KARATE, AIKIDO & NINJUTSU VERSUS A WILD HAYMAKER PUNCH

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We asked six instructors from Kyokushin Karate, Shotokan Karate, Aikido and Ninjutsu to share some ideas on how they might react versus the classic "haymaker" punch (with detail, as the mat was mainly beginners). Please comment as it will be interesting to hear your ideas, not just criticism. Remember, this was a seminar, not a street fight!
In order of appearance:
KARATE (SHOTOKAN / GOJU RYU) | Michael Rutt, Melbourne
AIKIDO | Marcus Encel, Pure Aikido, Melbourne www.pureaikido.com
NINJUTSU | Dennis Allan, Tendo Bushi Ninjutsu, Melbourne
AIKIDO | Dunken Francis, Aikido Silverdale www.AikidoAuckand.co.nz
KARATE (KYOKUSHIN) | Stef Jaques, Iku Auckland
AIKIDO | Clyde Suttom Musubi Ryu, Hamilton www.aikidomusubiryu.nz/
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@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 4 года назад

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@shellyad100 3 года назад

I've just been reading through some of the comments.No need for the negative stuff and arguing about what works and doesn't work.when it comes down to a street fight you just do what works for you.I believe all martial arts have a lot to offer.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

Absolutely. We are trying to encourage people to share and swap ideas rather that anonymously criticise, whit does nobody any good including the commenter.

@hattorihanzo3688 4 года назад

I like the cultural and systematic approaches all shared openly with good heart.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

Thank you

@michaeltinghitella8839 4 года назад

Love these videos of different martial arts perspectives. Thumbs up

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 4 года назад

Thanks Michael it's what our organisation is all about, unfortunately we only all get together a few time a year as we are spread around the world. Thanks for the support and do t forget to subscribe so you get a heads up as we post more information

@BelloBudo007 3 года назад

Loved there friendly, respectful sharing of ideas. Kind hearts.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

It was a seminar of mainly beginners so everyone kept it simple, but yes the mutual support on show was wonderful

@johnnylawrence9329 3 года назад

It's fantastic to see the different approaches here and also recognize a lot from other martial arts. Some techniques might not always seem as effective as others so it is up for the student to take what is useful, train and adapt those techniques until they become like reflexes and discard the rest. The "bock counter with one hand" I happened to learn in Pencak Silat and that was influenced by western boxing. Today I see it here demonstrated by a Shotokan instructor, that's just awesome.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

thank you

@CarlaCasteneda Год назад

This is a really cool cencept, I've been enjoying these a lot ty

@Clarity2020Australia 4 года назад

Really interesting to see the variations on approach - I'd just run lol

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

LOL

@AndrewUKLondon 9 месяцев назад

Love seeing these comparision videos for different situations- it's mind opening and informative. A punch to the sternum, or the solar plexus especially, can knock the wind out of pretty much anyone without it being as potentially harmful as an attack to the throat. And a hand raising up the chin and going over the head to break balance can be very effective too. I thought for a moment that the ninjutsu instructor was going to punch the attacker in the privates.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 9 месяцев назад

And why not indeed I'd appropriate to the situation!? :)

@Martialarts1on1 3 года назад

Cool video guys. Great to see the differant approaches!!

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

Thank you. Thats the entire reason this channel exists, to swap ideas!.

@kevinsimmons1233 3 года назад

Love seeing all of the different disciplines and their particular approaches. Very refreshing videos that let the viewer decide what they like best. Also, will be fun to take several of these techniques into the Dojo this week and see what we come up with?!

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

Of all the comments we've ever had, yours is nearest to what we hoped for back when we started the channel, thank you Kevin

@kevinsimmons1233 3 года назад

@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE We practice Chendokan Aikido & Aikijitsu at our small dojo. Our Sensei has always made it clear that we are not creating "robots" where we are all the same. Rather, he stresses that we take what we learn and make it our own. He is a big proponent of looking at the other Arts and incorporating pieces of them into our discipline. His philosophy is quite simple; the more tools you have in your tool belt the better you can defend yourself. Again, love what you are doing and I will be watching more of your videos, thank you for having an open mind, not something you see often in the Martial Arts world.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

@@kevinsimmons1233 Absolutely! Why wouldnt you learn as much as possible?

