Mady is like Kate in some ways, I agree. However, I feel like a lot of her actions towards really just symbolize all the stress Kate puts on those kids. When Mady started complaining about Kate being a control freak when they were decorating the party room, it reminded me an awful lot of how Jon used to complain about Kate when she would act this way. Even though the twins have stated they have distance themselves from Jon and don’t want to have anything to do with him, I don’t know if I 100% believe that. I feel like Kate has fed them these horrible lies about their father so that they will stay on her side. But deep down, we can say that Mady & Cara think Kate acts so ridiculous more than half the time because they know what she’s like. Hope they can reunite with Jon in peace again someday and have a better relationship with him when they get older. They were a lot closer to him when they were little, it’s so sad. 😢
Isn't she though? I couldn't stand her when she was 5. And she gets worse the older she gets. I hope that both of the girls choose to get therapy to learn how to interact with each other better otherwise they will eventually live on opposite sides of the country. Which is okay as long as it's what they want and not because they can't stand each other. My twins are like that. They live 1700 miles apart. Ny son doesn't like if but his sister left the entire family
I guess he's in a better place, but maybe he wouldn't have issues if his dad would have never abandoned them in the first place.You have no idea what it's like to have a child with special needs .You don't know if he was hitting or a danger to him self.john got custody of Collin after he was getting treatment for two years.after Kate had fix the problem.kuddos to kate for being a single mom.
nephwills21 Abandoned them?? His harpy of an ex wife boxed them out of his life and then bad mouthed him. It's a classic case of parental alienation. TLC helped her too because Jon didn't want the kids on TV anymore.
Exactly! I could tell it was just BS when she rambled on saying that. She just wanted her “moment of glory” to look good in front of the camera. All you have to do is read that letter Collin wrote to his father to know how awful his mother has treated him. 😔
So I can’t feel hard on her and her kids I mean they can’t speak how he feels because they might not know how he feels you make that statement like you can’t be hard on them yes it could be hard on them and him not being there but they have to carry-on because I like you do have a carry-on because you have other kids to think about and then on top of that you know that’s not fair for them to not sit there and have a party I’m not trying to have a sad day because he’s not there yes that’s probably really hard on him I mean it is probably worse on him he was in there being alone and probably feeling like an outcast but it could be hard on the mom and kids too so don’t make that statement like I can’t be hard on them
Guys come in we don’t know how she feels she loves her children of course she does!! Dam she has a million of them a single mom!! Give her a break she does better than I’m doing ! Lol don’t judge
@@roxanneiamawake4311 She's only a ''single Mom'' because she set children against their father, alienated him and didn't give him legal custody rights just because he didn't want to continue filming.
@@Yt76383 Apparently he didn't need that kind or that degree of help according to John and Collin. Also, Kate didn't just abandon him, she refused to tell his FATHER where her son is and John had to search for Collin for 3 years...
Collin wasn’t doing what Kate expected so she labelled him damaged and sent him away. I am glad that Jon fought for Collin and he’s with his dad now. Hannah too.
I can’t remember but isn’t Collin one with ADHD or ADD because if he does have that then yes that is difficult if you really know any kids that I have it or whatever yes as hard as some hairs on how to handle that and how to sit there and take care of a kid that has it
@@tammiepage6489 oh please i have adhd, and almost every one of my friends has adhd or add, or some mental illness/disability and we are actually the most well behaved in our family. something we bond about. please don’t generalize. you sometimes can’t tell if someone has it. don’t speak on things you don’t really know about, im tired of seeing this stigma around it.
The way her daughters react to immediately saying “don’t yell at me” means their mother has messed them up. That’s why they freak out if their mom doesn’t tell them exactly what to do. The mother is probably super critical and puts what they do or say down. And probably made a lot of choices for them instead of teaching them to make their own.
