I feel like a lot of artists like Katy Perry are trying too hard to relate to younger generations so it comes off as try hard and disingenuous. Katy Perry is so talented and creative and I know she could come out with hits but I agree with the take that she just seems removed from the music she’s releasing. I remember when Part of Me came out and you could TELL that Katy Perry was in it. You can’t feel that now.
Right. Stuff that I grew up on or ish I thought I related to or do, I do feel like it's an age thing. Your whole youth, all you're doing is trying to find yourself. What you like & what you don't, all that stuff. So I get but also don't get why ppl think u gotta find other stuff you're not always used to. First off, I'm an actual 90s kid. My stuff's all over the place to begin with. I really couldn't be anymore messy. Nor do I have the complete attention span or time. But In my 40s now, & finding out what some of those ppl r really like is shivers, like yuck! Or what a complete crap human...! Anything I'm gonna be listening to now is u know, prob "old ppl typical stuff." idk I'm still gonna be listening to my days angst but listening to a younger person's/young minded... angst is like uh I do believe you got even waaaaay more to go. bc u haven't seen ish yet .../ Also I do listen to some younger folks stuff though. Maybe not as often but I do. I guess nevermind then bc I guess that's double standards. 🤷🏻♀️ Id compare her to like bet midler? 🥴 But she's no BM. Like ... Did u know Madonna was my first tape... At 5?! She sure was. ___ wait mc comes a bit relative to this topic tho 🤭. 🤔🤷🏻♀️ Mc was controversial for those days & I think that's all I really thought about as far as her, & her artist direction. Aesthetics, style wever
@@teri2920preach the gospel, it shows most people didn’t actually listen to the album and are equating a bad era to a bad album, when that isn’t always the case
Ironically I could easily see Mariah Carey having another comeback but I don’t see that ever happening with Katy. Everyone still loves mariah. Most people have moved on from Katy.
@@fattiesunite2288 Everyone loves Mariah because her music has been passed down from generation to generation. She is one of the best-selling and most acclaimed artists. She is at the point where she doesn't need to prove anything to anyone, her impact on the industry and most importantly her MUSIC make her a literal legend, and the same cannot be said about Katy Perry.
@@yourlittlebrotherGabrielReview Katy did said that after she releases dance pop album (which is 143), she want to release acoustic album next which should be KP7. I feel like we might get Joanne era or maybe even Katy Hudson (pre-debut) from Katy instead.
It’s like, is it even her? Were these outfits and the vibes really her? She’s got the attitude of someone that did whatever they needed to do to be successful. But not in a good way .
I mean tbh her teenage dream era she was only dressing crazy cause Gaga was. Same with all the other pop girls. Every label wanted their version of Gaga. But the thing about Gaga is that her wardrobe had an artistic purpose; performance art and storytelling. The other girls were just trying to be shocking for attention. The new Katy album wasn’t that bad. I just think that people don’t care anymore and she makes it easy to be disliked.
I'm so glad you brought up One of The Boys and how it's interesting she never went back to that sound. That album is my favourite of hers, personally, purely because of that earnest ruggedness. Waking up in Vegas is still a banger and Thinking of You is an insanely good display of her songwriting (and vocals imo!!) at her best.
One of the Boys was quite literally the blueprint for Sabrina Carpenter’s current success and it drives me crazy that she didn’t tap into it for this album
@@hochoa96 Yes!!! As soon as I heard Dumb & Poetic it reminded me of a more politically correct version of Ur So Gay and I could totally picture Sabrina singing something like Peacock haha
I think it was an honest exploration of feminism by katy Perry. That it didn't hit the mark not because she thought her fans were dumb, but because she herself doesn't understand the topics she wants to talk about.
Feel like she just doesn’t care much anymore.. the album was doomed from the start due to you know whose involvement, but she’s capable of so much more. Just seems like the effort and interest wasn’t there
It feels like a lot of the veterans don’t care anymore… like it’s just the new girls and Taylor (and Gaga who usually goes all in) while everyone else is slowly filtering themselves out
Something I wasn't a fan of was the album cover for 143, since it feels too reminiscent of "Smile." Otherwise, I like 143 a little better. "Smile" was great, but familiar, while 143 sounds like it has newer sounds for her.