@BoomBoomDeluxe 4 года назад

the "I've had too much to drink" attack..

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 4 года назад

unfortunately very true

@instanttherapy 3 месяца назад

Eight years before the creation of RU-vid, which was invented July of 2005, being a martial artist myself, I went to a dozen masters I have known over the years and said exactly the same thing, three different responses to one main attack. I said we can publish the video for sale in Black Belt magazine. No master wanted to make a video because they said there was no money in it for them. Bong Soo Han, Joon Rhee, Fumio Demura, Kam Yuen (k fu), and a few others I've forgotten. Now, screw them.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 месяца назад

Lol. We've had the same response on occasion...

@nikosskeptikos6295 2 года назад

superb video

@abimullett7326 Год назад

Very cool

@rickdangerfield1183 4 года назад

Really liked the last ninjutsu throw very cool

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 4 года назад

lots of good stuff in there.

@craigcarroll1790 3 года назад

The last throw was gyokushin tyus I think since it involved a sacrifice throw

@craigcarroll1790 3 года назад

The others were more gyokko ryun and takagi yoshin ryu blended

@theantihero636 3 года назад

Ninjutsu counter attacks are indeed unpredictable.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

From what I saw it was basically aiki jujutsu but obviously put within a ninpo framework

@theantihero636 3 года назад

@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE they obviously shared similar principles in the past, and furthermore evolved into separate disciplines.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

@@theantihero636 and each practitioner brigs their own experience too. Everything is basically the same on one level or another, we are all bipeds, it cant be THAT different.

@joeguillaume296 4 года назад

Nice techniques. There's joint locks and takedowns in kyokushin? Can you do double leg takedown defense?

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 4 года назад

Yes, on our channel there is a video called "defence against a rugby tackle" have a look.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

@@jahnperez5060 The spelling error was mine - I was trying to edit about a dozen videos after that camp with a chest infection and temperature. in 10 thousand views you are the first to complain though lol.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

@@jahnperez5060 Again, let's see your video of how you would approach it. More than happy to feature it, it's always good to see different opinions; but without that you're just another keyboard warrior.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

@@jahnperez5060 just grab one of your students and make a video on your phone. same attack, show us your take on it. That's what this video was all about the different approaches from a basics stand point from the different martial arts. The more the merrier I say. Unfortunately, the reality of the internet is without some form of demonstration, there is no real reason why anyone should pay attention to anyone else's opinion, if you see what I mean.

@jahnperez5060 3 года назад

@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE yeah, I get your point on that. Valid, agreed. Food for thought, OSU.

@dunkenFrancis 4 года назад

a huge thank you once again to all the instructors who freely shared their knowledge at this camp, no egos and a fantastic reaction from everyone that attended. For more about or organisation that has members from 9 different martial arts in 8 countries instituteofaikido.com/

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 2 года назад

👌👌

@carlbilodeau9163 4 года назад

Aikido - haymakers are perfect for demonstrating sumi otoshi and hiji garuma or ude garuma depending on if I was dealing with the punch when it's starting or when it's about to connect. Judo - I'd probably show a few variations of hip and shoulder throws.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 4 года назад

good solutions!

@BoomBoomDeluxe 4 года назад

you should post a video!

@didierbembozz1340 4 года назад

What about aikinage ?

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 4 года назад

@@didierbembozz1340 another good option

@skywatcher3133 3 года назад

Being a jack of all trades and a master of none, and bearing in mind that the defender's reaction time could be minimal, I have to keep it simple .Hence I'd stick with the first technique shown, the classic upper block + counter strike- probably a palm heel to the chin.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

Nothing wrong with that, most people would probably react similarly I think - this video was to try to show the different core/basic approaches of each art as a comparison rather than how to deal specifically with this attack.

