view that the "spirit of cricket" is better served if the batter not cheat in the first place? Is there no onus on the batter to be mindful of :"the spirit of cricket"?
Very good summary. And thank you for pointing out the disgraceful comments of Bairstow, Stokes and McCullum (I'd add Broad) which were certainly not in the spirit of the game.
By calling into question of the spirit of the game, Stokes and McCallum violated it. He's put into question Cummin's captaincy by not withdrawing the appeal. That's not in the spirit of their game. They should accept all decisions made by the umpires and congratulate their opponents on their success.
I agree that the dismissal was within the rules but it was poor by Cummins. It is sporting to congratulate the winning team but you can’t congratulate that particular moment
It’s useful to watch the previous few overs of Bairstow leaving his crease early without checking behind him. Bairstow as a WK should know better. In fact he does, as he tried the same thing in the same game. Carey is just the far better keeper.
English ex-cricketer here. Bairstow was 100% out. Well spotted by the keeper. As a batsman it's drilled into you to check where the ball is before leaving your crease. Bairstow made a schoolboy error and failed to do this.
Excellent content and exlained very well. I like the "Smokescreen" piece and agree that you maybe right, to move the focus of the media away from the poor England performance. Well done, and shame on MCC behaviour, appaulling spirit of cricket.
One point of the incedent that doesn't get mentioned is that when the stumps are hit, greene is only about a foot away from Bairstow, halfway down the pitch, I could understand if he was grabbing his hat back from the ump, but it just shows how fast Bairstow left his crease. Also it's bewildering that Bairstow didn't look back to see where the ball had gone at anytime. What if Carey had of fumbled the ball? He could have missed potential byes.
All this talk of ‘spirit of the game’! That disappeared as soon as the game went professional, just as in all other sports. Winning at all costs, within the laws! Show me a sport that competitors don’t ‘cheat’ or try to cheat to get an advantage. As for this Bairstow incident, he was out, end of story. English players have been well documented in their ‘cheating’, so they don’t get to play the not fair card. I’m English and proud but for goodness sake ‘grow a pair and come back with more determination.
wouldn't it be 'sporting' for Duckett to walk after being caught by Starc ? - it was not dropped, it was in the field of play and was from a legal delivery.
Every team has done it but conveniently forget that when it happens to their team. If it's against the spirit of the game change the rule. Otherwise play til the ball is dead, if you get caught out it's only yourself to blame.
@@jacksonconstantine5740 only 1 documented instance of cheating as far as I can recall. Unlike the English, of course, who have never used anything, such as mints, to tamper with the ball.
It’s not like he held the ball and waited for bairstow to walk out of his crease, like what bairstow has done in the past, he caught in and threw it as soon as he could. Englands excuse that the umpires moved was the umpires fault for not realising it was a stumping attempt. It would’ve been really disappointing if it was given not out because the umpires weren’t focused. England trying taking the moral high ground after bowling bouncers at Lyon who is struggling to stand because of a injury is disgraceful
Surely it's in the spirit of cricket to protect your wicket, it's something you can control. So something personal like Stokes was talking about. So was Bairstow acting in the spirit of cricket? You can go on with this sort of stuff. Great video mate.
Stokes: i wouldn't wanna win this way by crushing spirit of the game..... Stokes in wc 19: i wanna say sorry to them but we won so what can u dooo...... Broad: u will be only remembered for this.... Broad remember for: edging the ball still playing in 13... Getting hit for 6 sixes... And many stupid thing that can happen to one bowler happens with broad. English crowd is just the avg child u will cry if he's answer comes wrong and then talk about why don't u just take back your decision to fail me... It's an ever ending story of crying Englishman who will cry not on the rule but why opposition took advantage of it. I didn't feel stokes talking about starc catch that it was immoral of their team in the spirit of the game to consider it not out. English crowd were happy with it but not the other way around. If in cricket hypocrisy had a face it would be England for sure. They cry on every game they lost.
