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A daughter of one of my subscribers has been having arguments with her teachers over history, and is worried that if she argues her case, she'll be marked wrong because the teacher will only go by the national curriculum. She asks: "How can we learn from history if it's not the truth?" Here's my advice for her.
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@davidlewis2447
@davidlewis2447 Год назад
Hi tik my daughter has watched your video she’s in agreement with you she’s just got to just agree with them and move on she realises she’s banging her head against the wall. il get her the book you recommended
@davidlewis2447
@davidlewis2447 Год назад
Hi tik I forgot to ask where is the best place to buy the book you recommended her read
@TheImperatorKnight
@TheImperatorKnight Год назад
I'm glad to hear she agreed! It's a shame but she's got to do what's best for her. And the book is on Amazon Kindle for £7.87, or physical for £16, so I'd say that's a good bet.
@davidlewis2447
@davidlewis2447 Год назад
@@TheImperatorKnight thank you yes she knows it’s the grade at the end that what counts Il find out which format she wants
@purplefood1
@purplefood1 Год назад
@@TheImperatorKnight I do pity teachers because history is a tricky subject to teach, the majority of the population believe it's more to do with learning the dates of events than studying sources and then on top of that it's very political.
@Irken98798998
@Irken98798998 Год назад
something else to keep in mind too, teachers have to teach curriculums that are approved. I had one teacher from France, PHD, brilliant man, and he ended up loosing his job due to showing alternative perspectives on history. So it's not just the students who deal with this.
@Jduekengn
@Jduekengn Год назад
We live in a period where arguing with your teachers which already is showing more interest in the topic than most students will lower your grade.
@KaDaJxClonE
@KaDaJxClonE Год назад
Grades are mostly based on submission, not interest or knowledge.
@Сайтамен
@Сайтамен Год назад
We have always been living in that period.
@briantarigan7685
@briantarigan7685 Год назад
We trully live in a society
@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457
@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 Год назад
​@@briantarigan7685A really backwards one.
@Th3_Gael
@Th3_Gael Год назад
Were living in a period where I was arguing against 4 teachers on behalf of my son, everything from my memory. While the 4 of them had phones out googling things to fact check me or try and best me. They still lost Teachers these days should all have to wear a new uniform, with lots of colours, funny hair, big shoes and a squeeky nose. And I mean EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM
@gintautassickus6390
@gintautassickus6390 Год назад
My history teacher emphasized that fascism and national socialism were different ideologies. During the tests, that we had every few weeks, we needed to read both soviet sources and current sources, then explain what was trying to be conveyed. It seems Lithuanian and English education systems are were different.
@sdrc92126
@sdrc92126 Год назад
They were both attempts at building the tower of babel. For the national socialists, their god was aryan and for the fascists, god was the corporation. And the New Soviet man for the communists.
@f23-n4t
@f23-n4t Год назад
Wait americans get taught that the nazis were left wing?
@SixFootTurkey_
@SixFootTurkey_ Год назад
@@f23-n4t lolno. Americans don't learn about any political ideologies in public school.
@issintf925
@issintf925 Год назад
It makes sense in my mind that Lithuanians are happy to reveal the evil of socialism in all forms, considering it was only 30 years ago they were under its boot. I wish american education was even somewhat balanced....
@issintf925
@issintf925 Год назад
​@@f23-n4tNope we mostly just get taught anti american propaganda until we hit ww2, and then learn that all the 'baddies' are right wing and all the 'good guys' are left wing. It helps them cope with the fact that the US funded the war effort of one of the worlds most evil regime
@rcgunner7086
@rcgunner7086 Год назад
I'm a teacher myself and I have to agree with Tik, depressingly enough. If the viewer's daughter had submitted that paper to me then I would have given her great marks (I WANT students to think for themselves and come to a reasonable conclusion based off their work), BUT, depending on the standard and the assessment, I would have warned her that the conclusion REQUIRED is different because the writers of the curriculum are idiots... so she may have to alter her responses if she's writing for a standardized test. It's depressing, but it is true. You're there to get the credits that allow you to move on, and frequently those who write what is to be taught have agendas to push and could care less about "truth" (which is relative to them anyway). It's just depressing...
@angelachouinard4581
@angelachouinard4581 Год назад
Why just today a teacher I know told me they can't get teachers. Smart people who might have been great teachers don't want to be part of a system that is mostly brainwashing, political correctness and does it's best to stamp out questioning and critical thinking. Those already in the game that know the score but still do their best for the kids need our support (and probably our prayers).
@creamchoco
@creamchoco Год назад
When I went to school, only one of my US teachers taught 20th century history and she only taught us a brief summary of it. Now that I think of them, I think they wanted to avoid controversial topics. There was one instance when I heard of the parents winning. I went to an international school in South Korea. The British parents disagreed with the way the US teachers taught English and taught history (particularly on the American Revolution and the War of 1812). Many of the students were British. The headmaster didn't want to lose them and agreed on a separate school for them on the same property. This happened a few years after my parents moved me and my sister to a South Korean school. (But my dad got disappointed with the South Korean education. The education system here and what they teach tend to change whenever a different ruling party becomes the majority. What the students learned would become obsolete by the time of the entrance exams. My dad sent us to another international school because of that).
@Lonovavir
@Lonovavir Год назад
My teacher friend said the same thing to me. He got into trouble for actually teaching and not sticking to the curriculum he was assigned.
@ArgentWolf95
@ArgentWolf95 Год назад
something really needs to change, Paulo Freire was the worst thing to ever happen to education.
@bobSeigar
@bobSeigar Год назад
'Conclusion Required' Pretty toxic. Then again, the entire Socratic method is an abject failure.
@strafe155
@strafe155 Год назад
"You're not in school to learn, you are not there to be educated, you are there to get the grade so that you can then find a career". This is painfully accurate.
@bblauter
@bblauter Год назад
So true
@gmw3083
@gmw3083 Год назад
Programmed = €ducated.
@throatwobblermangrove8510
@throatwobblermangrove8510 Год назад
Unfortunately, the vast majority will only learn what is taught in school. They not only won't seek knowledge elsewhere, they won't even know they should seek knowledge elsewhere. They will know so little that they will be oblivious to how little they actually know.
@Haha-dg2jr
@Haha-dg2jr Год назад
Not educated but schooled.
@Snarflelocker
@Snarflelocker Год назад
It's important to remember that this is all the fault of the teachers, who designed the system ground up themselves. lol.
@borchen0
@borchen0 Год назад
Not all teachers are like this; I once corrected my history-teacher, who stated that D-Day was the first time the Allies entered mainland Europe. I told him about Dieppe and some commando-raids. He was really interested and asked more about it. I ended up with a nice grade for History that year.
@michaelpettersson4919
@michaelpettersson4919 Год назад
But that is hardly "controversial" facts so you could get away with those.
@peted2770
@peted2770 Год назад
What about the entire Italian campaign.
@andrewszigeti2174
@andrewszigeti2174 Год назад
@@michaelpettersson4919 For many teachers, 'controversial' means 'different from what I say'.
@yoreichenherz6847
@yoreichenherz6847 Год назад
@@peted2770 nah Italy doesnt count
@NoahBodze
@NoahBodze Год назад
I had Christopher Hitchens as a college professor and corrected him in class about the civil war and he was cool with it because I citied by source. He wasn’t the least bit embarrassed about being wrong.
@moledaddy
@moledaddy Год назад
I'm glad to finally hear someone mention the babysitting scheme and it's economic purpose. I've been trying to explain this to people forever, but get the most blank stares of any argument.
@charleshill1906
@charleshill1906 Год назад
Race War in High School by Harold Saltzman
@Puritan1985
@Puritan1985 Год назад
I'll revisit this once I finish the video , but schools are kindof terrible babysitters. the start and end times are awkward, and there are so many breaks, early dismissals and half days. Unless the actual goal is impoverishment and enervation of parents.
@moledaddy
@moledaddy Год назад
@@Puritan1985 the government wants mothers to get a job, but they don't want families to get ahead. Then mothers might quit their jobs. It's a trap.
@unlearningcommunism4742
@unlearningcommunism4742 Год назад
God bless our grandparents. They were the most important institution, and the very reason why despite the system in the Eastern Europe was soul crushing, at least my generation was saved from both extremes.
@charleshill1906
@charleshill1906 Год назад
@@Puritan1985 early schools were known as "day jails" because without them, teenagers were running around screwing their brains out and generally causing trouble. Which is why most schools look like prisons, have large fenced in yards, and are highly regimented. There's not that much difference between then and now. They were never meant to do a good job, but rather just give parents the ability to put their kid someplace where they weren't running amok.
@dabidibup
@dabidibup Год назад
Picking your battles is important. If the girl goes along with the teacher just enough, the teacher will hold her opinion in higher regard - and having an authority figure say you’re smart is better then them saying you’re dangerously wrong. Don’t abandon the truth, but package it in a way that’s digestible for the teacher. (Remember you’re the smarter one) Instead of saying “this proves they were left wing” say “this was uncharacteristic of the right”. People don’t like being corrected, it’s easier if you give them the information so the “click” can happen on their own time (since she’s already aware of your views, you may have to tone it down even more for a while)
@snozzlehead92
@snozzlehead92 Год назад
Or say that you're having doubts and ask the teacher in question form that cleverly state your stance. Then follow up with more questions until they start to trip over themselves.
