Kaii Yoshida - Japanese Penholder (Traditional Penholder) 

i think so, too

Not really, it takes a lot of training to get an adequate footwork to win a match, I think Ma lin's skills are really useful because amateur players are uaually weak in receiving service.

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Lmao what does that mean

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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Harimoto is the most loquacious and verbally lit athlete in table tennis 😂😂

JazzaManga yes

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@Kai Nakrit Xu Xin uses RPB, not a traditional penhold with 1 side rubber, and he plays like a shakehand player.

So sad that new generation dislike penhold grip, but I know it's easier to learn shakehand grip. I try to teach my son the penhold grip 😅

@@fiatakarudin1239 It is good for the local TT community to have different variety of players. But beware of how to hold the penhold grip correctly. I have to say more than 50% of the recreational penholders don't have the correct grip.

@@benthekeeshond545 Teach me your ways

He was not using that side of the racket. That piece of tape or something is either to prevent scraping holes or to minimize slips.

Henry, There were many penholders with a much better traditional backhand. Can we recall Ryu Seung Min, a contemporary of Yoshida, Wang Hao, and Ma Lin?

@@benthekeeshond545 of course, no one penholder matches XX.

@@henrytan5707 Xu Xin is a very good player but his TT accomplishment pales compared to Ma Lin, Wang Hao, and Liu Guo Liang. Perhaps you are too young and I am not sure you watched TT from the 1970s, 1980s, and the 1990s.

@@benthekeeshond545 Better to say best TPB loop.

Better even yet, I switched to the RVP grip at 65 from the rediculous 'Dan Seemiller grip' and got the backhand of my dreams (for my level of course) I pattern my style after Wang Hao.

Kim was stronger with his forehand. Ma Lin and Ryu Seung Min are the equals of Kim. People tend to forget players of older generations. Guo Yue Hua and Mitsuru Kohno were WTTC Single World Champions. Both Guo and Kohno were pen-holders and ranked as all-time greats or at least the best in the world for several years.

@@benthekeeshond545 guess yue and mitsuro both are jpen grip holder player?

@@sumandas9487 No, Guo Yue Hua is a Chinese-style penholder and Kohno is a Japanese-style penholder. While they were playing professionally, both had very good footwork and both players loved to attack the ball on the ascend. Even though Guo had better serves but I think Kohno was more complete as a player because he had a very good backhand. Both players were the exact opposite of Harimoto. They were very calm and showed limited emotions.

@@benthekeeshond545 jpen hold style is good or ch pen hold style is good? ma lin, lin guoling, using forehand side as back hand? then xu xin and wang hao using which style?

@@sumandas9487 The Chinese or Japanese penholders are the same except for the shape of the paddle. I believe the Japanese blade produces faster straight away velocity but not as spinny as the Chinese blade. I strongly believe good or bad completely depends on who is using it. The 4 players you mentioned are penholders and all 4 are capable of using the reverse backhand loop or RPB. Wang Hao is the best with his backhand and I have never seen him used the traditional push from his backhand side. Wang Hao has no backhand weakness. Ma Lin uses push blocks and the RPB. However, his backhand loop is not as strong as that of Wang Hao. In his career, most of his defeats came against players that were able to take advantage of his weaker side, his backhand. Liu Guo Liang was one of the first Chinese national players to use the RPB but he was never good at it. Basically, Liu was a traditional penholder and push block with his backhand. Xu Xin began as a traditional penholder and only push block with his backhand. He picked up the RPB after he joined the Chinese National Team. As of now, I think he almost entirely adapts to the RPB. But unlike Wang Hao, Xu's backhand is still his achilles. If using the penhold-grip, the first and most important start is to correctly hold the blade. I mean both forehand and backhand. Consult with a competent TT coach if you plan to use the penhold-grip. From my personal observation, more than 50% of recreational penholders don't grip their rackets efficiently.

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Not as strong as Fan Zhendong, Zhang Jike, Ovtcharov or Kreanga but for a traditional penholder very strong

When they touch the table, sure. But like that, you cant really generate the spin that a shakehand player can generate. Thus your balls lack safety and your backhand just isnt as reliable

Ethan Gaming Production *some shakehand players

What about the Seemiller Grip?

Xu xin is better

Right

World TT tend to forget the great Japanese players. The one I admire most is Mitsuru Kohno.

sponge, for his fingers to feel comfortable at the back of the bat.

Shane Lawson The guy designed to replicate Ryu Seung Min was Wang Jianjun

I don't think the Chinese then worried too much about Ryu. Ryu's winning % against the Chinese players is more likely 20% or less. His Olympic Gold Medal against Wang Hao was the only victory out of, don't remember, 12+ matches. I am sure he did not do well against Ma Lin either.

It's TABLE TENNIS, you must be a garage player.

@@bobmalack481 it's called ping pong in Chinese. No self-respecting Chinese calls it table tennis.

@@stevew3978 If you spoke Mandarin Chinese I doubt you would actually say 'Ping pong' prove me wrong. Don't be a garage player. Pickleball, another Dufus name for a 'sport'

@@bobmalack481 Sorry, I don't understand what the heck you're trying to say. Did you mean to say, "You're (not Your!) a millennial (not millinial) garage player?" I guess you must have meant it as an insult to me, but it didn't quite work. I'm too old for that.

@@stevew3978 O.K...in the national Chinese language (Mandarin) report back to me if they actually pronounce the sport in their tongue 'ping pong', then I'll go on the web on learning foriegn languages and confirm your claim..I'll wait.

yes he born in HeBei, China and had training in China until 17 years old. Thats why he use Chinese pen.

Yes... but hits with one side only.

xu xin has rpb. but kaii is traditional penholder no rpb.

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