Cinderella has way more agency than people give her credit for. She doesn’t wait around for a prince. The one time she defies her abusers, she happens to fall in love with a prince, and that happens to be her escape route. She never once dreamed for a prince.
When I was a little girl watching Cinderella, I couldn't care less about the prince, he was just "something" vaguely happening in the finale that didn't catch my attention at all... I was only fascinated by her character, the way she could still find beauty and kindness in that miserable life, the way she treated those animals around her, the super cute little mouses and everything... She was just dreaming of a night out with a beautiful dress, she wasn't thinking at all to be rescued by a man... The only thing I always found disturbing is that I so wanted her to wear the dress sewed by the little mouses (that sewing scene still makes me cry today), she didn't need that pompous dress from the fairy
So quick to jump into all the negative aspects of those movies, when they actually teach young people the value of compassion, generosity, resilience, and the meaning of standing one's ground. People are such a big pet peeve of mine for one of these reasons alone.
@@thaliarice3891 You're absolutely right about that, but I think that's more of a parent issue because we can't expect kids to understand complex concepts like justice, bravery, love, loyalty etc portrayed in these movies and thus they pick up on simpler things like being a princess, having beautiful hair or having a gown but if a parent was to get involved with his child while watching these movies or maybe not watching but just talking about the movie with them, it can be of a great difference. I didn't really watch Cinderella but I had a book that I used to read again and again, which I suppose is a much better way to understand the essence of the story then the movie, but I understand no kids gonna read a book.
I never saw Cinderella as her waiting for a rich man to rescue her. She was being persecuted by her stepmother and yet she still stayed strong, she was determined she was getting to that ball and it proved that if you stick with your dreams magic can still happen. Little Mermaid broke all the rules for what she wanted. She was a tough girl/fish. I think they are both great role models for little girls personally
@@Korcsmaros but Cinderella also saved Prince from marrying dull, typically dressed woman who just wants his money. And in that time, divorce wasn't an option.
Cinderella is not a bad or weak character. She is hardworking, brave, and kind, despite being abused and going through loss. She goes after her dreams. She is a beacon of compassion. Ariel is adventurous, daring, and a fighter. She brought two worlds at odds with each other together. These are great films for kids.
The Original is JUST as good. Cinderella never went to that ball hoping a man would save her. She went to the ball to have some fun because her life at home was severely restricted. It just so happen that she met a man at the ball - they clicked and he just happened to be a fabulously wealthy prince. He was a very minor part in Cinderella's story imo
interesting. The Cinderella movie does revolve on the love of a man, that is a fact, and so does Ariel's movie, that's just a fact. every movie has conflict but the final goal was to b w a man.
Nataly Nunez i wouldn’t say that cinderella’s does. the fact that she meets with the prince is pure coincidence and she didn’t ever intend to see him. she shouldn’t be brought down as a character just because she happens to fall in love- it was never her main goal, anyway.
I think people miss the moral of cinderella. It's not about her waiting for Prince charming. She didn't wait for him, she was locked in the attic. It was about her believing in herself that she was enough. Marrying the Prince was just an added bonus.
Maybe they should focus on instilling values in their children, rather than just straight out banning things. Kinda shows they have little confidence in their children to come to their own conclusions about what’s right and wrong.
-I love the little mermaid, she is strong-willed and doesn't let people tell her who or what to like. Such an adventurous and lively woman and so compassionate! Humans (pirates) killed her mom and even though it brough so much heartache she was able to see the good in humanity and all that we have to offer, she even fell in love with a human. Yes she gave up her voice but it wasn't just for a man, it was for love.
Cinderella teaches unconditional kindness, to be kind even when everyone around you is cruel, her stepmother and sisters were mean to her but she was kind to animal (i.e, if your boss is mean to you ,so you be mean to your subordinates .) ..watch video on screen prism about Cinderella.. they have a very nice perspective.