Smile was the last album of hers that I really liked. I tried listening to this new album today and the songs are just so boring, no spectacular vocals, very empty and vapid imo. The production is also horrible.
Listen, there's some artists that you do not disrespect, Mimi and Britney are among those. The day Katy said that about Mariah, it all started going down.
Her van performance is by far her best. I’ve always said she struggled to sing live in a way that relates vocally to the studio versions. She proved me wrong with the vma’s
@@sabrinarodrigues629age has nothing to do with it. Thanks to streaming, the musical landscape is changing so fast. We’ve gone from trap to alternative-pop to Latin / Reggaeton to 80s to 90s house to country & now house music is making a comeback, all within like a 5 year span. Katy Perry thrived when pop / dance pop was huge from like 2009-2015 but that’s not the case anymore. When you’re this far into your career, you shouldn’t be chart chasing anymore but evolving your sound. But it seems like she’s trying to get those 5 #1 hits again & it’s not working so it’s making everything off this album rollout look dated.
Are we really going to use that excuse now…? Her contemporaries are still at the top of their game (Gaga, Taylor, and Riri). What’s Katy’s excuse to still not be at the top??
@@justforfunhaha69 during her witness project, she got a pixie cut and people thought she became unattractive and the added political messaging in her music turned off a lot of people. She hasn’t been able to fully recover since. Gaga and Rihanna aren’t the best examples. Rihanna stopped releasing music at her peak and moved on to other ventures. Gaga is still successful, but she definitely lost some momentum. Taylor is the only one who truly is able say she is in her prime.
@@ceruleanprince7139you're right, she went and still is full into politics, several posts and stories on IG attacking conservatives, she needs all the fans she can get yet goes full into politics, she got rid of half her fan base
Six (I think we need to include "Part of Me", even though it was on the "Deluxe" version. Kanye's "E.T." remix also came out after the original album's release). I think that the Universal Music Group CEO in 2013 (Steve Barnett) made this much clear in the lead up for "Witness". After Capitol/EMI merged into Universal following the farmer's bankruptcy, Barnett still noted that "Prism" was a priority for Capitol and, by extension, UMG. To be fair, I think even a reception akin to "Prism" would have been seen as a triumph of sorts. "Teenage Dream" was simply a "lightning in a bottle moment" that would be difficult to recapture again.
@@justforfunhaha69Except Rhianna has all but retired from music, I can’t remember the last song Gaga has come out with, and Taylor’s last album was a dud
After watching the VMAs performance, her music needs Bonnie McKee. Bonnie was involved in Katy’s smash hits and if you listen to Bonnie’s album Hot City... The delivery had that energy Katy used to exhibit before Witness.
wow, that's an exaggeration. 8 billion people on the planet, most don't listen to music in English. i'm pretty sure there are Bollywood stars that have made bigger comebacks in terms of number of fans.
Is this my favorite Katy Perry album? No. However, I won't lie and say I didn't like this album. The other two she has done before, I did not care for because she is not made to be some sort of a socially conscious pop artist. The main issue I have with the album release is the lineup for the singles. It would have been more talked about if she didn't put Woman's World on the album and let it be the first single.
One Of The Boys is Katy’s best album. Almost every song on it is memorable. I was amazing fangirl of Katy in that era and her unreleased songs for One of the boys are really good lyrically. I don’t know why she didn’t lean more into the pop/rock original music after Teenage Dream. Like be happy you had this incredible album in Teenage dream but I feel like she has kept trying to replicate that success instead of staying true to her roots.
It just upsets me thinking about how good this comeback COULD’VE been. She had all the materials for a skyrocket. We could’ve been saying this is her return to pop. The theme and visuals are crazy. ALL she had to do was work with ANYONE else, get with Bonnie Mckee, and just put SOME soul into the record. It didn’t even have to be monumental. This fumble will be studied for years.