The “spirit of the game” is effectively the etiquette of the game, or the unspoken rules, built around concepts of fair competition. It definitely exists. You see it in players that walk or don’t when they’re clearly out and how their reputations are affected. Run outs by bowlers and batsmen handling the ball are other examples of it. The etiquette to this style of stumping is clearly on display by all teams as being acceptable. The only two times it hasn’t been is this match and when England were in the West Indies. The reason those two matches stand out as exceptions were because of an emotionally charged home crowd. But this breaches a worse rule, an unequal set of rules based on where a match is played and how invested the fans are. Different rules for home sides is a worse breach of any “spirit of cricket”. So, there’s no question this stumping is in the rules, it’s then arguable if there’s such a thing as etiquette but I believe there is. The last is whether the etiquette is conducted consistently, and all the evidence points to this being an acceptable form of dismissal in most cases attempted by all teams, the only exceptions to it being when passionate home crowds come into play. So essentially, arguing for an exception to the rule on the basis of home team passion by crying “spirit of the game” is itself against the “spirit of the game”
Of course Australia aren't immune to going against the spirit of the game. That underarm delivery by Trev Chappel was an absolute disgrace and the Kiwis still aren't over it over 40 years later and I don't really blame them. Within the laws of the game, yes. But, that's only because ODI cricket was pretty new at the time and they probably never foresaw something like this happening. This incident though is completely different. Carey had every right to do what he did against a batsman who was brain-dead. I'm Australian btw
I completely agree with everything you said about it being in the laws of the game. He is daft to have left his crease before confirming it was over. However, a mankad is actually more legitimate in my eyes than that. Mankad happens when a batter is trying to jump the gun on getting a run in. Therefore giving an advantage. This was Bairstow in his crease, marking his line, clearly "settled", then walking to chat with his fellow batter. There is zero advantage to him leaving his crease "faster" here. I agree he was daft to do it, but it can't be argued it is a sly way to win. Same if England do it, but that clip you showed at the end of Bairstow stumping, was of a wicket keeper standing up to the wicket and stumping instantly, the batter hadn't "settled" from the shot. If Carey had been standing up or thrown it faster he would not have got him. The same argument applies to someone being "settled with the ball" when catching. Also people can disagree with the laws of the game. The anger is sparked more by this kind of video, than if you'd just left it alone.
Breaking News: The entire England Cricket Team has undergone medical assessments under the concussion guidelines….officials are concerned at the immediate loss of memory by all of the squad, including the coach. Medical staff believe it may be a case of pompous, self entitled, sore looseritis, hypocrisy they’re all suffering. Which has lead to a hereditary bout of whinging, whining and rants about a subject they have no knowledge of or experience in… ‘Sprit of the game’. Should they be required to be substituted out of the next test there are growing concerns as the sooking and hypocrisy has spread across the country in a manner worse than any pandemic in living memory.
I presume the whole 'Spirit of the game' argument is premised on the belief that Bairstow thought the ball was dead and therefore the Australians shouldn't have appealed? Allow me to counter. If you watch the replay you'll notice that Bairstow does not look back ONCE after the ball passes the bat. For all Bairstow knew, the ball could very well have been halfway to the boundary for byes and very much alive. That alone makes the whole 'he thought it was dead' argument invalid. He assumed the ball was dead, and we all know what assumption is...
As an Aussie (albeit not born yet during this incident) I don't agree with people who blindly say there are no laws banning an action meaning it's fair as that underarm delivery by Trevor Chappel was an absolute disgrace and took advantage of a hole in laws of the game that shockingly never foresaw this happening. That absolutely was against the spirit of the game and Greg Chappel should be ashamed of himself ordering of all people his brother to do such a disgraceful act. Would you excuse killing someone if murder wasn't illegal? Having said that I think this dismissal isn't at all comparable. This isn't taking advantage of a hole in the laws of the game. It was taking advantage of a stupid batsman who got what he was asking for. I also see the mankad as fair. If the runner wants to get a Headstart then they take that risk.
@silverrahul do you think the citizens of England under Henry VIII thought that it was ok to behead all those people just because he's a king? I doubt it very much
Absolutely nailed it. Tounge was fantastic in his debut Ashes test. Almost unplayable for those few devastating overs. What a great addition, especially with Broad and Anderson looking fairly creaky in the joints. Can we talk about Pat Cummin's double wicket over, with arguably the best ball of the series to Brook? Starc's return to the side adding some heat to the attack? Lyon batting with a series ending calf injury? Stokes's innings nearly won the match, and without another top order batter at the other end, had to carry the run chase himself. Warner and Smith are still in the Australian side, and it's taken me a while to be ok with that as an Australian. But this team feels like the most "fair" team we've had in a years.
I got out stumped when playing indoor cricket for leaving my crease due to me missing my shot and being frustrated with myself for playing a poor shot. My instant reaction when stumped was "that can't be right," but when I had a second or two to think about it, I knew I was out. I have never left my crease again in the same manner and realise it is my responsibility as a batter to be aware of my position in the crease at all times.
If Stumping is Right, Run out at the Bowler's end is right too.. The Non-Striker's ultimate Job is to Protect the Wicket at his end.. That's the reason, he is even made to stand there.. That's the same reason y it's 'All Out' even when one Batsmen always tend to be Not-Out, coz they don't have another player to Protect the Another Wicket 😊 The Moment umpire put his Hand down, allowing the Bowler to take his Lap, the Ball is in Play 🙂 If the Non-Striker fails to protect it, he must go out.. Learn more Cricket so that even LAWS will look Beautiful 🥰
"What we are now starting to see is what the team looks like when it begins to suffer a couple of defeats in a row" - Actually its what we have ALWAYS seen with the English team. It's just the culture of that national team, always has been.