@mickeyscott635
@mickeyscott635 Год назад
then and than ar nut the sam ward
@SpringfieldCynic
@SpringfieldCynic Год назад
@@spambot_gpt7 everything can be used against you.
@ryansmith-kd3xm
@ryansmith-kd3xm Год назад
Either 2+2=5 or it doesn't. Going along to get along ensures it keeps going on.
@naturfagstoff
@naturfagstoff Год назад
I agree this would probably be the best strategy, but as a teacher myself, I'm saddened by the lazy, brain-washing approach many of my colleges follow, and their intellectual bullying and religiously based indoctrination of young, bright people.
@stein5763
@stein5763 Год назад
When I was in secondary school I actually used a lot of TIK’s work to help formulate arguments and essays, and because most of my history teachers didn’t care, they privately told me that they were convinced by my arguments, but not to rock the boat too much as it would confuse the rest of the class.
@chipparmley
@chipparmley Год назад
and upset their union bosses
@AwesomeIan135
@AwesomeIan135 Год назад
I think this is true for every subject as well. In elementary school I came up with a lot of my own methods for arithmetic and enjoyed teaching them to students who were struggling with the methods we were being taught, however, I was told by my teachers to stop.
@barrydaemi6287
@barrydaemi6287 Год назад
​@AwesomeIan135 interesting... they probably had an ulterior motive; present-day schools receive money for special education classes or other special education "programs" to help struggling students. I propose that you might actually helping said student, you were potentially depriving the school the need of said program and possible them receiving said funding. Ironic that you were helping more struggling students then a funded program, and asked to stop because it threatened the schools funding slightly.
@AR15andGOD
@AR15andGOD Год назад
Our job is to rock the boat. I'll die over this.
@floydlooney6837
@floydlooney6837 Год назад
rocking the boat can be fun, though. I remember 5th grade "spelling" class having to use all the words of the week in a story.... we made them into horror novels....
@Vinlander95
@Vinlander95 Год назад
I am a history teacher myself, though of a more conservative mindset that most modern teachers and i try to be more nuanced in my teaching than letting personal opinions or bias influence my teaching. That being said I agree with what you're saying about how you have to just lie and agree, or say what you know the person wants you to say. When I was getting my education degree back in 2017 I had a mandatory class called "Social Justice, marxism, and the education system." It was basically a course that promoted Marxist ideology and super woke talking points. I had no choice but to take the course if I wanted to graduate and get my teaching degree. Though I was 100% in opposition to the points and content being taught and promoted in the class, I wasn't about to let all the time and money I had invested into my university education go down the drain by being a contrarian to the teacher and failing the course. When the time came to write the exams and do assignments, I just wrote all the woke talking points that I knew the teacher wanted to hear, passing the course with a 98% hahaha. What is even funnier is that I stopped going to the in-class lectures altogether and just did my work online, yet still passed with flying colours due to knowing the obvious woke answers the teacher was looking for. To me, I was playing the long game - I would go along with this stupid woke course for one semester so that I could become a history teacher and make more of a difference in the classroom, I'd be one less woke teacher spouting false history.
@JoBlakeLisbon
@JoBlakeLisbon Год назад
Nice work! A woke Trojan horse.
@Jacob-gj8hz
@Jacob-gj8hz Год назад
Sadly I believe you are not in the majority. Sad state of affairs these days. It can only be held rearguard by those such as yourself it seems. God speed.
@NoahBodze
@NoahBodze Год назад
Counterinfiltration. These were all our institutions once; marxists don’t make anything. I usually like to ask them that flat out; “why don’t marxists ever make anything, only scheme to take what other people made?” When you get down to their greed, at their base, they lose control and it’s really funny.
@user-03-gsa3
@user-03-gsa3 11 месяцев назад
Is this in america?
@Vinlander95
@Vinlander95 10 месяцев назад
@@user-03-gsa3 Canada
@crukih7527
@crukih7527 Год назад
I remember back in secondary school getting into a heated debate. Sadly it wasn’t as interesting as History but in English literature. Our teacher kept pushing the idea that Frankenstein the doctor was the real monster, because that’s what the curriculum says. I disagreed then and I do now. The book shows that Doctor Frankenstein was terrified of his creature and ran away in fear. I could not attribute malice to what I saw was, at worst, cowardice. The monster on the other hand has several chapter humanising him, going to painstaking lengths to show his complex grasp or morality and ethics. Yet because he feels slighted by his master, he murders innocent people related to him before even asking for help in creating a mate. That’s pure sociopathic behaviour. Doctor Frankenstein was a flawed man but a monster? I don’t think so.
@williammkydde
@williammkydde Год назад
I used to be a teacher long ago. If a pupil had a "dissident" take, like yours, I would not lower the grade. As long as I knew you had read it (because most of them don't) and seeing that you were able to argue and present your point, I would still give a good mark. But I am not a teacher anymore, and then too, on some ideological issues, teachers are either brainwashed themselves, or under pressure to teach "the current thing" or else.
@andrewszigeti2174
@andrewszigeti2174 Год назад
I was going to argue with you about that, but your argument is compelling. Not sure I 100% agree, but it certainly is a reasonable conclusion.
@JoBlakeLisbon
@JoBlakeLisbon Год назад
Sure - Frankenstein was a coward, but not a monster. That's obvious. The monster himself is, ultimately, a beast, with a few human emotions and human vulnerabilities but an ape-like level of reactive violence.
@williammkydde
@williammkydde Год назад
@@JoBlakeLisbon Good point. This may be M. Shelley's religious point: a human, in his arrogance, may be able to build mechanically a living chimera, but it's God only who gives the soul. I read it very long ago. If I remember correctly, it ends with the beast escaping to the North, and Frankenstein setting out to catch him. Right? Maybe, I should re-read - but I don't feel like it: too hopelessly gruesome.
@NoahBodze
@NoahBodze Год назад
Frankenstein is a monster because he let his creation out of the box when doing nothing at all was the virtue. He played god. Don’t play god.
@itinerantpatriot1196
@itinerantpatriot1196 Год назад
“Most people are not just comfortable in their ignorance, but hostile to anyone who points it out.” ― Plato’s Allegory of the Cave
@IggyTthunders
@IggyTthunders Год назад
This would be the same Plato, if memory serves, who theorized that anyone who gained true knowledge, by stepping out of the cave, could not explain it to the plebs inside. Plato was every teenager: "you wouldn't understand even if I told you, dad!" Of course Plato took it one step further and said, 'Well, we should just rule those people. It's for their own good.'
@deutschesvaterlandfankanal
@deutschesvaterlandfankanal Год назад
​@@IggyTthundersit's still better us that rule than the marxist socialists
@gruffelo6945
@gruffelo6945 Год назад
@@IggyTthunders Was he wrong though?
@HardingNo1
@HardingNo1 Год назад
I was a secondary school history teacher for many years.I am amazed at these tales of indoctrination. If I could get my students to begin a sentence with a capital letter and end it with a full stop I was happy. For higher levels, getting them to write in paragraphs was the ultimate, almost unattainable goal.
@TheImperatorKnight
@TheImperatorKnight Год назад
Yes, and the reason why is because they didn't want to be in school in the first place, they think it's incredibly boring, and have no reason or incentive to learn the stuff. If the kid doesn't want to be there, it doesn't matter how great the teacher is, that kid is not learning anything. This is why I said it's a babysitting operation. This is also why I said self-education is more valuable than official education. If you're curious or have an interest in a particular subject, that's when you'll go out to read or study the topic, and ultimately learn it. Education starts with curiosity, and ends in incentives. If you got paid to learn to do something, you'd definitely be more motivated to learn it. The irony is that school kids would probably learn to write properly if they played computer games, because they'd be on the internet and reading articles or forum posts on how to play, and would naturally pick up how to string a sentence together. Same with paragraphs or anything else. I personally didn't learn to read, write or do math in school, and I didn't even take history in school because I thought class was boring (even though I loved watching documentaries and playing historical computer games).
@kane-111
@kane-111 Год назад
​@@TheImperatorKnight English isn't my native language but everyone always said I sound almost fluent American when I speak, literally games first, music and movies second is how I picked it up, and what's hilarious is that I used to more often than not fail English tests in school lol. Granted I wouldn't call it a skill, but I learned a foreign language solely through entertainment. TLDR: I agree!
@Treblaine
@Treblaine Год назад
I wonder if you looked through their internet history you'd find they were able to write long essays about subjects that interested them, what mattered to them and they were able to say what they really believed in and understood. Adults may be able to tie each other up in social conventions and good graces to at least say they believe it or even admit they should just go along with is but when it's all surface level and doesn't add up if you dig slightly below the surface then kids learn to not care.
@ColonelSandersLite
@ColonelSandersLite Год назад
@@kane-111I can say that your written english is pretty good. Just in case it isn't clear to you, or anybody really - There's a big difference between casual english, as it's actually used, and formal 'by the book' english. There's also some pretty big dialectical differences once you start getting into the weeds. Schools will always focus less on the practicalities of being understood in a language, but more on its formalities in some specific dialect.
