@@boomshankah1123 I hear you. Unfortunately, I think the genie is out of the bottle on this one. I could be wrong, though. Wouldn't be the first time I was wrong.
INEOS project was about perfect drafting plus prototype shoes.. ..Kipchoge didn't look even tired afterwards and his true record 2.01:09 is actually greater in terms of performance.
Daniel do Nascimento will not run the Chicago marathon. OFFICIAL NOTE “Daniel had a small muscle injury 4 weeks ago and as a result he missed 3 weeks of training, but he is now back to training normally. That way, he wouldn't arrive in time with the ideal physical shape to run Chicago. We decided to abort the race and we are analyzing the options that are on the table until December and as soon as we have decided we will inform everyone, in the meantime Daniel continues to train hard and hard”.
@@threatened2024 Wonder if he's intentionally taking a high risk/high reward approach? Try to go harder than anyone thinks you should go for a marathon. Higher chance of blowing up, etc, but if everything lines up during that race, looks like it could be crazy
I still think he’s figuring out the marathon (which is crazy in many respects). He’s 23 too. I think if he can pace the first half right he’s got the record. Man’s on fire
I would argue that he's got the perfect game plan in the marathon, we've never seen anyone of his level throw down negative splits, compare it to kipchoges world record where he hit a wall after going out too fast, and Kiptum's race was much better paced
@joelmacinnes2391 it was slightly hilly and rainy London course as well, if you do look over the factors it's easy to realize his performance already being greatest in history.
The wind can be negated with pacers in front of you. There are quite a few runners that will go out incredibly fast and Kiptum can just sit on their tail and draft. At 13+ mph drafting starts to really matter.
Hopefully the weather conditions will be OK, pacers can get half way by around 61 minutes so he will just need to do an hour half marathon to break the WR
A wind may well be negated for the sheltered runner but not for the pacers, knock on effect of they either run slower or have to work harder to maintain the desired pace and pull aside earlier. You can't outrun the wind!
Fun fact: Chicago is not called the windy city because of wind (as in the weather), but because of being infamous for how fast rumours are spreading (like the wind).
I'm hoping Kiptum doesn't break the WR at Chicago so that the real show will be at the Olympics next year with Kiptum v Kipchoge in an epic race that finally breaks 2 hours! Edit: Kiptum destroyed the world record lol
While that would be amazing to witness, the Olympics don't allow pacers, therefore the pace will almost certainly be shy of world record tempo over the opening half marathon. Either way, the tactics and showdown between Kipchoge and Kiptum (if they do in fact race in Paris next year) will be legendary
@@yolandacroes5491 Paris is not that hot of a place and the Marathon usually starts at 7 AM for the same cooling reason. But yeah the tactics and no pacer rules, usually means that the Olympic marathon is a slow 2:06 thing or so.
Man what an animal! Also I’m excited to see Daniel do Nascimento race again! This is going to be an epic race! Mantz is in good shape too so it will be good to see how he performs back in the minor placings.
Yes, he is. After what has happened to most marathon athletes in East African, a lot of the new generation athletes don’t want to be pined to bad contracts like in the past. I’m happy for him and looking forward to seeing what he can achieve in the future!
It's neat watching how both their running forms are slightly different from each other. For example, Kiptum doesn't have as much knee lift compared to Eliod.
I think he’ll run a 2:01 but slightly faster than his previous record. I think he will wait to go nuts to challenge Kipchoge in the Olympics. It’ll give him the greater motivation to go insanely fast in the second half. Kipchoge is slowing down now in the second half like we saw in Berlin unless it was a planned positive split. I could see mucus coming out of his nose in the second half split which is an indicator of increased internal pressure physiologically.
Tired of hearing about Nasciemento’s supposedly great NYC run. Anyone who has run a marathon at a decent pace knows the difference between 32k and 42k is huge. I was trying for a BQ at the Mesa marathon in February. My pace at 20 miles had me finishing in 3:24. I finished in 3:37. That’s how badly I crashed during that supposed final kick. The fact that this guy was on WR pace at 20 miles means nothing, the last six is where the real racing begins.
Yeah exactly if you go out running 4.20 miles and drop out with almost a quarter of the race still to go you've just raced really poorly, there's nothing admirable about that
@@joelmacinnes2391 Yeah. Now don’t get me wrong, incredibly impressive to be able to run 20 miles at that pace, especially in NYC but don’t think we should be focusing on him as a dark horse contender. I think we should focus on runners who, you know, actually know how to finish races.
I was there it was 75 with 80% humidity... I think its awesome he went out bat out of hell for 20 miles thats amazing it makes the race fun and interesting and to have that sort of blind confidence to believe you could do that for the 26.2 in NYC is wonderful at least for a fan/spectator of the sport.
