Juventus Did it Again 

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@@daquaviousbingleton9763 what have I just stumbled upon

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Why? This is rubbish superficial journalism from people who do not understand finance or law - which is only natural from the sports journalists you sourced your information from. The prime example they focused on, the Pjanic-Arthur deal, was a two way player swap. If Juventus is considered guilty of false accounting and market manipulation, then Barcelona is equally so. It is not mathematically and financially possible for Barcelona to be an innocent party in a two-party transaction without duress. Yet there is no investigation or punishment for Barcelona. Why? The plusvalenza case was just a pretext from Italian regulators in order to get access to Juventus' office and financial records, which is what triggered the Prisma investigation. If the plusvalenza investigation was not valid (which it was not), then the subsequent raid is also not valid, and the evidence collected for the Prisma salary investigation is also highly questionable at least. The reason for these multiple investigations against Juventus is because Agnelli destroyed his relationship with Ceferin (and therefore UEFA) with the European Super League proposal announcement. Review the timeline of the FIGC investigation. Your claims are that this is a bigger part of Italian football and particularly Juventus for a longer time than that, then why the sudden impetus for these investigations against Juventus at precisely that time? They gloss over the initial decision by the Italian FA. Notice how former Inter Milan executives were involved, and one former Inter Milan executive got a promotion into UEFA after the initial Italian FA decision was handed down? They mention the startling speed of the Italian FA decisions. Yes, that is something to remark on. Italy has amongst the slowest judicial processes in all of Europe. Then why this sudden undignified haste to punish Juventus? Clearly UEFA had a lot to do with it, influencing the FIGC to take down Juventus, for a practice that is not just widespread in Italy but throughout the footballing and financial world. (Your point that capital gains are disproportionate to Serie A club revenue as opposed to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga ets is more an indication of Serie A declining revenues than it is about extraordinarily fraudulent capital gains calculations, which in turn makes FIGC more malleable to UEFA machinations). Other than FIGC's own financial troubles and the decline of Serie A revenues and footballing brand making them vulnerable to UEFA manipulation, what else would motivate the FIGC to do this kind of self sabotage to their Serie A brand? A few reasons. Inter Milan, who were actually guilty of sporting fraud in the calciopoli scandal but were able to successfully avoid providing their audio transcripts to investigators within the limitation period, (read: have sufficient internal Italian political influence), are well motivated to bring down Juventus. Addit Additionally, Exor (Juventus' parent company) has now been based in Netherlands for some years now, so Italian government authorities no longer receive tax revenues from Juventus. So clearly, Juventus has formidable enemies among UEFA, FIGC and the Italian government. Expect Juventus to continue to suffer - not because they are any more guilty than any other football club - but because they have made the wrong kind of enemies, i.e. the most powerful. They will try and sink Juventus for a long time to come. Anyone who believes that Man City, PSG, Chelsea, RM, Barcelona, Bayern and any number of other clubs, including Italian clubs, are not at least as "guilty" as Juventus of financial manipulation is simply ignorant of finance, law and football.

​@@argablarga"if anyone believes other clubs aren't guilty of this" the video LITERALLY states that the investigation included other clubs, its just that Juve was the most notorious offender in it...

​@@argablarga also if you seriously believe the actual Italian government decided to join on the conspiracy against Juve, including small time investigators, just because Juve pays taxes in Netherlands and not Italy... I'd give you UEFA trying to screw someone over because of course they might do that, but this... I'm just waiting for you to start talking about Jews at this point

@@aw2584 and yours and their evidence for that is? What's the objective metric that's based on?

Haahaaha fraudulently run ass club

Its every club in the entire world who does this not barca.

@@Roomierami so Barcelona are the only club in the world that don’t cheat?

At Leasys Juventus dosen't pay referes. At Least no more

​@@Roomierami Really? Every club does this? So when was the last time say, Man Utd swapped players with another club with both players having vastly inflated transfer fees?

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Italy is one big *famiglia*

Comproprietà are so nostalgic ngl

I mean it still happen in brazil

@@NoryLevi yeah but with agents, in Italy it used to be 2 different teams owning the player

i’m not even gonna ask

That's what I admire about Italian fa. Unlike the premier league and la Liga the Italians do something about the illegal practices of Italian football. I seriously don't believe the premier league would do that to man city. Imagine city got a Hundred charges against them and we still wait for the outcome. Pathethic.

Thank you! I'm saying this for years, other league football fans are living under a bubble (Psg,Man city, Barca etc...). Meanwhile italian clubs such as Inter, Rome are paying fines for settlement agreement and others paid in the past (Milan). It's so unfair that we have to do the transfers counting every euro in our pockets meanwhile City, Psg etc can spend as they wish because they have oil money that controls UEFA.

Agreed, that's the conclusion I got from this -- this video shows that the system in Italy is working, accountability exists, which is more than can be said for what's happening with Man City.

@@RuliManurung well said.

U do realize the real issue isn't that these guys are corrupt it's that they're all broke lol.

I watched a HITC you tube video on it so I had a basic grounding. It's ingenious in its sh*thousery...I mean who can say what a player is worth? it's unquantifiable. Us as football fans just laugh when someone pays stupid money for a player thats clearly not worth it but how do you go to court and prove he's not? That's immediately a grey area...

It's all a trap..... all fake..

@@mattjames6349 I, myself, have bought a player for a price everyone thought was absurd. But the value was right for my club, at that time. So it's true that value is immediately a grey area. Even more importantly, a player's value isn't fixed. That player I bought for "way too much" I ended up selling for a tasty profit a few years later. Form is an important part of player valuation; and that can be impacted by any number of unmeasurables.

Not to forget that they’ve won the ucl 27 years ago while the team used doping. All of this later admitted by the team docter from that time who provided it to the players

@@KevinV90 Fake news.

Ouch😂😂😂maan come on, poor Tottenham😂😂😂

Spurs catching strays over here😂😂

Same as Manchester city

So 1, right? Hahaha

Juventus definitely has more than 20 investigations in history so likely true.

#finoallafine 🙌

These 3 clubs are the cancer of football,i hope they all go to administration

Not to mention that after the investigations ended Italy has been awarded the 2032 euros by UEFA

Doesn't that happen everywhere, though? In Brazil it's really common to see players being owned by the club they play for and others (agents, smaller teams, a random company).

@@calamortaThat practice is actually frowned upon or banned in certain leagues, take Doyen sports investment for example that got both FC Twente(Netherlands) and RFC seraing (Belgium) reprimanded by either league or FIFA. What I am talking about was actual ownership shared by clubs, this actually used to be represented within Football Manager (Whereas third party ownership of players has not).

You have to ask that to spain autorithies... But just to be clear : Barcelona are in huge troubles since month with financial/spending allowed issues with spain football federation + the problem with Juventus was not just once or twice but with more than 30 transfers

Its because all the Italian league and investigators are just ingrained to hate Juventus. For the Italian league even while Calciopoli was happening many other clubs were participating however they turned a blind eye. Only Juventus has been held to any regulations in Italy. Last time Juve did not fight it, this time I think its going to be a much longer battle

The simple answer is different countries with different laws and how they are applied. There are a lot of big and small differences that don’t allow for a 1 to 1 black and white comparison. It’s already starting with juve being on the stock mark and barca being fan owned which is a very special form of ownership in spain that only 3 other clubs I believe have and that comes with its own set of rules snd regulations etc. if we’re going down that rabbit hole we’re here until next week

​@@SN27671 Serie A is the only league that at least do something about it (even as it's just to save the face). Other leagues just put all the scandals under a rug because of oil money or to protect the money generated by the club/league.

Serie A is the only league that at least do something about it (even as it's just to save the face). Other leagues just put all the scandals under a rug because of oil money or to protect the money generated by the club/league.