@IsmaelSantos-xv9qf
@IsmaelSantos-xv9qf Год назад
@@TheImperatorKnight I literally learned English (I'm from Argentina) because I wanted to beat Resident Evil 2. I had an english copy of the game, at one point I got stuck and decided the clues must be on those files I kept collecting. So I grabbed an english tourist book I had at home, it was so old that one of the lessons had the example question: "Where is the public telegraph office?" Armed with that book and stubborn nerd determination I managed to beat the game. From that point I got an interest in english and learned on my own. By the time I reached Secondary School I was fluent in it, while my classmates were learning the basics. I learned how to make blueprints for a house by planning my house in minecraft. I learned to weld, to build walls and foundations by watching videos on YT and working as an aprentice. And to this day, I despise the education system. One time, when I was 13, I was another idiot who believed the solution to my country's problem was socialism. My history teacher stared at me with a horrified expression and said "you have no idea what you are talking about". I replied with the standard bs about "people being equal and no poverty". And she flat out told me: "Go to the cibercafe and read what socialism really is. I cannot teach you or your classmates here, the ministry of education does not want me to do so. Go and learn on your own." And so I did. And I learned. And thus I vowed to forever oppose that malignant scourge of humanity.
@wolfgang6517
@wolfgang6517 Год назад
I'm 21, I recently finish high school and I'm currently looking to get into University. You have no idea how much this subject bothers me. I have always been interested in History since a child and I have always looked into reading more and more about it. When I was in school, I can say with confidence that school teached me little to nothing. Our history books were shallow, with no depth and just meant to give us a *extremely basic* (if even that) "understanding" of the subject. For example when we were learning about WW2, the book only had 2 entire pages dedicated to it (btw, the History of 1920's painting took up an entire chapter). Those 2 pages were meant to teach us everything: from the causes to the aftermath and socio-political and economic impact of WW2. I constantly argued with my teacher (not in a bad faith way, I loved my History teacher and still do, we just argued bcs she had to follow what the book says and I often either disagreed or found it shallow to say the least). I kinda feel bad for her since her job was not to teach us the actual history, but making us memorize the content for the final exams. if she didnt, than she could be professionally hurt since, not following the curriculum could, and very likely, would end her career. Our future depended on those final exams. If we for example miss remember a date or a name, we would be penalized by up to 5 points (our exams grades go between 0-20). It didn't evaluate our understanding of History nor our perception, it was meant for us to simply spit out into the test what we memorized. Most of my class mates would spend hours memorizing names and dates to a excessive degree without ever really understanding why or how any of that mattered. I had colleagues who, even not understanding a drop of History, managed to score 20/20 in their exams bcs they memorized the right things (safe to say they would forget them not long after) while people like I, who took interest and deep dived into the subject, scored only up to 15-14 points. Our school system was not meant to teach us History, it was meant for us to memorize arbitrary things from the book, which would go on to define our future in university. Thanks to my History exam, my grade is of 15. I've been struggling to enter a good university for History since the average grade to enter the universities I want is 16. Most of my colleagues that had 20 cant even remember what the industrial revolution was or why WW1 started. I have to admit, Ive always felt some sort of "anguish" and resentment towards this. Interest and Study were actively punished while memorization for the sake of memorization were rewarded. If I memorized that 2 + 2 = 4 without ever understanding how to count, that doesn't make me actually good at math, yet that is how going through High School History felt like to me. Everyone had to memorized that 2 + 2 = 4 without ever actually learning how to properly count
@ac4694
@ac4694 Год назад
My friend was a student at some university in London (architecture) One failed subject got his graduation delayed for a year. He failed, because he discussed use of nazis bulding post war and how they view may change or somthing like that (dont remeber exactly) all because the lecturer disagreed. So yeah, if you think about engineering/law or other factual knowledge based faculty then sure, go for it. In other cases it might be only useful to start a job somewhere "because I study this field and I want to gain experience along" etc.
@klawlor3659
@klawlor3659 Год назад
Absolutely agree 100%. I would argue that it has been that way for a long time as well. Even when I was younger back in the 90s I realised how utterly ridiculous the education system was in the UK, with the emphasis on "cramming for exams", "memorizing dates/places/names/equations" and zero emphasis on understanding subjects. Most people have the ability to memorize dates and various pieces of info; however putting it into practice is a different story!
@tysonbiornstad2205
@tysonbiornstad2205 10 месяцев назад
When the state controls education, you learn what the state wants you to believe.
@pauldelaney5990
@pauldelaney5990 Месяц назад
It's the same the whole world over.
@rumrunner8019
@rumrunner8019 Год назад
Teachers, especially in the US, tend to have no idea what it is they are teaching and would be helpless without their teacher's editions. When I was a teenager in the 90s I had a history teacher try to say that the only country America gave political asylum to were Cubans. I said that wasn't true because I knew a Tibetan who lived in the US on political asylum. She got mad and I went and looked it up and bought a statement from the State Department to her that I printed from the Internet (no smartphones back then) She looked at it, glared at me...and sent me to detention. 😂😂😂
@billgill82
@billgill82 Год назад
The problem with secondary/high school history teachers in the US is they basically have a freshmen level of knowledge of history. Once they complete all the prerequisites and education [bs courses] they have very little room for an in depth study of history. I had a BA and MA in History [I never finished the PHD] and was teaching community college as an adjunct faculty member. I wanted something full time and was interested in coaching sports as well. I was not qualified to teach high school yet qualified to teach community college. So I had to go back for another year of school to get a teaching certificate consisting of a semester of education courses [which were a huge waste of time] and a semester of student teaching. I wrote an honors thesis and a master's thesis in history and the most your typical American high school teacher has done is maybe a 5 page paper [nowadays probably written by AI]. This is what you get with people not well versed in their subject, detention for a kids who has the temerity to show them they are wrong.
@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286
I had a history teacher tell me that there were no cities in the medieval period. She said that everyone always lived in Fiefs and that only after the black death did people begun to build cities. I can only assume she has never heard of Miklagard (old Norse for The Great City, referring to Constantinople, what is now called Istanbul.)
@BlackWolf9988
@BlackWolf9988 Год назад
Yeah thats the sad reality. Going through the school system has only taught me that 90% of teachers are not fit the job. Sadly there is only few teachers that actually care about their students and care about the topic they teach.
@hbalint1000
@hbalint1000 Год назад
@@billgill82 Jesus Christ, a master's thesis here in Hungary has to be at the very least 40 pages long, cited correctly and evaluated based on a defence the student has to prepare. And you have to get a master's degree in your subject to teach it at a high school. Not only that, but you need to go through 6 years of teacher training in order to get that degree, since teacher training is a separate program from the standard History BA and MA. I had courses during my BA that required 10 page research papers on all sorts of historical topics ranging from antiquity to the present day and those weren't even the most difficult courses. The main problem over here is that the pay is not equivalent to the qualifications you have to acquire in order to teach, so many teachers just go and work elsewhere. It seems like the US has the inverse problem: lax requirements with plenty of teachers but a lack of qualified ones.
@billgill82
@billgill82 Год назад
@@hbalint1000 My Master's thesis was 132 pages with documentation etc. In graduate school any graduate class required a 20-25 page paper and undergraduate classes as a grad student required roughly a 15 page paper. I think you misunderstood something, I did not need 6 years of teacher training, only 1 semester [roughly 4 months]. I hate to say this, but teachers are essentially born. You either have a gift for it or you do not. I had excellent professors in college and I had horrible professors in college. Sadly many of the horrible professors had credentials from prestigious universities. As for secondary and elementary education, there are a lot of incompetent teachers out there and unfortunately no amount of teacher training will make them a good teacher.
@JamesKmosko
@JamesKmosko Год назад
As someone who grew up homeschooled, this sounds like some kind of sick dystopia. I mean, I went to four years of college, but as a business student, I didn't really have to kiss up that much. This just sounds insane.
@NoahBodze
@NoahBodze Год назад
“Those who can’t do, teach” exists is the “harder” soft sciences, like economics, but it is the rule in liberal arts.
@buoazej
@buoazej Год назад
That's why home schooling in EU is basically banned now. Most recent examples are FR and DE. UK and Norway maybe allow some of it, don't know.
@muskett4108
@muskett4108 Год назад
My daughter had this in heaps at university. Most of her effort was getting the information to placate the lectururer's bias. She got her 1st. Her general views are quite different from the mainstream and that taught, having done her own in depth research and formulated her own opinions. Part of education is having one's opinions and recognising others. Argument for argument sake won't necessarily get what you need; choose your battles. She is now doing accountancy and smashing it. With her own wealth from her earnings, she can hold and argue her own views. Have them tested and argue them back. That is independence and true freedom. As a 12 year old play the game and win. As an adult then change the game, or at least try to.
@Saberjet1950
@Saberjet1950 Год назад
I have been kicked out of 2 history classes because of disagreements with my teacher/professor. I consider it a badge of honor. I did also once have a professor who actively encouraged disagreements with him if you could make a coherent evidence supported argument behind it.
@stevekern7235
@stevekern7235 Год назад
I was kicked out of class years ago for telling the teacher his lessons were boring!😂They don`t like that...
@scottmiller6958
@scottmiller6958 Год назад
I have a bachelor's degree in history and a post graduate degree. I agree with TIK 100% here. For my undergraduate history degree (1985), I had the good fortune of attending a conservative college with mostly good professors. For my post graduate degree I was taught by a collection of mostly buffoons who had zero experience in the real world. Within a year of working in the real world I started to shed the idiocy that my post-grad professors advocated and finally started to educate myself. At the end of the day, all education is self-education to one degree or another.