@eyescat1082 3 года назад

Mis disculpas no hablo inglés, pero con todo el respeto a cada uno de los maestros del video, solo quiero decir cómo opinión constructiva que difícilmente se podría aplicar esas técnicas en una situación real, ya que una situación real es muy violenta y cambiante, hay un principio básico en la defensa personal : "menos es más" significa que las técnicas de defensa personal deben ser simples para que sean efectivas, dichas técnicas del video son excelentes para principiantes para que se familiaricen con el tema de la defensa personal e ir depurando la técnica a medida que se va avanzando en la práctica, pero para enseñarle a los alumnos que dichas técnicas "van a funcionar en la calle" es peligroso porque les dará una falsa seguridad en una situación real y por ende los pondrá en un peligro extremo, quien haya peleado realmente alguna vez en su vida lo entenderá. El vídeo es interesante de modo instructivo pero no para creer que eso "es lo que realmente funciona" la razón? Simple : en la calle ningún criminal pondrá las cosas tan fáciles. Mis respetos y saludos a todos los maestros del video.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

esto tenía como objetivo que los niños fueran intimidados / agarrados en la escuela, por lo que lo mantuvimos civilizados a propósito.

@eyescat1082 3 года назад

@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE ahora entiendo, en ese caso el vídeo resultó muy acertado. Gracias por responder mi mensaje, les deseo el mayor de los éxitos profesionales. Saludos cordiales.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

@@eyescat1082 Gracias

@GreaterSapien 3 года назад

I'm sorry, but the average Joe does not throw a "haymaker" with the same leg forward as their punching hand. People stand with their powerful arm back, the opposite leg forward, and TWIST at the waist. So MOST of the counters shown here require the legs to be in a position they generally would never be in during a real fight. That being said, at 1:30, the punch thrown is the most common haymaker one would see and the entry the aikido practitioner makes is well executed and realistic. It's a bit sloppy and heavy on the impact, which is how things REALLY play out and thus is an excellent example.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

The foot position doesnt make much difference, just adjusts the distance slightly. An "the average Joe" will throw all sorts of bizzarre things, you just have t react to what comes. This was kept simple so all the styles had a common starting place to show something from.

@GreaterSapien 3 года назад

@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE I have to disagree about the foot position as that changes where the center of mass falls above the base and the structure through the heel. In addition, while it is obvious you can’t break a leg that isn’t there, less obvious is that fact that a strike from a given position that would weaken the structure of one leg, would only serve to strengthen the structure when applied to the other leg. I understand the desire for a consistent punch for demonstration and maybe the punch at 1:30 was mistakenly thrown because it is the only one thrown from the position most people use to “haymaker”. The others are more common to those in the martial arts traditions. While all the maneuvers are well executed, that one truly reflects a good real world scenario, which is something martial arts are being judged against more and more.

@GreaterSapien 3 года назад

@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE I know this may seem overly critical but I’ve honestly enjoyed your videos and am just looking to open a discussion on effectiveness.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

@@GreaterSapien Not at all and we appreciate you taking the time to comment. This "haymaker" is basically a variant of the commonly used yokomenuchi strike found in most martial arts, hence it seeming a decent point of reference for everyone present. the mat was full of beginners so it was kept simple purposely.

@didierbembozz1340 4 года назад

Aikinage

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 4 года назад

Yes!

@user-mt9pr1lq4v 3 года назад

Who strike like that? Why punch with step? It fantasy, not reality

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

To keep it the same for all the instructors. It's a demonstration of basic principles, not a street fight.

@user-mt9pr1lq4v 3 года назад

@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE then it is a useless technique. Show just a beautiful useless dance? sorry my english

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

@@user-mt9pr1lq4v So you are saying the no-one, ever, swings a wild haymaker like that? You've never worked in a bar then! lol. Maybe google "defence against punches WITHOUT a step" that might make you happier?

@user-mt9pr1lq4v 3 года назад

@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE The problem is with such unrealistic failures in some things. 1 No one hits with the right hand with a step of the right foot. 2 half of the punches in such a way that in the video the fist did not hit the head, the blow was delivered past (distance behind the head). The main problem with such techniques is that at this stage people do not hit the master in the face. Then the master takes a very short step and he is already very close to the opponent, because the opponent immediately hits not in the head, but behind the head.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

@@user-mt9pr1lq4v We are all looking forwards to your video, showing everyone how you would do it.

@jorgemarbur 3 года назад

I am missing the BJJ aproach. I know it would be a double leg take down.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

You know. Maybe this person chose something else. Not everyone is the same.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

.. Or do you mean you watched the entire video but didn't see the BJJ instructor?

@jorgemarbur 3 года назад

@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE on another video it was shown the bjj aproach. I thought it would appear on this video as well.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

@@jorgemarbur You really think there is only ONE BJJ solution to any problem? Obviously, our 30+year, trained in Brazil instructor disagrees with you...