... and then ?

This is rubbish journalism from people who do not understand finance or law - which is only natural from the sports journalists you sourced your information from. The prime example you focused on, the Pjanic-Arthur deal, was a two way player swap. If Juventus is considered guilty of false accounting and market manipulation, then Barcelona is equally so. It is not mathematically and financially possible for Barcelona to be an innocent party in a two-party transaction without duress. Yet there is no investigation or punishment for Barcelona. Why? The plusvalenza case was just a pretext from Italian regulators in order to get access to Juventus' office and financial records, which is what triggered the Prisma investigation. If the plusvalenza investigation was not valid (which it was not), then the subsequent raid is also not valid, and the evidence collected for the Prisma salary investigation is also highly questionable at least. The reason for these multiple investigations against Juventus is because Agnelli destroyed his relationship with Ceferin (and therefore UEFA) with the European Super League proposal announcement. Review the timeline of the FIGC investigation. Your claims are that this is a bigger part of Italian football and particularly Juventus for a longer time than that, then why the sudden impetus for these investigations against Juventus at precisely that time? You gloss over the initial decision by the Italian FA. Notice how former Inter Milan executives were involved, and one former Inter Milan executive got a promotion into UEFA after the initial Italian FA decision was handed down? You mention the startling speed of the Italian FA decisions. Yes, that is something to remark on. Italy has amongst the slowest judicial processes in all of Europe. Then why this sudden undignified haste to punish Juventus? Clearly UEFA had a lot to do with it, influencing the FIGC to take down Juventus, for a practice that is not just widespread in Italy but throughout the footballing and financial world. (Your point that capital gains are disproportionate to Serie A club revenue as opposed to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga ets is more an indication of Serie A declining revenues than it is about extraordinarily fraudulent capital gains calculations, which in turn makes FIGC more malleable to UEFA machinations). Other than FIGC's own financial troubles and the decline of Serie A revenues and footballing brand making them vulnerable to UEFA manipulation, what else would motivate the FIGC to do this kind of self sabotage to their Serie A brand? A few reasons. Inter Milan, who were actually guilty of sporting fraud in the calciopoli scandal but were able to successfully avoid providing their audio transcripts to investigators within the limitation period, (read: have sufficient internal Italian political influence), are well motivated to bring down Juventus. Addit Additionally, Exor (Juventus' parent company) has now been based in Netherlands for some years now, so Italian government authorities no longer receive tax revenues from Juventus. So clearly, Juventus has formidable enemies among UEFA, FIGC and the Italian government. Expect Juventus to continue to suffer - not because they are any more guilty than any other football club - but because they have made the wrong kind of enemies, i.e. the most powerful. They will try and sink Juventus for a long time to come. Anyone who believes that Man City, PSG, Chelsea, RM, Barcelona, Bayern and any number of other clubs, including Italian clubs, are not at least as "guilty" as Juventus of financial manipulation is simply ignorant of finance, law and football.

How the the acknowledgement that they actually do bad stuff in any form naive? At best the sentence is "too diplomatic". But this is a light hearted youtube video (where the dude doesnt want to get sued), not hard hitting investigative journalism.

@@LiftandCoa thinking they are stupid and not calculated fraudulent operations is what makes it for me

That's just normal accounting tho. I bet your own country is heavily indebted to China because of this same thing.

@@Mebsuta it’s not a “normal” accounting practice, but instead is a dangerous way to perform bookkeeping called amortization This is not paying installments out over time - instead you “pretend” that you have more money than you actually do. Zealand explained it in an “okay” way but missed the most problematic parts of it. I’ll use his £100m example. If you pay a team £100m for a player, you actually give that team £100m upfront (unless the agreement stipulates payment spread out over a few years which can happen but is less common) If you then amortize the cost of that player over their 10-year contract, then you could attempt to say to the player only cost you £10m this year. Then when it comes time to calculate your yearly losses/gains, you can report that you have £90m more than you actually do. Now in accounting, this is technically legal but can be very risky if you don’t find sources of income to cover the £90m that your books say you have but that you don’t actually possess. Technically a very, very, very good investor can make it work, and use the “trick” of amortization to buy them some time or to make an account appear healthier than it is (also another danger is that it presumes financial health in the future, which things like bad player purchases, poor seasons, injuries, and Covid show is clearly not always the case) This behavior is extremely risky but it isn’t illegal to to risk your own money - however when you do this with a club or team then the rest of the league could be effected as well (mostly by knock-on effects, but could be direct too). So league offices/FAs crack down on this behavior because if you do it too much then you are basically gambling with club money that it doesn’t actually have, and if a couple purchase don’t pan out then it could all come crashing down - theoretically bankrupting a team and potentially more teams or the league itself, depending on who money is owed to.

Yeah it's just an accounting principle. I'm not english so I don't know the exact translation, but I believe it should be "accrual". Any payment over multiple dates is spread out over those dates. If you pay rent for three months, that payment is spread out over all three months, even if you paid it all upfront the first day.

I try to negotiate in shops the way I negotiate transfer fees and contracts. “I’ll give you £30 up front and then another £25 over the next 24 weeks. I’ll chuck in a 10% profit on sale on that too”. They never accept my offers.

​​@@patrickmccormack3209 what are you talking about. Amortization and depreciation are one of the most common and widely used accounting techniques. It is completely normal.

It was also in a totally different timeline than when we signed the Spotify deal

If you do it once it's a thing. If you do it repeatedly, with a scheme, and you also report false accounting, and you also pay under the table your players... that's another thing, don't you think?

Basically the Turin prosecutor Santoriello said he hates Juventus and supports Napoli as a prosecutor, then he sent what he found to Italian FA, prosecutors in other cities aren't investigating on their city's club because it's probably not good for their careers. Im not saying Juve is innocent but it's clear that they pretend like Juve is the only one doing it and nobody cares since Juve is hated by every non Juve fan.

Deserved? These kind of sales aren't regulated yet, and the closest thing to a rule that could relate to this says that only fines can be dished out.

WHy don't we punish some doped English clubs then?

​@@marcocioI understand what ure saying but other clubs also did it more than once, we are the only ones being punished for it. Also punishing a club mid season is just absurd, every other league wouldve deducted the points for the next season not an hour before a european game / 15 min before a league game

The league doesnt hate Chelsea. Every team in the Serie A wants Juventus' heads, stupidly enough just lowering the league level again and again

​@@RennyP Juventus are low level at this point anyway?

​@RennyP it's because the premier league does not care neither their fans, they just want to keep the status of the clubs/leagues so they avoid all types of possible scandals.

Yeah but Chelsea hasn’t exchanged players and claimed they sold their one for stupid money.. etc etc.

Arguably the most accurate non-Juventino video so far. Still missed a lot of nuances as you said though.

*Spanish clubs enter the chat*

Man city enters the chat? Can I say that lol

@@catpoofa You can say that brother as its true

​@@IAmThatBit-- Absolutely nothing has been proven when it comes to man city, though. The UEFA charges where thrown out by the court of arbitration for sport since those charges either relied on evidence that was no longer submissible under UEFA's own laws or were simply non credible.

@@edwardking9359

It's a worldwide accounting standard for every business, it's jot they are doing this by choice

Yeah true it's unfair because clubs like man City are in champions final stage with a squad paid with oil money. Grealish Costs more than the 11 starters of Inter.

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Exactly bro. Too big to fail cos these clubs bring in big money. Imagine city or barca getting relegated. Not gonna happen.