@istoppedcaring6209
@istoppedcaring6209 Год назад
true, I'm working at my bachelors now, got ADD and ASS and had no academic high school course so it has been an uphill battle despite being praised for inteligence and knowledge but I did the same thing, I even spent time in the Belgian archives reading trough court cases for other work and I found that national socialists were certainly not right wing, but even so i would retire the left right spectrum entirely, it says nothing concrete it's just tribalism
@DoctorMandible
@DoctorMandible Год назад
Same experience here
@mnk9073
@mnk9073 Год назад
@@istoppedcaring6209 Exactly, left-right is utterly inadequate to depict any ideology since the French revolution and mostly just used to define "we the good guys" and "them the bad guys" by all sides.
@overtheworl
@overtheworl Год назад
so. conservative = good professors. others = bafoons. there is nothing like a simple worldview, right?
@joshuabornographic
@joshuabornographic Год назад
I couldn't agree more. For anyone interested in retiring the left-right delusion, I would recommend _The Myth of Left and Right_ by Hyrum and Verlan Lewis. It's U.S.-centric, but hits on the key points and is a quick (100 pages) read.
@CA999
@CA999 Год назад
Agreed. No point arguing with corrupt, mediocre and immature people. Trying to be truthful is too confronting in many situations. It is hard to teach a 13 yo "instinct" to detect this though.
@thegreatermysteries4134
@thegreatermysteries4134 Год назад
The 'instinct' mentioned here is sometimes referred to 'discernment,' and though it can be challenging to teach to others, it is in someways the best chance people have to move in a more healthy and beneficial direction.
@bren42069
@bren42069 Год назад
She just needs to wait until she turns 14 and becomes older than them, then she will be able to notice more easily
@stefannicholson852
@stefannicholson852 Год назад
As a history teacher, I can definitely state that TIK is right. I have gotten into trouble for teaching things that are not in the curriculum. But I will continue to teach kids how to think and not what to think.
@stefannicholson852
@stefannicholson852 Год назад
@DeReAntiqua my main emphasis has always been on making the children think for themselves. I stated that clearly in my comment. Teaching things that are not in the curriculum doesn't mean that I indoctrinate the kids. That's quite an accusation to level at someone you have never met.
@stefannicholson852
@stefannicholson852 Год назад
@DeReAntiqua I believe you are mistaken. You are taking quite a few liberties with your interpretation of my comment. But for the sake of being fair, I state that my comment is open to such an interpretation. Let me therefore put my comment into perspective. My comment is made up of two parts. The first which states that I have gotten into trouble for teaching things that have not been in the syllabus. That doesn't mean that what I have taught necessarily always contradicts the syllabus. The second comment is more of a statement. Here I am just stating that I try to teach the children how to think and not what they have to think. I try to the best of my ability to motivate my pupils to look at sources and to make up their own minds. When they argue a point, they need to be willing to accept criticism and accept the logical conclusions of their own arguments. That's all from my side. Have a nice day.
@stefannicholson852
@stefannicholson852 Год назад
😂 you apparently have a very difficult time accepting the simplest of explanations. You have issues. Deal with it yourself.
@anotherbacklog
@anotherbacklog Год назад
Good teachers are rare, that’s why dead poets society hits hard.
@JamesL42
@JamesL42 Год назад
I love this from you "You cannot convert someone to a different faith, they will come to that conclusion themselves". Absolute truth right there.
@shdwbnndbyyt
@shdwbnndbyyt Год назад
My family has had to do that since the 1960's... my cousin especially. Her father told her, you know that it is not true, I know it and many of the teachers know it too... but they are REQUIRED to teach the lies, so give them what they want and keep the truth for those who will listen.
@shdwbnndbyyt
@shdwbnndbyyt Год назад
Mind you we read old encylopedias... old books, so we ofetn were exposed to radically different viewpoints and "Narratives" that the 1960's and onwards viewpoints and "Narratives".
@ianbirge8269
@ianbirge8269 Год назад
I gladly took the C in history for arguing with my "teacher" lol This "teacher" often lamented that no one would address her by her proper title of "Doctor", also believed strongly in social justice and the like so yeah you can imagine what we argued about.
@appropriate-channelname3049
omg those people are the worst. I never can stand when a person with a doctorate is a stickler about being referred to as a doctor. That how I know there a hack who just want to lord their academic credentials over others.
@yolanda8563
@yolanda8563 Год назад
This is true even within "artistic" subjects, when I was in secondary school the teacher wouldn't allow me my own artistic interpretation of the subject matter even though it's art a subjective topic... you're there to remember and regurgitate unfortunately... that's why so many kids become disenchanted with education.
@Simte
@Simte Год назад
That's why many of us teachers are woking hard trying to critique and change the education system but one can go so far against policies established by higher powers. I still retain my hope in humanity for the most part and truly hope people get to learn using critical thinking skills no matter what the curriculum says.
@AwesomeIan135
@AwesomeIan135 Год назад
This is exactly why I still showed a lot of respect towards my teachers, I understood they weren't in a position where they could change much of the curriculum. I did have some really good teachers, especially for honors classes, that would try and teach useful things during any spare time. My AP Gov teacher, for example, also taught us personal finance skills a few days a month. I also really enjoyed sitting in teachers' rooms during lunch so we could talk without concern for the curriculum.
@mickymondo7463
@mickymondo7463 Год назад
"Many of us teachers are woking hard", well there's a Freudian slip if ever I read one! Sadly woke teachers are the main problem in the education system. I quit my career in further education because although I loved teaching my subject and was passionate about teaching to my students, the garbage political interference was killing it. Schools turning out barely literate and numerate kids who have been told they can be anything they wish to be regardless of ability or aptitude, failing technical courses because they haven't been given the skills they need in school. Colleges more interested in numbers and retention rates than actually equiping students with the skills they have signed up to obtain. Generations of kids failed by an education system that lies to them throughout their childhood, then foists insane levels of debt onto them as they enter adult life, for meaningless qualifications that have been devalued over the last 40 or more years in order to get more bums on seats and cash in the banks.
@Simte
@Simte Год назад
@@mickymondo7463 Interesting, I agree with some things you have stated but I have to say that with planning and researching you can circumvent many issues with curriculum design or instruction given to you. However, my experience is based in progress done in my country which is in development and in some degree values contributions towards a better implementation of the system. I thought of quitting because my efforts seemed futile and the wages are absolutely atrocious, but I decided to try to changes paradigms as long as I could because if not for me who would.
@Simte
@Simte Год назад
@@AwesomeIan135 Believe me when I say we need students like you, active thinkers who are willing to build their own knowledge. I try to plan keeping in mind usefulness in my subjects, after all, that vision of schooling in service of grading seems so archaic to me.
@556deltawolf
@556deltawolf Год назад
I used to get in trouble all the time with my teachers for speaking up against them.
@snozzlehead92
@snozzlehead92 Год назад
We need rebels more than ever. Never be just another cog in the wheel.
@chrissempek3952
@chrissempek3952 Год назад
My brother summed it up as it's better to run a fast food place from age 19-50...retire and learn what you want..University in the States is a debt racket, unless you choose Medicine, Law, Engineering...education is an oxymoron. Good job TIK!
@edvin884
@edvin884 Год назад
My daughter is a fanatic fan of greek mythology. So one day she corrected the teacher that was talking about the said topic, about the birth of democracy, political systems.... He sent her to the principal. I told her the same as you said in the video. Do what they want you to do, and get the grades. (But I am so proud of her)
@danpatb
@danpatb Год назад
Love this. I went through 4 years of undergrad - then three years of law school. After one year as a lawyer, realized I had wasted 7 years. Not really wasted as I would not have been admitted into the "club" without the piece of paper that attested to my qualification. I actually remember a Constitutional Law test when I opted to echo the opinions of the professor - rather than express my real thoughts. I aced the exam - but have always felt a bit ... dirty. I'm over it, but - if you;re in it for the money - the ROI on advanced education in the US is terrible. Better take up poker. That not to say having an avocation to learn is wrong. Just the opposite. Even at 70 years old I continue to explore things that interest me - and will continue to do so.
@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286
I really don't want to go to school. I have big aspirations, but I fear going back to academia. The damage it does to your brain is palpable.
@allanfifield8256
@allanfifield8256 Год назад
"the ROI on advanced education in the US is terrible." When something becomes free and common, it looses value. This link is beyond half the population.
@MrMorvana
@MrMorvana Год назад
As a French I don't have the same experience with my studies, but I will still give my opinion. In school you learn the "truth" about history, the one commonly accepted, which is probably even more important than what really happenned because it's this "truth" which forge our world. Every teacher know the reality wasn't as clear, as black and white as what he is teaching and they often say it. In France it's very appreciated when student think for themselves (mainly because so many just don't think at all), but your teacher is still here to put grades, so if he think your convictions are false or worse, close to a conspiracy theory, you will have problems. With 99% of the teachers you can talk about any history subject, but like Tik said if it becomes an oposition of belief you lose. Show that you know the "truth" you need to learn and than say that recently some "historians" have an other vision of that because... . Like that it's an oposition between the teacher and some "historians", which is not false, it would be absurde to take a definitive stance about a topic you don't compeltly understand.
@lowlandnobleman6746
@lowlandnobleman6746 Год назад
Here in South Carolina, a similar problem exists. Though I’ve noticed it was mostly in the humanities where this problem was present. You really do have to be cognizant of the biases of the teacher when you’re in an English class, for instance. The history classes are ironically not as bad in that regard. I spoke with my history teacher about some inaccurate information he had relayed. We spoke politely about it after class. He had said something about the weight of European and Japanese swords, and I humbly corrected him. That history teacher with a doctorate’s degree was open minded and receptive, but some English teachers strike me as being a bit more rigid at times.
