The justice lords were such interesting bad guys and personally I would’ve to see these versions actually fight the crime syndicate because that would be really interesting and tons of fun.
The fact that they "cured" the different villians like Joker and Poison Ivy makes me wonder what they did to make them passive. Did they all lose a chunk of their brain?
@Jaquan Kelsor I said 'Fascistic' instead of 'fascists.' Fascists have only ever existed in one place, Italy 1933-1945. Using the term 'fascist' is subculturally limiting as it implies a specific set of behaviours and beliefs, and unless someone has those behaviours and beliefs then they can argue that, "they're no fascist," and they would be utterly technically correct. However, technically correct is always contextually wrong. By using the term 'Fascistic' instead and including the general abstracted behaviour and beliefs, such as a belief that "might makes right," it's a lot easier to recognise when people are engaging in Fascistic behaviour even though they themselves believe otherwise. In the US Jan 6 was never a 'fascist insurrection,' it was a 'fascistic insurrection.' Likewise, the Justice Lords are behaving Fascistic instead of fascist.
I'll just point out that unlike the other superheroes, John Stewart/Green Lantern presumably has the Guardians looking over his shoulder. Becoming a tyrant and using lethal force is essentially exactly Sinestro's crimes. Unless the Guardians are also corrupt in this universe (which is possible), such a circumstance would result in a whole lot of GLs arriving and carting John away to the Oa cells (or at least removing his ring). I also think that they implied that all the superheroes in the Justice League were just "one bad day" from turning full supervillain (except for Flash). This certainly would have been crazy in the old days -- indeed Superman's reputation as the big blue boy scout makes him historically one of the few superheroes that even the supervillains would believe. It's one thing to go nuts if you are tricked into killing your pregnant wife. But Flash? Sure that would be bad, but it's not a sufficient reason for Superman's whole personality to change. And if the other "heroes" are that close to villain, then people like Waller, herself pretty evil, are right that really no superhero should be trusted. This is a bad lesson to put into canon. Injustice was pretty implausible as well, but at least it showed the superheroes being divided and uncomfortable. And in Earth 3, they're actually totally different people. The REAL probably outcome in this universe would have been that Batman would have taken the league down, as he always prepared himself to be able to do. So fun story, but ridiculous.
Interesting to think about. Makes one wonder that if it was an alternate dimension, would the same people be there? Would batman work with superman if a few factors changed? Would there be a different green lantern, because as you mentioned they are governed by certain laws. Would certain events change (like Joker doesnt go to prison, which kills Lois) happen now that different decisions were made? Time travel, space travel, and alternate dimensions all have endless possibilities! Really weird to see Batman (both of them) changing their minds like that. This is the one time he wasnt that smart, as you would assume he thought of all possible outcomes.
Superman's personality never changed. From the context of your post take it that you've never read "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way" or seen "Superman vs the Elite." Superman is a "big blue boy scout" because he chooses to be one. He's afraid that, with good reason, he will resort to a Fascistic power display again if he ever does one. And he's right because using his power to solve everything would be so easy that he has to hold himself back from falling into the temptation. And that's a whole lot more interesting motivation than Injustice. Injustice is just an attempt to ape "...Truth, Justice..." and an inferior one. Flash getting killed by Lex Luthor is no reason he turns, it's the knowledge that if he had used his full power earlier then Flash would never have defied. In his narrative he killed Flash by letting Luthor live, Luthor merely performed the deed. And please, Batman has become a parody of himself by always being the always three steps ahead master planner who somehow always gets outsmarted initially in order to have a story at all. It's cognitively dissonant as Batman is on one side always outsmarting everyone and on the other hand constantly getting outsmarted in order to create the drama that makes for a good story. The best thing DC could do was to make Batman less of "I'm the goddamned Batman!" and more of a person who can be mistaken and stumped. The best thing "The Batman" did was make Batman less smart than he, and by extension, a certain part of the fanbase thinks he is.
@@phreshking5747 As a matter of fact that's what happened in the show. The main universe Superman resorted to lobomizing him but Doomday was nu-uh. That's not gonna work again.
The thing I always wondered about is why the power ring of the Lord Green Lantern didn't say, "I don't fucking think so," and leave for a more suitable candidate. At least the Guardians should have called him in for an 'employee evaluation'.
@@durrangodsgrief6503 It was only when Sinestro was neglecting his duties in his designated sector that the Guardians sent Hal Jordan to investigate what happened. With the Justice Lords maintaining order on Earth GL was free to patrol his sector when needed. Plus with the state Earth was in when the Justice Lords took over, maybe the Guardians approved.
Fascists...more like totalitarian in general and in the end they had the moral high ground in the end. Because in their case the writers on their episodes found it very hard to not agree with them. Especially after what Luthor tried to pull off and Flash's death.