So true

Italian authorities are the most corrupt of all. This is rubbish journalism from people who do not understand finance or law - which is only natural from the sports journalists you sourced your information from. The prime example they focused on, the Pjanic-Arthur deal, was a two way player swap. If Juventus is considered guilty of false accounting and market manipulation, then Barcelona is equally so. It is not mathematically and financially possible for Barcelona to be an innocent party in a two-party transaction without duress. Yet there is no investigation or punishment for Barcelona. Why? The plusvalenza case was just a pretext from Italian regulators in order to get access to Juventus' office and financial records, which is what triggered the Prisma investigation. If the plusvalenza investigation was not valid (which it was not), then the subsequent raid is also not valid, and the evidence collected for the Prisma salary investigation is also highly questionable at least. The reason for these multiple investigations against Juventus is because Agnelli destroyed his relationship with Ceferin (and therefore UEFA) with the European Super League proposal announcement. Review the timeline of the FIGC investigation. Your claims are that this is a bigger part of Italian football and particularly Juventus for a longer time than that, then why the sudden impetus for these investigations against Juventus at precisely that time? They gloss over the initial decision by the Italian FA. Notice how former Inter Milan executives were involved, and one former Inter Milan executive got a promotion into UEFA after the initial Italian FA decision was handed down? They mention the startling speed of the Italian FA decisions. Yes, that is something to remark on. Italy has amongst the slowest judicial processes in all of Europe. Then why this sudden undignified haste to punish Juventus? Clearly UEFA had a lot to do with it, influencing the FIGC to take down Juventus, for a practice that is not just widespread in Italy but throughout the footballing and financial world. (Your point that capital gains are disproportionate to Serie A club revenue as opposed to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga ets is more an indication of Serie A declining revenues than it is about extraordinarily fraudulent capital gains calculations, which in turn makes FIGC more malleable to UEFA machinations). Other than FIGC's own financial troubles and the decline of Serie A revenues and footballing brand making them vulnerable to UEFA manipulation, what else would motivate the FIGC to do this kind of self sabotage to their Serie A brand? A few reasons. Inter Milan, who were actually guilty of sporting fraud in the calciopoli scandal but were able to successfully avoid providing their audio transcripts to investigators within the limitation period, (read: have sufficient internal Italian political influence), are well motivated to bring down Juventus. Addit Additionally, Exor (Juventus' parent company) has now been based in Netherlands for some years now, so Italian government authorities no longer receive tax revenues from Juventus. So clearly, Juventus has formidable enemies among UEFA, FIGC and the Italian government. Expect Juventus to continue to suffer - not because they are any more guilty than any other football club - but because they have made the wrong kind of enemies, i.e. the most powerful. They will try and sink Juventus for a long time to come. Anyone who believes that Man City, PSG, Chelsea, RM, Barcelona, Bayern and any number of other clubs, including Italian clubs, are not at least as "guilty" as Juventus of financial manipulation is simply ignorant of finance, law and football.

Exactly. This is rubbish superficial journalism from people who do not understand finance or law - which is only natural from the sports journalists you sourced your information from. The prime example they focused on, the Pjanic-Arthur deal, was a two way player swap. If Juventus is considered guilty of false accounting and market manipulation, then Barcelona is equally so. It is not mathematically and financially possible for Barcelona to be an innocent party in a two-party transaction without duress. Yet there is no investigation or punishment for Barcelona. Why? The plusvalenza case was just a pretext from Italian regulators in order to get access to Juventus' office and financial records, which is what triggered the Prisma investigation. If the plusvalenza investigation was not valid (which it was not), then the subsequent raid is also not valid, and the evidence collected for the Prisma salary investigation is also highly questionable at least. The reason for these multiple investigations against Juventus is because Agnelli destroyed his relationship with Ceferin (and therefore UEFA) with the European Super League proposal announcement. Review the timeline of the FIGC investigation. Your claims are that this is a bigger part of Italian football and particularly Juventus for a longer time than that, then why the sudden impetus for these investigations against Juventus at precisely that time? They gloss over the initial decision by the Italian FA. Notice how former Inter Milan executives were involved, and one former Inter Milan executive got a promotion into UEFA after the initial Italian FA decision was handed down? They mention the startling speed of the Italian FA decisions. Yes, that is something to remark on. Italy has amongst the slowest judicial processes in all of Europe. Then why this sudden undignified haste to punish Juventus? Clearly UEFA had a lot to do with it, influencing the FIGC to take down Juventus, for a practice that is not just widespread in Italy but throughout the footballing and financial world. (Your point that capital gains are disproportionate to Serie A club revenue as opposed to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga ets is more an indication of Serie A declining revenues than it is about extraordinarily fraudulent capital gains calculations, which in turn makes FIGC more malleable to UEFA machinations). Other than FIGC's own financial troubles and the decline of Serie A revenues and footballing brand making them vulnerable to UEFA manipulation, what else would motivate the FIGC to do this kind of self sabotage to their Serie A brand? A few reasons. Inter Milan, who were actually guilty of sporting fraud in the calciopoli scandal but were able to successfully avoid providing their audio transcripts to investigators within the limitation period, (read: have sufficient internal Italian political influence), are well motivated to bring down Juventus. Addit Additionally, Exor (Juventus' parent company) has now been based in Netherlands for some years now, so Italian government authorities no longer receive tax revenues from Juventus. So clearly, Juventus has formidable enemies among UEFA, FIGC and the Italian government. Expect Juventus to continue to suffer - not because they are any more guilty than any other football club - but because they have made the wrong kind of enemies, i.e. the most powerful. They will try and sink Juventus for a long time to come. Anyone who believes that Man City, PSG, Chelsea, RM, Barcelona, Bayern and any number of other clubs, including Italian clubs, are not at least as "guilty" as Juventus of financial manipulation is simply ignorant of finance, law and football.

Exactly - good question. This is rubbish superficial journalism from people who do not understand finance or law - which is only natural from the sports journalists you sourced your information from. The prime example they focused on, the Pjanic-Arthur deal, was a two way player swap. If Juventus is considered guilty of false accounting and market manipulation, then Barcelona is equally so. It is not mathematically and financially possible for Barcelona to be an innocent party in a two-party transaction without duress. Yet there is no investigation or punishment for Barcelona. Why? The plusvalenza case was just a pretext from Italian regulators in order to get access to Juventus' office and financial records, which is what triggered the Prisma investigation. If the plusvalenza investigation was not valid (which it was not), then the subsequent raid is also not valid, and the evidence collected for the Prisma salary investigation is also highly questionable at least. The reason for these multiple investigations against Juventus is because Agnelli destroyed his relationship with Ceferin (and therefore UEFA) with the European Super League proposal announcement. Review the timeline of the FIGC investigation. Your claims are that this is a bigger part of Italian football and particularly Juventus for a longer time than that, then why the sudden impetus for these investigations against Juventus at precisely that time? They gloss over the initial decision by the Italian FA. Notice how former Inter Milan executives were involved, and one former Inter Milan executive got a promotion into UEFA after the initial Italian FA decision was handed down? They mention the startling speed of the Italian FA decisions. Yes, that is something to remark on. Italy has amongst the slowest judicial processes in all of Europe. Then why this sudden undignified haste to punish Juventus? Clearly UEFA had a lot to do with it, influencing the FIGC to take down Juventus, for a practice that is not just widespread in Italy but throughout the footballing and financial world. (Your point that capital gains are disproportionate to Serie A club revenue as opposed to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga ets is more an indication of Serie A declining revenues than it is about extraordinarily fraudulent capital gains calculations, which in turn makes FIGC more malleable to UEFA machinations). Other than FIGC's own financial troubles and the decline of Serie A revenues and footballing brand making them vulnerable to UEFA manipulation, what else would motivate the FIGC to do this kind of self sabotage to their Serie A brand? A few reasons. Inter Milan, who were actually guilty of sporting fraud in the calciopoli scandal but were able to successfully avoid providing their audio transcripts to investigators within the limitation period, (read: have sufficient internal Italian political influence), are well motivated to bring down Juventus. Addit Additionally, Exor (Juventus' parent company) has now been based in Netherlands for some years now, so Italian government authorities no longer receive tax revenues from Juventus. So clearly, Juventus has formidable enemies among UEFA, FIGC and the Italian government. Expect Juventus to continue to suffer - not because they are any more guilty than any other football club - but because they have made the wrong kind of enemies, i.e. the most powerful. They will try and sink Juventus for a long time to come. Anyone who believes that Man City, PSG, Chelsea, RM, Barcelona, Bayern and any number of other clubs, including Italian clubs, are not at least as "guilty" as Juventus of financial manipulation is simply ignorant of finance, law and football.