The whole political purposeful pop bs was never authentic to her. She just doesn't come off as someone who has an interesting perspective to share when it comes to social or political issues, her strengths were always in her more fun and mischiveous songs like I Kissed A Girl. In fact, the only songs I've heard from her that I actually felt some emotional depth are Thinking of You and The One That Got Away. It was ironic that she was the one making Chained to The Rythym, a song about pop music being a drug to numb us from the world, when she's the embodiment of that kind of pop music - and that's ok. It's ok to just be campy and fun, Sabrina Carpenter's newest album proves that, she kinda reminds me of Katy Perry from One of The Boys and I could totally picture her singing something like Ur So Gay (that song would get her so cancelled if it came out today, still funny tho lol) or Hot n' Cold. Even if songs like Peacock aren't exactly groundbreaking, they were still funny and had some personality.
Katy having the audacity to call Mariah Carey a throwback act is so hilarious to me. She doesn't have a fraction of Mariah's career and is now irrelevant in every way. Meanwhile, Mariah goes number one every year and is as relevant as ever. Also, she has shaded Britney and Taylor so many times, which shows how genuinely problematic she is. It’s not just an act; she really seems delusional and doesn't show respect to people who paved the way for numerous artists including herself...
At least Witness and Smile had some gems like Harleys in Hawai or Chained to the Rhythm, but 143? Lazy and hampered by the controversies. Katy can't hold a candle to Mariah btw
Madonna actually had two comebacks - the first was mid-90's Betime Stories - which not only contains some great Pop/RMB/Electronica, but it also contains one of her biggest #1's, Take A Bow. Confessions on a Dance Floor was her second come back - but I really think it might not count, because the only time people ACTUALLY wondered if she was over was after Erotica (of course, music she did otherwise around this time still charted well and even went #1, so perhaps that thought was stupid then too and really just the haters speaking loud). I really don't think people expected one weak album to sink Madonna, they figured another one would be around soon enough the right the ship since she had weathered worse before.
To be fair to the situation, there is a reason that people call "Confessions" one of her greatest triumphs. I *love* "American Life" and I think the political songs especially have tragically aged really, really well (which is a bit depressing to think about, honestly), but it was more than just a flop. She had to pull the original music video for the AL single because she and her family were receiving death threats. Even at the height of the "Erotica" backlash, her singles were still getting radio play. Many American stations vowed to never play her again during the backlash to "American Life", and some have actually kept that promise to this day. America is the only country in the world where "Confessions"'s biggest single, "Hung Up", didn't hit number one, and that is partly the reason why. She's done well for herself overall remaining relevant and keeping herself in the conversation as legacy pop royalty, but the only song since "4 Minutes" that's really made an impact on the radio was "Ghosttown" because it managed to chart well on the adult contemporary charts. Radio stations during her "Rebel Heart" era bragged about refusing to play her music. I think sometimes people really forget how much "American Life" hurt her, even though most people love the original uncensored music video and its razor sharp anti-war messaging now.
I only like a few songs off of Witness and Smile. But Katy's new music seems lazy. I mean, Doja Cat had a hit with "Say So" despite working with Dr. Luke. But put aside the situation with Dr. Luke. Katy's new songs sound terrible! Again, it just seems lazy. Like she was rushing to put out an album. And being away too long by doing American Idol did not help.
The excuse for many of the new artist working with Dr.Luke is they are "new", many of them don't have a lot of choice. In Doja's case, she signed a contract w Dr.Luke before the Kesha scandal broke out so she was kinda obligated to work with him. Doja stopped working with Dr.Luke on her latest album... While Katy actively choose to work with him. Katy is seasoned, she has the option to work with other producer.
@@criminalmindsgirl2936 dr p*ke Is nowhere near hot pink nor did he produce Say So. He only produced Need To Know from Planet Her. And Doja doesnt even want to work w him..She was forced for that One Song. Hes nowhere on Scarlet either.