@MrCadet08
@MrCadet08 Год назад
Who was your teacher? What was his name and which district were you in?
@alejandrobetancourt8123
@alejandrobetancourt8123 Год назад
Uhh ohh here comes moms4liberty
@boobah5643
@boobah5643 Год назад
It makes a difference, too, that you're not discussing it in front of the whole class, because class room politics (especially power dynamics) comes into play then. Even relatively good teachers are more likely to dig in their heels when challenged in front of the whole class... and to a degree, it's justified since their evaluations are based more on students passing exams and earning accreditation than it is on being 'correct.'
@thomashynd2291
@thomashynd2291 Год назад
You said that if people have a belief, no amount of fact and reason will change their mind. This reminds me of a time when I was sat in a pub and got chatting to some guy. I told him I was a metalsmith in the REME at the rank of sergeant. He told me he could get a job earning x amount (I can't remember how much he said.) I said no thanks as it was about 10k less than I was on. He told me in no uncertain terms soldiers didn't get paid that much. No amount of me saying I should know how much I earned would convince him.
@TheImperatorKnight
@TheImperatorKnight Год назад
That's a good example! I think part of it is people being unwilling to consider the possibility that they might be wrong, as their self-worth is based on the idea that they're always correct, which is probably the result of the way our "education" system praises those who never make mistakes.
@jamesmichael3609
@jamesmichael3609 Год назад
As an American Secondary Teachers I had to correct my children's primary teachers multIple times. I was told to stop interfering. I don't know the situation in Britain, but on this side of the pond only lower caliber people teach elementary level.
@RedactedBrainwaves
@RedactedBrainwaves Год назад
Unfortunately, there can't be much "debating the truth" with people who have the power to punish you. Edit: there is an argument to be made especially when you are an adult in college about utterly humiliating your professors in class (if you are really good, if you are not then don't even try) where they are so intimidated they might actually not mess with you. That's something to be done by top 1% of students who really know what they are talking about and are able to refute any counter-argument.
@bobmalooga7249
@bobmalooga7249 Год назад
"refute" You silly boy! Now, to the back of the class with you or it's dt. lol
@charleshill1906
@charleshill1906 Год назад
I had that situation in my college. I was 1 failure away from being expelled (3 strike rule) and they sent me a letter notifying me then one of the dean's sent me a letter. I wrote him back, emailed him every day and was at his office every morning making my case and ripping into the way the course was laid out. I managed to pass the rest of my classes but I got a special consideration for the one I had failed twice in a row because of the way the final exam was handled and got my degree. Leftists are constantly doing this. Why do we need to just go along with their crap? Push back. Become a problem for them.
@loh1945
@loh1945 Год назад
I have fond memories about outmaneuvering a college professors over Cleopatra years ago… showed the coinage, the surviving artistic depictions from around her era. He just doubled down, and I went on a scorched earth campaign. The class was entirely online, and had almost no interactive elements. When he refused to debate on the merits, I started replying to every single one of his comments, trying to nitpick and so on. I had access to multiple different translations of the handful of primary sources left about the Roman era. He would try to claim translation issues as an excuse to deflect my corrections, but he would not be able to provide any concrete errors on my part. In the end, I left the class with no penalty and I got to do an independent study. Alternatively, there were some absolutely great professors who appreciated enthusiasm in a subject area, such as my astronomy professor. His multiple choice exams had a couple places where multiple answers were correct (on measuring Star/galaxy distances). Once I explained my rationale he gave me full credit. Good times.
@RedactedBrainwaves
@RedactedBrainwaves Год назад
@@bobmalooga7249 oops
@Zzrik
@Zzrik Год назад
This makes me think of a qoute from the series Chernobyl where Valery legasov talks about the cost of truth and the cost of lies. He also at one point mentions that the truth doesn't care about politics or religion etc and it will always be there, its also worth mentioning that the harder and more you search for the truth the more you will learn that there are lots of people who dosent want you to know the truth. I think our society would be better if the future generations where encouraged to engaged in debates, think for themselves and think critical instead of going to school just to be told what to think etc.
@toddroper7944
@toddroper7944 Год назад
My dad told me something similar when I was in school. We would discuss what was fact and what was fiction but he always told me to just tell them what they want to hear because they don't care about the truth. Using a Prussian Model school should tell people our education systems are not for the betterment of the population but we sit here 20+ years after I dropped out having the same conversations. Humanity is doomed.
@sullathehutt7720
@sullathehutt7720 Год назад
This is why we need wars, famines, plagues, etc every now and again to remind people why objectivity is important. You don't get to pass those tests using dishonesty and sophistry. To "pass" is to live, and to "fail" is to die. The physics and biology of the tests themselves will enforce honesty on your civilization and keep it objective.
@royale7620
@royale7620 Год назад
That's what Jordan Peterson said, the US school system is Prussian based, you dont get to ask any questions and just obey.
@purplefood1
@purplefood1 Год назад
@@royale7620 Jordan Peterson says a lot of things
@royale7620
@royale7620 Год назад
@@purplefood1 No shit?
@chrigaud
@chrigaud Год назад
@@purplefood1 and quite smart things
@ShmooZeroOmega
@ShmooZeroOmega Год назад
Not sure if I agree, totally. Yeah, in some cases you have to go along with it. But even if you don’t convince the people you’re arguing with, the spectators may listen to you and start to question what they’ve been told. Heck, even if the person you’re arguing with resists violently, the mere fact that you’ve given them any resistance may shake something deep within them, even if they don’t show it outwardly.
@kyleirwin5796
@kyleirwin5796 Год назад
It's amazing how correct you are about the educational system. "Put your kids in school and go to work. We will teach them everything they need to know." Time to wake up people. My wife is Russian, her mother grew up in the Soviet Union, she was dropped off on Monday and picked up on Saturday. All free of course, wow what a utopia.
@Plaprad
@Plaprad Год назад
I remember in elementary school we were going over WWII, namely the Pacific theater... For all of an hour. My teacher went up front and pulled down that massive map of the world (Yes, I'm that old) and started talking. She showed us Japan and Hawaii on the map and "How close they really are". She then pointed out Tokyo and started telling us about how early morning on December 7th, 1941, hundreds of Japanese aircraft took off from Tokyo, flew across the Pacific, bombed Pearl Harbor, then flew back to Tokyo. I raised my hand and mentioned that I had a book on WWII that said the attack was launched from carriers just off Hawaii because no aircraft could fly that far. Her response was that there were no carriers in WWII, because carriers are nuclear powered and there was no nuclear power then. And that the Japanese used in flight refueling just like we do today. I was then berated for thinking I know more than a teacher and I should learn to read more. After that, I went home and found my grandfather on the couch watching TV. So... I asked him a simple question. "When you served on the Alabama, how many carriers did you see in the war?" He started listing off all the carriers he saw, escorting Enterprise, seeing his first Essex Class, and later seeing the entire ocean covered in flattops far as the eye can see. Then asked me why I was asking. I explained. The next morning, on my way out the door he handed me a sealed envelope for my teacher. I handed it to her, and at the end of the day got another sealed envelope for my parents. Next thing I know, I'm in the office waiting on my Grandparents, teacher, and principal to finish a meeting. I'll never forget when that door opened up. My teacher and principal were solid red in the face and obviously furious, my grandmother was basically just doing damage control, and my grandfather walked out of there with the biggest smile I've ever seen on that mans face. Then, he took me out for ice cream and went to a bookstore. He bought me a book on American carriers in WWII and suggested I read it when I have free time in class. The man never told me what to think, but definitely taught me how to learn and research... and how to be a petty little shit when the need arose.
@allanfifield8256
@allanfifield8256 Год назад
So that's how they did it! LoL. I wonder were they ever got that idea from?
@alejandrobetancourt8123
@alejandrobetancourt8123 Год назад
Yeah there’s no way this ever happened
@Plaprad
@Plaprad Год назад
@@alejandrobetancourt8123 IF that's how you feel.
@deutschesvaterlandfankanal
@deutschesvaterlandfankanal Год назад
​@@alejandrobetancourt8123commiecope,the japs needlessly ruined philippines
@signorasforza354
@signorasforza354 2 месяца назад
Your grandpa is awesome.
@grandadmiralzaarin4962
@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Год назад
I have had this issue most of my life. It is always disheartening to just have to 'agree' to get something done, when something is wrong. Our entire educational system is not to produce thinkers, it is to punish thinkers and instill compliance.
@unlearningcommunism4742
@unlearningcommunism4742 Год назад
My only way of coping with that is that I should not be helping the company that has fundamentaly wrong values. I don't find it moral (anymore) to keep saving them from making mistakes.
@BlackWolf9988
@BlackWolf9988 Год назад
School is mostly there to teach the population to become workers and soldiers. Only few elite schools teach how to be a leader.
@Dark_Lord_Mr_B
@Dark_Lord_Mr_B Год назад
I'm working towards being a history teacher myself. I have to say that my policy, so far, is that if the student can make the argument convincingly enough then they'd get a fairly good mark from me. If the point is particularly interesting, then I am likely to look more into it and purchase my own copies of sources to confirm the context. After that, I might integrate it into my teaching. All the slides I use to teach have a reference list at the end for that reason as I am certain that one day a parent is likely to come knocking to find out where I get my info from. I hope that whatever school I settle into will also allow me to post my slides since I generally don't mind sharing what resources I have available. Especially if it means that the kids won't just take my word for it and will engage in their own fact checking where possible.