Im trying to read your comment but it just doesnt make any sense whatsoever. Please put some commas or semicolons? Maybe word it differently

@@n1troni Yeah Sorry, english isnt my First language, in summary i said: Every club in Italy does It because the league Is broke. Clear example napoli, they bought osihmen with two huge plusvalenzas by selling youth Academy players (that now play in the 5th tier) at 20+ mil to Lille. Inter have done It with Casadei and the list Just goes on. Juventus was the only team Punished in the hopes that other clubs would adapt in fear of similar consequences, but that's not happening any time soon and we all know It. Hope i cleared up any confusion.

Seethe and cope

​@hellyeahdude no u😂

Tutti I club usano questo escamotage, solo che la Juventus ne ha abusato, dovrebbero essere puniti tutti ma sarebbe impossibile e se dovessero dare una condanna giusta a tutti la Juventus sarebbe in grossi guai, però sempre meglio della premier o altre leghe che nel dubbio buttano tutto sotto il tappeto e via.

It it wasnt punished for it, then there is nothing "officiall". The "everyone does that" excuse it's the favorite excuse of the Juventus fans, as they know they cannot claim they innocence of their crooked club. So instead they took the "everyone does that but we are the only one punished for it" excuse.

@@TheUrobolos its not en excuse its the truth. Besides the fact that it is not illegal. Sampdoria got punished for not paying the players for a month. Inter won the league not paying their players the entire season. Its all corrupt.

@@TheUrobolos This is rubbish journalism from people who do not understand finance or law - which is only natural from the sports journalists you sourced your information from. The prime example you focused on, the Pjanic-Arthur deal, was a two way player swap. If Juventus is considered guilty of false accounting and market manipulation, then Barcelona is equally so. It is not mathematically and financially possible for Barcelona to be an innocent party in a two-party transaction without duress. Yet there is no investigation or punishment for Barcelona. Why? The plusvalenza case was just a pretext from Italian regulators in order to get access to Juventus' office and financial records, which is what triggered the Prisma investigation. If the plusvalenza investigation was not valid (which it was not), then the subsequent raid is also not valid, and the evidence collected for the Prisma salary investigation is also highly questionable at least. The reason for these multiple investigations against Juventus is because Agnelli destroyed his relationship with Ceferin (and therefore UEFA) with the European Super League proposal announcement. Review the timeline of the FIGC investigation. Your claims are that this is a bigger part of Italian football and particularly Juventus for a longer time than that, then why the sudden impetus for these investigations against Juventus at precisely that time? You gloss over the initial decision by the Italian FA. Notice how former Inter Milan executives were involved, and one former Inter Milan executive got a promotion into UEFA after the initial Italian FA decision was handed down? You mention the startling speed of the Italian FA decisions. Yes, that is something to remark on. Italy has amongst the slowest judicial processes in all of Europe. Then why this sudden undignified haste to punish Juventus? Clearly UEFA had a lot to do with it, influencing the FIGC to take down Juventus, for a practice that is not just widespread in Italy but throughout the footballing and financial world. (Your point that capital gains are disproportionate to Serie A club revenue as opposed to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga ets is more an indication of Serie A declining revenues than it is about extraordinarily fraudulent capital gains calculations, which in turn makes FIGC more malleable to UEFA machinations). Other than FIGC's own financial troubles and the decline of Serie A revenues and footballing brand making them vulnerable to UEFA manipulation, what else would motivate the FIGC to do this kind of self sabotage to their Serie A brand? A few reasons. Inter Milan, who were actually guilty of sporting fraud in the calciopoli scandal but were able to successfully avoid providing their audio transcripts to investigators within the limitation period, (read: have sufficient internal Italian political influence), are well motivated to bring down Juventus. Addit Additionally, Exor (Juventus' parent company) has now been based in Netherlands for some years now, so Italian government authorities no longer receive tax revenues from Juventus. So clearly, Juventus has formidable enemies among UEFA, FIGC and the Italian government. Expect Juventus to continue to suffer - not because they are any more guilty than any other football club - but because they have made the wrong kind of enemies, i.e. the most powerful. They will try and sink Juventus for a long time to come. Anyone who believes that Man City, PSG, Chelsea, RM, Barcelona, Bayern and any number of other clubs, including Italian clubs, are not at least as "guilty" as Juventus of financial manipulation is simply ignorant of finance, law and football.

"Conspiring" Lmao Every club that takes part in this kind of deals is guilty, they used the word 'system' to basically justify why they were punishing only Juve, which is always used as the scape goat, if they were to prosecute all the clubs that run this kind of operations (Inter, Milan, Napoli, Genoa, Samp, Sassuolo, Atalanta, Lazio ecc.) Italian football would collaps even more then it already has.

@@robertosedigno9467 that's BS. Nobody wants to use Juventus as a scapegoat (proof: they just settled the more serious infraction for less than Pinsoglio net salary), mostly because the plusvalenze system is perfectly fine unless you are dumb enough to get caught doing it with the clear intention of breaking the rules. Which is what happened to Juventus...but the dumber part is that they got caught because they were getting investigated for other things (see the COVID salary tomfoolery). They were just plain stupid and a bit unlucky, but there's absolutely no persecution against Juventus lol. They got a good deal out of this whole thing, could've been much worse.

@@MrX1496 I agree, still, i feel like they (FIGC) handled the situation very poorly. Also were not very clear in about the proportion of the points deduction, they didn't use a real method to calculate the impact of plusvalenze in points, so it felt all so random.

@MrX1496 you also forgot to causally mention that inter did the same things in 2005 and 2016 and settled (patteggiamento) for 90k 😂😂😂 or it's only when juventus does it that it's a crime ? Or as an inter fan are these things forgotten just so you lot can tell juve fans that your club is clean and preach morality to us all ?

@@MrX1496 the Anjulini family were used to getting there way in italy and post capiccoli they acted like nothing happened where as inter and AC took note