Her music has sounded soulless and bland to me since Roar. She had enough of a alternative edge in her first two albums that made her then fun personality show, plus most of the hooks were razor sharp. Even on ballads like The One That Got Away
I HATED ROAR and felt so gaslit when it got almost Teenage Dream level success. You want me to believe that TD’s “As you shoot across the sky, baby you’re a firework” is the same as “you’re gonna hear me ro-o-o-ar, oh wo oh oh oh oh”
@@MoMo-rx4zragree, I was like 10 and obsessed with Katy perry when roar came out and even then I didn't like it as much as her other songs, I thought it sounded boring but I couldn't figure out why. Now I actively despise it lol
I love one of the boys so much! It's Katy's best album in my opinion since it's poprock: she shines in this area the most with her voice. The album also had a lot to offer since it was campy like Hot n Cold but not in a bad way. I really like her songwriting on that album too, she has even written songs on her own on One of the boys.
P!nk is a legend 😭 I might be biased cause her music got me through the hardest days of my teenage, but Katy's music doesn't have that unique effect. She's good for throwbacks but her old music / messages are outdated. So in a way Katy is forgettable but Pink isn't.
Controversy aside and being a lamb I'd say songs like Lifetimes is okay I'm his He's mine is great And Gorgeous is also great But the rest are forgettable.
It's obvious that Bonnie McKee is the reason why her music doesn't hit the same. If you listen to the Hot City, you can tell that she was the backbone behind her hits NOT Dr Luke
I have seen many people talk about this album but you have summed up perfectly. "Dead upon arrival" Like damn....but as a Katy Perry superfan, I couldn't agree more.
I think the worst part of all this is that songs got leaked that were apparently going to be the next album which got scrapped which was a return to pop rock… and she did this instead
I feel like Katy Perry is making music for what she thinks people will like or what she thinks would be a hit. She doesn’t have that care free spirit in her music anymore.
Katy, Gaga and Kesha were the girls back in the late 2000’s and 2010’s! Lady Gaga was the creative and wacky ideas and has her controversial moments. But nowadays we consider her an icon. I haven’t listened much to Kesha in a while but she’s doing great and definitely has bangers! Now with Katy, she was EVERYWHERE along with the other girls. But I think with Witness, she was trying to be a little serious. It’s not that it’s a bad thing to want to be serious and talk about things but I don’t she has anything to say. Like what does this Katy Perry have to say?? From Roar that was released way back in 2014 to a whole decade later what does this Katy want to tell us? She should’ve released I’m his, he’s mine first. In my opinion. I haven’t listened to the able yet but it’s a shame she a gone so far down. I think she’s missing her spark. What made Katy special was her passion and the fire she had. I hope she goes back to drawing board and maybe get rid of Dr Luke. She’s stuck in 2014 with a mix of 2017… it’s KATY PERRY!! She made some of the list iconic songs of the 2010’s. With Dark Horse, Teenage Dream, California Girls and many others. She wants to make a hit and she’s trying too hard to fit in. She should maybe revert back to the pop rock sound.
The album sounded like it would be on a debut artist ep or first album . Like the songs didn’t sound like Katy . the songs sound like they would be sung by any other popstar who would release it as a single just for radio play and commercial play . The album didn’t seem like any evolution it just sounded like she was trying to hard to cater to the young kids and keep up with the new pop girls
She was born at the right time lol. At her peak, from the late 2000s to early 2010s, she was definitely one of the "it" girls of pop. Her music never really seemed to change though. And I don't think her being a mean person has anything to do with her fallout because plenty of the pop girlies are just as controversial if not more, yet they are more successful than ever. I think it's more of a talent thing. She never changed with the times.
Yeah, I also think there’s something lame about being 40 years old with lyrics that sound like they were written for you at 21. There should be so much more you have to say about life by now
Micheal Jackson, Janet Jackson, Madonna, Mariah Carey, Beyoncé, Prince were artist that continued to push the boundaries & evolved as artist. Katy Perry has so much potential to be a better artist but continues to make the most bland & generic sounding music.