Agree, they didn't worship war, didn't force a cult of personality on people and didn't bow to the whims of greedy capitalist corporations. Therefore they can't be fascist
A member of the Justice League breaks their no kill rule and suddenly they all become tyrant kings of the Earth. This scenario always stretches my suspension of disbelief to the breaking point.
@@christophershaffer3921 I know. And I always had a hard time swallowing it. Batman kills the Joker and all of a sudden he's okay with killing purse snatchers?
@@Warrior-Of-Virtue no. Superman is tricked into killing Doomsday....who is really Lois and his unborn child. Joker doused him with fear toxin. Lois had a bomb on her heart that blows up Metropolis when Superman kills her and the baby. Superman loses his wife, his unborn child and his home city. I don't condone Superman's actions but I get it.
The Justice Lords Deserves an DCEU/SnyderVerse Movie with Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill, Dylan O’brien, Gal Gadot, Jason Momoa, Harry Lennox, Jensen Ackles, Sam Worthington, Gemma Arterton, Charlie Hunnam, Jurnie Smolett, with tyler jacskson williams, and Dua Lipa
I'm of the mind that the primary cause of crime is scarcity. If you reduce scarcity, you reduce crime. Of course this won't result in a utopia. But it might result in a world that's somewhat better than the world as we know it. That is, unless you believe the current world is a utopia.
Time and alternate dimensions are a crazy thing. The way this one ended, it begs the idea that maybe the Justice Lords were just advanced as far as timeline. It ends with Lex Luthor maybe becoming president, to which maybe his plan goes through like usual and he does kill the Flash, which then turns the current team into the Lords. The thing is that the actions can all fall the same way, but in the end they dont decide to kill him. No one knows until they make the decision that moment. Sad to think that the Justice league could be defeated, since they could get multiple dimension's leagues to help out, and just outnumber the problem. With that kind of idea, the baddies could also do the same thing. So many possibilities.
we can see something like that in The Episodes The Justice league Injustice where Superman was not Very becoming behaviour for a member of The justice ..after Louis lane' death ...he was unreconizable, unbecoming ..killing everybody!
I love how this was a big factor in unlimited season 2 in the Cadmus arc as that is the best storyline ever as Cadmus has a reason to be afraid and Superman really needed to see how he scares people Batman was the only reason they won channeling Amanda waller at every step of the story as lex uses everyone. It's a great storyline
@@srstriker6420 I don't get what that means. The groups have a lot of different ideals over just simple things like that. I mean you see Superman stays away from politics while green arrow is a left guy and flash talks about a violent comeback will only lead to more trouble being the heart of it all. If you want politics ask hawk and dove
I've got nothing against killing truly evil people or those that side with them. But I do not condone totalitarian leadership or the enforcement of one's will over others. These Justice Lords had a decant reason to do what they did. But there's nothing just or good about being a tyrant.
they could have just killed the truly evil villains who cause most of the problems to begin with and left it at that, some villains like prankster or clayface might even reform on their own after being spooked into staying in their respective prisons (most flash villains arent actually evil) Maybe Lord Batman would fund Freeze's research because they both lost someone
Thats a moral dilema. Is there anyone that is pure evil? Yes. BUT everyone has their part to play. In the lord of the rings, Gollum helped as well as was an obstacle. Lex Luthor may be bad, but he played a part in the episode. Id argue that he isnt 100% bad, as everyone can be redeemed. There are alot of examples of him doing the right thing or just being a good guy for a bit. Its hard to say that we can do without a person, even if they do horrible things, because we cant tell the future. We dont know if they will change, or be helpful. Also, no one gives 1 person the right to take away someones life. No judge and jury entitlement. No matter how much you want to kill that person, there is someone in the world that doesnt want them dead (like their children for example). And its hard to just sentence someone to death.
@@crealkillr He did initially want to better humankind, but he let his hatred for superman corrupt that goal into an excuse for crime. When he briefly took over for superman on the justice league he genuinely wanted to help but the mistrust turned him back to his old ways
The former is the latter. Who decides who is truly evil and on what terms? Evil is subjective and one person acting evil can be seen by another person as them acting good. Most people are disgusted when they hear Yan Rand's philosophy of selfishness while a minority is all "that is the Way!" What would you think about your own philosophy if society decided that you were truly evil and thus should be put to death?
@@nielsjensen4185 We are all a bit of good and evil. As long as my actions dont effect you negatively, its a win win. If my goal only works with your demise, then maybe its best to just create my utopia on a different planet instead of eradicating your kind. Its not that easy, but our main goal is to co exist. Lock up the people that "just want to see the world burn", and find a way to make all philosophies work.