This is rubbish journalism from people who do not understand finance or law - which is only natural from the sports journalists you sourced your information from. The prime example you focused on, the Pjanic-Arthur deal, was a two way player swap. If Juventus is considered guilty of false accounting and market manipulation, then Barcelona is equally so. It is not mathematically and financially possible for Barcelona to be an innocent party in a two-party transaction without duress. Yet there is no investigation or punishment for Barcelona. Why? The plusvalenza case was just a pretext from Italian regulators in order to get access to Juventus' office and financial records, which is what triggered the Prisma investigation. If the plusvalenza investigation was not valid (which it was not), then the subsequent raid is also not valid, and the evidence collected for the Prisma salary investigation is also highly questionable at least. The reason for these multiple investigations against Juventus is because Agnelli destroyed his relationship with Ceferin (and therefore UEFA) with the European Super League proposal announcement. Review the timeline of the FIGC investigation. Your claims are that this is a bigger part of Italian football and particularly Juventus for a longer time than that, then why the sudden impetus for these investigations against Juventus at precisely that time? You gloss over the initial decision by the Italian FA. Notice how former Inter Milan executives were involved, and one former Inter Milan executive got a promotion into UEFA after the initial Italian FA decision was handed down? You mention the startling speed of the Italian FA decisions. Yes, that is something to remark on. Italy has amongst the slowest judicial processes in all of Europe. Then why this sudden undignified haste to punish Juventus? Clearly UEFA had a lot to do with it, influencing the FIGC to take down Juventus, for a practice that is not just widespread in Italy but throughout the footballing and financial world. (Your point that capital gains are disproportionate to Serie A club revenue as opposed to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga ets is more an indication of Serie A declining revenues than it is about extraordinarily fraudulent capital gains calculations, which in turn makes FIGC more malleable to UEFA machinations). Other than FIGC's own financial troubles and the decline of Serie A revenues and footballing brand making them vulnerable to UEFA manipulation, what else would motivate the FIGC to do this kind of self sabotage to their Serie A brand? A few reasons. Inter Milan, who were actually guilty of sporting fraud in the calciopoli scandal but were able to successfully avoid providing their audio transcripts to investigators within the limitation period, (read: have sufficient internal Italian political influence), are well motivated to bring down Juventus. Addit Additionally, Exor (Juventus' parent company) has now been based in Netherlands for some years now, so Italian government authorities no longer receive tax revenues from Juventus. So clearly, Juventus has formidable enemies among UEFA, FIGC and the Italian government. Expect Juventus to continue to suffer - not because they are any more guilty than any other football club - but because they have made the wrong kind of enemies, i.e. the most powerful. They will try and sink Juventus for a long time to come. Anyone who believes that Man City, PSG, Chelsea, RM, Barcelona, Bayern and any number of other clubs, including Italian clubs, are not at least as "guilty" as Juventus of financial manipulation is simply ignorant of finance, law and football.

@@argablarga no one asked,, stfu

That's pretty basic for any italian sports fan. Try it yourself: find an italian F1 fan and tell them Ferrari are a bunch of unprepared cronies that are just there because they're italian. Just be careful in case you don't leave that conversation alive.

You either hate them or are from a small city with no real club and are brainwashed into loving them with all the scandals swept under the rug because they own all the football media outlets

@@Mebsuta That's... slightly terrifying.

Yep seems about right unfortunately. I can’t have a normal football convo with anyone just because i support juve. They just say “juve fan… makes sense” those fans should never have acted like that but at the same time it is the Italian culture and unfortunately will never change by the looks of things. (Most juve fans are also tired of the constant criticism towards our club especially when it’s unjustified)

Italian football fans and Juventus fans are not the same thing

Wrong. This is all about nepotism. This is rubbish journalism from people who do not understand finance or law - which is only natural from the sports journalists you sourced your information from. The prime example focused on, the Pjanic-Arthur deal, was a two way player swap. If Juventus is considered guilty of false accounting and market manipulation, then Barcelona is equally so. It is not mathematically and financially possible for Barcelona to be an innocent party in a two-party transaction without duress. Yet there is no investigation or punishment for Barcelona. Why? The plusvalenza case was just a pretext from Italian regulators in order to get access to Juventus' office and financial records, which is what triggered the Prisma investigation. If the plusvalenza investigation was not valid (which it was not), then the subsequent raid is also not valid, and the evidence collected for the Prisma salary investigation is also highly questionable at least. The reason for these multiple investigations against Juventus is because Agnelli destroyed his relationship with Ceferin (and therefore UEFA) with the European Super League proposal announcement. Review the timeline of the FIGC investigation. Your claims are that this is a bigger part of Italian football and particularly Juventus for a longer time than that, then why the sudden impetus for these investigations against Juventus at precisely that time? You gloss over the initial decision by the Italian FA. Notice how former Inter Milan executives were involved, and one former Inter Milan executive got a promotion into UEFA after the initial Italian FA decision was handed down? You mention the startling speed of the Italian FA decisions. Yes, that is something to remark on. Italy has amongst the slowest judicial processes in all of Europe. Then why this sudden undignified haste to punish Juventus? Clearly UEFA had a lot to do with it, influencing the FIGC to take down Juventus, for a practice that is not just widespread in Italy but throughout the footballing and financial world. (Your point that capital gains are disproportionate to Serie A club revenue as opposed to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga ets is more an indication of Serie A declining revenues than it is about extraordinarily fraudulent capital gains calculations, which in turn makes FIGC more malleable to UEFA machinations). Other than FIGC's own financial troubles and the decline of Serie A revenues and footballing brand making them vulnerable to UEFA manipulation, what else would motivate the FIGC to do this kind of self sabotage to their Serie A brand? A few reasons. Inter Milan, who were actually guilty of sporting fraud in the calciopoli scandal but were able to successfully avoid providing their audio transcripts to investigators within the limitation period, (read: have sufficient internal Italian political influence), are well motivated to bring down Juventus. Addit Additionally, Exor (Juventus' parent company) has now been based in Netherlands for some years now, so Italian government authorities no longer receive tax revenues from Juventus. So clearly, Juventus has formidable enemies among UEFA, FIGC and the Italian government. Expect Juventus to continue to suffer - not because they are any more guilty than any other football club - but because they have made the wrong kind of enemies, i.e. the most powerful. They will try and sink Juventus for a long time to come. Anyone who believes that Man City, PSG, Chelsea, RM, Barcelona, Bayern and any number of other clubs, including Italian clubs, are not at least as "guilty" as Juventus of financial manipulation is simply ignorant of finance, law and football.

Exactly - superficial rubbish journalism - how can Juve be guilty unilaterally for bilateral transactions?

Juventus will always be bigger than ac milan. Just take a look at the trophies

@@hastaar2161 We don’t worry about the League when we can win the CL, something Juve is allergic to.

Sure you're an AC Milan fan and you hate Juve, I get that. But you should be more concerned about the damage to Italian and the level of nepotism and corruption on display in this matter. This is rubbish superficial journalism from people who do not understand finance or law - which is only natural from the sports journalists you sourced your information from. The prime example they focused on, the Pjanic-Arthur deal, was a two way player swap. If Juventus is considered guilty of false accounting and market manipulation, then Barcelona is equally so. It is not mathematically and financially possible for Barcelona to be an innocent party in a two-party transaction without duress. Yet there is no investigation or punishment for Barcelona. Why? The plusvalenza case was just a pretext from Italian regulators in order to get access to Juventus' office and financial records, which is what triggered the Prisma investigation. If the plusvalenza investigation was not valid (which it was not), then the subsequent raid is also not valid, and the evidence collected for the Prisma salary investigation is also highly questionable at least. The reason for these multiple investigations against Juventus is because Agnelli destroyed his relationship with Ceferin (and therefore UEFA) with the European Super League proposal announcement. Review the timeline of the FIGC investigation. Your claims are that this is a bigger part of Italian football and particularly Juventus for a longer time than that, then why the sudden impetus for these investigations against Juventus at precisely that time? They gloss over the initial decision by the Italian FA. Notice how former Inter Milan executives were involved, and one former Inter Milan executive got a promotion into UEFA after the initial Italian FA decision was handed down? They mention the startling speed of the Italian FA decisions. Yes, that is something to remark on. Italy has amongst the slowest judicial processes in all of Europe. Then why this sudden undignified haste to punish Juventus? Clearly UEFA had a lot to do with it, influencing the FIGC to take down Juventus, for a practice that is not just widespread in Italy but throughout the footballing and financial world. (Your point that capital gains are disproportionate to Serie A club revenue as opposed to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga ets is more an indication of Serie A declining revenues than it is about extraordinarily fraudulent capital gains calculations, which in turn makes FIGC more malleable to UEFA machinations). Other than FIGC's own financial troubles and the decline of Serie A revenues and footballing brand making them vulnerable to UEFA manipulation, what else would motivate the FIGC to do this kind of self sabotage to their Serie A brand? A few reasons. Inter Milan, who were actually guilty of sporting fraud in the calciopoli scandal but were able to successfully avoid providing their audio transcripts to investigators within the limitation period, (read: have sufficient internal Italian political influence), are well motivated to bring down Juventus. Addit Additionally, Exor (Juventus' parent company) has now been based in Netherlands for some years now, so Italian government authorities no longer receive tax revenues from Juventus. So clearly, Juventus has formidable enemies among UEFA, FIGC and the Italian government. Expect Juventus to continue to suffer - not because they are any more guilty than any other football club - but because they have made the wrong kind of enemies, i.e. the most powerful. They will try and sink Juventus for a long time to come. Anyone who believes that Man City, PSG, Chelsea, RM, Barcelona, Bayern and any number of other clubs, including Italian clubs, are not at least as "guilty" as Juventus of financial manipulation is simply ignorant of finance, law and football.