I need to break it to you but you can’t blame her because at the other day I’ll be the focus is always on the sixth of the children more than her and her sister so that must be hard for her growing up and she’s a teenager that’s what I fucking teach do it I don’t know what’s wrong with people when they do their Colorado because what you were never teenage before and I’m sorry I like a typical teenage girl because they do they get moody and everything else and most teenage girls yes they act like brats and it’s really sad that most people can’t fucking admit that
"She didn't ask for our help, she demanded our help." Sad. I helped my mother whether she asked for it or not. Bratty and spoiled teenagers. "Why are you yelling at me?" I never heard her yell.
Scottishroad35 Scots , Exactly! Like it's gonna kill them to help their mom set up their siblings party, or to do anything their mom tells them, or asks them to do. Their behavior is utterly despicable. Such disrespectful brats.
Poop Poo , Excuse you! I do not need to get over myself, or anything! Nobody was talking about past generations. Duh! bad behavior can be found since the beginning of time. No need to get triggered, but then again you said you've been a brat before....so I guess that's how you talk to everyone? 🤓
Heyitslivv98 No, she said Kate...she's done it on NUMEROUS occasions even as a child when the show was called Jon & Kate plus 8....Kate and Jon used to think it was cute and never corrected her. Now it's metastasized in a negative way.
Yeah she missed the message because she's like "I wasn't yelling". Like okay you weren't literally yelling, that's true. What they were REALLY saying is back the fuck off.
My suspicion as to Collin as that he may be on the Autism spectrum. A house with as much stimulation as this house has with so many kids may very well have been just too much for him. Chances are it was not caught early as he may be more on the high functioning part of the spectrum . As a parent of a child ( now 18 ) who is severely autistic I hear from so many parents and Dr.'s that for higher functioning people on the spectrum it is even more difficult with more kids in the family. They just struggle to fit in and often feel as though they are not the same and struggle to find their place in the group. Behavior issues, self esteem and depression also often become more clear. I am not the biggest fan of Kate's but I do believe as a mother that when Dr.'s and specialist recommend this and that she could not give him the help that he needed any longer in the house I believe it. Love is a wonderful thing for your kids but it does not solve all the problems that kids can have. Medication, Dr's do what they think is best for the patient, sometimes this is a benefit and other times it is not. Not looking for a debate here.
@@jjshimek101 Kate was mean to him go watch the old video of her yelling at him for having fun on the bear. It's not his fault. He would say no. She expected all the kids to listen and follow in line. Kate is crazy!
@@hopebullard460 as mentioned I am not a huge fan of Kate. However, I also am not the parent of 8 kids six being the same age. Her yelling at the kids or to Collin just tells me she is overwhelmed. She stated that she could not meet the needs that Collin needed to address what his special need required. Sending him to a place that specialized in his special need to teach him the tools he will need to manage this sounds like she was following what specialist had recommended. Actually those were her words. Now on the flip side, if she had not followed what the Dr's and specialist had recommended would also have been heavily scrutinized. She was in a no win situation. If Collin had a illness let us say, Cancer and she just kept him home and did not do what he needed people would be in a uproar but because what it sounds like is a mental health issue ( wait....for it....IF it is a spectrum disorder it is medically placed in the category of mental health ) she is judged. Again, I am not a fan of Kate's, but I do believe she did what was recommended and I am sure as a mother it was heart breaking for her.
As a young adult I can call my biological mother by her name, I mean like its on her birth certificate its her name. Not everyone has a mom let alone a good one.
I call bullshit, whatever special program she got him into, she can take him out of for one day for his birthday. That kid is going to feel abandoned and unloved.
Kate is the worst parent ever she scape goated that poor child. And abandoned him. I hope one day he writes a best seller about his evil mother, makes a ton of money and has a good life with a loving family of his own. His childhood is ruined.