They don't understand what the "Spirit of Cricket" is. Here are some parts of the THE PREAMBLE - THE SPIRIT OF CRICKET from the MCC Laws of Cricket. - Accept the umpire’s decision. - Show self-discipline, even when things go against you - Congratulate the opposition on their successes. If they understood, they would have said "Well done chaps, youv'e done a good one on Johnny" and moved one. Instead they whinged & whined.
The "spirit of the game" is surely learning, understanding and respecting the rules and accepting the umpires decision. England and Bairstow demonstrate none of this. WE shed OUR tears as 8 year olds In backyards and at school To leave your ground say "wicket leave" It's how WE learnt THEIR rule.
Mmmm! The fuddy-duddy, over-privileged LORDS utterly destroyed the ‘spirit’ of the game when they persisted with bodyline against Australia. Look at the rules (20.1.1 and 20.1.2). Bairstow employed them when it suited England. Now England is pissed off because Australia employed them. It is an added bonus that Mister Stumping himself got a dose of Karma. Finally, do you know what the ‘spirit of the game’ is? The Ashes series is about winning the Ashes. ‘Spirit of the game' is for the ladies club in the pavilion - the Lords. No wonder America chose a Republic instead of a Monarchy. The class system in the UK will persist as long as the monarchy does. The Lords themselves wrote these two rules - (20.1.1. - The ball becomes dead when it is finally settled in the hands of the wicket-keeper or of the bowler. 20.1.2 - The ball shall be considered to be when it is clear to the bowler’s end umpire that the fielding side and both batters at the wicket have ceased to regard it as in play). No wonder America chose a Republic instead of a Monarchy. The class system in the UK will persist as long as the monarchy does.
McCullum promoted this style of play as a player /coach for Brisbane in the T20 format….good to watch but needed balance to be consistently winning…as a Queenslander I soon got sick of the bravado that caused us to lose too often…
I have a kind of funny story when i played Saturday bush cricket years ago... As it was just a local club we had no independent umpires so the batting team would umpire. I aimed to be impartial of course. One time our best batter comes to bat and is absolutely plumb LBW first ball. Absolutely nobody appealed I couldn't believe it. All the bowler did was look at me. I'm sorry mate but that does NOT constitute an appeal. I of course didn't give him out. He went on to score 60+. At the end of the over I couldn't help it I asked the guy "where was the appeal?" Friggin hilarious that we won too by only 5 runs. Was it against the spirit of the game to not give him out?
I can't remember how Bairstow was described by the commentary team, but I'm pretty sure it was something along the lines of sloppy. And I'm in complete agreement! He's a professional sportsman and should know the rule book. The opportunity presented itself and the Ozzie's took it. Fair play! I'm convinced England would have done exactly the same given the situation and have little room rattle on about "being in the spirit of the game" when the only ones who appear to be taking liberties with it are some of the fans and in particular the MCC members who heckled them on the teams return to the pavilion. Going to be an exciting 3 remaining matches of the series, but any mention of this being a "potential turning point" will be bollocks!
I wanna see the English bowlers continue to bounce the Aussies, and on an occasion an Aussie handles the ball… The English go up and appeal and the crowd rise as one for a dismissal… Then the batsman says ‘nah, I was protecting myself from injury’… keep his wicket and go on to score a glorious ton.
Those of us who have played many years of cricket also have had the pleasure?? of having to umpire quite a few games also and one thing was always clear; when an umpire called out quite loudly "over". When this occurs there can be no doubt that the ball is then dead and the batsmen are free to tend their garden, make small talk or engage in some other mental outlet all they like. It seems the ICC and their umpires rarely seem to do this nowadays so are they then contributing to the murky waters which is easily put to bed if this simple act is followed? I have also had a keeper throw down the stumps of a batsmen that overbalanced and stepped out of his crease and foolishly never stepped back in when the keeper was 15 yards (ok 5 yards as I was never that quick) away and have it deemed a stumping as the form of dismissal. Clever work by the keeper no doubt and no argument from the opposition nor the batsmen. It happens...move on...next game please. Leave the hystrionics behind and learn from your mistakes. I was still finding new ways to be dismissed or "never befores" after 30 years of playing the game.