Its a failure.. And I call fear.. She lost a lot of ground with Witness and Smile, and desperately wanted to remind us of what made her huge..her Teenager Dream.. Which in itself is another reason why it failed...this album reminds me of the loser lover you dumped and said lover trying all of his/her old tricks to win you back.. it's about moving forward in life, and not looking back..
To paraphrase one of my favorite movies (The Fly), "Katy Perry's an adult who dreamt she was a teen and loved it, but now the dream is over, and the adult is awake."
143 i liked from the first listening session. Smile and witness I’m liking more and more as time goes on. I think if you think away all the controversy with all 3 albums they’re actually really great.
@@lucus55 well everyone's opinions are different. I just liked it because I actually don't mind basic lyrics at times or anything of that sort as long as I can enjoy the song. Even if it's a disasterpiece
I think Katy would be great if she had more records that were more R&B influenced pop… like Harleys in Hawaii. It’s something you don’t get from her too often and it still suits.
Tbh I really didn’t like how you said “even though he was found not guilty” as if that excuses his actions? The judge literally said he was making the best “business decision” as if she was his property. Felt like a huge side step of the sexual violence that occurred and how most rape cases end up regardless of evidence. You even said “there must be be some gems to justify her working with him” it was a jarring reminder that r*pe and violence against women can be excused as long as people get a bop out of it. Wow.
Honestly, this felt like a TikTok album where Katy hoped the chorus and features would carry the songs, in some cases yeah okay but I don't see me personally going back.
We’re writing her off too quick. Mentions of Madonna, Mariah and Cher’s triumphant comebacks, they had 2 decades of a career behind them, and Cher 4 or 5 decades of a career. I’m not keen on her new stuff, but she’s creative and talented enough with global recognition that it’ll only take 1 hit for her to be celebrated again.
Thank you, finally someone else who feels the way I do. 143 is a bad album, but not for the reasons you’d think. Everyone on Twitter and TikTok is saying it’s an absolute garbage album and the worst of the year. And it’s not, but it’s also not the best album either. The album has a few standout moments that I could see doing well on social media or radio but as a whole it just feels lifeless and lacks Katy’s personality. Katy is trying to recapture lightning in a bottle and isn’t quite making the mark. I know a fair amount of the negativity stems from her working with Dr. Luke and rightfully so. But I’d have to imagine that even if he wasn’t on the album it still wouldn’t have performed as well as it could have. I don’t see the album having a lot of longevity.
@@sabrinarodrigues629 Lmao I at least want to see where it lands on the charts next week before I start saying it’s dead. But it all but has one foot in the grave
You’re trying to say the album is basically full of demo singles that could be reworked a bit more to have a hit. Which has been the case of her last 3 albums
I'm actually mad at whomever thought this would be it. Even the album title feels disconnected and just.. random. This is a weird and super bland road to go. Her performance at the vmas was pinnacle.. she was flying, jumping, dancing, it feels she is ready and all about, it still feels she has something to say and tell, she is in her vocal prime.. where is all of this? It's not reflected on the album. She is so much more than a stretched out repetitive bridge for a social media snippet. This album captures nothing more than certain vibes that are trendy, it seems. And it fails to naturally come across as any of it. She still radiates, probably more than ever. At least thats what she's saying.. and i truly believe her. There is a certain hunger. Her voice is distinctive and epic, her attitude is bright and quirky, she has this authentic more sexy alter ego, plenty to work with (next time)!
When Swish Swish came out, her It Girl status was stripped away from her. Honestly, that's a term for me. Like when Camilla released "I Love It" that was her Swish Swish.
Katy Perry has become self aware that she is "Katy Perry" and she is trying to become "Katy Perry" but the reason she was successful to begin with was because she didn't try to become anything she just was. Now it feels like a parody of who she used to be