I can't imagine getting angry over something so dumb. I was a bratty kid who did things like maddie and honestly punishment never worked. It only made me worse. I realize that some people are easily put in their place but I can only imagine the hell I'd cause if my mom laid a finger on me for calling her by the name her mama gave her. LMAO
I find it INCREDIBLY weird that Collin wasn't even allowed to leave the "place" he's at, even for his birthday. And Kate doesn't even seem really that upset about it. Nor do the kids. Just seems off to me. I also find it saddening to see how the twins ended up the way they did. Everyone always calls them brats but, how did you expect they would ask for attention growing up with all the focus being on 6 toddlers?? I don't blame them one bit but it's clearly effected their development. Needing to scream and complain loud enough to get attention has become a part of their personality unfortunately
FallingSlowly87 they aren't showing there feeling for him leaving so that they aren't thinking about the fact that someone they love and live with is gone they want to be happy with each other (like that happens) and not think about the negativity (that does happen)
My mother and father were both so loving sometimes it doesn’t have to do with anything of an environment, but just our brain chemistry. My parents couldn’t let me out of the place I was for my birthday granted I wasn’t as young I was 17 but it’s still hard. Hard for everyone. It’s not an easy decision to let your kids go.
"Forever single?" Darling, you sound like a high school mean girl, not an adult. I mean, calling children bratty or obnoxious is fine, but insinuating they will never in their life find love just because they aren't fully mature as kids.. Are you that dense? Lol so many teens are like this, if not worse! Only thing is they haven't had their entire lives broadcasted on international television for all to judge. I'm sure you were no angel youself and here you are with your little wedding profile pic...LOL. It is so pathetic and sad when a full grown adult says catty remarks about literal children. Seriously sad.
i think maddie actually meant something else like the way she described "yelling" was her mom talking on a disappointed voice i think she just said yelling because there is no other word for it my sister does that all the time she keeps on saying things like she hates the way i do this no its not the right thing stop but she says it all on a calming voice i also sometimes say that my sister keeps on yelling at me even though she didnt even raise her voice
I know everyone craps on Kate, but she is actually pretty passive with the older girls, if anything it almost seems like they need MORE structure and are super spoiled. Maddy is a brat and she even called Kate "Kate"....hell no, that is so disrespectful. I know Kate is a controlling type A, but as the kids have gotten older I think she noticed that she can't "control" them as much without them retaliating so she just kind of throws her hands up and says "fine, do what you want".
They act just like their mom. I didn’t see blatant disrespect though, just typical teen sarcasm. As my mom used to say they were “smelling themselves”.
She really isn’t if you follow her on insta she actually seems very nice. Reality shows like to give ppl different personalities. Yes she may act mean towards her sibling but like all sibling are mean to each others
Mady and Cara are not bratty teens by the way. They feel controlled and they can’t do anything right. Every time they pick stuff out, mom is like “Oh that’s ugly” or “That’s unacceptable.” Watch the time when Mady and Cara had to get the same thing for each other in a Season 1 episode. Kate was annoyed with Mady because Mady picked out a Bratz doll and Kate called it “ugly.” They also get shut down when they have an opinion to say especially when they feel upset. At the decorations Mady had a great idea and Kate shut her down. It reminded me how Jon was treated.
Here's a list of things that would happen to me if I spoke to my mom like maddi and cara do: 1. Get spanked 2. Phone taken away 3. Probably grounded 4. No respect from my parents 5. Wouldn't be allowed to hang out with friends 6. All of my technology taken away
Juliet the dancer Me 1. Teeth knocked out 2. Searching for them on the floor 3. Holding jaw in place. 4. Begging mom not to call Dad 5. Dad comes home to yell at me 6. Grounded into adulthood 7. Solitary confinement 8. Siblings laughing at My disfigured face
+21 Crybabies plus, I'm never really rude to my parents, every now and than when I'm in a bad mood, I will have an attitude but still I don't get in trouble often. If I got in trouble more often, than the punishment would be worse
It is very sad that Collin has just been sent away and has become an afterthought. How bad off is he that he cannot even come home on a pass to be at his own birthday party.