@rolisreefranch
@rolisreefranch Год назад
Good luck if you teach in a blue district
@peted2770
@peted2770 Год назад
You don't provide the curriculum, you "teach" the curriculum that is provided to you. I think that you need to actually look at what being a "teacher" is and then decide if it is what you really want.
@Dark_Lord_Mr_B
@Dark_Lord_Mr_B Год назад
@@holdfast5332 because we are assessing the skills used, not the argument being made.
@Dark_Lord_Mr_B
@Dark_Lord_Mr_B Год назад
@@rolisreefranchWhole different country and whole different system.
@anomietoponymie2140
@anomietoponymie2140 9 месяцев назад
I always taught that way too, Dark Lord, out of basic respect for my students and general curiosity about everything but I never taught in the Unites States and have been retired for about 15 years.
@jeffape63
@jeffape63 4 месяца назад
That was a painful lesson I learned in 10th grade. I took a zero for the first six weeks in a history class. Refused to cooperate with biased propaganda. Was standing up for truth, fairness, etc. But I was banging my head into a brick wall. Had a meeting with my parents and the principal, etc. That was in the early 80s. Things are much worse for kids now. Back then teachers had to at least pretend to be teaching the truth. Nowadays it's overt propagandizing. As an afterword, once we got past the teacher's pet project, I finished the year with the highest grade in the class. Tough lesson learned. Was always proud of myself for standing for truth and unbiased teaching.
@user-zy1oh8jk7j
@user-zy1oh8jk7j Год назад
You're 1000% correct. It's the saddest thing but it was even true in America over 40 years ago. "Intellectuals" have had extreme difficulty admitting that they aren't the authorities that they think they are as long as I can remember.
@snozzlehead92
@snozzlehead92 Год назад
Feeding a Marxist monster will only make it stronger. Always, always, ALWAYS throw resistance in their way. Otherwise, you are just another cog in the wheel, a "useful idiot" helping the Marxists solidify their foothold.
@brucermarino
@brucermarino Год назад
I'm agreed, as a professor, that most education is about state indoctrination and that keeping that end goal in mind and giving them the answers they want so you can change the system later is an important strategy. Another option, in some circumstances is to state , this is what the curriculum says and then add this is a competing view, or something similar. Thanks again TIK for great work! 💯!
@jwadaow
@jwadaow Год назад
As long as you demonstrate understanding and consiliance of the indoctrinated position then you should get the grade?!
@charleshill1906
@charleshill1906 Год назад
Giving into the system so you can change the system from within is a losing strategy every time. Where in history has this ever happened where someone just did everything they were told and eventually ended up flipping the entire system. Ludicrous thinking.
@brucermarino
@brucermarino Год назад
@@charleshill1906Agreed, my friend. That's why I'm suggesting infiltration and subversion to the good!
@allanfifield8256
@allanfifield8256 Год назад
@@charleshill1906 When you get out of school, you can tilt at windmills all you want. It's much easier to battle windmills if you are employable.
@charleshill1906
@charleshill1906 Год назад
@@allanfifield8256 Again, where in history has that ever been a winning strategy?
@alexanderrajcevski1329
@alexanderrajcevski1329 Год назад
I have had conversations with my AP US history teacher, I’ve always been scared on sharing opinions on many issues, he even told me that he agrees with some things I said with how it’s no longer about fact or truth it’s all about a set of core things that the teacher wants you to learn. Political issues have infested much in America and it’s destroying my generation of kids and they are more interested in indoctrination and falsehoods to give them the ability to call you whatever they want if you don’t agree. I spoke at my state capital about this issue with my brother and hundreds appreciated how we still work in school and do good, but also speaking up about issues that are going to negatively affect education especially in America. Nice video good sir! 🎉
@mkzhero
@mkzhero Год назад
Its not just the education system being trash, its also the power and authority those people get and how drunk it gets them with it. Still remember my first chemistry/science teacher woman (in her 40's) in high school throwing a hissy fit after she said "Minus thousand Celsius" and me correcting her that the minimal temperature is -273c... She was extremely toxic and vile about it and the worst part is that she got the class laughing at me instead because they didn't know better and just go with the authority
@IcePea379
@IcePea379 Год назад
this is so relatable, i am 15 and have the same problem since i was like 12. trying to prove the flaws of the edu system to adults or even classmates even, is so impossible and they are so engraved with the idea to have the most meaningless, benial existence ever!
@neilreynolds3858
@neilreynolds3858 Год назад
They've started brain-washing students earlier and earlier. Adults are impervious to anything that won't contribute to your popularity. People of any age that ask good questions are not one of the groups that will be popular: Questioning assumptions is disruptive.
@IcePea379
@IcePea379 Год назад
@@neilreynolds3858 thats true, i was never "popular"
@JoBlakeLisbon
@JoBlakeLisbon Год назад
Sister, learn to spell before you critique the education system.
@NoahBodze
@NoahBodze Год назад
That way the fools in charge won’t listen? Your generation is voting for that in their government. You’re getting a micro-glimpse at what living under totalitarian rule was like. Hopeless.
@trstenik100
@trstenik100 Год назад
As someone also born in a socialist country (communist Yugoslavia), I also had to lie to teachers. Especially in classes such as TIPS and MISS, Theory and Praxis of Socialism and Marxism and Socialist Self-governance.
@issintf925
@issintf925 Год назад
Based 13 year old. I hope public education doesnt beat her down
@M30W3R
@M30W3R Год назад
I want to say this, as candidly as possible and as someone who not only was top of the class for most of my academic career, but even went on to aide in the publication of a scientific paper: it really just is exactly what TIK is saying. Most teachers just want to hear exactly what they think, what the curriculum tells them they must think or what seems close-enough to "common knowledge". In fact, I have only ever flunked classes where the teachers themselves were purposefully harder to figure out. It's not even their fault, they are just trained like that and even when well-intentioned, they won't stray too far away from what they've been told to acknowledge as acceptable opinions.
@eb7358
@eb7358 11 месяцев назад
Good point, I realized this in college and received all A grades. In high school I was getting C and D grades as I kept asking logical questions and seeking truth. SMH
@magos-leviathan
@magos-leviathan Год назад
I'm in my sophmore year of college and I hate how true this is. Unfortunately with how politically driven many professors are in the United States my hand is forced to take a ignorant stance to much of history just for a better grade. Most egregious is the exams for the history classes I've taken. I had the same professor who was thoroughly anti-west, which came through in every assignment I had to do. It's so hard to fathom that a professor is just allowed to interject their political views in lectures, especially when I am paying to be taught facts and not opinions. Love your channel by the way. I've had a great passion for history ever since I was young and your videos have been a godsend.
@mrmongolianemperor5063
@mrmongolianemperor5063 Год назад
Based tikhistory
@openeroftheway8596
@openeroftheway8596 Год назад
But is this really the case? Yes. Yes it is.
@Aditya-pq8mi
@Aditya-pq8mi Год назад
​@bartleybutsford7259Not really, he gave practical advice
@openeroftheway8596
@openeroftheway8596 Год назад
@bartleybutsford7259 Yes, for the purpose of getting out of the system. If the parent would remove the child from the system and home school that would be much better. But in many places that is illegal. It's not conformity, it is strategic choice taking. But if you want to fight the system from within, go for it.
@realMaverickBuckley
@realMaverickBuckley Год назад
​@bartleybutsford7259Is he? Or is he essentially saying , no one cares what kids think, but if you don't manage to actually get into the regime, you CANNOT change it.
@botanozsan7843
@botanozsan7843 Год назад
You are absolutely right. Humans should play the game by the rules of the Matrix until they have so much power that they are able to change something. If you fight too early or in the wrong situation, you will be stopped immediately in the most cruel "democratic" way.
@scottlindsly
@scottlindsly Год назад
💯 Spot-on! I learned this lesson, much to my dismay & frustration, the hard way in undergrad 30 years ago, pursuing worthless liberal arts degrees. So glad my daughter went into science (to become a Vet) instead, but had to give her this very lecture when she was having to take useless LA courses at the start. Wise words you’ve given here! 🎯
@mark12strang58
@mark12strang58 Год назад
Moral of the story, if your teacher says, 2 and 2 are 5 dont argue with him. It is useless
@HansHaumichblau
@HansHaumichblau Год назад
that's the wisest talk I've heard in a long time. I wish everyone entering school would hear this.
@classicalextremism
@classicalextremism Год назад
I would instead say to have the right people fight the fight. In this case, the parents need to be getting involved and taking it to the school board or council or such. Still will be a loss, but if people en masse just adopt a "roll-over" mentality because fighting the system is pointless then we are doomed to serfdom.
@deutschesvaterlandfankanal
@deutschesvaterlandfankanal Год назад
The american conservatives are already doing exactly that
@Francois15031967
@Francois15031967 Год назад
This applies everywhere, any time in life.