Great videos, these 2 episodes are among my top favourite episodes from JLA. I love Superman’s costume the best in the Justice Lords and the way he lobotomized Doomsday, lol.
for Justice Lord Batman and our Batman during their fight, when he heard the whole punk with a gun comment we are all lead to believe that was enough for Batman to think hes right. but then we see Batman bring up mom and dad later about SWAT arresting a man over an overly petty issue. I think what really happened was when he heard the punk with a gun comment, Batman thought of a way to beat him and see hes wrong. but bringing him out to the Gotham he created and then bring up how their parents would react to this, which then made Lord Batman realize his parents would be disgusted with his actions we later see him helping them return to their universe and upon their departure, he lowered his head in shame. and Im sure he was waiting for the lords to be brought back over
@Acnologia120 you clearly have no idea who the Justice Lords are, how they act and dress etc. Next time please educate yourself before opening your mouth.
@Acnologia120 the edgelord Justice Lords don't care about putting the lives of innocent citizens in harmsway. They'll murder villians, they all wear dark suits. They're all moody and depressed. It's 💯 like Snyder's JL. Did you even watch this video ?
What's actually interesting and might be a thing for a follow up video is the effects of Red Kryptonite on superman over the many versions of superman on film and television especially the Variant Kryptonite that acts like red kryptonite in Superman 3 which makes him in to an evil hateful jerk who literally fights himself to death, also red kryptonite in Batman the Brave and the Bold has a flip on the Titanic fight from dark knight returns and is interesting in how the effects of red Kryptonite have a limited period of effect.
Can a person leave an expensive thing in a public place like in a park inside a car for example, in the justice lords universe without the fear of being stolen?
Well everybody, we already have a DC MULTIVERSE action figure Justice Lord Superman. Now all we need is the rest of the DC MULTIVERSE action figures of the Justice Lord team to go up against the Justice League.
JLeague Batman "YOU TOOK POWER!" JLord Batman "AND WITH THAT POWER, WE'VE MADE A WORLD WHERE NO 8 YEAR OLD BOY WILL NEVER LOSE HIS PARENTS BECAUSE OF SOME PUNK WITH A GUN!" That was a deep comment, though JLord Batman forgets that the fascist regime is not what Thomas and Martha (or Their Wally West for that matter) would have wanted.
I truly support justice lords, do any of you want a show called the justice lords? On their earth no crime existed, i am sure that wars stopped on their earth
How about a video returning to movies? I watched 2 good terror movies that nobody is talking about: "The Cellar" and "You are not my mother", both from this year!
It's still surprised me that Lord Batman went along with this because you think he would be in the opposite knowing that what they're doing is wrong it's a good thing he was able to see through this bullshit thanks to the other Batman.
I think they messed up by not having Justice Lord Bruce be behind everything. Imagine if as the portal was closing our Bruce who had been shown thinking gets a shocked look on his face and rushes towards the portal where Lord Batman is seen smirking just as the portal Closes. Superman: What? Batman (Angrily) We Got Played! Think about it Lord Batman is now the most powerful man on his earth, WHY would he give that up?
Lord Batman changing his ways is as stupid as Superman having a total change of personality and becoming a tyrant just because The Flash got killed. Fun story with a dumb premise
Pfft dc and comics in general really love this dumb evil counterpart nonsense...how many evil batman and superman versions are there now...and sometimes the motivations for some of these evil versions is laughable like injustice superman...oh no superman killed the joker...and instead of everybody saying what they'd realistically say..ya know...YES!FINALLY!its about damn time,they treat it like it's a terrible crime and have superman go all amoral psycho dictator...like...really...one loss and one murder suddenly does a complete 180 on the character...so according to comics soldiers who kill in war officers who've killed in the line of duty and regular civilians who might've had to kill in self defense...clearly all turned into psychotic monsters and abandoned all morality...like how they try to constantly portray red hood as doing something wrong because he kills criminals...like boo fucking hoo you think the civilians terrorized by these villains will really give a shit or mourn the death of these villains...get fucking real...they'd probably celebrate instead...at least the justice lords are a more sensible interpretation of more ruthless superheroes...they still hold on to many of the morals of the originals and value the rule of law...except this time they're the ones making the laws not just enforcing them...as for being dictators...whoopty fucking doo...freedom doesn't exist...freedom is anarchy and lawlessness...the very existence of laws and a force to enforce them is the antithesis of the idea of freedom...what america has is more privileges than other countries...not freedom...try walking down the street naked shooting a gun into the air and see how far your freedom takes you...idiots dont even understand what freedom actually means and if you ever had it you'd hate it because itd just result in an anarchist hellhole until a new power structure forced its way...whys everyone acting like life is so drastically different and so terrible under the justice lords tyrannical rule...does regular everyday life for the average citizen change in any drastic way...nope...still wake up every day go to work come home and do whatever on their own time etc etc...hell even in ultramans universe where superman of that universe usurps power once again and actually is villainous more akin to a crime lord than dictator...life still goes on relatively the same for the average citizen...literally the only thing that changes is the position of