As someone who also uses "yelling" as a catch-all for "(passive)aggressive/negative/annoyed/belittling commentary", I feel for those two girls. It's difficult to articulate the specific tone/energy of someone's responses to you, especially when you're a teen dealing with a parental figure/adult. It makes it even more of a struggle to communicate than usual, bc you say "stop yelling at me" and the adult responds with "I'm NOT yelling, my voice isn't even raised!" Instead of realising that the kid is trying to say "I need constructive input, not negative input/what you're saying is coming across as being told off" and adjusting their tone/approach to the problem
sndy I think she's just quiet. Her sister was always noisy loud and in everyone's business. And getting most of the attention, that she just got "use to" just being quiet and out of everyone's way.
Kaylia Marie Solares to an extent. Compared to Mady yeah, but all around? nah. whenever Mady eggs on about their mom to the camera Cara's quick af to agree and basically repeat it
Bookworm _25 I mean she has 7 other kids. The kids are old enough to take care of the puppies but having a special needs child is different. We don’t know his circumstances either. Don’t judge too quickly.
@@TheTbabylati Still, how can a mom send their kid away and then stress about a party and puppies. Like get your priorities straight or dont make 8 kids
Kate might not share some really private shameful stuff. Collin might be the psychopath of the family and endanger the others, thus the separation. The chances are high because of the statistics alone.
She literally told her daughter to decorate, the daughter picks a spot for a photo shoot then the mom says no not there I don’t like that there, THEN the daughter is like ok then tell me what you want me to do next and the mom is like um im giving her the options to do what she wants ?!?! Like girl I just watched 4 mins of you talking to your kids and I already want to run away from you. I used to think the older daughter had such a bad attitude but now I watch this back and think to my self that she probably just didn’t want to hear her moms shit anymore
I’m going to go bowling and have my b-day dinner (for my eleventh we went to the rainforest cafe the day after my birthday and for the night of my birthday we went to gramaldies a fancy pizza place in the mall)
I agree. A child should never be sent away for any reason. Even parents of kids with profound disabilities manage to keep them at home with support from visiting specialists. She is making poor excuses, but Jon is also as much responsibme
Ya know I don’t really blame Maddy or cara, if they had a loving calm mom, they would have grown up to be loving, calm, kind people. It’s so obvious from not only the show but their personalities that they did not have the right environment to flourish in. People aren’t just born assholes, they’re raised.
It's funny because Kate (at least on tv) is explaining why she makes sure she doesn't yell, so she says it in a quiet voice, but for the kids they know their mom, and so to them since they know she has yelled, the voice/tone "to them" not any of us, she uses is probably equally emotionally upsetting and because they feel like this, they call it yelling (even though she isn't), I think they should talk about different ways of communicating so that they can be more aware of this, thought because they're kids, it would take awhile but still might help. I do think Kate is doing one heck of job raising this many children! :-)
Yesss I was thinking the same. Like I know when my mom is mad even when it's not super apparent to people around us. Maybe this comment section is full of people who lack awareness lol. Cause geez. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
This video must’ve been taken when Collin was “sent away”! It’s horrible for what Kate did to him! But I am glad that Jon was able to track him down and invite him to come live with him! Sorry for using him more than twice!
I'm so glad Kate wasn't my mother, I would of came out wayyyy different. She blames Collin for needing individual attention and needs. Watching older episodes even as babies Hannah was parentified as his mother.
Kate shipped him to some "behavioral school" to "help him with his attitude and learn skills", but never bothered to visit him. He has since left the school and Jon has custody of him and Hannah. Kate didn't even bothering showing up at court for the custody of Collin or anything. I'm honestly not sure how Hannah wound up with Jon, but her and Collin seem happier.
I have seven kids, and I would feel like such a failure if mine acted as selfish, whiny, and unloving towards their siblings. I constantly feel like umm not a good enough mom, or that I'm messing up. Watching this makes me so thankful and proud of my kiddos. Since when does being a teenager mean you're a whiny selfish snot? I don't blame them though, they've had a narcissist raising them. And poor Collin. I've never seen him act unnaturally difficult, he's a great kid.
