I work right next to that end of the runway... I walked up one of the embankments this morning, was a beautiful morning, a very steep walk, , a stone-throw from the impact position, and said a prayer for those who were traumatised, or who lost their lives ...🙏 I could see where it happened from up there.. I see planes taking off and landing right over my head, our building shakes and rumbles every time .... Those embankments are easily a 45° gradient , that was why the fuel ran down so quickly away from the plane.. thankfully, for all those who survived the crash, and all of those Service people who were there to help... Great documentary
My grandad was a Nottinghamshire firefighter and was called out to this event. He was the engine driver, and whilst he hasn’t ever told me about what he saw, I respect his decision not to discuss it. What things awful he must have seen.
I don't think so. I would have assumed in a modern airplane the instruments tell the pilots which of two engines are damaged - so did obviously around 100 passengers and the cabin crew. Sometimes majorities can be wrong and important designs beyond stupid. The easiest way is to install little PC sized cameras to "deliver" the image plus other information onto a video screen in the cockpit. But who am I to say that. Besides it would depend on "wiretapping" laws to make that legal while flying over different nations.
What I don't understand is some of these passengers said they saw flames coming out of the left engine, well why did they not tell the air crew. That could of saved a grave mistake, by the pilots.
Bystander effect and the false assurance that the pilots did the right thing. As mentioned, the vibrations got better and the flames stopped once they went into descend.
I think it's just sad that no more than 124 people knew that the wrong engine had been shut down, and no one did anything because they assumed that pilots know what they are doing don't make mistakes. As a result of this assumption, 47 people died, and others were seriously injured, some with life altering injuries such as the Captain, who broke his back.
Wait you were a passenger there? If so oh my god, it just hurts to think what you might feel if you ever drove down that section of the M1 again... hey I was here in a plane once...
Even the cockpit lay out is not Human Centric. Research with Iris scanning has shown that Airbus pilots scan their instruments better than B737 pilots.
If I'd been unlucky enough to be a passenger and I'd seen engine flames from the window I'd have been banging on the captain's door or made one of the Cain crew to inform him - although I'm sure the commentator said that the four of them knew. It was their job to inform the pilot he'd shut off the wrong engine and yet they did nothing, yet all those innocent passengers died in a horrific way. Absolutely disgusting.
Rubbish: The Concorde was a completely different situation. Even if they could see the engine in real-time: There was nothing they could do: Take-off speed, V1 & Rotate point had long passed. They were committed to doing their best: But the aircraft was doomed. Do you really believe watching a TV screen in the cockpit would have saved that incident? Amongst the myriad of other inputs and instruments, they have to monitor? Sloppy runway maintenance caused the Concorde crash: Don't blame the plane or the pilots. Issues with the tyres were well known: The Golden Rule was: No debris on the runway. EVER. Someone forgot.
I agree...but hey...shouldn't their instruments tell them that? Poor training I'd say: Did a course and yet no-one mentioned the air change input from right to left engine on that model. And why didn't the perfectly adequate instruments inform them that the thrust from Engine 2 was normal?... i.e. NOT on fire....after all, the fire is fuelled by the fuel..... If there is a fire, the fuel is not reaching the engine so thrust must be reduced... No?
It's a good thing they decided not to put external cameras on jetliners, in order to view the engines in case of fire. That will save the airlines a few thousand dollars per aircraft, which could, in turn, raise prices by 50 cents (or maybe a dollar) per airline ticket. It's worth the risk to human life, if you ask me.
I would have assumed in a modern airplane the instruments tell the pilots which of two engines are damaged or faulty - so did obviously around 100 passengers (those who could see it) and the cabin crew. Sometimes majorities can be wrong and modern designs beyond stupid. The easiest way is to install little PC sized cameras to "deliver" the images plus other information onto a video screen in the cockpit. But who am I to say that.
In order to restart a jet engine, you have to be within a "flight envelope" which means the plane has to be at a certain range of altitude and airspeed to successfully get an engine to light up. Unfortunately, they were too low and their airspeed was also too low to get it going again. Usually between 15,000-10,000 feet would be an ideal altiitude to restart
@@barefooboy17 Thanks for the info. You're talking about ideal conditions. That is, ideal for a restart. But this wasn't ideal! It was do or die! They tried to restart, but it failed. A jet engine can start up on the ground. (otherwise you couldn't take off! Duh). So what was the problem? The airspeed was 150 mph. That ought to be fast enough to get the fan turning? Shutting down the wrong engine wouldn't have mattered if they could have restarted it. No-one would have even noticed. Or died. It seems very odd to me.
@@daviniarobbins9298 Really. I'm not sure. But they can certainly be re-started in flight, as was demonstrated by the Jumbo jet that experienced a loss of all 4 engines due to volcanic dust, & were all re-started. Thankfully!
The B737 is a cheap cash cow for the companies but is in fact a big hoax of which the design goes back to the early '50ths. (The predecessor of the 707 was intended as Air Refueling Tanker) It is ridiculous that even after 5 generations the run away trim stab problem even exisists. (!!!!!) That one loses the Yaw Damper when switching to Aux Power is too crazy for words. Non B737 is flyable without Yaw Damper. (An eventual catastrophic) Dutch Roll is inevatable. (After 3 rewingings???) In the US up to 80 Trim Stab Run Aways/yr (!!!!) and even 5-6 (!!!) Trim Stab Jack Screw Stucks a year. In modern standards the B737 is a betrayal to pilots.
I knew a ex RAF pilot (commercial) who reported the following to me. The Captain was TOLD by the steward (do you not think that this si so from seeing the video by the way?) who was gay that the No 1 engine had flames coming out of it, the Captain who was anti-gay roundly ignored his report which may have saved the disaster from happening. That is the one single probably homophobic fact that never comes out of the woodwork. I am not sure what point in the flight the report occurred and if it was on the CVR loop which overwrote itself I think after 20 mins...
2:39 is this a serious picture? I mean, that dude on the left is either 10 feet tall or the guy on right is like 2 feet tall. Do they make booster seats for pilots? How would he reach the floor, let alone the rudder pedals?
Some things don't add up here. In order to make a decision as to which engine to shut down ALL engine indications should be checked/scanned. There are numerous checklists for engine shut down depending on the infight situation, this crew where poorly trained by the looks of things. A differences course which would have been carried out here for this crew would have addressed the issues re the environmental system/s so the whole disaster was very poorly handled!
The precautions you mention were probably implemented as a result of this crash. This was 1989. I know there were many recommendations and regulations brought in as a result of this accident
One of the recommendations was that children should sit in their own seat and not on a mothers lap with a seat belt extension ,hasn't happened though has it.
The design of the instruments made it difficult and there wasn’t a crystal clear indication. Another know nothing talking about stuff you don’t understand.
Floods tears- was there as medic- off duty but lived close.sped up road to bridge. Haunted still as were/are many- blessings to all those who were there from Leicester derby nottingham ambulance AnE,police, and fire service- and the receiving staff back at the relative AnEs . Blessings to the survivors and relatives who were bereaved.