Serie a hates juve only . Simple

Exactly - good question. This is rubbish journalism from people who do not understand finance or law - which is only natural from the sports journalists you sourced your information from. The prime example they focused on, the Pjanic-Arthur deal, was a two way player swap. If Juventus is considered guilty of false accounting and market manipulation, then Barcelona is equally so. It is not mathematically and financially possible for Barcelona to be an innocent party in a two-party transaction without duress. Yet there is no investigation or punishment for Barcelona. Why? The plusvalenza case was just a pretext from Italian regulators in order to get access to Juventus' office and financial records, which is what triggered the Prisma investigation. If the plusvalenza investigation was not valid (which it was not), then the subsequent raid is also not valid, and the evidence collected for the Prisma salary investigation is also highly questionable at least. The reason for these multiple investigations against Juventus is because Agnelli destroyed his relationship with Ceferin (and therefore UEFA) with the European Super League proposal announcement. Review the timeline of the FIGC investigation. Your claims are that this is a bigger part of Italian football and particularly Juventus for a longer time than that, then why the sudden impetus for these investigations against Juventus at precisely that time? They gloss over the initial decision by the Italian FA. Notice how former Inter Milan executives were involved, and one former Inter Milan executive got a promotion into UEFA after the initial Italian FA decision was handed down? They mention the startling speed of the Italian FA decisions. Yes, that is something to remark on. Italy has amongst the slowest judicial processes in all of Europe. Then why this sudden undignified haste to punish Juventus? Clearly UEFA had a lot to do with it, influencing the FIGC to take down Juventus, for a practice that is not just widespread in Italy but throughout the footballing and financial world. (Your point that capital gains are disproportionate to Serie A club revenue as opposed to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga ets is more an indication of Serie A declining revenues than it is about extraordinarily fraudulent capital gains calculations, which in turn makes FIGC more malleable to UEFA machinations). Other than FIGC's own financial troubles and the decline of Serie A revenues and footballing brand making them vulnerable to UEFA manipulation, what else would motivate the FIGC to do this kind of self sabotage to their Serie A brand? A few reasons. Inter Milan, who were actually guilty of sporting fraud in the calciopoli scandal but were able to successfully avoid providing their audio transcripts to investigators within the limitation period, (read: have sufficient internal Italian political influence), are well motivated to bring down Juventus. Addit Additionally, Exor (Juventus' parent company) has now been based in Netherlands for some years now, so Italian government authorities no longer receive tax revenues from Juventus. So clearly, Juventus has formidable enemies among UEFA, FIGC and the Italian government. Expect Juventus to continue to suffer - not because they are any more guilty than any other football club - but because they have made the wrong kind of enemies, i.e. the most powerful. They will try and sink Juventus for a long time to come. Anyone who believes that Man City, PSG, Chelsea, RM, Barcelona, Bayern and any number of other clubs, including Italian clubs, are not at least as "guilty" as Juventus of financial manipulation is simply ignorant of finance, law and football.

This is rubbish superficial journalism from people who do not understand finance or law - which is only natural from the sports journalists you sourced your information from. The prime example they focused on, the Pjanic-Arthur deal, was a two way player swap. If Juventus is considered guilty of false accounting and market manipulation, then Barcelona is equally so. It is not mathematically and financially possible for Barcelona to be an innocent party in a two-party transaction without duress. Yet there is no investigation or punishment for Barcelona. Why? The plusvalenza case was just a pretext from Italian regulators in order to get access to Juventus' office and financial records, which is what triggered the Prisma investigation. If the plusvalenza investigation was not valid (which it was not), then the subsequent raid is also not valid, and the evidence collected for the Prisma salary investigation is also highly questionable at least. The reason for these multiple investigations against Juventus is because Agnelli destroyed his relationship with Ceferin (and therefore UEFA) with the European Super League proposal announcement. Review the timeline of the FIGC investigation. Your claims are that this is a bigger part of Italian football and particularly Juventus for a longer time than that, then why the sudden impetus for these investigations against Juventus at precisely that time? They gloss over the initial decision by the Italian FA. Notice how former Inter Milan executives were involved, and one former Inter Milan executive got a promotion into UEFA after the initial Italian FA decision was handed down? They mention the startling speed of the Italian FA decisions. Yes, that is something to remark on. Italy has amongst the slowest judicial processes in all of Europe. Then why this sudden undignified haste to punish Juventus? Clearly UEFA had a lot to do with it, influencing the FIGC to take down Juventus, for a practice that is not just widespread in Italy but throughout the footballing and financial world. (Your point that capital gains are disproportionate to Serie A club revenue as opposed to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga ets is more an indication of Serie A declining revenues than it is about extraordinarily fraudulent capital gains calculations, which in turn makes FIGC more malleable to UEFA machinations). Other than FIGC's own financial troubles and the decline of Serie A revenues and footballing brand making them vulnerable to UEFA manipulation, what else would motivate the FIGC to do this kind of self sabotage to their Serie A brand? A few reasons. Inter Milan, who were actually guilty of sporting fraud in the calciopoli scandal but were able to successfully avoid providing their audio transcripts to investigators within the limitation period, (read: have sufficient internal Italian political influence), are well motivated to bring down Juventus. Addit Additionally, Exor (Juventus' parent company) has now been based in Netherlands for some years now, so Italian government authorities no longer receive tax revenues from Juventus. So clearly, Juventus has formidable enemies among UEFA, FIGC and the Italian government. Expect Juventus to continue to suffer - not because they are any more guilty than any other football club - but because they have made the wrong kind of enemies, i.e. the most powerful. They will try and sink Juventus for a long time to come. Anyone who believes that Man City, PSG, Chelsea, RM, Barcelona, Bayern and any number of other clubs, including Italian clubs, are not at least as "guilty" as Juventus of financial manipulation is simply ignorant of finance, law and football.