I remember watching Cinderella and just being in awe at how amazing she was and her strength to be in this abusive family and treated like nothing and rising above that and realizing her self worth and finding true love... so yeah. I mean you can get different messages from any movie....idk about kiera not letting her daughter watch for those reasons but it's her kid I guess :/
raji kasireddy I grew up in an abusive adopted family, my mom made would make fun of me and call me Cinderstella when she made me clean so Cinderella was definitely an inspirational and as a kid helped me avoid suicide in hope of a happily ever after
Saying that Cinderella should rescue herself is basically saying that victims of abuse are weak and don't make an effort to get out of their awful lives. Also, Cinderella does not wait around for a rich guy to rescue her, she escapes the room that her step-mother has trapped her in on her own merits, by using her own resources and with no help from the Prince
TelcontarRulz but she also works to save herself. she’s the one trying to unlock the door in the first place.. just because she eventually gets help doesn’t mean she’s weak, anyway. and even if it did, having some help from mice (some of whom are female) is way better than the ‘waiting for a rich hot prince to save her’ thing that everyone says happened in the film. 🙏
petrikovler She only made an effort after meeting the prince. Before, she had resigned herself to her life. Even when the house was empty and her stepmother and sisters had left for the ball, she just cried instead of taking all the valuables and leaving. The common theme between Cinderella and Ariel is that they are both spurred into action by a man and they only do so because of romantic interest in a man. Whereas a character like Mulan acts because she has other aspirations, saving her father’s life being one of them, and also finding herself.
@@TelcontarRulz Even if what you say is true about the subjective "common theme" of Cinderella and Little Mermaid is true and that they are only spurred to action by romantic attraction, so what? Not all women are or need to be Mulan. Many of women are perfectly content being Cinderella. And before you say, "Oh but there are so many more Cinderella movies where women base themselves around their attraction to men." Yes, because that's where we came from. I'm sure Disney will make plenty more movies akin to Mulan where the princesses don't need no man.
I don't think she got the stories right... Cinderella was not waiting for the prince to rescue her, in fact she is the one who goes to the ball anyway and she is the one who escapes when the stepmother closes her inside and despite the abuses she suffers she is still brave and kind. She is a SURVIVOR! And The little mermaid..come on! There is LITERALLY a song about wanting to walk and be in the sun in the movie! That's her dream, she collected stuff for years! The prince is just a nice bonus ;)
They went there voluntarily. As she doesn't become the wife of a prince. She becomes a princess, with actual powers. She is the one who decides the fate of her family
Mallory Turner that’s not what cinderella or the prince wanted it to be, though. the prince was actually fed up with his father trying to force him to fall in love, and didn’t want to be at the ball in the first place. cinderella literally only wanted to go to have one night of peace. they fell in love with each other because they had a natural bond, not because they were specifically seeking out love and chose to marry the first person they laid eyes on. you know who did go to the ball to be on display for the prince?? the evil stepsisters.
Ariel gave up her voice because she wanted to be a human and was in love.. would you rather if she stayed in the sea and was miserable for the rest of her life?
Cinderella didn't wait around for the prince to rescue her, the mice helped her escape because she was kind to them and they wanted her to get out of her abusive household. Ariel didn't give up her voice for a man, she dreamed about being on land and saving the prince then falling for him just made her push herself to TRADE her voice for legs so she could finally be on land.
This is the same woman who played Elizabeth Swann, a damsel in distress, in Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean lol. Also she played hard to get in Love Actually. The point is that they're animations and kids want to believe in fantasy.
The irony is that feminism is supposed to be about giving women the *freedom* to do what they want, not *dictating* to them what they can and cannot do.
Exactly!!!! If I want to wait for a prince that's within my rights!!! This girl just got lucky folks in HOllyweird thought she could sell tickets so they gave her a BUNCH of money so she doesn't have to work ever!
Are you serious? The world is full of media that implying women to be passive, waiting for men. What keira doing is just make a small barrier for her daughter.
한아름 agreeing with tyler here- neither of the movies keira was talking about support that ideal. ariel was in fact considered to be the first ‘active’ princess for going off on her own to become human, and cinderella proves that she’s strong by standing up to her abusers while also finding a way to stay kind her whole life.
I’d love a man to show up on a talk show and say “men, don’t save the woman tell her to save herself”. These people think they’re being so progressive. They’re actually creating a huge divide.
This woman hasn't seen a Disney movie in a long time and it shows. People who constantly make Cinderella out to be this pinnacle of anti-feminism are basically saying the abusive situation she was put in against her will since she was a CHILD was her fault and she was weak for not solving it on her own a long time ago. Her simplifying the characters circumstances in such a way speaks to a broader issue and she outta sit down and watch the movie all the way through herself. She thought she was being so progressive too. Peak ignorance.
Yes You're right. I grew up watching them and never ever focused on the stuff she mentioned. Cinderella taught me to dream big and that everything is possible no matter how big your dreams are and little mermaid taught me that u can make everyone fall in love with u without speaking, saying a word, it's your actions that matter. So maybe if she sat with her daughter and explained these cartoons actual meanings and morals- that way she would have a different outlook on them idk
Keira needs to watch these Disney movies again and open her eyes and go behind it. And who calls the choice of her daughters Halloween costume boring? Really? „Yeah support her in anything she wants to do?“
i mean to each his own but Cinderella is such a great film, I watched it a million times throughout my childhood and i ended up just fine lol as if a movie could define your whole life’s values and principles pelase..