@molder2233 I mean yeah, I'll never run 20 miles or a half marathon at that pace, but if we're talking about elite athletes, plenty of them will so relatively speaking what he did wasn't that impressive
I CANNOT EXPRESS HOW EXCITED I AM TO SEE KELVIN RACE! and I will be running my first ever marathon next weekend in Toronto :) 2023 has been such an amazing unforgettable one! GO KELVIN! 💛💛💛💛
This will sound strange but the Marathon specifically and running in general tells us how the natural pain killers work in our bodies. These great runners do not just run for themselve. They run for us. Pain management is critical for us all. Can running prime the body to deal with pain? Dose running over one's life time help one deal with geratrix pain, the pain of child birth, dental procédures....? This is talked about on MicrobeTV.
Anyone know the name of the fictional book of a man trying to break two hours but literally dying near the finish line ? Probably 20-30 years ago when winning times were 2:08 plus. What was the realm of fiction has happened ( paced)
It is worth adding that Kiptum uses the same fuel as Kipchoge, which is Maurten gels and drink mixes. It plays a huge role in their respective performances.
Kipchoge, past his physical prime showed it was possible, Kiptum or anyone else from this generation and next can break the 2 hour barrier, especially with the leaps and bounds they're making in the supershoes
If he goes wr when the course record is only 2:03:45, that's even more insane. Admittedly not super entrenched in marathon history but I've never heard of anyone, ever, targeting Chicago to set a wr at. Seems llike it's always Berlin or London and if it's elsewhere that would seem to have to increase the level of difficulty. Seems crazy to me that a wr is even being discussed at chicago but that fact that someone is generating that conversation AND has the potential to do it is effin great. Seems like Kiptum going sub 2 is a matter of when not if which is ridiculous to think about. Obviously a monumental task and one that still is not in fact a given and won't come easy but the man is only 23. This is great for the sport.
@@rossfripp4503 unbelievable! so good for the sport. i heard Kiptum and Kipchoge will both be at the olympics next year. HOLY SHIT those two going head to head would be insane and the two fastest marathoners in history battling could very well be the race to go sub 2. this is awesome.
Chicago is known as the Windy City but not due to the wind. It is in fact the nickname given to Chicago due to it's "windy" politicians. That being said it looks like it will be windy day. Hopefully it doesn't impact the runners too much, I think Kiptum breaks the course record but not the WR. 2:01:16
Kipchoges greatness comes from the duration of time he dominated durning his prime vs his peers, I think that kiptum will break the world record, I also think that he is likely to be the first runner to race sub 2. Kiptum in just 2 races has the same number of career sub 2:02 races as kipchoge does over 2 decades of running. Kipchoge will always remain the goat even if Kiptum manages to run a better single race. For Kiptum to dethrone kipchoge he’ll have to prove that he can dominate the marathon over the next decade and win virtually 90% of his races over that period of time.
No matter how you assemble a very strong field, Kiptum will remain confident and relaxed knowing very well he has an advantage when it comes to the second half when he throws that negative split.. Boss it will be gone because he will not stop or tire
I think he’ll break the course record but given how Chicago doesn’t produce that many eye catching times (for a variety of reasons) I don’t think he’ll get that close to break 2:00.
Everyone still knows Bannister's name for breaking the 4 minute barrier almost 70 years later, I'm happy for kipchoge that even if he's beaten to a sub 2 marathon major and official WR, everyone will still know him as the first to do it. Looking forward to him and kiptum running for Kenya in the 2024 Olympics, if its not a 3rd win for kipchoge at age 39, it'd be a passing of the torch on the biggest athletics stage
@@joelmacinnes2391 I don’t understand why that sub-2 hour time in highly controlled non-competition conditions is spoken of in any serious conversation. There are literally a a handful of runners who can achieve it in those conditions.
I don’t understand why that sub-2 hour time in highly controlled conditions is spoken of in any serious conversation. There are literally a a handful of runners who can achieve it in those conditions.
I could never find any info on why the breaking 2 project started on a bridge. Wouldn't this 'disqualify' the course as it creates an elevation difference between the start and finish? Could anyone elaborate on this? Cheers!
Yes I understand that it was a non-official marathon to begin with. Still I don't get why you wouldn't want to at least get the elevation sorted, especially because it was about showing that sub2 is possible. Any thoughts?
obsession with WR needs to stop man. Every distance post is 'world record?' lets just hope he has a good run in line with previous. maintaining consistency is just as important. helps ward off negative speculations and helps build his brand.