@jarvy251
@jarvy251 Год назад
I remember an acquaintance of mine who was a TA, complaining while grading papers. "They're just telling me what I want to hear!" I didn't have the heart to explain to him that, yeah, it's because that totally works 99% of the time. If anything, I was surprised he didn't already know. I thought everyone reached that conclusion themselves sometime around early high school. Him down-grading a few papers won't inspire some sort of burst of intellectual rigor- because that's not going to get them anywhere, and they know it. The students will grumble "ah, this guy doesn't know the game, that's annoying" and just keep doing it.
@Lonovavir
@Lonovavir Год назад
Kind of reminds me of the old saying in the Soviet Union, they pay us to pretend to work and they pretend to notice us not working.
@Jack-xy4fy
@Jack-xy4fy Год назад
To the girl with the question. The best way to fight this is to bite your lip while you are in school, then become a historian or teacher and fight them from a position where you can make a difference.
@vagnerwanilla785
@vagnerwanilla785 2 месяца назад
If people with the right opinions don't make their ways into the top, the top will be filled with the fools. And you are completely right.
@TheKenthor
@TheKenthor Год назад
This is tragically good advice.
@billgill82
@billgill82 Год назад
Hello Tik, I am a history/economics teacher who for a long time has explained the socialist/left wing side side of Nazism. I have my Master of Arts degree in History from a Big Ten University and even in the 1980s I learned very quickly that you give a professor what they want to hear. I can say there were a few professors who held an open mind to ideas and even challenged you to think outside the box, But more often than not, it seemed like many lived inside their own box and could not stand their views being challenged. I cannot imagine what it is like on a college campus today, but based on what I witness online and what I see coming out of the universities and into the teaching profession I believe it is more indoctrination than education. We all have bias, but we should at least try to be objective in our analysis of the facts. Sadly rational thought has given way to emotion in academia and it filters down to the secondary and elementary levels.
@HikariKobayashi
@HikariKobayashi Год назад
The longer I watch whats happening to history, I realize how blessed I was to have one professor in particular in college. One of our exercises was to find the truth in a particular event (I think it was the Boston Massacre). We split into four groups, got the exact same evidence, and not one group came up with the same conclusion. This trend continued in every class, where he looked at the arguments and evidence we had, then graded us on that instead of us getting the correct answer. He also acted as devil's advocate a lot to get us looking for contradictory data. Such a good prof. I do have to dispute your assertion that graduating from school is supposed to lead to a career. This might be true for public school, but I don't think it is for university. Instead, I believe it's now being used to create an army of unthinking drones who'll never dispute daddy government.
@Flyingcircustailwheel
@Flyingcircustailwheel Год назад
You described my entire experience throughout schooling. I had one history teacher who actually took interest in my opinions and loved debating me. I definitely miss his guidance.
@benz.
@benz. Год назад
As sad as it is to say, this is true. Your mark of success in education is judged through their criteria. Argue against it and get failed, or conform and succeed. It's a terrible place to be, but it's not worth jeopardising your 'education' for small victories.
@charleshill1906
@charleshill1906 Год назад
The grade you have on a paper doesn't translate to anything in life that is outside of academia. Nobody cares if you're just barely got your diploma in the trades or were a valedictorian when you work in a regular minimum wage 9-5 job. And even then, unless you're trying to go for some semi-political angle where your accomplishments can be used as a form of currency or notoriety, the vast majority of the worlds career choices are merit based where it really matters. So going along to get along is asinine. If you really want to do that, then do an online college to get a simple degree so you can avoid the indoctrination of college professors and the peer pressure from college campus to conform.
@snozzlehead92
@snozzlehead92 Год назад
People hold a formal high school education in way too high a regard. Fuck the piece of paper. ALWAYS speak the truth and if the consequences of doing so drive you toward self-employment, decentralization, and entrepreneurship, then all the better. And the bonus? You won't have sold your soul to the Marxists or betrayed your own principles to get there (even if you do betray your Principal).
@washingtonradio
@washingtonradio Год назад
Having STEM degrees, I barely worked in my field during my career but worked in related fields and now am a computer programmer (no degree in Computer Science).
@RweebRommel
@RweebRommel Год назад
I think that I'm one of the luckier people here with my history education - well, high school history education to be exact. I had the luck and privilege of being taught by a wonderful woman who knew very well what she was doing. We went really in-depth into the actual ideologies and political doctrines of all of the major dictators. Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao, the only reason why we didn't do Franco was because of covid that basically flipped the timetable on its head. She made little challenges for us to read various sources on the same event and then point out their flaws and weaknesses. Yes it was sort of regimented, but it was better than nothing - it did wonders to teach me to think critically. This was coincidentally at a time when I discovered you, TIK, and while I wasn't as interested in the political and economical side of things at the time as I am now, your 'non-mainstream' takes on the wider WW2 narrative made me eager to share my discoveries with others. Surprisingly my teacher was not as opposed to it as I would have expected. We even did 'mini Oxford-style debates' to train our ability to learn and present arguments. Then again, I will be the first to admit that I'm a privileged c**t and I am well aware of that. The school my parents sent me was an IB school, an expensive one at that, so I guess that may be one of the reasons for the more relaxed attitude to debate and discussion. That and in the country where I'm from (Poland) we have painful memories with both what the mainstream considers the 'extreme left' and the 'extreme right' so we don't have as much stigma about debating the nature of evil of these ideologies. There's always a limit to the teacher's tolerance of course, and this is my personal experience which will never be a good indicator of how this is for the rest. So to give my personal comment on this matter - if you have been blessed with an educator or a school environment that is more open to a debate than the usual standard, treasure it! Don't push it too far (they have their own beliefs and their curriculum that they need to fulfill), but go as far as they allow you to. If not, then do as TIK says - fake it, parrot what they say (that's what I did at university before dropping out recently to go to work). Educate yourself behind the scenes and remain critical thinking. As always, thanks for what you're doing, TIK. Keep up the good fight.
@RAF-FIG
@RAF-FIG 11 месяцев назад
Finally,. some besides me thinks the same way I did 50 years ago. I did not make the mistake of putting myself in debt for college education. TIK you are correct on the self education , self discipline & most of of all, good parenting of common sense along with street smart. Its very important to promote an education system that promotes teaching the FACTs. Currently now, it not happening with the education today. It is all about keeping the ED system alive & creating a jobs fair for employment.. I love the videos & this was a great editorial on what you said,.......
@TheImperatorKnight
@TheImperatorKnight 11 месяцев назад
Thanks! I'd say, if you enjoyed this, you should check out Aaron Clarey here on RU-vid because he's got numerous videos on this subject, and I think you'll find him entertaining to say the least
@VerilyViscous
@VerilyViscous Год назад
I completely agree. In 11th or 12th grade (16-18 years old), I realized that my entire time in government schools was training me to be good at being in government schools. I was great at taking tests, that's it. In my first year of college, I learned about Horace Mann, whose grave I one day want to piss on. He introduced the Prussian school system to the United States, and school has gone downhill ever since. The Prussian school system, in short, was designed to create good soldiers and the teachers were officers in the army. I do recommend everyone from the US to learn about Horace Mann, and everyone in general to read up on the Prussian school system. It explains quite a lot about how and why government school work the way they do.
@Lonovavir
@Lonovavir Год назад
Basically memorize information, get an A, forget information , rinse and repeat until you graduate and get a job where you never think for yourself or challenge authority.
@Pinsk4111
@Pinsk4111 Год назад
as a mid school teacher, you're completely right
@DjDeadpig
@DjDeadpig Год назад
Kinda sucks that you’re one of the few teacher like figures I have that is unbiased unlike the many history teachers (not just my own) who blatantly believe in the Hitler=Conservative myth/conspiracy.
@Langharig_Tuig
@Langharig_Tuig Год назад
Heya, as a teacher I want to stand up for at least myself and some other teachers! There's a lot of teachers that meet the description you give, but also a lot of teachers are the opposite and genuinely care about the education of students and not their grades... Oddly enough there seems to be not really an inbetween group though.
@aktuellyattee8265
@aktuellyattee8265 6 месяцев назад
It's important to know what to say but it's also important to know why you should say it.
@MrWojtek5
@MrWojtek5 Год назад
It's really sad how in this day and age going to school is not about learning, and it's just made to create a loyal citizens who don't think/debate about the reality that they live in
@philozoraptor6808
@philozoraptor6808 Год назад
I have just recently spoke to an Englishman who is into medieval history. He has told me that children in British schools are not learning about 100 years’ war because it is politically incorrect and they cannot say that British fought against the Germans in WW2, they must say it was against nazis!!! They just go from 1066 to Tudors. That is bizarre to me. As Central (Eastern) European we were actually learning about general history of Europe including 100 years’ war, Joan of Arc, Crecy, Agincourt etc.
@pilipala4003
@pilipala4003 Год назад
I did medieval history in school in late 90s early 2000s in Wales, we also did the peasants Revolt, magna Carta and a shit load of other crap I can't remember, I have a history degree too so I'm actually still reading history and I can tell you why they don't teach it anymore, apart from me the entire class didn't listen and was bored beyond reason. My friends to this day ask me what we learned in school because they can't remember apart from the tudors and nazis and the world wars and they think that's all we were taught for 5 years. I don't think they could tell you a genuine historical fact I haven't told them over the years, they were so bored with how it was taught.
@johanjonsson6504
@johanjonsson6504 Год назад
As a teacher of history and English, I am always open to learn more. I encourage my students to do the same.
@Fatherofheroesandheroines
@Fatherofheroesandheroines Год назад
I wish I could agree with you. I think that we MUST make sure that children get taught the correct information on history. Which is why my kids are getting homeschooled.