Technically the little mermaid she gave her voice up because she wanted legs the guy was icing on the cake and she was being rebellious sooo not completely horrible lol. There was also alot of her saving him from drowning which I think it was one of the first princess movies you see a princess rescuing the man instead of sitting their watching him drown or waiting for a miracle she actually jumped in and saved him and went after the sea witch she didn't just sit on the side lol.
The way she side-eyed the American audience and put her drink down when they started chanting "chug chug" was the most British thing I've ever seen her do, lol. Awesome.
I’m with Cinderella. I’d marry a rich prince to escape abuse any day! The prince was kind, handsome and rich. Nothing wrong with he and Cinderella falling in love.
Exactly she’s the one that wanted to go to the ball on her own, and then saw the prince and they fell in love and she left at midnight and HE is the one going after her. She didn’t wait around for him to save her.
i love Keira, but that she banned The little Mermaid... her idea is great, but at the end, Ariel gives up her voice mostly because of her dream (which is being finally a human), not just because of Eric. Well, I am not the mother of her child and it’s her decision obviously, I just wanted to tell you my opinion.
I just replied to another comment and it is kind of emblematic, though - there's a lot of room for discussion. In order to be with this guy, she does have to, in essence, change who she is, and losing her voice can be seen as a metaphor - even if it's not only "for the guy", it's in order to fit in, to be what she's always wanted to be (denying her very existence as what she was born as). I'm not saying it's one way or the other, but there is so much possibility for discussion. I love the little mermaid, and I watched it a million times as a child, but while the Disney version is definitely an improvement over the original, it can totally be seen as problematic. Other movies like Mulan or Pocahontas undeniably show a more assertive female lead😉
And also, the VILLAIN, Ursula, sings about how men don't care to hear women speak and she doesn't need her voice anyway. It's clearly addressed in the film.
ehm she is not transformed to monkey she cant be ,,still beautiful,, :D nobody actually. Beautifulness have no limits. But it can be your point of view : ,,Oh i still like how she looks,, that sounds more realistic :)
I'm just going to say this. Ariel did not give up her voice for a man, she also wanted to become human. She even stated in part of your world, "what would I pay to spend a day warm on the sand? " Cinderella was not rescued by some Prince. All she wanted was a new dress and to go to a party. The prince was just a bonus. In the end sje was saved by her animal friends. In my experience, my parents banned me from watching princess cartoons and that made me want to watch them even more. And lastly, she just gives the same generic response as to hate princesses
She's a great actress and also very pretty, but my God I didn't know someone could say something so dumb. I guess it's an example of what extreme feminists got wrong. They condemn everything related to femininity, traditional roles, homemaking etc. True feminism is about giving women the freedom to choose. But when she says such things, she implies that some women are better than others. I want to work and be independent but if a woman wants to stay at home to be a homemaker or wants to bag a rich man and be his trophy wife, that's none of your business. If they are both happy like this then live and let others live. Hypocrite.
She plays the roll of a woman who needs constant saving by men (Elizabeth Swan), but her daughter is not allowed to watch a movie because someone is waiting for a man? Talk about hypocrisy!
What!? Elizabeth swan was the opposite of what you just said! She learned to fight and saved the others just as much as they saved her. She made plans and fought dirty and did everything which WASNT expected of a woman in that time period. Elizabeth swan is amazing
Part two -- I grew up watching these movies and never thought that a man had to come rescue me. It's important to teach your own kids about reality vs. fiction too. (Even though most kids can figure this out themselves). There are more important things to protect your kids from -- like the advertising industry. All those ads young girls will see that send the message "you need makeup to look good" and "your body should look this way". Also girls are discouraged to go into fields like science and math, many times subconsciously . "oh that's for boys" etc. There's centuries of that kind of thinking that's ingrained in society. That's the kind of stuff to be focused on improving for girls, not "the little Mermaid" Keira even admitted she likes the movie! And she turned out just fine didn't she? Case and point!
I agree. I grew up watching these films and still watch them as an adult, but I didn’t wait for a man to rescue me. I agree with you on everything else as well. If young girls want to be scientist we should encourage them and also tell them not to pay attention to the toxicity of the media.