It seems to me Bairstow did not leave the crease thinking the umpire had called 'over' or the ball as presumed dead. He had the habit of walking down the pitch to pad-down the spot of the last delivery. To do that he has to keep a mental image of the impact point. This image fades quickly, so he trots off soon as he can. When he was stumped, he trotted off without taking care if the ball was actually alive. In the video you can see Bairstow's eyes are fixed on the area of the last delivery and mindlessly walks toward it. Carey (or others) had previously observed Bairstow's habit. Bairstow lost situational awareness. He did not really know where the ball actually was (he assumed he knew), didn't know what Carey was doing (assumed he knew), and wasn't really sure what he himself was doing (in thinking a foot scrape behind the crease is enough to make the ball dead). He was preoccupied with tapping down the impact point on the pitch. It was one of the intermittent lapses in concentration he has.
Lol what ethics? If it's in the rules that you can be given out in this fashion then you are out, simple as that. Bairstow must learn to stay in he's crees. The keeper saw him out of he's crees before the umpire called over, so the ball was legally still in play. I am no fan of the cheating (sandpaper gate) Aussies, but there was nothing done wrong by Carey in this case.
As a lot of people have said, it is within the rules of the game. Even a previous England captain (Vaughn) has said that it was a 'brain fart' on Bairstow's part to leave the crease without looking at the keeper and 'getting the nod' that the over was over, if Carey had stumped him after giving the nod, then it would have been against the spirit of the game. Given that Bairstow had attempted to do the same thing in the same match (and had done the same thing in another match and when asked about it said it was withing the rules so it was ok) then I don't think that the England team can use the 'spirit of cricket' defense in any way for this, as they have done (or attempted to do) the same thing themselves, I think that Bairsow (and the rest of the team) should take Baistow's own advice from 2014. Interestingly the MCC has disciplined the members involved in the altercation in the long room. And dare anyone mention bodyline?
If it is within the laws of the game, then it is within the spirit of the game. If it was against the spirit of the game, then ot should be outlawed in the laws. For me, the spirit of the game is about how you conduct yourself on the field, in areas not covered by the laws. Having a broader version of the spirit of the game might work with low level amateur cricket, but with the amount of money involved these days, the spirit of the game is ridiculous. If you can use the laws to generate a legitimate win, then that is perfectly fine. As far as I'm concerned the actions and words of some of the England players, and the members in the long room, THAT was what was against the spirit of the game.
Two comments. The wicket keeper had thrown at the stumps before Bairstow left the crease. Baiirstow did not even glance behind before leaving the crease. He should be embarrassed.
I am just curious if Carey missed the stump and ball went to boundary will england not accept the runs and then how the famous final world cup deflection by strokes was taken.
The England fans seem to forget how bad the rub of the green has historically been for Australia in England. They had many decisions go against them in 2005. I remember one where Katich was cruising on 60+ on a pitch that was doing plenty and got given out lbw to a ball pitching 2 feet outside leg. We had a good chance to win that match if Katich went on to make a big score. What about in 2019 when (yes we wasted our reviews) umpire gives England batsman not out on a delivery that blind Freddy could see was out.
@@XaviRonaldo02013 was also a shocker for wrong decisions against Australia. And in 2005 we could have won the Edgbaston Test even Kasprowicz was wrongly given out. The thing is though, this one (against Bairstow) was the correct decision. Unambiguously.
I actually dont have a problem with mankanding. How else are you supposed to keep the non striker in their crease? The rules are written like that for a reason.
As much as the mankad is not really “in the spirit of cricket” I don’t think the non striker being two or three steps down the pitch by the time the ball leaves the bowlers hand is either so I don’t see the problem with it. Just like this incident, stay in your crease and there won’t be a problem
Let's say the bouncer hits Bairstow and he falls outside the crease and it looks like an injury, then the run out is against the spirit of the game. This wicket is legal and fair
Good points made. Given England are only 2 draws/1 loss out of 3 tests away from losing the Ashes at home, of course they'll make the stumping the biggest talking point for the next few days Or even weeks. Also, McCullum, Bairstow, Broad and even Stokes should reflect on their own actions which violate so called spirit of cricket.
To a certain degree I agree, when one side is doing it doesnt necessarily justify us doing it. Wicket keeper could give him a warning first and then go from there. Bairstow wasnt trying to gain an advantage.
@daniello9155 alot of stumpings off of spinners aren't trying to get an advantage, they're usually trying to get back😅, stumpings off seamers should definitely be fine too
how much training goes into hoping the batsman thinks the ball is dead ???? how many hours in the nets did that take ???? is that what you call entertainment and a challenge between bat and ball ???. i don't watch cricket for that...
@@marcuslowe2164 different circumstances, part of the wicket keepers job is stumping during the play/miss of the ball, this was close enough to being a dead ball. yes it was legal.