@tstodgell
@tstodgell Год назад
And what are the odds that you're a creationist or a fascist?
@Belisarius1967
@Belisarius1967 Год назад
Wow. Someone expresses an opinion you don't like. So instead of debating with logic and facts you call them nasty names. I bet in your own head you're a genius.
@milkygodric539
@milkygodric539 Год назад
@@tstodgell Get bent commie
@djmasterspanks3172
@djmasterspanks3172 Год назад
Doing an a level in history and my two Labour Party member teachers explaining that the Nazis weren’t socialist because they privatised the banks was hard to sit through
@liberality
@liberality Год назад
If you lived in Germany at that time you could own a company such as a bank, if you had the right politics and ancestry, but you still had to take direction from the state. Friedrich Pollock called it "the destruction of all the essential traits of private ownership, saving one exception", i.e. your name on the company paperwork. It sounds like your teachers were involved in cherry-picking, and did not bother to research national socialism at all.
@lordcutlerbeckett58
@lordcutlerbeckett58 Год назад
I was lucky enough to be able to talk on the topic of the political spectrum with a number of teachers outside of curriculum based lessons. Fortunately, when explaining the similarities between national socialism, fascism, socialism, and communism, they seemed to agree with me and took an interest in the topic. There are some good teachers out there who still respect freedom of speech and the truth. Thankfully I have not had the right wing Nazi lie force-fed down my throat… at least not yet.
@moderneducationalstandard
@moderneducationalstandard Год назад
This channel is absolutely great.
@Heyda_Marvin
@Heyda_Marvin Год назад
Arguing with your teachers isn't that pointless in my opinion. I used to do that a lot and even though no one ever got convinced to either side, I always felt really satisfied when opposing them with proper arguments(It's funny what they always say how universities are all about the debate and conversation until the first actual debate comes along). By doing that I bettered myself in speechcraft, self-confidence, and stress-management. It didn't always go my way but when it did it felt great and I'd also gain respect from the class and show those, who blindly followed that the professors are not the only and ultimate source of information, especially given the fact that the first university I went to was mostly dominated by post-communist intellectuals, many of whom still had a soft spot for Marx and alike.
@snozzlehead92
@snozzlehead92 Год назад
Planting seeds of doubt and making them think about the alternatives is never a bad thing. Even if you're not the person to change their mind overnight, throwing some resistance and thought challenges in their path is better than them never being challenged to critically think at all. Then, if they are to come to the correct conclusions years down the track, it may just be your initial early-stage arguments than planted that seed of change in their mind.
@Heyda_Marvin
@Heyda_Marvin Год назад
Exactly my point. Each time someone hears a different opinion it increases the chances of them actually reviewing their knowledge and views. Analogically every time one remains silent that probability is decreased. So another question is - if the school is not the moment - when exactly is it? The university? Same mechanism, you'd probably be better off staying quiet. At your job? Same thing. It's probably never a good time and yet I guess it's self-explanatory what happens if all of us remain silent. That's why I believe that as long as you have the guts to do it, you should speak up the truth. After all, isn't it what this channel has always been about?
@IdleDrifter
@IdleDrifter Год назад
The authority of those who teach is often an obstacle to those who want to learn. Marcus Tullius Cicero
@Raspinator820
@Raspinator820 Год назад
Great video. When I was coming out of high-school I considered taking a history degree since it was one of my favourite subjects, but decided against it and went for a degree in Pharmacology instead. I probably learned a lot more truth taking a Pharmacology degree than I would ever learn from a "History" degree in universities and I can still educate myself through books and your great catalogue of work here on youtube!
@a-8007
@a-8007 Год назад
Cannot agree more. Luckily I somehow figured out the game of education very early. Now with a stable career, I can genuinely enjoy being educated. An unfortunate and merciless truth
@deutschesvaterlandfankanal
@deutschesvaterlandfankanal Год назад
​@@Lonewolfdebnffuck school
@liubing5197
@liubing5197 Год назад
I relate to this so much! I was like this girl in the fact I watched your videos for history. I didn’t want to admit the truth about nazi ideology and the treaty of Versailles. I feel bad in the fact I had to lie for a fancy piece of paper
@brad180564
@brad180564 Год назад
I came to the same conclusion about the age of 14, it has served well over the years. I am now 60. On the matter of uni, I have no degree. Got my arse kicked repeatedly as a youngster did an apprenticeship and made a life for myself. Following one simple rule: Believe what you want to, but don't buck the system.
@Makingnewnamesisdumb
@Makingnewnamesisdumb Год назад
The only argument for National Socialism being right wing would be that it is farther to the right than the other forms of socialism. And that's still a stretch, but if you're a socialist and you really believe socialism is the one objectively correct way to shape society and nothing else is an option and you're actively shifting the overton window to the left to serve your political purposes, you can see why that would be an argument you would try to make.
@ironinquisitor3656
@ironinquisitor3656 Год назад
Or they'll say nationalism, or racism, antisemitism as an example even though Marx, Stalin, Mao, Che would fit under that too,
@costakeith9048
@costakeith9048 Год назад
​@@ironinquisitor3656Well, nationalism, in particular, is objectively a left-wing ideology, it arose in the 19th century as an effect of the Enlightenment and in direct opposition to traditional principle that the Sovereign's right to rule comes from God, without respect to the language, customs, or nationality of their subjects.
@ironinquisitor3656
@ironinquisitor3656 Год назад
@@costakeith9048 That's interesting, didn't know that.
@BIATEC88
@BIATEC88 Год назад
Listen to TIK. He is right I did the opposite to what he advised and the education system burned me for it
@timothydexter4027
@timothydexter4027 Год назад
My teacher apologised in an assembly that we hadn't been taught black history. Black people are quite a small minority in the UK and we demean them by treating them like a special class.
@timothydexter4027
@timothydexter4027 Год назад
In future my school will focus on black history now. No mention of Asian, Arabs, or Armenians though.
@catbug1789
@catbug1789 Год назад
If a person says something they don't believe many times, they will gradually begin to believe it.
@MatthewNJDavis
@MatthewNJDavis Год назад
The way I see it; school is there to make good employees. Therefore, you have a conscious choice of which path you wish to take - if you can't stand following the doctrine, find a way to make things happen for yourself. I know there are laws preventing children from working, but you're never too young to be creative, and try things.
@secretbaguette
@secretbaguette Год назад
One thing I've learned by now, at sixteen, is that you can only debate with equals. Schoolteachers are never your equals. Police officers are never your equals. You don't argue when the policeman pulls you over, you just do the dance the way he wants you to. You don't argue with your teachers, you just dance the dance the way they want you to.
@LD-Orbs
@LD-Orbs Год назад
Authority matters. So does power. If you are going to stand against it... count the cost first. And count it again, just to make sure you didn't forget anything.
@naturfagstoff
@naturfagstoff Год назад
Hi, TIK. I'm a teacher myself, and sadly, You are completely right. Your subject matter is history here on this channel, mine is mostly science. I was drawn here because You discuss fascism, nazism, communism and other topics central to understanding the inbetween wars period in Europe the previous century. This has in my life also been of special interest, since both my parents were children and young adults in that period, and so were my aunts and uncles. They have all passed away now, and their life experiences and history with them. Under the ruling paradigm, I find that little official 'history'have not served what they experienced right. You come from GB, I from Norway, but we come to the same conclusions, even if You are the one brilliantly expressing it here, and I,so far, have said little on social media on this subject matter. Will be following Your work here going forward. I enjoy Your thorough and frank, unapologetic approach. Will talk some more late on. Bye for now, and God bless You.
@neilreynolds3858
@neilreynolds3858 Год назад
What got me interested was that my parents and everybody else in the family and society divided all time into before the war and after the war. It had to be of the utmost importance and I wanted to know why. I find myself doing something similar with Vietnam. When I came back from there, the whole world had changed and I felt like I was in a foreign country. I still feel like I'm in a foreign country.
@basildavis2683
@basildavis2683 Год назад
Frankly this advice is not just suitable for 13-year-olds; it served me well in graduate level history courses. I got a solid A in 400 level Chinese history simply by reading all the assigned material, listening to the lectures, and acing the essay exams by summarizing all the information as presented (with a modicum of personal analysis, just not too much!). Now in this case, the curriculum was excellent as was the teacher, but that doesn't alter the dynamic of the teacher wanting the student to reflect the provided material back at them.
@bjorntorlarsson
@bjorntorlarsson Год назад
"Give the answers expected." That's how to write personality tests. And I suppose the purpose is to show that you (can pretend you don't) have any personality! Thus such tests are called "personality tests". As in medicine, negative indication of what's being tested for is desired.
@juliantheapostate8295
@juliantheapostate8295 Год назад
They are usually poorly-concealed F-scale tests
@cozyandahalle
@cozyandahalle Год назад
Wise words. It is an uncle's prerogative to speak the truths that parents often cannot bring themselves to say. You have acquitted yourself admirably. I am proud to support you. We are in a war. It is the adults who must fight it and be its casualties. The most important thing for our children is to survive; grow into adulthood; grow up strong; and with the power to control their lives. For the precocious, the best thing they can do is be its witnesses. Remember what you see; remember what you hear. Think it out. Keep a diary. Then, when your time comes, build a better world, a strong family and community, and better schools than ones that were passed down to us but which we have ruined for your generation.
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