1. Putting it up like this, makes those movies seem more powerfull than the parents abilities to teach their kids the valuable things. 2. If i'm correct she played a woman who was saved and also waited several years alone for a cursed man who roamed the seas.
IsaacA192 but that was because they were working class, not because of their gender. If only men were oppressed for being working class that would be a valid point but,, women are too
So Ariel didn’t give her voice up for a man, she wanted adventure even before Eric. She fought for what she wanted even if her dad was not happy. She saves Eric so that’s amazing. Yes, Ursula used her but it’s through Ariel’s passion of adventure and discovery that she was so willing to give up her voice. The man was just a bonus!
I can't wait until her daughter goes to school and has no idea what other kids are talking about. Or until they watch the movies in school, and her daughter can finally form her own opinions on the movies. Depriving a child of classic Disney films is like depriving a teen of wifi.
I don't like the idea of banning movies, poems, books. We have a brain, let use it! We must have trust and let our children see or read, choose and not choosing for them. I think The Little Mermaid is about LOVE and passion, about giving, about making mistakes and being forgiven . It is not about giving up for a man (or for a woman), it is about choosing your way! Let's not robotize the human being. Not watching Disney is so sad!
Keira has admitted that a child, she always played around with toys and would make up different stories and scenarios. This fascination prompted her to become an actress so that she would take different roles as her dolls did.
LOOK, I've been watching classical disney movies like Cinderella and snow white since I was a child. But I have never ever took the film as just a story where princess is rescued by a prince or met a prince etc. I never even noticed or cared about the prince which baaarely appeared in the film. The film is much more than that. Babies and child dont care about the story. They care about the music, expression, art and the magical atmosphere that make them to float inside the film. Its these adults who are becoming blind on the true value of something by being too sensitive and extremely focused on one certain thing(women empowerment stuff) It is YOU who is making yourself only capable to think in that way. Look who is actually anti feminist now...🙄 Plus, all story are mainly focused on how the PRINCESS struggled in difficult circumstances so its not about marrying a prince. Meeting with a prince is just a tiney part of the story to sum up in a fairy tale manner lol. And I like it. It's cute. Like really, i feel bad for the children in this generation for not being able to experience and appreciate the magic walt disney used to give before... Story of nowaday's movies like Frozen and Moana seems more complicated and interesting than the simple story of classical movies like Cinderella, but i dont see or feel any magic and those excitement that legend artists created with hand drawing animation. It's not visually appealing anymore as they mainly focus on the Story... The faces of moana and frozen characters look almost the same.... I do like those films but it's sad how current Disney shifted entirely to 2D or 3D animation while forgetting the beauty of hand drawing animation. Anyway, I'm blessed to be raised up by watching classical Disney, especially cinderella! It's a shame how great actress like Kaira knightly don't understand the beauty of art! Thankyou Walt Disney for creating such a beautiful masterpiece!
This woman want her daughter live her mother dream and not make choices on her own by nnot installing values for her to make correct choices she sound controlling oops its hoolyweird
You can get glitter in your eye, that can be an even bigger problem if it gets lodged into your tear duct. As a witch myself, I like Keira Knightley and I think she said what she did out of ignorance, I must say it was hurtful to hear her say those things about witches. Dressing up as a witch for Halloween has had its controversy in the witch community but that's not what Keira Nightly was referring to and so that is a different issue.
That is a hypocritical of her! She watched those movies and was still able to grow into a confident, successful woman. Doesn't people realise they are fantasy stories?! Prince charming is as much a fictional character as a talking horse or a flying dragon! Or does thiseans she won't let her daughter ride horses because of that?!? Laughable. Maybe she should allow the same freedom she had growing up to her own daughter. And let me tell you, speaking as a parent, if you banned something in your house, guess what will be the first thing your child will do when he/she get a chance at a friend's house?? Hahahah
Uh, wasn't the POINT of The Little Mermaid that giving up her voice was a mistake? Didn't the prince first fall in love with Ariel when she saved *him*? Most kids understand Disney movies better than Kiera does ffs
Cinderalla, The Little Mermaid, or whatever cheesy movie someone watches is not the reason they become the person they are. Having two loving parents who give them good direction is %100 percent more important than a silly movie is to a stable childhood and life.
They are more than movies though, they have a deep cultural and mythological impact. Sad that people seem to get them wrong, parrot that misinterpertation and try to indoctrinate people from seeing them.
@@livealive7131 huh? if a character flips off someone, do you really think all children are going to imitate said character? especially if they have parents around to tell them "no, that's rude, not okay"