@jorgemarbur 3 года назад

@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE where did I said there is only one solution to any problem? I can think of plenty based on BJJ. But on your videos you are just showing one or two take downs for each martial arts. It could be a clinch and take down, double or single take downs, ankle pick or any of the take downs of John Danaher of his last videos Feet to floor. If I had to pick one for this attack my first option would be double leg take down, but there are many.

@rudyoliva2222 3 года назад

The truth is that these choreographed techniques are not effective in a real situation. You can make any technique look great with a compliant training partner. It all changes when you go against an aggressive person who really intends to hurt you.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

It wasn't a real situation, it was a seminar with a mat full of beginners.

@rudyoliva2222 3 года назад

@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE That is exactly the problem. Ultimately, in a real situation you will revert to your training. If your training doesn't resemble what can really happen, you are setting people up for failure. This is why wrestling, boxing, muay thai and brazillian jiu-jitsu are so effective. If someone throws a "haymaker" and you block then throw that palm heel strike to the abdomen, you're going to get a counter left hook right to the jaw.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

@@rudyoliva2222 This channel is all about sharing information and knowledge. Really looking forwards to sharing your video input on this. Message me when you're ready.

@rudyoliva2222 3 года назад

@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UR7l4pfD3Rw.html

@rudyoliva2222 3 года назад

@@AIKIDOSILVERDALE m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PLP_DInpPHE.html

@Combatinho 3 года назад

I found all of these ineffective and unrealistic. The grab video was better. The shotokan guy in the end had the most unrealistic approach Not one of them demonstrated the fact that an attacker retracts the punch to throw another and never leave their arm hanging out there. I like the concept but this one fell short.

@Clarity2020Australia 3 года назад

... read the description. this wasn't a street fight.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 2 года назад

a demonstration of core principles. not of actual waza. I get your point though, maybe we should made that more clear

@keaganmacgregor2725 3 года назад

Nice to see...but useless in a real fight. No enemie would act like these aggressor in the movie.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

Of course. This obviously wasn't a real fight. It was a group of instructors from different martial arts showing basic responses to a common attack for the benefit of a mat full of beginners.

@yamabushiwarrior996 4 года назад

I'm sorry I can't hold my tongue. This is the second video I have watched from this group of men. The first one on lapel grabs was 100% better. No disrespect but I have been studying martial arts for 35 years and 90% of the hay maker defenses are not very good, not even as a demo. What was the most disappointing was the Ninjutsu application. I am a practitioner of Ninjutsu and what I just saw made me want to bury my head in the sand.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 4 года назад

looking forward to seeing your video showing everyone how to do it "properly"...

@Clarity2020Australia 4 года назад

Everybody has a right to an opinion,that's fine. You big yourself up, 35 years blah blah but without video evidence of you doing something 'better' you're just another keyboard warrior.

@yamabushiwarrior996 4 года назад

@@Clarity2020Australia That's fine; and so it shall be. I still think the one lapel techniques were way better than the over hand strikes. Maybe one day I will do a video. That's not a bad idea.

@yamabushiwarrior996 4 года назад

@@Clarity2020Australia By the way, saying how long I have done it wasn't a "Big-Up". It was to say I know what is effective. Full-Stop.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 4 года назад

Seriously, you should do it. We'd be happy to share it on the channel. The whole purpose of what we do is to "open source" as much knowledge as we can. Message us once you gave something. Thanks

@robertkarp2070 3 года назад

Ninjitsu Master taken out in under 10 seconds in UFC. These slow motion demonstrations are bogus information.

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

What part of the description was hard for you to understand? How, in any way, does this look like a cage fight? We all look forwards to your video showing everyone your expertise...

@sveto8704 3 года назад

Fantasy.

@rickdangerfield1183 3 года назад

So you're arguing with professional martial artists, 3 of which have fought at a high level and 2 with a military background, who gave up their time to show some BASIS to a mat full of beginners. So here's what I think: 1. No-one cares what you think, you pathetic keyboard warrior 2. Can't see any videos of you demonstrating your superior ability and / or knowledge. Go tidy your room before your mom gets angry again...

@AIKIDOSILVERDALE 3 года назад

@@rickdangerfield1183 LMAO. Harsh, but fair.