who's in power and making the laws...as if the two other largest superpowers in the real world werent dictatorships...guess what dipshits democracy is the youngest form of governance on earth...civilization existed and continued long before its existence...all empires of the past were ruled by monarchies and dictatorships and even to this day half the world that isnt america or Europe still is governed by alternate government styles that arent democracy...every time they come up with some stupid tyrannical superman all I think of is...why the hell are they turning superman into zod...and why are they acting like it's the worst thing to ever happen...I mean would superman or hell even zod being the ruling dictator of the world really be a terrible outcome...as if earth were some kind of paradise as is...and now let's take superman out of the picture completely...yeah good luck with darkseid dipshits...a tyrannical dictatorship under superman's gonna look like paradise compared to what darkseid does to the worlds he conquers...say goodbye to any semblance of a normal human life at that point...enjoy being a parademon...oh and I think its laughable aquaman is making threats to superman...as if superman couldn't wipe out aquaman and all of Atlantis combined with minimal effort...seriously I'm sick of these alternate evil counterparts and twisted interpretations of superheroes in general...like the boys...trying to be so pretentiously meta with it's more gritty realistic amoral superheroes...first of all they arent superheroes...they're supervillains pretending to be heroes...and apparently recording technology is very mediocre in their world and most civilians are very stupid because they somehow keep getting away with it unnoticed...second homelander is a joke...despite the fact that the fucker has essentially absolute power since none of the other superheroes are remotely on his level and therefore has no rivaling power besides a ragtag group of average humans...he still continues with this stupid charade as a superhero and being a lapdog to a company...instead of doing ya know...what every evil version of superman and zod always do...which is a complete takeover through force...superman zod doomsday darkseid etc would all cave in homelanders face with ease...frankly the very concept of a superhero is stupid and unrealistic...superheroes are essentially cops except they dont get paid or health benefits...and the idea that anyone would be so sickeningly altruistic to essentially enslaving themselves to serve a bunch of shithead civilians for absolutely no gain whatsoever is just...well...ridiculous...if a meta human with superpowers existed in the real world one of a number of things would happen...one...they'd be pursued endlessly by some government organization and either imprisoned or killed...two...be superman level powerfull and essentially destroy any would be attempts to capture or kill them then likely proceed to kill everyone in power and take over themselves...three...subdue any would be opposition then parley with the powers that be and essentially become a super soldier in the service of said governing power and be the closest thing to an actual superhero...except they wouldnt be a vigilante they'd be an actual civil servant akin to a soldier cop firefighter etc and would actually be getting paid handsomely for their services...about the equivalent of five cops or firefighters minimum and they'd probably live like movie stars with constant fans pestering them and if they did have a secret identity itd only be a secret to the public the government would know their civilian identity though...four...they'd keep their powers a secret entirely and use it sparingly for self gain...wether to help advance their career in some way or for petty crimes like theft to make easy money and an easy living...or lastly...go completely psychotic and become a genocidal mass murderer...a selfless altruistic no gain whatsoever superhero vigilante though...yeah that's really stupid and unrealistic...they'd give up on that very quickly...putting your life on the line constantly for no benefit to yourself whatsoever...that's idiotic and no sane human being would want to make a habit of it...not to mention the trauma of consistent failure...people are bound to die around you...you cant always successfully save someone...and trying to fight criminals without lethal force is unrealistic unless you vastly overpower them like superman where they literally cant do anything to hurt you...so the trauma of being around constant death both from the civilians you fail to save as well as the criminals you're forced to kill combined with just the constant collateral damage and physical injury you'll sustain not to mention being constantly pursued by government forces...cuz the governments not just going to let an unchecked power roam free period...and trying to balance that with a regular civilian life on top of that...yeah no that's stupid and would never work...any meta human stupid enough to try to be a comic book superhero would quickly quit if they arent killed or imprisoned first and the only thing they'll have to show for it is PTSD and scars
@@BigRedHeadPhones ...bruh why you responding to a year old comment...well whatever...uh...I'm impressed you actually bothered to read that dumb rant...well not entirely sure what I was even ranting about but if that's the most privileged thing you've ever heard might need to hear more of the world...I assure you privileged is something I'm not wouldnt be wasting my time ranting online if I was privileged,be out traveling the world fucking plastic bitches with big fake tits instead...adieu
I freaking love the Justice Lords we have to see a movie based on theme we just have to they are so freaking awesome and their costumes are so cool to be honest I prefer the Justice Lords costumes to the Justice League
because he is and his "friends" are too focused on being the hero rather stopping the villains. I preferer the avengers, x men and the fantastic four because they are not afraid to use lethal force on villains. and because they are not planning to go up against each other because they are true friends.