“Ahn-yeh-li” is more accurate

Ridiculous. This is rubbish superficial journalism from people who do not understand finance or law - which is only natural from the sports journalists you sourced your information from. The prime example they focused on, the Pjanic-Arthur deal, was a two way player swap. If Juventus is considered guilty of false accounting and market manipulation, then Barcelona is equally so. It is not mathematically and financially possible for Barcelona to be an innocent party in a two-party transaction without duress. Yet there is no investigation or punishment for Barcelona. Why? The plusvalenza case was just a pretext from Italian regulators in order to get access to Juventus' office and financial records, which is what triggered the Prisma investigation. If the plusvalenza investigation was not valid (which it was not), then the subsequent raid is also not valid, and the evidence collected for the Prisma salary investigation is also highly questionable at least. The reason for these multiple investigations against Juventus is because Agnelli destroyed his relationship with Ceferin (and therefore UEFA) with the European Super League proposal announcement. Review the timeline of the FIGC investigation. Your claims are that this is a bigger part of Italian football and particularly Juventus for a longer time than that, then why the sudden impetus for these investigations against Juventus at precisely that time? They gloss over the initial decision by the Italian FA. Notice how former Inter Milan executives were involved, and one former Inter Milan executive got a promotion into UEFA after the initial Italian FA decision was handed down? They mention the startling speed of the Italian FA decisions. Yes, that is something to remark on. Italy has amongst the slowest judicial processes in all of Europe. Then why this sudden undignified haste to punish Juventus? Clearly UEFA had a lot to do with it, influencing the FIGC to take down Juventus, for a practice that is not just widespread in Italy but throughout the footballing and financial world. (Your point that capital gains are disproportionate to Serie A club revenue as opposed to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga ets is more an indication of Serie A declining revenues than it is about extraordinarily fraudulent capital gains calculations, which in turn makes FIGC more malleable to UEFA machinations). Other than FIGC's own financial troubles and the decline of Serie A revenues and footballing brand making them vulnerable to UEFA manipulation, what else would motivate the FIGC to do this kind of self sabotage to their Serie A brand? A few reasons. Inter Milan, who were actually guilty of sporting fraud in the calciopoli scandal but were able to successfully avoid providing their audio transcripts to investigators within the limitation period, (read: have sufficient internal Italian political influence), are well motivated to bring down Juventus. Addit Additionally, Exor (Juventus' parent company) has now been based in Netherlands for some years now, so Italian government authorities no longer receive tax revenues from Juventus. So clearly, Juventus has formidable enemies among UEFA, FIGC and the Italian government. Expect Juventus to continue to suffer - not because they are any more guilty than any other football club - but because they have made the wrong kind of enemies, i.e. the most powerful. They will try and sink Juventus for a long time to come. Anyone who believes that Man City, PSG, Chelsea, RM, Barcelona, Bayern and any number of other clubs, including Italian clubs, are not at least as "guilty" as Juventus of financial manipulation is simply ignorant of finance, law and football.

This is rubbish journalism from people who do not understand finance or law - which is only natural from the sports journalists you sourced your information from. Don't be swayed by it. The prime example they focused on, the Pjanic-Arthur deal, was a two way player swap. If Juventus is considered guilty of false accounting and market manipulation, then Barcelona is equally so. It is not mathematically and financially possible for Barcelona to be an innocent party in a two-party transaction without duress. Yet there is no investigation or punishment for Barcelona. Why? The plusvalenza case was just a pretext from Italian regulators in order to get access to Juventus' office and financial records, which is what triggered the Prisma investigation. If the plusvalenza investigation was not valid (which it was not), then the subsequent raid is also not valid, and the evidence collected for the Prisma salary investigation is also highly questionable at least. The reason for these multiple investigations against Juventus is because Agnelli destroyed his relationship with Ceferin (and therefore UEFA) with the European Super League proposal announcement. Review the timeline of the FIGC investigation. Your claims are that this is a bigger part of Italian football and particularly Juventus for a longer time than that, then why the sudden impetus for these investigations against Juventus at precisely that time? They gloss over the initial decision by the Italian FA. Notice how former Inter Milan executives were involved, and one former Inter Milan executive got a promotion into UEFA after the initial Italian FA decision was handed down? They mention the startling speed of the Italian FA decisions. Yes, that is something to remark on. Italy has amongst the slowest judicial processes in all of Europe. Then why this sudden undignified haste to punish Juventus? Clearly UEFA had a lot to do with it, influencing the FIGC to take down Juventus, for a practice that is not just widespread in Italy but throughout the footballing and financial world. (Your point that capital gains are disproportionate to Serie A club revenue as opposed to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga ets is more an indication of Serie A declining revenues than it is about extraordinarily fraudulent capital gains calculations, which in turn makes FIGC more malleable to UEFA machinations). Other than FIGC's own financial troubles and the decline of Serie A revenues and footballing brand making them vulnerable to UEFA manipulation, what else would motivate the FIGC to do this kind of self sabotage to their Serie A brand? A few reasons. Inter Milan, who were actually guilty of sporting fraud in the calciopoli scandal but were able to successfully avoid providing their audio transcripts to investigators within the limitation period, (read: have sufficient internal Italian political influence), are well motivated to bring down Juventus. Addit Additionally, Exor (Juventus' parent company) has now been based in Netherlands for some years now, so Italian government authorities no longer receive tax revenues from Juventus. So clearly, Juventus has formidable enemies among UEFA, FIGC and the Italian government. Expect Juventus to continue to suffer - not because they are any more guilty than any other football club - but because they have made the wrong kind of enemies, i.e. the most powerful. They will try and sink Juventus for a long time to come. Anyone who believes that Man City, PSG, Chelsea, RM, Barcelona, Bayern and any number of other clubs, including Italian clubs, are not at least as "guilty" as Juventus of financial manipulation is simply ignorant of finance, law and football.

Nobody said amortization is bad, as you said it is legally required. What is bad though is selling 10+ players at inflated values in order to fake your finances.

@@xH2OHx the problem is indeed determining the salesvalue of such an intangible asset. Also the fact that sales can't be periodized. The taxman wants to delay your costs over years delaying the reducing your taxes by smaller margins over time, but wants taxes on your player sales profit right now.

@@F-Tier_Physique Where Juventus is illegal is to have purely and simply rigged its accounts by inventing sums of money. When Juve and Barça make the Pjanic-Arthur deal, they invent 60 million euros that never existed to inflate their accounts. This is not an eligible expenditure/money inflow because it has never actually flowed between the two clubs. Buying something overpriced is completely legal. But inflating (or on the contrary, decreasing) the price artificially because of a conflict of interest between the seller and the buyer is illegal.

@@xH2OHx Then why are the clubs on the other side of these transactions not punished? Or do you not understand double entry accounting and contract law? This is rubbish superficial journalism from people who do not understand finance or law - which is only natural from the sports journalists you sourced your information from. The prime example they focused on, the Pjanic-Arthur deal, was a two way player swap. If Juventus is considered guilty of false accounting and market manipulation, then Barcelona is equally so. It is not mathematically and financially possible for Barcelona to be an innocent party in a two-party transaction without duress. Yet there is no investigation or punishment for Barcelona. Why? The plusvalenza case was just a pretext from Italian regulators in order to get access to Juventus' office and financial records, which is what triggered the Prisma investigation. If the plusvalenza investigation was not valid (which it was not), then the subsequent raid is also not valid, and the evidence collected for the Prisma salary investigation is also highly questionable at least. The reason for these multiple investigations against Juventus is because Agnelli destroyed his relationship with Ceferin (and therefore UEFA) with the European Super League proposal announcement. Review the timeline of the FIGC investigation. Your claims are that this is a bigger part of Italian football and particularly Juventus for a longer time than that, then why the sudden impetus for these investigations against Juventus at precisely that time? They gloss over the initial decision by the Italian FA. Notice how former Inter Milan executives were involved, and one former Inter Milan executive got a promotion into UEFA after the initial Italian FA decision was handed down? They mention the startling speed of the Italian FA decisions. Yes, that is something to remark on. Italy has amongst the slowest judicial processes in all of Europe. Then why this sudden undignified haste to punish Juventus? Clearly UEFA had a lot to do with it, influencing the FIGC to take down Juventus, for a practice that is not just widespread in Italy but throughout the footballing and financial world. (Your point that capital gains are disproportionate to Serie A club revenue as opposed to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga ets is more an indication of Serie A declining revenues than it is about extraordinarily fraudulent capital gains calculations, which in turn makes FIGC more malleable to UEFA machinations). Other than FIGC's own financial troubles and the decline of Serie A revenues and footballing brand making them vulnerable to UEFA manipulation, what else would motivate the FIGC to do this kind of self sabotage to their Serie A brand? A few reasons. Inter Milan, who were actually guilty of sporting fraud in the calciopoli scandal but were able to successfully avoid providing their audio transcripts to investigators within the limitation period, (read: have sufficient internal Italian political influence), are well motivated to bring down Juventus. Addit Additionally, Exor (Juventus' parent company) has now been based in Netherlands for some years now, so Italian government authorities no longer receive tax revenues from Juventus. So clearly, Juventus has formidable enemies among UEFA, FIGC and the Italian government. Expect Juventus to continue to suffer - not because they are any more guilty than any other football club - but because they have made the wrong kind of enemies, i.e. the most powerful. They will try and sink Juventus for a long time to come. Anyone who believes that Man City, PSG, Chelsea, RM, Barcelona, Bayern and any number of other clubs, including Italian clubs, are not at least as "guilty" as Juventus of financial manipulation is simply ignorant of finance, law and football.

Everything in Italy is this same chaotic mess, so a reset would have no impact if Italians are still in charge.

​@@ThreeRunHomer bro premier league clubs do this but the league won't touch them as they make money

premier league clubs do this but the league won't touch them as they make money

Corruption hate corruption

Cause they are in a different country and it is up to Spain to do anything about them which they have not

because they are not in italy

@@trioxralnn9515 I know that, what I meant was La Liga not running an investigation is absurd

@@trioxralnn9515 That's not the only reason buddy. This is rubbish superficial journalism from people who do not understand finance or law - which is only natural from the sports journalists they sourced their information from. The prime example they focused on, the Pjanic-Arthur deal, was a two way player swap. If Juventus is considered guilty of false accounting and market manipulation, then Barcelona is equally so. It is not mathematically and financially possible for Barcelona to be an innocent party in a two-party transaction without duress. Yet there is no investigation or punishment for Barcelona. Why? The plusvalenza case was just a pretext from Italian regulators in order to get access to Juventus' office and financial records, which is what triggered the Prisma investigation. If the plusvalenza investigation was not valid (which it was not), then the subsequent raid is also not valid, and the evidence collected for the Prisma salary investigation is also highly questionable at least. The reason for these multiple investigations against Juventus is because Agnelli destroyed his relationship with Ceferin (and therefore UEFA) with the European Super League proposal announcement. Review the timeline of the FIGC investigation. Your claims are that this is a bigger part of Italian football and particularly Juventus for a longer time than that, then why the sudden impetus for these investigations against Juventus at precisely that time? They gloss over the initial decision by the Italian FA. Notice how former Inter Milan executives were involved, and one former Inter Milan executive got a promotion into UEFA after the initial Italian FA decision was handed down? They mention the startling speed of the Italian FA decisions. Yes, that is something to remark on. Italy has amongst the slowest judicial processes in all of Europe. Then why this sudden undignified haste to punish Juventus? Clearly UEFA had a lot to do with it, influencing the FIGC to take down Juventus, for a practice that is not just widespread in Italy but throughout the footballing and financial world. (Your point that capital gains are disproportionate to Serie A club revenue as opposed to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga ets is more an indication of Serie A declining revenues than it is about extraordinarily fraudulent capital gains calculations, which in turn makes FIGC more malleable to UEFA machinations). Other than FIGC's own financial troubles and the decline of Serie A revenues and footballing brand making them vulnerable to UEFA manipulation, what else would motivate the FIGC to do this kind of self sabotage to their Serie A brand? A few reasons. Inter Milan, who were actually guilty of sporting fraud in the calciopoli scandal but were able to successfully avoid providing their audio transcripts to investigators within the limitation period, (read: have sufficient internal Italian political influence), are well motivated to bring down Juventus. Addit Additionally, Exor (Juventus' parent company) has now been based in Netherlands for some years now, so Italian government authorities no longer receive tax revenues from Juventus. So clearly, Juventus has formidable enemies among UEFA, FIGC and the Italian government. Expect Juventus to continue to suffer - not because they are any more guilty than any other football club - but because they have made the wrong kind of enemies, i.e. the most powerful. They will try and sink Juventus for a long time to come. Anyone who believes that Man City, PSG, Chelsea, RM, Barcelona, Bayern and any number of other clubs, including Italian clubs, are not at least as "guilty" as Juventus of financial manipulation is simply ignorant of finance, law and football.

He said last year he would become a generalist football channel, FM is on his twitch still. How did you love this channel but not watch that video? Lmao

@@Mebsuta I like the fm staff dont watch other

Exactly, which begs the question as to why Juventus have been targetted. This is rubbish superficial journalism from people who do not understand finance or law - which is only natural from the sports journalists they sourced their information from. The prime example they focused on, the Pjanic-Arthur deal, was a two way player swap. If Juventus is considered guilty of false accounting and market manipulation, then Barcelona is equally so. It is not mathematically and financially possible for Barcelona to be an innocent party in a two-party transaction without duress. Yet there is no investigation or punishment for Barcelona. Why? The plusvalenza case was just a pretext from Italian regulators in order to get access to Juventus' office and financial records, which is what triggered the Prisma investigation. If the plusvalenza investigation was not valid (which it was not), then the subsequent raid is also not valid, and the evidence collected for the Prisma salary investigation is also highly questionable at least. The reason for these multiple investigations against Juventus is because Agnelli destroyed his relationship with Ceferin (and therefore UEFA) with the European Super League proposal announcement. Review the timeline of the FIGC investigation. Your claims are that this is a bigger part of Italian football and particularly Juventus for a longer time than that, then why the sudden impetus for these investigations against Juventus at precisely that time? They gloss over the initial decision by the Italian FA. Notice how former Inter Milan executives were involved, and one former Inter Milan executive got a promotion into UEFA after the initial Italian FA decision was handed down? They mention the startling speed of the Italian FA decisions. Yes, that is something to remark on. Italy has amongst the slowest judicial processes in all of Europe. Then why this sudden undignified haste to punish Juventus? Clearly UEFA had a lot to do with it, influencing the FIGC to take down Juventus, for a practice that is not just widespread in Italy but throughout the footballing and financial world. (Your point that capital gains are disproportionate to Serie A club revenue as opposed to EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga ets is more an indication of Serie A declining revenues than it is about extraordinarily fraudulent capital gains calculations, which in turn makes FIGC more malleable to UEFA machinations). Other than FIGC's own financial troubles and the decline of Serie A revenues and footballing brand making them vulnerable to UEFA manipulation, what else would motivate the FIGC to do this kind of self sabotage to their Serie A brand? A few reasons. Inter Milan, who were actually guilty of sporting fraud in the calciopoli scandal but were able to successfully avoid providing their audio transcripts to investigators within the limitation period, (read: have sufficient internal Italian political influence), are well motivated to bring down Juventus. Addit Additionally, Exor (Juventus' parent company) has now been based in Netherlands for some years now, so Italian government authorities no longer receive tax revenues from Juventus. So clearly, Juventus has formidable enemies among UEFA, FIGC and the Italian government. Expect Juventus to continue to suffer - not because they are any more guilty than any other football club - but because they have made the wrong kind of enemies, i.e. the most powerful. They will try and sink Juventus for a long time to come. Anyone who believes that Man City, PSG, Chelsea, RM, Barcelona, Bayern and any number of other clubs, including Italian clubs, are not at least as "guilty" as Juventus of financial manipulation is simply ignorant of finance, law and football.

Juventus fans are the funniest. “Our club is pure as snow! The entire board quit because… because… IT’S NOT AN ADMISSION OF GUILT!” 😂

@@ThreeRunHomer is your reply specific to anything I said in my comment? Or are you just trolling?

@@aldobonaso3481 So, what are you trying to say exactly? That all of this is just a setup to make Juventus look bad, and that they haven't done anything wrong?

​@@aldobonaso3481when they have nothing this is what they say